We've Fallen Down the Vtuber Rabbit Hole | Trash Taste #18
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- Hi, I'm the boy of the Sea Dog Variety and today I'm with Jesus the carpenter, man. He just built two chairs and Garnt, just Garnt. - Yeah, we're not, just Garnt. - Just Garnt. - Did you want something else? - Garnt, the guy who did not build two chairs. I'm just tired for no reason. - We've been building up our office, you can't see it, but yeah, there'll be some live streams at some time. - Did you build two chairs? - I did whatever, good white man. Watch the brown man do it. - Wow.

- I was just sitting in the corner on Twitter and I was like, you guys got this. - I remember when they were building the pyramids and there was that one guy in the corner on Twitter. - I was like the epitome of I'm helping.

- Yeah, you're helping. Moral support. - I was labeling things. - We should cut off that shit that we just spoke about. This is a very inefficient intro. All right, Garnt, what are we talking about today? - I don't know, what are we talking about today? Well, basically the only like new current topic I can think of is that- - At the time of recording, of course. - At the time of recording this is this week, Hololive English just got announced basically.

- Why are you laughing at that? Why is that funny, Jordan? - I don't know. It's just if anyone's gonna start this topic, it's gone. - Of course, of course. I've been following Hololive for a while. And this week, or maybe was it last week or this week that Hololive English got announced and everyone's had their debut. And then Twitter just exploded.

- I was in the Hololive community before. So I knew the usual suspects who would be talking about VTubers, but within the last week, like my entire feed has just been VTubers. And it's not just Hololive VTubers, fucking everyone's coming out as a VTuber now. - Everyone's turning into a VTuber. I don't know what it is. And I'm right there with you because-

It's like coming out about an addiction. 'Cause it's like, I'm sorry, but I have recently fallen into the VTuber hole myself. The hololive hole and I can't get out. - When you made that tweet, it was like the proud father.

who had just found out his son had like won the baseball game or something. That's how I felt reading that tweet. - I don't know, dad. I didn't feel like I was winning. - I'm glad though, 'cause we have a nice variation of opinions on the topic. 'Cause Garnt's been like the old boomer simp.

- The boomer simp of Hololive. - The boomer who's been simping since the first crumb of Hololive existed. Joey just got into it. And I feel like an alien who's just come to Earth for the first time and has just found out about a religion, who's like, "Wait, so you all just..."

believe in this book, just take it 100%. You'll just follow it, give your money to this book. - It is a religion at this point. - I'm the altar boy and he's the Pope. - I felt like I didn't get it before and now I feel like I must be like doing, like something is wrong with me. I'm like the only person who's just standing there being like, so everyone's into this.

- I was there with you, right? And then I don't even know how it even started. I think it's because I was just curious because this guy won't shut the fuck up. So I'm like, all right, all right, I'll give it a go. Like I've worked with VTubers in the past, right? Kizuna Ai, you know, I worked with her and stuff. So I'm like, all right, let me see. Let me see what the stream of variety is like. And I looked at one.

And then an hour passed. - And that's all it takes. - And then two hours passed and then three hours passed. And I said, oh no, I've fallen and I can't get up. - I've watched like a lot of the clips 'cause they come up my recommended. It's like someone, someone says the N word

- I think that's how it got viral in the first place. 'Cause how I fell into the hole was like, there would be some clip that someone had retweeted. - It was always the GTA one. There was like a compilation of them rhyming. - Just like, why is like these anime girls dropping the N-bomb? Like what is that about? What is that about? - I don't remember that episode of Madoka Magica.

And then after that, it would be like, they would drop like the F bomb and then they would just be like anime girls swearing. And then eventually I was like curious. And then I saw like one clip, it was one clip that got recommended to me. And it was one of the Hololive VTubers, Fubuki singing "Scatman".

And it's just this whole life girl like singing scat man. - That sounds pretty good. That sounds pretty funny. - It's adorable as fuck, right? And she does like a lot of covers and then it was one video, one video. And then after I watched that one video, YouTube recommended was like- - Allow us to introduce ourselves. - Yo, you like this shit? Yo, we got all this shit right here. What do you want? - YouTube recommendations very turned into like the back

- I was just like, you want more, right? I got some more for you. - The worst is when YouTube like autoplays a video you did not want to watch and then it will not stop recommending that channel. It's like, no, no, I never intended for this to happen. Stop, stop this right now. - Yeah, 'cause the difference between just watching that one channel and having YouTube recommend this entire just one channel, like with VTubers, it's watching one VTuber and then it's just a load of,

other clips on other different channels that just get recommended to you all at once. I don't know what it is about the algorithm, but I feel like if you just watch one, you're lost. - They kind of did it in a genius way because almost all of the Hololive members, they almost always collab with one another as well on different streams. So it's just perfectly built to just

once you've start with one, then you see that one person you're into collab with another one. You're like, oh, okay, let me check this one out. And then the tree branches just keep growing out until you're way too deep into it. - To explain what virtual YouTubers is. - I was gonna ask. - Let's first explain what virtual YouTubers is to an audience who, to some people who probably don't know what virtual YouTubers are. - In case you're watching this from 2012, let me explain. - Exactly. So to basically explain,

to put it in the simplest terms, it's basically real people who rigged themselves up with an anime avatar and they just make contents, whether it be streaming or YouTube content. Now it's more about live streaming. I would say like the first real big VTuber is Kizuna Ai, as you probably know or do not know. But now I feel like the content's grown so far away from what

the content was before with Kizuna leading the charge. 'Cause I feel like before it was all about making just like YouTube comments, not YouTube content. And now it's more like it's less scripted and it's more about live streaming stuff. And I actually prefer that. I don't know about you because I never really got into VTubers before Hololive came along and really kind of just,

took over the entire scene, right? - Yeah, I mean, there was a part of me that when, you know, before and after I did work with Kizuna Ai, like there was a part of, there was a time where I really did get into the YouTuber side of things as well because I found Kizuna Ai and then I found like some of the other big ones like Shiro and Kaguya Duna and stuff like that. And all of them are like really entertaining. There's a lot of really entertaining VTubers out there. But the problem is is that their content is just so confined.

Like an average Kizuna AI video is like three minutes long. It's really, really short, even though it's a daily upload. But now you have Hololive and Nijisanji and these other like big YouTube stream of YouTube, like organizations that stream for like two, three hours daily. So it's just constant, constant feed of content. - As somebody who doesn't really know anything about it, why is it...

not just virtual YouTuber-wise, have the name Hololive. What's up with that? - Okay, so Hololive is just an agency. - It's an agency. - Yeah, it's a VTuber agency. - Yeah, so they're basically an agency that have all these VTubers under this one roof. And it's more like a branding thing. - Right, right, that makes sense, right. You want your talent to be under your name. - It's like we all have our individual channels and then we have Trash Taste, which is not an agency, but that's,

kind of like the best way I can describe it. - It's like back in the day when YouTubers, there were different types of gaming YouTubers, but then a lot of the gaming YouTubers were under the machinima. - No, no, no, you're the most intense. - It's like that. Because there are other ones as well. There's Hololive, I think the two big ones are Hololive and Nijisanji. - Yeah, right now. - Yeah, right now. But there's also all these other tiny, tiny individual agencies as well that have a bunch of different VTubers under their umbrella. And yeah, it's just become like a branding now.

I guess to play devil's advocate, some people are probably gonna fucking bust a vein with me asking these questions. What did he ask? What stops it from just being more than a gimmick to you guys? - I mean, it is a gimmick. - Okay, the way I see it, it's just a new genre of content, right? Because there's just something about VTubers that they're not,

you don't see them as like real life streamers, even though there's someone behind the avatar, right? So there is someone operating it, but it's not, you don't view them as that person, but you don't also view them as a complete anime character as well. So it like fits in this little gray area. - It's kind of creepy. - The best way I can- - It's a little bit creepy when you say it like that. - No, the best way I can describe it, it's kind of like wrestling, right?

Where wrestling fans, they know that the people are like acting. They know wrestling's fake, but they still buy into it anyway. And it's basically wrestling waifu.

- Yeah, it's like, "Hall Live" is interesting because from the little that I've seen so far, the characters are really human. Like when you listen to them, yes, they're obviously playing and acting up this character and this entire law behind their character. But then every now and then the human part of them slips out a little bit. And that is kind of charming to watch because- - Oh, I can imagine. Yeah, I've seen clips of like, you know, stuff like that happening.

There's a bunch of stuff where they like, you know, break character for a second. - Yeah, so it's basically like the best of both worlds in my opinion. - So like, I don't feel like it's a gimmick 'cause the more I've gotten into it, the more I'm just like, man, I can't really get this kind of entertainment anywhere else. And that's why I've become so addicted to VTubers because I could never really get into live streams.

Like I know you've been really, really into live streamers and I appreciate the work they do. I've just never been a guy who could sit and watch live streams for hours. I've always been that guy. - Yeah, I don't really watch them for hours. It's mainly like- - It depends on the stream, all right? - It depends on the stream and what's happening. It's very much like, I'll see what they're up to. Maybe watch 10 minutes and then go and do something else. I don't really watch streams and sit there. I haven't really done that in years.

But I don't know, I used to, I don't know why I can't really get into it. Like I watched the clips, I find them funny, but I feel no desire at all to like follow them or interact with them further. - Do you think it's the language barrier for you?

- No, no, I don't think so. I think that's really, I mean, especially, I mean, there's English ones now and I checked out most of them 'cause I was like, well, I wanna see if there's one I like 'cause everyone's just like, well, no, no, no, you need to find one you like, but you don't like one, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. But I feel like that's what people would say about like, you should find a woman you like, you're not gay, you should find a woman you like. It's kind of like that. - Because there are like so many VTubers now that I'm pretty sure there's a VTuber for everyone

because that's how- - A little something for everyone. - A little something for everyone. But that's how you get into it, right? 'Cause a lot of the times, like with Joey, you didn't know why people got so into it. - I never understood it until I found the couple of VTubers where I'm like, okay, I can vibe with this person. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, 'cause for me, when Kizuna Ai blew up, I'm like, I respect the character and everything, but it just wasn't my kind of content. And I thought it was just a really cool concept.

But now, even if you have some certain VTubers that aren't your favorite, there's gonna be one that you're like, man, I didn't think I was a simp.

- But I think I'm about to simp, man. - I guess like this, I enjoy watching some, like who's the Iron Mouse on Twitch? I watched her a bunch, she's really funny. - Yeah, yeah, she's really good. - But like, I wouldn't like say I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna simp over them, you know what I mean? - No, no, no, simp's a strong word. - Yeah, simp is a strong word. - You can have fun and like- - I can watch their streams and enjoy them. But I see people on Twitter and they're like fucking, like it's like life or death to them.

- Yeah. - You got an email from someone, right? That one time that was like, you don't talk about that? - Yeah, I guess I got an email from someone who was like basically trying to get me to teach the VTuber etiquette to like people, to like English speaking fans who watch VTubers. - Right. - And I was just like, man,

- I ain't getting involved in this man. - What do you mean? Like they're not following etiquette or something? - I can just chat shit while Garnt pulls up the email if you want for a moment. - Okay, I guess I get it. Maybe they don't understand like the whole simping thing. - I guess, yeah. I guess like with Hololive, it's not that I don't necessarily like enjoy or anything. I do enjoy what I like. I guess I just, it's one of those things where when you don't feel nearly as strongly as other people do, it's kind of alienating.

- Oh yeah. - Because I want to enjoy it, but then I feel like, am I enjoying it right? Because everyone else seems to be so fucking aggressive about this. - Well, but that's the thing, right? Is that when I first started watching it and this was only like three or four days ago that I like fully started to get into it.

I just watched it like, just to check it out, right? Just like any other stream I would. And you know, you obviously miss all of these inside jokes that are within the community, but then the more you watch with them and the more clips you watch with them, you're like, okay, so that means that like, okay, I'm trying to, I'm slowly starting to understand like the general flow of how this particular VTube interacts with their audience. And I'm like, okay, I either can get into that or I can't get into that.

- Yeah, that's why they call it a rabbit hole, right? Because there's so much content out there that this hole that you fall into, there's no reaching the bottom. And the reason there's no reaching the bottom is because there is no way that one person can catch up with all the content out there right now.

Even if it's just like, even if you just follow Hololive Japan, even that there was so many VTubers that there's no way you can keep up with everything that's going on. - I mean, it's hard to catch up with just one VTuber, right? Because most of these VTubers are streaming three, four hours a day. - This sounds like a normal streamer though.

Like there's been jokes, they're streaming a lot. - But like what I found is that with the couple of VTubers that I have found, we've really enjoyed. They could literally be doing anything and they're just really entertaining. And that's really hard to find in any streamer like VTuber or not. - I don't know, that can name a few streamers off the top of my head. - Oh no, of course, of course. - Pure entertaining. - Yeah, of course. I know a few as well, but there's something, there's a different quality that a VTuber brings I feel that a live, like a live action streamer can't really.

- Live action. - 3D, a 3D streamer. - A disgusting 3D. - It's like the Netflix live action adaptation. - Yeah, exactly. I like the anime version. I don't dig the Netflix adaptation.

- I don't know, I don't want to say too much 'cause I think people would just be like, Connor just doesn't get it. So, but like, I don't know, to me at the moment at least, maybe next week I'll come on the podcast and I'll be like, gentlemen, I've changed my mind. - Oh yeah, of course. - What do you think about basically has your feed been like decimated by VTubers recently? 'Cause I mean, I think we're right on the cusp of it,

becoming mainstream in English audiences, right? - Yeah, because everyone's trying to be a VTuber. - I think the next few months will be crucial in determining whether it's gonna be a thing that sticks around or it'll be a phase of, you know. - Yeah, 'cause I remember like, I was very, very surprised when Pokimane came out with a VTuber avatar. And I know like Lily Pichu is about to debut her avatar, which probably will be debuted by the time this is out. - So funny, like debuting avatar.

Guys, I'm gonna release. - You gotta tune into the debut series. That's what it's all about. - That's the thing. - Okay, that is cool. I'll admit, that's kinda cool. - It's how to build up hype and it's part of like the law, which is why I feel like, which is why I feel like Hololive English really did this super well 'cause they debuted everyone at once. It became this massive event and everyone's talking about it now and everyone paid attention and now like all of Western Twitter and like Western streaming communities are taking like- - Anime fandoms really like are attacking. - I feel like it's even gone out of that.

- Yeah, I think it's out of that now. - Yeah, I've seen like plenty of tweets from a lot of big streamers who are like, "What's this VTuber thing about? "Should I get an avatar? "I'm thinking about getting an avatar." - It's mainstream internet then. - Yeah, I think so. I think just like the general, yeah, like the younger audience. - So when you're watching these YouTubers, the VTubers, sorry.

Do you not wanna like, 'cause to me, I find what's super interesting about streamers is the person and everything about them and the like what they choose to show. And perhaps maybe they have a really interesting like life before streaming. Like to me, I find the human aspect so,

And I think that's the reason why I connect so much more with documentaries than fiction. I think real life is just so fucking interesting because you can't make this shit up. Like the stuff that happens in real life is so much more insane than what happens in someone's like fiction world to me. And I wonder why you,

Like when you see a VTuber, like when I watch a VTuber, all I'm thinking is like, I wanna know what the real person's like. I wanna see, I wanna like talk to them. I wanna- - I think though that whole thing just isn't, it's completely covered by just their law as a character. And like how they present themselves as a character is just so entertaining that you almost forget, oh shit, there's a person behind this. - I guess it's why I could never really get into wrestling either. I never really cared about that.

- I never got into wrestling either, but I'm into VTubers for some reason. - I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's someone can explain it. Some fucking PhD in the comments as they always fucking do, could explain it to me. But I have no idea why I just can't connect with the avatars. I think again, like it's funny the way that like a clown dancing in front of me would make me laugh. I'm like, that's cool. - Here's the way I view it because the reason I got into VTubers, this modern day iteration of VTubers is because unlike like someone like Kizuna Ai, I saw,

completely as a character.

- I had no interest in Kizuna Ai. - Yeah, yeah, like I saw her completely as a character and what kind of drew me to Hololive YouTubers was that it felt like they did have a personality behind them. There was you- - There definitely is. I've seen it, right? - Yeah, because you have times where they talk about, you know, past stories about, you know, what they did as a kid in some aspects. - I've seen one of the Japanese ones always telling stories. I can't remember her name, the green hair one. I don't know what the fuck. - There's a million green hair ones.

I'll try and find it to the screen now. - But that's the thing, right? Is that the difference between the VTuber YouTubers versus the VTuber streamers is that almost all of the VTuber YouTubers were entirely scripted.

So it was very difficult. They were really controlled. Like they were controlled as to how much of themselves- - That's because Japanese companies. - No, but it's weird, right? Because the streamers are not scripted, right? Because it's a live stream. So they actually have a lot more flexibility in what they can show of how much of a person they are or how much of a character they are. Like I remember I saw recently there was a clip of one of the characters who, the lore of her character is that she's like in her teens.

But then the character or whoever's voice in the character slipped out a little bit being like, "Oh yeah, as a late 20 year old." And the people chat went like, "Late 20?"

You're in your teens, right? And she's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in my teens. Yeah, yeah, sorry. I didn't mean that." - Sorry, I'm a dumb teenager, sorry. - But then as the community was egging her on about like late twenties, she just completely just gave up and was like, "Yeah, I'm in my late twenties, fuck it." And she just rolled with it. And that side was like very human and it was very entertaining. - Which is why I feel like I was saying they exist in a place between being a character and being a human. It's this really weird place. - I'd argue that streamers do that there as well.

Like there's, I mean, like, not, not, I mean, I fucking love Tyler. - Yeah, but they ain't cute anime girls, are they? - I don't know, Tyler wants pretty cute. - I give him a poke. - Everyone knows I fucking love Tyler. I think Tyler is such a fucking amazing natural entertainer. And like, for example, the age thing, he's got the whole I'm six foot five and he has a whole fake ruler.

- Yeah. - He pulls out in the stream. He's just like, he's obviously like five foot. - Yeah. - But that's like the same kind of thing, right? It's almost WWE in that aspect. But he's obviously not that fucking insane in real life. No one can be. - Right. - You'd be fucking sectioned by now. - But like the only difference between that is a fucking cute anime girl in between that, right? - It's not a cute anime girl with a cute anime voice. - I guess to me, it's like almost,

how someone who's on camera constantly can keep up this act. - No, it is impressive. - It is super impressive. - I think live streamers are fucking psychopaths. I don't know. They have to be. - 'Cause you have that beautiful thing of like, when you have the Hololive, it's doing the work for you. You just gotta put the voice, which is easy. - I say that as a YouTube creator with total fucking respect that I have

- I have no idea how you guys fucking do that. - Oh yeah, it's insane. I don't know how, 'cause two hours of streaming and I start to like lose my energy. - Yeah, yeah. - How Tyler Wong can be screaming for 12 hours, I don't know. - I don't get it. - After I'm like streaming for two hours, two hours is like my limit. Anything past two hours, I'm like,

- I'm like running on empty. Whenever I stream, I press like the end stream button and I go on my couch and I collapse after two fucking hours. - It's really fucking tiring. And we all have friends that can do fucking eight, nine hour streams daily. And I'm just like, how, how do you do that shit? - I fucking left my stream on the other day when I thought I turned it off. - Really? - I left my house and then some people were tweeting me like, "Dude, yo, your stream's still on, bro." And I'm like, "What?" I checked and it was just on.

And then I looked at like the final 10 minutes before I left. And like, I go like, bye guys. You can guys go and see this. I don't know what they- - Hey, at least you didn't like Jack off on stream. - Could you imagine if I was just like done?

- Like that's just my thing when I'm done. - You just stand up and your dick's just flopping out. - God, I just hate that group of people that stream in. Okay, Tyler Wong become a VTuber dude. Just I'm saying it, that would be fucking insane. We need a VTuber that screams like Tyler Wong, bro.

- I mean, there's a lot of fucking Japanese. - You obviously have not seen some VTubers that fucking blow off your ears when they scream. - Dude, it's the muscles combined with it that just adds to the character building. That's the real thing. - I think you're just gay for Tyler. - I wanna fuck Tyler. - You just wanna simp Tyler, what? - I do. - You found who to simp before. - I'm a tier three sub, bro. - What is that? Apes together strong? - Apes together strong.

- I don't know, okay. And as well, like, I think there's a, I don't know if this is just me, right? But it's the reason why I can't like enjoy certain things. Okay, I wanna make this very clear before people get angry at me, 'cause I know people do. Like Connor doesn't like "Hollow Life", Connor hates all this stuff. I don't, I'm interested in other aspects and I think blindly just being like, yeah, I fucking love this thing is like fucking boring. We won't have a discussion here. - Yeah, of course.

- It's a Japanese company, right? Hololive. - Yeah. - Let's be honest. I'm pretty curious about that car. I wanna know what it is. - That contract? - I wanna know what that contract is like. 'Cause I guarantee that it is skewed towards the Japanese. - Oh yeah, it's probably like machinima quality, right? - I'm betting it's a machinima contract. - Yeah. - Like we're talking like,

- I would be genuinely surprised if they're getting, if the creator is getting 30% or more. If they were getting more than 20%, I would probably call bullshit. - Right. - I think they're getting anywhere between 20 and 10%. Again, this is just speculation.

- I just know Japanese- - It's a very big possibility. - 'Cause you've been approached by a Japanese YouTube agency before, right? - Many times, yeah. - And they were offering similar cuts, right? - Absolutely garbage. - What was the lowest one you've received? - The lowest one I received was 70, 30, but 70 to the company, 30 to me. - Yeah, that's how it is. But you were already established at that point, which is disgusting. - Yeah, it's ridiculous. I think I had like,

almost 2 million subs. It was not that long ago. It was sometime last year. - It's really rare for an, especially if you're an established talent, right? So this is the kind of numbers that you were probably getting pitched by a Japanese company who realized that you were established. Can you imagine when you're not established? Like what numbers they're gonna be pitching you? And I know, no one likes to do that, right? 'Cause it's like, just focus on the character, the entertainer, they're having fun, they like it.

when you're new, you don't know what's good. Like, you know, I've spoken to many YouTubers who I have personally like helped with deals who they were getting paid like $1,000 for like sponsorship. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - 10 times that, right? Just because they're happy with the deal doesn't make it okay. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm sure like- - Oh no, absolutely, yeah. - Like I wonder if,

Again, it could be a totally fair deal. I don't know. I'm just, I would like to know just cause it makes me worry. - Well, I guess this goes into like just the darker side of idol industry period. - Cause it's not only a Japanese company, it's a Japanese idol company. And we know that those sweats aren't good. And I can, I'm interested to see, we'll never find out, but I would love to know the rules that they're under. - Well, I don't know because I feel like

- I'd like to think it's modern. - Yeah, I would also like to think it's modern. - But it's a Japanese company. So on the other hand. - I mean, this is all speculation. So none of us know what kind of deal the talent has going on. - I could be completely fucking wrong and look like a complete cunt right now. I'll fully apologize for that if I am. But I'm just going off based off experience of what I know. - You're just playing devil's advocate right now. - Yeah, yeah.

I mean, go on, sorry. - Yeah, because it feels like to me, just part of the reason that Hololive rose up so much in the beginning was because compared to other, let's say, idol agencies and idol companies, part of it was that they just kind of let the girls do whatever the fuck they want with less restrictions. - Yeah. - I mean like part- - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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- Back to the video. - I almost wonder because you have to, if I correct me if I'm wrong, you have to audition for Hololive, right? - Yeah. - And I feel like when these positions in this company where it's like, you have to audition for us, they can kind of use that power to even then to force you to take a shitty deal. 'Cause it's like, oh yeah, it's 90, 10%, but what's 10% when you're a nobody? We can make you into somebody. - I mean, it's also the argument of if you're signing with the agency, you're gonna get so much power

- Right, right, right. - Because of how massive Hololive is. - Totally, totally. - Like with the English VTubers that just debuted, every one of them has like got over 100K subs just like before they even started streaming. And now they're pulling in like, I remember I was watching Morrie stream yesterday and she was pulling in like over like 30K.

concurrent viewers streaming. And you just don't get that starting out by yourself as an independent. That's something you grow over years. - It'd be interesting to see if that keeps up as well. But yeah, I agree. I mean, you could argue that, okay, even if they are getting a bad cut, well, they're getting a free career. So they should be happy with that. - And I'm sure as well with how powerful and like well-known Hololive is now in these agencies are, I'm sure that,

if they want to go into like say, a lot of them are like aspiring voice actors. A lot of them are like aspiring, like that kind of stuff. I'm sure getting into whole life is just a quick shortcut to getting to those kinds of jobs. - I'm totally open and happy if I'm wrong. I hope that it's an amazing fucking deal. 'Cause I mean, what is it like Asakura had the most, what was it? - She was like the highest earning super chat user in the world.

since debuting the article, I think she'd like earned over like 800 or $900,000. - Yeah, fuck. - Which is fucking insane. - And like, I hope most of that's going to her. Like she deserves that. Like if she's the one doing all the work for building this character, she deserves that money. I just, I'm hoping that they get that. - 'Cause the thing about especially Hololive talent is that everyone is extremely talented. Like they obviously can hold a stream really well, but a lot of them has,

other talents above that as well. - A lot of them do like a lot of like covers and stuff like that. A lot of them do like singing stuff and voice acting stuff. - That's fucking awesome. - Suisei is a fucking pro Tetris player or something. - Yeah, that's right. - Mori can like, she just released a song the other day that's just like fucking shit.

- I'm so proud of her. - God just like, God opened up his phone and just smiles at the lock screen. I'm so proud of you, honey.

- You have like the picture of the wall. - That has to move the picture of the fucking VTuber to get to Sydney. - It's like, oh yeah. - Like when Sydney walks in, fucking change the tab. It's Sydney, it's Sydney. Yeah, I mean, again, like I'm,

- I'm just trying to like sell them because I feel like I couldn't get the, I couldn't get why anyone would get into VTUOS until I got into VTUOS. And now it's really fucking entertaining. I really wanna talk about how the reason I'm so obsessed with them is because it's just a kind of entertainment I couldn't find anywhere else. - Oh yeah, I agree. It's definitely unique. - It's very unique. - Yeah, I guess 'cause like when I hear about it and all of it immediately my mind is like, I wanna know how this works. Like that's immediately what I wanna know.

I don't really have any interest in anything else. I'm like, this organization sounds so unique. Like I want to know how all this works. How do they, like, how do you decide? How do you decide the cuts? How do you decide what rules they have and whatnot? That's so interesting. - 'Cause I feel like that's why a lot of people got like mad at Pokimane when she debuted her VTuber. - That was so fucking dumb. - Which I think is fucking dumb that we're fucking gatekeeping people

putting an anime avatar themselves. Like, come on, come on guys. - Gay keeping is already fucking done. Let alone this kind of gay keeping. - I think what that stems from, right? Is the appeal of VTubers like Hololive is completely different from just a normal streamer putting an anime avatar above them. Because it's that character thing I talked about where people don't view these people as people, well they do, but they also don't view them as just a character as well.

I think there's also mainstream, mainstream live streaming was so mainstream, like turned into a mainstream especially with Fortnite, right? Like I feel like everyone fucking live streams now. You're not special, right? Cool, go and watch Fortnite, right? Like whatever. 'Cause isn't it something like, I think you told me this statistic, right? - Yeah, I heard from someone at Twitch, I don't know how accurate this is, but apparently if you average over 10 viewers on Twitch per stream, you're in the top 10% of Twitch.

- Jesus Christ. - I hope that's real. - Which is, if it's real, that's fucking crazy. - 'Cause every single console can live stream now. It's so fucking easy. - Any PC can stream. - It's so easy to like, it used to be like, you'd have a fucking beefy boy to get anything running and streaming, right? So I feel like it was almost, at least, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, right? That's what it felt like. It felt like this one thing that felt kind of unique in streaming was then just mainstreamified by the other people coming in.

- I mean, it's- - Those dirty IRL streamers coming in. - Those dirty normies coming into my circle, taking over my anime girls. Nah, nah, not today. - This is just like, I wish I could filter myself live, like in my photos,

But I can't, so how about I just make myself beautiful? - I'll just remake myself completely. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it, man. I'm lazy as fuck. I look ugly as fuck in half my streams, bro. I wanna- - I mean, hey man, I'm already prepared to enjoy a couple of VTuber streams when I get home tonight. So Joey, I gotta ask, who are your favorites? - All right, I'm gonna head out.

Okay, so the first one I checked out was Asakoka only because you fucking love her. - I love her. - And she's fucking great. I love her. But then I found Inugami Korone. - Oh, the best doggo. - The best doggo. - Oh, I've seen so many clips of her. - Dude, she's funny. - She's so fucking funny and she's so cute. - She's so cute. - She's so fucking cute. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - When I head pat her so bad. - Oh, the head patting.

- I do. I wanna head a baton. - I wanna reach into the screen so I can give her a head pat 'cause she's such a good fucking girl. - This is the only man I'll say.

- And then recently I also got into this other VTuber called Nekomata Korone. But I only love, she's got like the purple, she's a cat girl with purple hair, but I fucking love her because of her voice. She kind of has like a tomboyish voice. She kind of has like a Sawashiro Miyuki voice who I fucking like, you know, Celti's voice. She has that exact type of voice and I'm weak for that shit. - Wait, wait, wait. So if you can understand both English and Japanese fluent, which one?

- What do you mean? Like, oh, with features? - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, Japanese for sure. - Oh really? - Yeah. - How come? - Just 'cause, I don't know.

- I don't know, I'm a seiyuu fetish. - Sub is better than dub. - Even in YouTube. - Joey leaves to an English speaking country. God, it's just not the fucking seiyuu, just dub it, jeez. - Dub that shit in Japanese. - God, I can't believe they dubbed their own songs. Can you believe that shit? - Yeah, no, because I'm very much like a seiyuu. I have a seiyuu fetish, like a voice fetish.

- I do, I do. Like I love my fucking seiyuu's and if there's like one- - He's a seiyuu simp. - I'm a seiyuu simp. Like, you know, like anything that's voiced by like Sawashiro Miyuki or Hanazawa Kana, I just immediately fucking love because of the voice. And I feel with Vtubers it's kind of the same, but like-

But that's the thing though. I found a few Hololive Japanese streamers who I really like their voice, but their personality wasn't quite right for me. So it's just kind of finding that like perfect combination of voice and personality. And for me, the top two right now are Korone and Okayu. - Who should I watch to get into it? Who do you recommend I watch? I will watch it and I'll come back next week. - What kind of like content are you looking for? Because there's so much- - Is there a MILF VTuber? 'Cause he seems to be more probable.

- Do you like your MILFs? - 'Cause me and Joey were playing this fucking arcade game. It's so fucking cool. It's like you get to pilot a fucking mech. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's so fucking badass. And you have to pick your waifu who always talks to you when you tap your car. - There's like six different girls that you can choose from. - And like, dude, MILFs are always the hottest in anime, bro. - He picked the MILF and I picked the LOLI. - That's why you like Masterpiece, don't you? - So I lock in the beautiful older lady. Very nice, very nice. And I look around, Joe, which one are you?

- It's a fucking 10 year old. - And I'm just like, yeah. - And I'm like, oh my fucking God. - No, it's just a tundra lolly, bro. - Oh my God. - It's the best. - Oh my God. - Also Masterpiece is the best. - Yeah.

- We'll leave that for another episode. - Too many kid hentais out there. - But what do you enjoy in streamers, I should say? 'Cause it's not just about the characters. - Well, the monkey-ness, right? - Well, no, because I don't really enjoy watching XQC, but I love Tyler Wong. And I feel like they're so close in terms of the kind of energy they have. - I don't know. I definitely do think you're more into the kind of buff, like, "Yeah, let's go," kind of guys. You love Tyler Wong, Tectone's our boy.

- I feel like they're kind of in the same realm, right? Of like energy levels. - I love watching small streams. Like people with like four viewers. Because you always get the most like,

it's like you get to watch someone who's live streaming, who doesn't know how to live stream. And it's such an endearing way when you watch like a 10 year old playing Minecraft. And like they're talking to the chat as they've like learned from like Ninja, you know what I mean? So they're replicating a big streamers behavior, but like not quite right. And it's really like uncanny valley. - From the sound of that then, I don't think you can get into any whole life VTuber considering that they're all pretty fucking professional. - They're all big and they're all professionals. You might like some smaller like indie VTubers.

- Yeah, I saw a few of them that were like 2D and it was like 2D pieces moving and it was really jank. And I was like, oh, that's cute.

- They didn't have enough money for the 3D one, I guess. I don't know, I felt bad. - They just used like face rig and shit. - Yeah, it was like face rig, but it didn't work properly. I felt really bad and I'm like, oh man, but it's really endearing. I really love like watching viewers with like 20, 30 because they're kind of getting into the feel of it, but they're not quite there.

- Big streamers, yeah, Tyler1's definitely my favorite. Even if I didn't like League of Legends, I think I'd just love him. Back when he was doing a variety streams, he was amazing stuff. I think the life of Tyler1 is one of the best fucking- - Oh, you showed me that, yeah. - One of the best fucking YouTube videos out there. - That had to be one of the greatest streams

- I wish I was there. - I wish I saw that live. - I wish I was there. If you haven't watched this video, it's basically where he does like a whole movie. He reenacts it like a budget movie. - For live on stream. - That is like one of my favorite streams of all time. - That's the kind of streams I wanna do. I wanna do like events. Like kind of like, I wanna have a stream where it's like turn up, something dumb is gonna happen. Like please. I wanna do more of that. - 'Cause like the way I see VTubers is kind of like a variety TV for me.

'cause everyone's doing something different. Like one of my favorite streamers to watch because she just does some really random shit sometimes, just Akai Hato or like Hatchiman. And like what got me into her stuff is she's just like pure chaos and degeneracy into one. - That sounds good, I like that. - So this one time she was playing like "Get Over It" or something and like out of nowhere she just like smells her feet because...

'cause they like stink or something, right? And then through that, a meme started. And then what she did right after that, it's like one of the most cursed streams is that she asks her viewers to send in feet videos of just like people doing like the strangest things with feet. And then she reviews them. And it's just, it's just,

- Equally as hilarious and cursed. - I need to watch that. - That sounds disgusting, but really entertaining. - Yeah, yeah. And another one is that she starts reviewing her own lewds, right? So there's this- - Oh, like doujins of her? - Yeah, yeah. - Or like Rule 34s, right? - Yeah, like Rule 34s for her. So she has like several tiers of like lewdness and she has, she puts like this black bar filter over like the pictures so you can kind of see what's going on. And it's just the,

you're just watching an anime girl review her own ludes. And I'm just like, this is peak content. Why am I even trying? This is content you cannot find anywhere else. - That is like more meta than recreated. - Can you send me a link to this? I'll watch it and then maybe I'll come in next week and I'll be like, I want to take all my opinions back. - Yeah. - It's just like entertaining. It's just stuff that real,

streamers can't get away with. And then obviously you got like people who are just really good at video games with an anime avatar. - But then there are some that are just fucking horrible at video games and they just make it so fucking entertaining because it takes them like six hours to complete one level. And they just constantly, they're just trying. They're really just trying and struggling. And that shit is just cute to watch.

- Fair enough, okay, man. - Yeah, I'll give it a shot. I mean, I do wanna preface again, 'cause I know some people are gonna be so fucking salty. I don't wanna, I don't hate VTubers. - He just doesn't understand. - I haven't gotten into it yet. And I would like to play devil's advocate. - I was exactly like this last week. - Because if it's just the three of us talking our own dicks and agreeing on something, it's not gonna be a very fun podcast.

I hate podcasts where they're like, "Yeah, you've got a point. I agree. I agree." And then Joe's like, "I also agree." - And then they nod their head for two minutes. - I can't fucking stand it. - I don't know. I just feel like VTuber content is the natural progression to anyone who really got into the waifu culture. Like we, like us, like you less so. - I mean, I've gotten into it, but I guess I wonder why I haven't gone off the deep end yet.

- I mean, I would say you never went stepped in yet. - I mean, I would say you never went into the deep end with the waifu culture. You just kind of like, you kind of appreciate it. - To me, to me. - Who's your best girl? Who's your waifu corner?

- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - We're putting you on the spot. - That's it. - No, because this is, you can't do, that's a loaded question. - If you can't answer within five seconds, then you don't have a waifu. - That's like saying, what's your favorite genocide? There's no waifu. Someone's gonna be angry. - That's the point of waifus, man. You can't please anyone. - I can immediately answer that question. - Right now, she's Uhara. - Okay. - Because she's a goat, man. - Yeah, she is. - Because I,

- For some reason, I like the whole rent a girlfriend thing sounds so fucking fun. I would love to do that job. That sounds fun. I would love to be in a situation to test my acting skills to be someone else's like to meet their grandma and have to write. That sounds like fun. Does that make me psychotic?

- A little bit. - I mean, that's kind of what you do on your YouTube channel. - Basically. - Yeah, I mean, you just did an entire fucking series where you do just get a bunch of- - Well, that wasn't that serious, but I would love to like actually try and like fucking pretend and see if it would be believable. I don't know why that sounds funny. - Some people will definitely call that sociopathic. - Probably, probably. That's a little sociopathic, isn't it? What was the point of this? Oh, Chizuhara. I think she's a goat, man. She's just a goat, man. - I fucking love Chizuhara. Best goat of 2020. - I know, you just made a fucking video about her.

- The point is genocide is bad. Okay, when the whole waifu culture, right? - Right. - Is it like a thing where, when I would like, I would fight for my favorite waifu. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I felt like it was a thing where it was like,

I genuinely like this character, but I'm putting on an act. Like I don't actually care about them that much. Like I'm just, I figured that everyone was the same where it's like- - No, we're 100% serious. - We're all 100%. This is why we're both taken men. Like I'm getting fucking married next year. - Is this 'cause like your relationships aren't satisfied? You're like, God, I gotta find something else to just fill that void. - No, no, because I see waifus in a totally different realm than I see real people. 'Cause I think they'll be-

- That has to be stated. - I think it does. - Some people are like, when they say, "Oh, your 2D is better than 3D." Most people just say it as a gag. - That's what I thought. I thought everyone was just joking. - I've met some people who are legitimately like, "Nah, fuck 3D women. 2D is the way to go." Yeah, exactly. But we're not like that. We just say that as a fucking gag.

- You've had your fill of the 3D. - Yeah, exactly. - You're not satisfied. - I like the idea of like the waifus or some of my favorite waifus. - What idea? What's the idea? - The idea that you can simp for them, but there's no actual repercussions to them simping. - I hate that the word simp has been invented because now it just, it replaces all nuance of like explaining the feeling. - But here's the thing, you can simp for an actual real person, but you can't simp for a real person. But you can't.

- But you can't sim for an anime character. That's just not how it works. But I think some people just tend to think like, oh yeah, I can simp an anime character, but you can't. They're not even real. - You can't simp if they don't exist. - You can't simp if they don't exist. - I guess like, I don't know why. I just seem to like, I was under the impression that everyone was like pretending to act like to feel this strongly about it. - Oh no, no.

- No, no, no, I'm sure there are some people. - I thought that we were all just like, "Yeah, I'll kill you for Ren." I didn't think anyone actually was serious about that stuff. - No, I mean, I'm not serious about that. I mean, that's part of the fun of it, right? - We all agreed that it's like- - Did you think we weren't?

- Wait, what, sorry? - Did you honestly think that if you said like, oh yeah, Shinobu shit, that I would come out after you with a fucking knife? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

- You feel strongly, but it's not genuinely a strong emotion. - Oh no, no, no, no. - I feel strongly about a fictional character. - The act that you're putting on. - Yeah. - Yeah, I know. - They committed to the meme. - Yeah, it's an act, right? No one actually, like this is what I'm saying. Like, I feel like I've met some people who can't turn that shit off and they don't know if it's an act. - No, no, but that's the thing. That's the thing. We can turn it off.

- No, we can turn it off. But that's because we have a brain and we can turn it off. Some people can't turn it off. - You know how people think like everyone just agrees the moon landing didn't happen, right? It's like that. This is actually a conspiracy theory. I was like, we all agree that we're acting right when we talk about these white people. This is actually a conspiracy theory where no one actually feels strongly about it. - It's like some American psycho shit. - Define feel strongly. What do you mean by feel strongly?

- I would never get upset, like genuinely upset. Like I'm talking like crying over something to do with the fictional character. - Some people will though. Some people will. - This is not to do with the story. Like this is like stuff to do with like outside emotions that you're bringing in. - No, no, some people will. - Why?

- Why? - We're not bad people. - What you're describing is exactly the same way as people who shit on your favorite anime. You know what I mean? Like you've seen the reactions where if you shit on some anime, people are gonna like react strongly to that. - The episode hasn't gone live yet where we shit on the fan dubs, but I'm sure we'll see. - You've seen the smear campaign that went against like me when I said that "Fairy Tail" was shit, right? - There was a smear campaign. - It was a smear campaign.

- They were like, "Why am I still getting hit?" - They were like, "Defend Fairytale from the anime, man." I'm like,

I'm not the only person who said that fairytale is shit. But that's the thing, they're varying degrees. - Do you think that the whole like simping over the waifus and stuff is just the extension of the show and the like of the show? - It's kind of the same emotional attachments. As the resident waifuologist, I just made that title up. - Really, I would never have guessed that. You really didn't have to clarify that. - I've always found waifu culture like super fascinating.

Also because like I love my waifus as well. - 'Cause it's like an act that everyone agrees to just play along with. - Yeah, but at what point is, here's what's interesting. At what point is like the attachment you feel towards a waifu, at what point do we all agree that it becomes unhealthy?

- Right. Because to me, I can clearly separate my love towards a fictional character. - Right, right, right. - And my love towards like real people. 'Cause I can safely say that some of my favorite waifus, they would be fucking assholes if they existed in real life.

- My God. - That's what you get for liking tsundere. - Imagine having a real life tsundere who fucking hits you for like the stupidest shit. - Which is what I don't understand about people who say that tsundere is, I mean, I can't really say speak much.

- Mine's the same, but like at least my waifu doesn't like hit people like for no fucking reason, right? Your waifu hits people for no fucking reason. - These men are disgusting as if it's like, man, if she was real, what would she do to me? No, because it's weird, right? Because no one defined the rules on how to act about or talk about it, but everyone just kind of had this agreement.

that we're gonna act and all engage in a way like it's a sports team. - Yeah, it's just like a common sense thing. - But some people have taken it too far. - Some people, I mean, there's always gonna be people who take it too far. - It's like fantasy football. Some people just take it a little too far and a little too seriously, even though they know it doesn't exist. - Yeah, yeah. Well, I'd say when people like give shit to the team, they're like, you motherfucker.

I have $10 on this fucking thing, why did you not go? - Yeah, exactly. - 'Cause I would say it's all about suspension of disbelief, right? There's so many waifus that work simply because they are anime characters. And that's what really works into, hey, I can really fucking love this character and what she represents,

but there's no fucking way that she exists in real life and I could be with someone like that. - That's the exact reason why I'm okay with maid characters, but I can't stand maid cafes.

- My fucking God, going into a maid cafe is the cringiest shit I have ever been to. - It is extremely cringy and I just don't understand. I don't mind the whole like, "Goshijinsou" thing if it's a fucking fictional 2D character on my screen saying it.

But then when I went into a maid cafe and a real life woman said that to me in the exact same way, I was like, please stop. - Yeah, and I remember like peak mid 2000s, like cringe culture was all about like seeing people act like anime characters in real life. And I still like to this day, I still fucking cringe whenever- - It doesn't translate. - Whenever someone tries to act like an anime character and that's whether it's a fucking Western fan or it's someone Japanese made, you know?

- It never gets- - It could be the cutest Japanese girl. It's still cringe. - I think also being British and Australian where I think we like our social rules are a lot different to America and Japan. Just anything like that is just,

instinctively uncomfortable for people where you're putting on an act and putting me above you. I think in real life, I think most people don't like it when people pretend to be anything other than a human. - I turn into you when you view YouTubers, whenever like someone acts like an anime character, I'm just like, please act like a human being. I know you're not an anime character. - You put a fucking 3D model, let's go. - That's it, put a 2D avatar.

- Is it the eye contact? Is it that they have eyes and you can see their eyes and you can see the fucking death in their eyes and it's like, please stop. I can see it in your eyes. This is uncomfortable for both of us. - Yeah, because every time I walk into a maid cafe, I know they're not doing it because that's what they really are like.

- No, because when you're a VTuber, there's a screen. There is a screen. - There's a barrier. - You cannot physically interact with them. You know what I mean? - As a British person, I get uncomfortable when people smile, like when McDonald's employees smile.

That's how much I do not want you to act. You should not be happy working at McDonald's. I worked at McDonald's. And if you're smiling, I'm like, you don't get paid enough to smile. Don't smile. - It's like saying that your favorite animal is a lion and you really enjoy watching lions at a zoo because it's from a distance. But if you're in the cage- - This is so weird. - But if you're in a cage with an actual lion, you're like, I don't wanna get it. I don't wanna be in here. - There's a potential death there. In McDonald's, when I'm there and they look at me and they smile at me asking for my order, I'm like, this is a lie.

You're not happy about receiving my order. I know you're not, don't pretend. 'Cause it's even that level of fakeness is uncomfortable for me. Especially in the UK, right? You'll never see a fucking McDonald's employee smile. And when they do it's like, stop that. I'm ordering. Stop smiling right now. - It's like watching a YouTuber be really nice when you know they're an asshole in real life, right? It's like, stop, just stop man, please. - God knows I've met many. - Yeah, please stop. - Yeah, I don't know. There's like, I think it's,

like again with mate cultures, right? We don't like it when people are fake to us. - Yeah. - And when we know they're being fake to us. - Yeah. - And I guess that's why YouTube is in live stream is stuff done off so long. Cause it's poised as this real thing, right? - Yeah. - It's not a character. - It's genuine. - Yeah, it's a genuine thing. You know, and there are some people out there who are, and there are some people out there who most definitely are. - No, no. - Which is why like I never understood like real Japanese idol culture.

- In Japan, because the one thing I didn't understand was this idea that these real human beings needed to be perfect. That is the Japanese idol. If they're anything but perfect, they get fucking destroyed. - They need to be pure. The most pure that anyone can be. - They get destroyed as well. Their fucking, their whole life is over. - To me, that is the unhealthy side of things. - Oh, it's toxic as fuck. - Because it's inhumane.

it's when you are in viewing fictional aspects to real people and you expect real people to act like fictional characters. The reason waifus work is because they can be perfect or it's the idea of them that is perfect. - I remember one fucking great Japanese meme that came out of vitals. This is years ago, like this started on 2chan but there was a thread of a,

of some person fucking critiquing idols and idol culture and that kind of shit. And there was this one reply of this like absolute simp for idols who was like, "Oh, idols don't poop. They don't poop." - No way. - They're so pure that they don't even poop. - Isn't that something like that North Korea, this is about Kim Jong-un. - Yeah, he doesn't poop. It's just rainbows.

- No, no, no, he doesn't waste. There's no waste. - Yeah, there's no waste. - All gets converted into, 'cause they're the perfect human being. It all gets converted to energy. - And then that turned into a meme where it's like, if something is so pure, they're just like, yeah, they don't poop. - They don't poop. - Yeah, they don't poop. Idols don't poop. They're perfect in every sense. - They shit rainbows. - Yeah, they shit rainbows, man. - I'll eat their shit. - Why not? - It's like a lion. - Already clouding on me. - It's like Michael's out. - I don't know. It's, oh my God.

- Oh my God, it's hard because there's so many, I guess 'cause VTubers have gotten in that perfect spot where it's like, it has done everything right that kind of goes against the rules of other things that would make it uncomfortable. - I mean, I find it fucking amazing how just how quickly VTubers have exploded. 'Cause I remember when Kizuna Ai debuted, like she started a massive fucking wave of Japanese VTubers and nobody here gave a shit at all.

- There were some people who liked Kizuna Ai, but I think- - No, no, I feel like it was Kizuna Ai and there was a top three, I think. - Yeah, it was Kaguya Aruna and Shirou, I think were the top three. That had the most attention. And then there was a B tier of a lot of smaller, like 100K. And then the C tier was like,

actual thousands, tens of thousands of VTubers. - Tens of thousands. But like, I feel like we're just on the cusp of like something similar happening to the English speaking culture. - I'm excited 'cause it's fun. 'Cause I feel like it could either be, like you said, like something giant could come and it could really establish itself or it could be a flash in the pan. - I think it's a little bit different though than the VTuber YouTuber side, right? Because with the VTuber YouTuber side, there was this like big three or like there was a couple of really big faces that were kind of pulling the entire community

but I feel- - I think that'll happen though. - Yeah, but I feel though with like the live streamers, like with Hololive and Nijisanji and all of them, everybody's kind of at the top at the same time. Like the entire community is growing at once. It's not so much one person leading the way. - It'll eventually level out there as it always does. - I think so. - This video is also sponsored by EJ Anime Store. - Entertainment Japan. - Fuck you, Connor.

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- The girl who just destroyed every other girl by being introduced in season two, Soy Beatrice. I'm simping over echidna now. - This man changes his mind quicker than the wind changes direction, my God. - But the great thing about this figure is that it includes a letter written by the author of the original "Rizera Light Novel" series, Nagatsuki Tappei, as an exclusive bonus.

- We also have the Angel Beats figure in the front, which is the Kanade Tachibana. It's Key's 20th anniversary and this is the Gothic Lolita version. The special edition includes an A4 acrylic stand as an exclusive bonus. - And we also got the Strike the Blood Yukino Himaragi Tropical Wedding version. - Tropical wedding, ooh. I actually do like the ribbon, like kind of fluttering around and the dress and everything. It's got a lot of movement to it.

- This is celebrating the completion of the original Strike the Blood light novel series. - I actually can't believe the light novel been going off about. - I know. - I swear it started in like mid 2000s or something. - I remember seeing like anytime there's a new Strike the Blood or like Strike Witches anime series, I'm like, man, they're still going on.

- Is this still going on, seriously? - But wait, does it come with a special item? - Yes, this special set includes a B2 tapestry of the original created illustration that inspired this figure. - Well, the one I wanna talk about is this one at the back here, which is the Konosuba figurine. It's a double figurine of Iris and Megumin. - I will say this figure is heavily pushing monetization on our channel. Thank you very much.

But yeah, this is the Konosuba Continued, an explosion on this wonderful world, Iris and Megumin light novel thief version. And this set includes a large rubber play mat as an exclusive bonus. - A play mat? - Yeah, like, you know, the stuff that you can play like Yu-Gi-Oh! on. - Oh, oh, I thought it was like, you know, like the kids when they have like the car.

- Oh, no, no, no. I mean, if my kid played all that, I'd be like, "My man." - And finally we have the Sword Art Online figure. - Joey's favorite anime. - I love it. - This is the Ashina Midsummer Sparkle Bride version. - Okay, as much as I don't rate the show, what I do love about Sword Art Online is its figurines. Like that's nice. That's a nice figure. I would get that.

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- Janimestore.com. - Links in the description. - They're constantly adding new stuff to the store, so go and keep checking it out. - Thank you to EJ Anime Store for sponsoring this episode. - Back to the video. - Yeah, I feel like we're in a cusp of like just a new genre being like birthed. - I hope so. - Like, 'cause I wouldn't be surprised if like in a year or something Twitch has a VTuber category on stream. - Oh, that'd be cool. - That'd be cool. - You know what I mean? That's kind of what I feel like we're about to experience because

It's weird that it's been this past week where it's just gone from kind of this kind of cult following to everyone kind of talking about it in the live streaming circuit now. - I hope so. I mean, I'm always down for anything that like spices up a little bit. I feel like live streaming has been a bit stale for a while. And even if I'm not into it right now,

I'm sure there's gonna be someone I like. And again, the ones I have seen, I've rather enjoyed, just haven't gotten into it to the point where I feel very strongly about someone. - Right, right, right. - Yeah, I don't know. - I mean, I just like people's content. That's basically how I see. I see VTubers, people are gonna make the simp memes, whatever, you're gonna make it anyway. - Don is a simp.

- But I respect them the same way I respect any other content creator on YouTube or any streamer. - Because they are like, if you honestly, if you take away the whole like, you know, anime girl facade away, they're just genuinely really fucking good entertainers. - Yeah. - Dude, if Dio's voice actor became a VTuber, it's all over. Then I'm gonna simp.

- When we get like officially established voice actors to do VTubing, man, it's over. - I reckon it's gonna happen. - It's fucking over. - It's gonna happen, dude. - Dude, they gotta get to us. - Honestly. - That'd be so funny. - One thing I do find funny though is that I know several people like myself

who like were very big anime fans obviously, who now watch way less anime just because V tubing has like- - Anime, it's like, what's that friendship ended with anime? New best friend, Hololive. - It's like that, it's like that Toy Story meme where it says Annie's getting rid of the toy. Like, I don't want to play with you anymore. - Honestly though, like just this weekend, I had so many plans and they were just completely ruined by the fact that I just got into Hololive. - Just gonna masturbate, gonna masturbate.

- I feel like it's just been the perfect storm of 2020 being one of, I think we can all agree 2020 has been one of like the weakest years of anime in quite a while. - I think so. - That's not just the fault of the anime coming out. Obviously there's the entire world situation, but it's also that- - Nothing's really like,

excited everybody unanimously I feel. - Right. - Yeah. - There's been series like Rent a Girlfriend, that kind of stuff, where some people have gotten excited about it, but there hasn't been that one show that everyone's like, "Yes, let's go." - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, other than Bree Zero and Rent a Girlfriend and maybe like,

I don't know what the fuck's a demon fucking school thing. - Demon school. I mean, I would say- - Like Peter grill. - I would even say that I've seen a lot less hype around these big shows, which are the biggest right now than I would say in other years. - I wonder if it's also a mixture of like, you know, like "Great Pretender" being kind of

scattered and all the big Netflix shows kind of being thrown out there kind of not really allowing much discussion in a way that, okay, if there's less discussion going on on social media, 'cause less people are watching in the same way, I guess it makes it way easier to then get behind something like Hololive, right? Where it's live and the memes can be shared instantly.

I mean, I feel like just VTubers are the hot thing right now. And it's just what's on everyone's feed right now. - Right, I guess that's why I'm really interested to see how it will level out. Or if it will, if it will keep growing. - I hope so. - I mean, I hope so. More interesting stuff. - Speaking of like Netflix anime and everything, like this weekend, haven't done this in a while, but I watched an entire show in like one week

in like one day. - Get out of here, get out of here. - What is this, 2013? - It's so weird. - What show is it? - It's Dota Head Dota. - Oh yeah, I've watched all of that too. - Oh yeah, it's fucking awesome. - So it's been a while, like I started watching it a while ago, I completely forgot what happened. - It's amazing, right?

- Here's the thing. - I've never lost a chub so quick in my life. Oh my God. - I just like the way you said that so casually. It's like, it's amazing, right? And I just said, so, I mean,

- Okay, here's the thing. I did like it, but it's one of these things where that makes me hate being like an anime fan, right? Because it's one of those- - Who do I simp over? - I have this experience so often, right? So you have this 13 episode series. It's got so much potential. It has a really interesting world. It has really cool characters. And then just as you start to get invested in everything, nothing really happens.

- That's why you read the manga bro. - That was Dora Head Doro for me. Because I really love the world. It's one of the most interesting worlds I've seen in a while. Like the whole, it's so fucking brutal and the magic system is really weird as well. It's a really, it's- - It's unconventional. - It's very unconventional. It's kind of like Mad Max times Psycho Pass or something along those lines. - Does something have to happen?

- I mean, I would hope so. - We're probably gonna get a season two, probably. - That's no guarantee. - True. - That's the thing, right? That's the thing about being an anime fan. With so many shows, you're just in fucking limbo. You're like, you know, just tell me if I'm gonna get another season or tell me if I'm not. I just wanna know, should I just go ahead and binge the manga or should I wait? - You should, with "Dorohedora" you should. - To be fair, Netflix has been pretty good with,

like making season twos for the IPs. - We've gotten a lot better recently, but yeah, like I was really enjoying myself with Dodo Hair Dodo, but it just ended and I was just feeling like nothing inside. - I feel like enough happened. I can't remember exactly what happened. - That's exactly it, right? - It's been like since we fucking started the podcast when I watched this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But I remember being- - That's two months. - That's not two months.

- No, it came out way earlier than that. - It's like four months ago I watched that shit. - Really? - Yeah. - We didn't start this podcast like four months ago. - It's like 20 weeks ago. - No fucking way. - This is episode 18, Garnt. So I watched- - What the fuck is 2020, man? I was like, this is episode five, right? We've been on trash days for like two months. - You're like a fucking comatose patient on the podcast, bro. Oh my God. I watched it like then and I remember being,

really fucking happy that it felt so fucking refreshing watching it. It was like a fucking glass of orange juice in the morning. I was like, damn, that's nice. - The manga especially is just fucking insane. - I read a few of the chapters of the manga where it left off and I was like, holy shit. - Hayashi Deku's art is just fucking insane.

being like, you know what? I can tell the story isn't getting to the best bits and that's totally fine. Like I get it. - It's nowhere near getting to the best bits. - That's fine. Is that not fine, Garnt? - I mean, it's fine. It's just- - Is it not fine? - It's just annoying, right? Because I like experiencing the best part of stories. I like seeing stories go from like, at least hits one kind of climax. 'Cause I feel like- - It was like Attack on Titan season two. That's what it was. - My problem with "Dorohedoro" was that I can't point to a single,

ask single part to be like, this is a huge climax happening right now. - It doesn't have to have that though. That's literally the slice of life fucking like, you literally just named slice of life. - I feel though, but that's the thing. I feel though that the reason why Doro He Doro was so unique in that sense is because it poses this incredible world and these incredible characters.

and yet they really take their time to like kind of reveal it in. - And they don't mind you showing you the characters you might not be interested in. - Because eventually they will become interesting. And it's just slowly building up as well. - The villains I didn't give a shit about. - No, I can say this perfectly. It just didn't feel like a season. It felt like, all right, we've just run out of runtime. Let's just cut the season off basically.

Like with most anime seasons, you have some kind of climax. You have a season finale. This didn't really feel like a season finale. It just kind of just ended. - I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I don't need that. Like sometimes the ride is better than the destination. You know what I mean? - I want a complete package with my stuff. - Well, because I feel that, I feel the same thing kind of happened with Beastars as well. - Yeah, Beastars didn't end satisfyingly. - That had a climax, man. - Where was the climax?

- The stage performance? - Not just the stage performance, but they fucked when he, I can't say this while going to spoilers. - You can spoiler, just say spoiler. - But when he saved Haru. That was pretty climactic. That was the end of a story. - I don't know. - I thought her daughter had equivalents of that. When he let out his magic juice and they had to get it back or something. I can't remember what happened.

- Something like that, yeah. - I remember just it being like fucking hyped, I don't know. Not everything needs to have a neat package gone. - Yes, it does. - No, it doesn't. - Yes, it does. - No, it doesn't, man. Literally the Lord of the Rings movie is a mess, bro. - No, because at least at the end of the Lord of the Rings movie, you still have some kind of closure, but it's like, oh, that was a cool story arc. - I swear, what the fuck happens in the second Lord of the Rings film at the end?

- There's two towers. That's the only thing I remember. - That was that climactic battle at the end of two towers. - Yeah, but that wasn't the end of it though. - What do you mean it wasn't the end of it? That was the end of the battle. - Yeah, the end of the battle, not the end of the movie. - Imagine if they just stopped mid battle. - No, no, no. - And you're just like. - No, no, no. - Dora Head Doro did not do that. It was like a mid battle. - No, no, no. - We didn't get like a Tokyo Ghoul season one ending, right? - Because we didn't even get that big climactic battle in Dora Head Doro. - Okay, but what you, okay.

Megalobox was basically that. We got, no, no, no, it was a very nice, it was a cool story, had a very nice package and that was shit. It's not always about the package. - What the fuck, no, Megalobox is great. What are you talking about? - It was boring, bro. - Megalobox was like, let's take ping pong and put it in a boxing setting.

- What did you like about Megalobox? - No, no, no, no. I love Megalobox in the first viewing. I should have said Megalobox. - Megalobox. - I love Megalobox. I enjoyed it, but at the same time, I'm like, the story was just kind of like, all right, cool. I mean, I knew what was gonna happen. It was so fucking obvious. Like, it was just kind of like, all right. - Yeah, I mean, I'm not to say that Megalobox is like, was the greatest anime to come out of that year, but- - But people are like, it's the fucking great, like people are genuinely upset that it wasn't anime of the year, right?

- I mean, it wasn't that good. - It wasn't that good. - I would say I felt more complete. I mean, I definitely felt more complete watching Megalo Box than I did Dora Head Doro. - But yeah, it was. But I think Dora Head Doro was better than Megalo Box for me, personally. - I mean, for me, like at the moment, yeah, you know, I can see that Dora Head Doro definitely had more potential to be good than Megalo Box. I'm just saying that it didn't get near that point. It didn't fucking get near that point. And I wanted something, I wanted a moment I could think back to Dora Head Doro and be like, that was a great show.

- But to me, I- - The baseball. - The baseball? - Really? - They had the giant cockroach join them to play baseball or some shit. And I was like, this is so fucking dumb, but I love it. - By the way, if you're wondering why I'm not as heavily involved is because I read all the manga and I'm completely satisfied with it.

- Yeah, I'm sure the manga's amazing. - Oh yeah, I didn't even watch the anime 'cause I'd- - Joey's that guy. - Yeah, I'm just that guy. I'm like, mm, peasant, mm, anime. - I'm like, you peasants fight while I sit on the throne and drink wine. - Joey's there when fucking Jesus is on the cross. Joey's like, "God, you should see what happens next. "You guys won't believe what he's about to pull."

- I'm the guy in the cinema who like mouths what they say as it's happening. - Just wait till we get to the cave. You better keep your eye on the cave. You guys thought that was insignificant, bro. - I'm not saying he's gonna come back, but yeah. - He's not gonna revive in my life.

- Literally that guy. - I hate those fucking mongrels. - God, he's such a smug cunt. - Like, oh, you like that character? Oh, okay. - Have fun while it lasts. - Have fun with that. - You might not want to get into it. Just forget what I'm saying. It means nothing. - I hate it though when you have that friend who wants to know that like, is anything gonna happen to them? I'm like, don't ask me that. Don't ask me that.

- Oh no, I'm absolutely that guy that's like, oh, you'll see. You'll see. - I hate it when people tell me like, I'm like, oh yeah, I've got these three parts. That's like, oh, part four is the best. I'm like, don't fucking tell me what part's the best. I wanna have my own opinion. - Yeah, I just wanna go into like a series with like zero expectations. 'Cause even if you say, even if I hear something like, oh, this part's fucking amazing. Like, I don't wanna know this part's amazing. I just wanna like experience the fact that it's amazing instead of like hyping it up.

because then I have like expectations to me and I don't want expectations to me. - To fuck Joey over here, Joey just started watching Demon Slayer. - Yeah, finally. - The anime man watching Demon Slayer in 2020. - I was that bored. I was just like, all right, I should probably stop this. - He hadn't watched animation of the decade. - Animation of the decade. - So the reason why I watched Demon Slayer was, excuse me,

- The reason why I watched Demon Slayer was because I was not watching it, but then suddenly on Twitter, dude, episode 19, episode 19. It was insane, bro. You won't believe it, bro. The animation made my fucking gave birth to my child, bro. It fixed all of my AIDS. - It cured my autism. - It was like, I've never seen, this is like the level of hype that must've been there for Jesus is like,

fucking resurrection, bro. I'd never seen so much hype for something in my life. - I think that was the first time I've ever seen an anime trending on Twitter. - Like fucking Ninja was like, bro, I'm an anime fan the whole time. - Are we just gonna call it that now? The Jesus resurrection arc? - It was the second coming of Jesus. - I have probably made too many religious references this podcast. I just think people feel strongly about religion.

- Yeah. - But anyway, I watched it and the whole time I was watching Demon Slayer, I was unimpressed by everything 'cause I was like, yes, I'm waiting for episode 19. - Yeah, yeah.

I'm saving my nut for episode 19. And there was plenty of really amazing like- - I'm saving my nut for episode 19. - It's like when you've watched a porno, right? You're saving your, you know where the good bit is. We all do it, right? Let's not pretend like we don't. Everyone skips. You know where the blow job starts. You skip. - Let's go to literally 10 minutes in and then let's skip again to 20 minutes in. - Okay, okay.

- Do you watch the blow jobs in porn? - No. - No, you skip past it, right? So you skip past it and then they're already in like, then you've gone too far 'cause they're already fucking fully at it. You're like, no, no, no, come back. 'Cause you wanna get before they just start that, right? That's what it was, right? That's what it was. - So are you saying that episode 19 was the post blow job of anime? - It was the post blow job part of the porn house. It was like the, everything else, it was like, you knew it was the blow job. So you were like, I'm saving it. I'm saving the nut.

- I'm saving it. You have to save it because if you get super hyped about something that happened and you know better is coming on, you can't, you can't match the excitement. - Yeah, true, true, true. - I'm sorry to the female viewers who don't watch porn and the- - All the male, all the male viewers. - Yeah, all the male viewers who don't watch porn. What's wrong with you? - We don't discriminate here, but what the fuck? - Yeah, so what is your opinion on "Demon Slayer"?

- Okay, so I haven't- - It's the blow job of anime. - It's animation of the decade. So I'm not up to episode 19 yet. I think I'm right before that. - Save that nut, Joe. - I'm saving that nut. - Save the nut. - But I think that's one of the big reasons why I decided to not watch it until March.

much, much later because I didn't want that hype to sway my opinion on the show. - Well, I just told you now. - Yeah, of course, of course. I mean, no, like I'll admit like, you know, because it was, everyone was fucking talking about it at the time, right? It's definitely in the back of my head as I'm watching it. - You're like unimpressed with things because you're expecting to be impressed. - Right, right. Because I'm expecting episode 19 to be the one that I nut to. - To be the nut. - Yeah, to be the nut, right? So I'm basically blue balls for fucking 18 episodes, right? I'm just like,

- It's coming. - This is like the- - I just have to hold on. - It's like a JV where it's like 50 minutes of buildup.

- It is, but I think that's why I wanted it to wait until all the hype was over just so that the earliest stuff doesn't fucking persuade how I see the actual show. I wanted to just go into a completely clean. - Man, I feel sorry for anyone who's doing that with "Attack on Titan." It's like someday, someday it's gonna stop being popular. - Right, right. - It's just not. - It's just not happening, yeah. But also because the manga is ending soon or I think it's almost ended, I don't know.

- I think it has ended. - I think it has ended, right? - Yeah, it has ended. - Yeah, so it has ended. So I'm like, okay, now's probably the best time to actually start watching it just so that I could probably go and just read the manga as well because I'm that guy. So I was just bored and I was like, all right, you know what? Fuck it, I'll see what this show is all about. And it's good. I enjoy it.

It's great. It's very- It's the cornflakes of anime. It's very- You can't hate it. It's cornflakes. It's very inoffensive. There is nothing inherently about the show I dislike, but I

I mean, so far I can't fucking stand Zenitsu, I'm sorry. Like he's just an annoying fucking character. - Who does? - There are lots of people. - There are lots of people. - There are so many people who simp for Zenitsu and I'm like, why? He's just fucking annoying. - I guess 'cause I think a lot of people can relate to the, yo, hold me back 'cause if I go sicko mode, I unleash my true power, you're done so. I think a lot of people can relate to that. - Yeah, right? - I'm a pussy but.

- When my ultimate's off cooldown, you better run, bro. - That's the problem though is right now is that I don't know if I'm just not as invested into Shonen characters as most people are, but just like, I don't really care about Zenitsu. Right now, I still don't really care about Inosuke all that much. Maybe I'll learn to like him. - I know people are gonna be pissed about me, but like, I feel like it is literally My Hero Academia with the skin. - Yeah.

- Think about it, right? Inosuke is Bakugou. Tanjiro is Deku. Zenitsu is, I don't fucking know. Amalgamation of probably some other fucking- - Here's the thing, Demon Slayer to me is solid. - But so is My Hero Academia. Like it's just another solid shonen. - But to be fair, if I-

I can't, I would rather watch Demon Slayer than My Hero Academia. - No, same, same. Is there a tournament arc in Demon Slayer? That's what I need to know. - Not yet. - I mean, Demon Slayer- - Not that we know of. Manga readers? - It probably is. - I just find it funny 'cause I feel like Demon Slayer has just filled that gap in that was the Bleach fan before. 'Cause you haven't got to the later episodes where they basically introduce like,

- We basically have our souls. - I do admit I'm way more invested in the world building of Demon Slayer than I am in My Hero Academia. There's so much, I don't know, the characters feel like the ones that we don't know much about seem so much more interesting. Whereas I don't give a fuck about All For One. Like I don't think he's fun to watch at all. - I didn't even get that far. - I think he's fucking boring. - I like for me. - Human scrotum with powers. Okay, cool.

Like I really, really enjoyed "Hero Academia" and then as more seasons came out, I went from like loving it to be like, it's solid. It's a solid show. - For me, it's like I watched season one

And I was like, should I watch season two? And then reflected on like, I didn't like season one enough to go watch season two. - Yeah. - Even though people are like, no, but season two is where the tournament arc begins bro. It's so fucking good. - Way to call me out like that, Joey. - And I'm just like, I don't give a shit about tournament arc. - Are you caught up on my Heracotamia anime? - Yes, I am. - Did you like the last season that just happened? - No, I did not. - Oh my fucking God, I was so bored. - Really? - Like I did not think they built up Overload, Overload? - Overload.

- As a good villain? I don't fucking know. - Over something, the plague doctor. I didn't think they built him up very well. And then the whole, it was like literally the anime trope where every single episode had a flashback. - Oh God, I hate that shit. - And then they won the fight. And it's like, oh for fuck's sake. - That's what I fucking hated about Naruto. It's the exact same thing. It's just like cut back on the fucking flashback. - My favorite fight in My Hero Academia to this day is the first All Might versus Nomu fight. Like zero flashbacks. - That shit was good. - Zero for season one.

- Yeah, the T-Series. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - That to me sold me on the show. And that was like zero flashbacks. It was just a hero being a hero. And now it's just- - That was a clean nut. - Yeah, that was a clean nut. - It was, it was. - And like other arcs, there have been good points in other arcs, but it hasn't taken me back to the love I felt at that point in the show. - That's a good point. I'll be honest. I don't think I was as hyped for the arc

All Might versus All For One fight as the Nomu versus- - I mean, All Might versus All For One was just like- - You knew he was gonna win. - I mean, that was less about the fight. The fight itself was just really fucking boring 'cause it was like, you had All For One, right? A million fucking powers and he uses the same fucking attack five times in a row. - Literally me in a fighting game. X, X, X, X, X, X. It's like, 'cause he doesn't have the fucking-

- He's like, "I don't think the bubbles play a role

will go well with the photocopy power. - It's like that smash player who only spams the forward smash. - I wonder if there was ever a conversation where he stole powers. People were like, but why did you steal that power? It's like, I stole the power to be permanently erect. And it's like, but why? Why did you steal that power?

- I'll tell you what it is. It's like the same syndrome you have when you're like scrolling down on Netflix where you just have like so many fucking cows and you're like, fuck it, I'll just rewatch the same thing five times in a row. - Okay, I'll be honest, right? I really fucking wanted All Might to win that fight and die. - Yeah, I wanted him to die as well. - I think that would have been fucking legendary. - Yeah. - Like I, God, I'm sorry. - Top 10 anime deaths. - God, I haven't said legendary in a fucking long time. - Legendary. - God, yeah.

he should have died, I thought. It would have made like the next arc or so be, because he's just kind of chilling around now. He's just kind of like the boomer who's like, yeah, I was cool once.

- I love hanging out with these kids. - I'm sure manga readers, you know, as they always with their omnipotence knowledge and their 360 vision and hindsight. - One thing, my biggest pet peeve is when you have like a criticism of a show that's like up to that point and the manga reader's like, "But the manga!" - Ten volumes in, you'll see, you'll see

- Thank you, Joey. Thank you for that. - To me it felt like hesitation that he didn't kill All Might. 'Cause he'd been building up All Might's frail ass, like, you know, poison ridden body. - Don't look at me, man. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. - I'm just looking at you, Joey. Fucking anemic.

- I'm kidding. Like he built up how frail and how he was dying. Why didn't he kill him there at the peak, right? Like, I don't know, to me he should have. Maybe there's- - Maybe because it was too much of a beloved character. - I think there was probably he was scared too. I don't know. Maybe again, the manga is probably like, well, actually there's some, you know, but I don't give a shit. - That scene would have definitely hit me harder if he had died. - Because it also would have made

Endeavor's like when he becomes the hero, you know, in the next arc, that would have made that even more impactful because he's the only one left now. Right? And he never got to show all night that, right? Why are we going on a fucking fanfic of My Hero Academia? I wanted him to die. He should have fucking died. - Let me rewrite My Hero Academia. - Hey Horikoshi, this is how it's supposed to be done.

- I'm a writer. - Let me fix your art. - Stop getting banned in China. Let me fix it. - I'm a writer, hire me, Horikoshi.

- I don't know, like there's stuff like that, that I don't know, fucking, I'm losing interest in "My Hero Academia" by this season. - I am as well, and I didn't think I would because it was one thing I was super, super hyped about when it first started airing. And right now I think I like "Black Clover" more than "My Hero Academia." - Oh God. - And I didn't think that would happen. - Can you say that? Do we have to bleep that? - Did I just say something blasphemous? I don't know. - How can a man be so blasphemous?

- You have made the Black Clover fandom extremely happy now, Garnt. You've given them validation where there was none. - They're like finally recognition. - Here's your validation everyone. But no, because I feel like with Black Clover, it's just so much fun. It's just fun. It's just, this is the pure Shonen fun I was looking for. And with My Hero Academia, I feel like it's trying to go for greatness.

It's like, it's trying to build up- - It's going for the long con. - It's going for the long con. It's trying to build up so many great points and great characters, but it's just doing a lot of things that is just not keeping my interest as well. Like what the fuck? Okay, what the fuck was that last arc in "My Hero Academia" season four as well? With-

- The villain who I can't even remember. - The British guy basically. - Yeah. - Like the fucking tea drink. - The British guy. - His whole quirk is that like, what is it? Like he drinks tea? - Yeah. - I don't actually think that's his quirk, but all he does is drink tea. Oh, he can make things into, he's basically Hisoka. He makes things into rubber.

- Wow. - Yeah, but then he drinks tea. So that's like, that's also his big thing is that he's like really picky about tea. And I'm like, is this how he like envisions British people? Because yes, that's actually true. - And it just like the entire arc just felt like a filler arc. There wasn't actually filler. And I know people are gonna be mad at me because yeah,

- I'm looking forward to the comments of this episode. - They enjoyed the school festival and everything, but I was just not invested enough in the side characters to really give a shit about the school festival. And the villain was just fucking weak sauce as fuck. So I didn't give a shit about that. So that entire arc was just, I'm gonna forget that one when season five ends

- Yeah, I wonder, is My Hero Academia trying to go for like a 10 year run here or do you think it's gonna be like- - I feel, yeah, I feel with just how successful it is, I'm sure people have shown a jump. Well, because I think the people have shown a jump- - They want a One Piece replacement? - No, not so much a One Piece replacement, but they want something that will line up with One Piece for a while because we've currently had Demon Slayer just ended, Haikyuu just fucking ended. - Is One Piece gonna end anytime soon?

- Well, Oda said that it'll end in the next five years, but who the fuck, it's Oda. - In one piece years though, that's pretty soon. - It's one piece years, that's really soon. The manga's been going for like 25 years now. - I'm wondering, as a fan who has been watching My Hero from the start, right? How, like, do they really expect someone to be into a show for 10 years? - Yes. - Yeah, of course. I've been into one piece for over 10 years.

- I've been into One Piece for as long as I've read it. - Like when One Piece ends- - I think my mom gave up like being interested in me after like eight, you know what I mean? Like she fucking birthed me. I'm kidding. - When One Piece ends, I'm gonna cry like nobody- - Oh no, I'm gonna fucking cry when One Piece ends. 'Cause that's like a huge part of my life that's just gone. - Right. - Yeah, it's just like your pet died or something. - I guess I did watch like Game of Thrones for like 10 years.

- Is that 10 years? - It's eight seasons, right? But they took like two years in the last one. - Oh yeah, that's true. - And that was the worst ending I've ever had in my life. - Think about the amount of people who fucking cried when Harry Potter ended. And that show had been going off, well not show, but like that book series had been going off like fuck knows how long. - True, true. I guess I underestimate, I guess when you say be interested in this for 10 years, it sounds hard, but then in real life, it's very much not like that. It's not like every day you're like, I'm caring, I'm caring.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm not gonna go on Twitter, there's actually some people who are like, "Yeah, I fucking love One Piece every day." - Yeah, but that's their only personality trait, right? - True, true. - Your Tinder profile, "I like One Piece." - It's like, "Oh, we're meant to be." - But it was so weird seeing even something like Naruto

and seeing the characters grow up and like kind of like growing up with the characters as well. - Yeah, Boruto, right? - Yeah, Boruto, the best. - I mean like I shit on Boruto and everything, but some of those first few episodes where you see Naruto as a dad and you see Sasuke as a dad and you're like,

- Well, the same thing happened with like when fucking " The Last Airbender" ended, right? And then the first episode of "Korra" was like, oh my God, Katara is old now. But then after the first episode, I was like, all right, I don't fucking care. - I like "Korra". - I thought "Korra" was kind of me. - You fucking love that word. I loved all four seasons, was it four seasons? - Of "Korra"? No, I think it was three, wasn't it? - I loved all of it.

I much prefer- - People had their complaints, but I was like, okay. - Okay, because I never grew up on Avatar. - Me neither. - Yeah, I only just recently watched it like the last couple of years. - Yeah, me too. - Avatar is fucking amazing. - I actually still haven't seen it. - Okay, it's fucking- - Really, really good show. - I completely understand the hype now because it's fucking great. But then I watched Korra and I was like, this doesn't-

- This doesn't hit different. - It's like a great anime kind of feel, but also has that comfort of a Saturday morning cartoon. It's really like in a sweet spot. - The jokes are like very campy. - I don't think I've ever heard you talk about something as endearing as you just talked about. - It's just something so comfortable about it. You know what I mean? It really like takes you, it's like how you felt, I imagine when I say like, imagine when you were trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards with your friends. That level of like,

- Oh man, that was fun, wasn't it? - I can totally understand why people are just as into it today as they were back then. - It really is like encapsulated and captured it like a time capsule of like just that feeling. When you watch it, you can't help but get that feeling. Gentlemen.

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So I'll tell you what else I've been watching recently. I've been catching up to Re:Zero season two as well. - Me too. - This is like going back how many episodes ago where we're just like, we're gonna get back to Re:Zero. Here you go fans, we're getting back to Re:Zero. - Five episodes later. - The amount of memes that came out of that. - This is one minute later. Don't fucking, in the internet one minute is nothing. Man, can I just laugh at something?

- Why is Garfield a big orange cat? - I never thought about that before. - He literally turns into a big orange cat. Have you watched Free Zero season two? - No, I haven't. - So this one character called Garfield, not Garfield, Garfield. - Garfield. - Garfield. - Oh yeah. - And he turns into. - A big orange cat. - A big orange cat. - What the fuck? - Probably hates Mondays. - Yeah, loves lasagna. - I just, I had to like pause it when this like, okay, spoilers.

when he just starts murdering people. This cat is just this fucking chunky Garfield, just murdering people. And I was like, - Now I wanna watch this. - Damn, what timeline happened to Garfield where he died, bro? - It's on a Monday probably. - I feel like you should watch "Freezeo" season two because I think it's fucking amazing. - Oh, it's great. - No, I need to. - Yeah, because I feel like, have you seen season one? - Yeah, of course.

- Yeah, so I feel like we go back to our conversation earlier. Season one set up the world really, really well. - Oh, perfect. - But then I knew it had the potential to go even further. And I feel like Re:Zero season two is definitely hitting that potential. Like one thing I really liked is how in like the first few episodes of season two

season two, there were just no deaths. It was just building up his character. - Right, right, right, right. - Like with what happened to Subaru in the first few episodes, that was fucking genius. - Oh, it's so good. - Because it managed to build up Subaru's character in a way that hadn't been like done before and really just explore

who he is and why he acts the way he does. - Yeah, because they built up this almost very childish mindset that he had that we often see in anime characters, especially in Isekai. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - And then they kind of just deconstructed it in season two, which I thought was amazing. 'Cause it's like, I hate this fucking incel. And then they're like, here's the reason why he's an incel and why he's going to change. - It's like, oh, I respect that. - Nice, nice, nice, I like that. - Yeah, I've only heard the greatest things about the anime. - 'Cause season one,

when you saw people who were like, "Dude, I relate to Subaru." I'm like, "What's wrong with you? "The fuck?" I think I mentioned this in another episode. But it's great because it's basically, they built that all up to be like, "Okay, now he's a shitty character "and we're gonna teach him why he needs to change. "And why those kind of behavior "and I'm doing all this for Amelia is toxic." As it would be.

- As it is, as it is. - Fucking simping for Amelia. - Yeah, and it's really interesting. I didn't like it when I realized what they were first doing, but I started to enjoy it. So they're using the whole reset thing as a way to like slowly build up this one kind of thing that they're stuck in right now. And I thought it was fucking annoying at first 'cause I wanted them to leave the site

the sanctuary. - Yeah, yeah. - And I really like how they've just slowly been building it up through the resets. - Exactly. - And you get a piece by piece. And it, 'cause it feels like almost like a murder mystery where you're kind of getting little information and it's just built it up really well. I don't know. I'm just really into it right now. And I'm so hyped for it goes. I have no qualms at right now. - Like I'm actually way more into it than I was season one. Season one I very much enjoy. - Actually, I do have a thing that I don't like. Where the fuck is Rem? I want my bitch back, bro.

- I get it, she's just kind of gone, but- - That's how basic she is, bro. - Bro, we better get like a full blow job scene in the back. - I'm gonna say it, I'm gonna say it. - It's gonna be like, who's that character Connor's talking about? - Oh, I'm gonna say it.

- Why would you still miss Rem when this perfect specimen of a beauty has been introduced to the show? - I can't get over how she's called echidna. - Because she has four penis heads. - Yeah, she has four penis heads.

- Do you wanna explain why that's the case, Jerry? - Because there was a meme that I saw in the Sonic fan base of like- - It's always the Sonic fan base. - It's always the Sonic fan base where they were like, "Knuckles has four penis heads." And I was like, "What?" And then apparently if you go onto Wikipedia, you look up like an actual echidna, like the animal that Knuckles is based off. Yeah, echidnas have four penis heads. - Okay, I will admit she's a top tier waifu. She's definitely pulling her weight. She broke a...

Subaru down. - Yeah. - Right. - She like, when she got introduced, she just fucking, I was like, there was some ReZero girls that I liked and then there was Beatrice and then she just came along and destroyed everything. - It's literally that meme with the car drifting. It's like going straight and turning. It's like Emilia drifting to a good note in one short episode. I will admit it's tempting. - Yeah. - But as a knight of REM,

My loyalties cannot be swayed, God damn it. - You are not my queen. - I was clowning earlier how people get serious about it. And then I'm literally now doing the same thing. I do not betray my queen. If I don't trust men who sway their simping, you're weak. Pick a wife and simp. God damn it. - Swaying wife is such a weak mindset. - It's such a weak mindset. You would be a terrible- - What do you even like about Rem? - What do you mean?

- What do you mean? Don't ask such a loaded question. - She's like crude friends in a salad, right? - That's always the best fucking part. The crunchiest part that you can never, you don't have to worry about the amount of dressing on them. All right, Rem never fails to just be there, right? Like Rem's just there, man. You know what I mean? - I don't know, man. - Rem came through, she murdered him. That's hot, first of all. That's hot.

- Basshole. And then she kind of, you know, she became a woo, you know? And I kind of opened to that.

- That's kind of hard. - I'm not gonna lie, I'm very struggling to remember. I just remember that she was loyal to death and it was very endearing. How many times do we get waifus, right? That put their heart on the line like that. And Garnt's like, "Well, let me bring out the notebook." - Let me bring out the massive list of literally probably 90% of waifus out there in different ways.

But I feel like those waifus, they wanted to get the result. They wanted to be the chosen one. Whereas Rem confessed knowing full well she was never gonna be picked. And there's something I can respect about that.

- I don't know about that one, man. I obviously haven't watched enough "Haram anime" 'cause that's like every other girl. - Fuck yeah. - They say that's what they're like, I know you won't pick me, but it's like in the back of the head, they don't want to be picked. Now Rem totally did it, was just like, Chad, like, I know you're not gonna pick me, but I fucking love you and that's okay, King. That's what I love about Rem, man. That's when that single time when she confessed, I'm like, all right.

- I don't know man, didn't she go off on like an entire spiel of like how she wants like a family and stuff and like- - Do you think I fucking remember that shit? - She's like, "I want three kids in a cottage in the hills." - Did she? What the fuck? - I think I remember something like that. - She was pretty set in stone. - You're gonna pick me. - That was definitely like a flash forward or something where she had kids with Subaru. - You can practice your pullout game then. You know what I mean? Like it's fine. - Pull out and pray.

- I mean, that's fine. - If it fails, you can just reset. - You're like, "Shit, I hope the checkpoint was over a month ago. "It's gonna be real awkward." - And she comes back with the results. - You go back to your checkpoint, it's like two weeks, you're like, "Shit, she's still pregnant." You're like, "Fuck, go back."

- We're fucking awful people. - I'm sure there's a fucking doge. - I don't know, I can't remember, I'll be honest. I cannot remember. - I mean, to me like- - Does the king, does like all the knights know why they fight for the king? They're like, "Shit, why are we fighting?" "I don't know, I've just been doing it for like 10 years. "I guess we should keep fighting."

- Yeah, but that's such a weak mindset. - A weak mindset is swaying with the wind, Garnt, like you do, and you, Joey. - I haven't swayed yet. I'm still for Beatrice. - I already know you're gonna sway. I don't need to fucking- - All right, we'll see, we'll see. - Honestly, I was never like- - Joey's literally that meme of the guy, "Ooh." - I was in the Beatrice camp because there was like- - 'Cause you like kids.

- We bringing it there are we Connor? - I don't know what her canon age is. - I'll help you know your honor that she was like a- - This is the problem right? Let's say your waifu is Beatrice or fucking Shinobu. You go into the movies right? You turn up to the fucking restaurant

Table for two? This is my waifu down here. We're gonna sit and hold hands. Come, come to the table. - No, no, no, no, no. - I can't stand the looks I'm gonna get at that restaurant. When I sit down with my fucking 10 year old at the table and we're playing footsies. - Here's the thing, first of all, she's 890. But second of all. - Oh wait, can she drink? She's 890, of course.

- Yeah, no, but here's the thing is that like, at least my viewing of like my anime waifus is that I like them because they're not real.

- Do you know what I'm saying? - We've gone full circle. - I like them, like I don't want them to be real. - Do you want a 10 page thesis on waifu theory? - I can give you a 10 page thesis on waifu philosophy, okay, right now. Like I don't want my anime waifu to be real because it's going back to the whole maid cafe thing where it's like- - Why do you like kids, Jerry? - I don't.

- It's going back to the whole maid cafe thing where it's like, I like it because it's not real. And the moment it becomes real, then you realize, oh shit, this is not cool. - Would you be happy with someone if they fucking murdered you in a past life? And you're like, you know what? We're cool now. You're loyal to me now. But you did fucking murder me that one time. Did fucking like chop off my legs and fucking beat me to death like three times or something. - If it was hot.

- That's not like some people's kink, right? It's like flat lining, but not coming back. It's just like, just actually just fucking dying. - Are we gonna find you in like this decrepit love hotel one day? - People are gonna think I'm into some weird, I assure you. - We're gonna rock up to your fucking like, we're gonna rock up to your dead body and just gonna have the biggest smile on your face. - You're gonna be like died by like as fast as you can.

with like 10 stab wounds and you got like the biggest fucking smile on your face. - I unfortunately am pretty vanilla, but I love the idea of the kinks. - That's what I don't understand about people. - It's the idea of these weird things that you could do that I never wanna do. - But that's the thing, right? It's like, that's the thing. You don't want it to be real.

So you're okay with it not being real. That's how I see my wife. - You're okay with it, with losing. That reminds me of that meme. It's such a weak mindset. You're okay with it not being real. You're okay with not growing. - But that's what I've never understood about people who say that fucking, you know, Gossai is their waifu. I'm like, because they openly are like, oh yeah, I'd love it if she was my actual girlfriend. I'm like, no, you wouldn't. You would not.

You would not want to fucking murderous bitches at your fucking girlfriend. - You can easily, they exist, just go to the asylum. - As an idea, yandere's can be hot, as an idea. But obviously in real life- - It won't be hot. - Yeah. - Absolutely not. - I mean, personally, I found, you know, Gassai, like annoying as fuck. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah, same. - That was not hot. That was just like fucking annoying at that point. - The girl I preferred in "Mirai Nikki" was the fuck's the one with the eye patch?

- Oh yeah. - I found a way more hot. - I like that chick as well. - I found a way more hot than you know. - It's the girl from another, right? - Fuck serial murders, I want terrorists. - Yeah, exactly. - Give me a terrorist wife in Cleveland. - Give me a terrorist wife of Mirai Nikki. I was actually recommending like, so my Japanese tutor, she's a Japanese woman. And she'd like takes my anime recommendations as like gospel. - So I've slowly- - There's your first mistake. - I've slowly been recommending her like worse and worse anime.

And she's been like, she started off really into it. 'Cause I wanted to see how much she'd lie to me. 'Cause I told her to watch "The Future Diary." 'Cause I don't know why it came up. I was like, "Yeah, watch it, watch it." I don't particularly like it. I don't think anyone over the age of 12 can like it. - No, it's very mid. - And so she watched it and she was like, "Yeah, it was good, it was good." I need to think of another one. I recommended "Rent a Girlfriend" to her, but I'm sure she'll be confused by that. - No, you gotta recommend her something that's similar to that, but just worse. - What's worse than that? - Recommend like "Heavy Object."

- I haven't even fucking watched that. - 'Cause that's made by the same person as "Mirai Nikki" but it's a million times worse. - I haven't watched that yet. - Oh, it's so bad. It's so bad. - I'm gonna recommend, you gotta watch- - What are you gonna recommend next? - "Higurashi" but in dubs, I'm gonna recommend. No, no, no, no, you have to watch it dubbed. It's so much better. - That's on Netflix. - Way better than that. - Is it actually? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like the actual, like "When They Cry" dub. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh my God. - I recently rewatched "Higurashi". - Bro, I watched it. So I watched "Higurashi" dubbed 'cause this is back when I never watched sub. 'Cause I was like, no, no.

- I have to watch it. - Subtitles, ew. - Yeah, I used to watch it on a website called Watch Cartoons Online. - Oh my God. - I remember that website. Throwback Thursday. - And I always used to be like, what do you mean there's no dub? Like, 'cause I refuse to watch Attack on Titan for a while. Which is when I just got into anime, I'm like, I don't wanna read.

- Yeah. - You fucking read. Even though I'd been watching, I'd watched every single fucking film that Jet Li was in with subtitles. I don't know why I drew the line with anime. - Every Jackie Chan movie. - Yeah, I'd gone through like all of Jet Li and Donnie Yen and Jackie Chan's filmography 'cause I fucking loved them. Yeah, but fuck, what was I saying? Maylene fucking distracted me.

- You're talking about- - I watched Higurashi 'cause fucking Glass Reflection recommended it. And I was like, "Cool, I'll watch it." I didn't watch the full video 'cause I didn't wanna watch the review. And then later on in the video, I think he says, "Don't watch it dubbed, it's fucking terrible." I think. And I was like, "Well, that would have been nice to know." 'Cause I watched this thing and I'm like,

- What the fuck? This is awful. Why is it called "When They Cry"? - I've never actually seen it. - Oh, it's terrible. - It's terrible. - I kind of want to now. - I think that's one good voice actress in the entire thing. And she stands out so much. - She's carrying it. She's carrying it. - Wait, which character? - I think it's Shion.

- Oh, okay, okay, yeah. - It's like the fucking, like the one teammate on League who isn't feeding. It's like, please just group, just please, I can do it. - Oh, now I need to watch it. I love watching horrible. - I really wish that the license was in limbo for the dubs so that we could just watch it live on Twitch, no problems. 'Cause I would love to do like a, we all watch Higurashi live. - Oh yeah. - That'd be so fucking fancy. - That'd be amazing. - Oh my God.

But yeah, Higurashi Dubs sucks. - Oh, it's okay because the new one's coming out soon. So the remake, which I'm honestly excited for. - It seems like there's a lot, I mean, you've done your seasonal video already. There seems to be like, it seems to be getting back on track on the just amount of anime that's coming out. - It's just coming full circle. We're like, just redo all the good shit. Just redo it all. - I mean, they did it with Feroots Basket and they fucking nailed that. - I mean, they're kind of like doing the Hollywood thing now

I hope it doesn't get to the point where half the season- - Let's just remake everything. - Yeah, I really hope, I don't mind the remakes. I really hope it doesn't get to the point where one third of the season is just remakes 'cause then I'm gonna be like, "Ah." - Well, remember on the trip that we just came back from and we're in the hotel room and they had remade the first episode of "Detective Conan"? - Yeah, I remember that. So we were sitting in a hotel

And there was this, we turned on the TV and lo and behold, there was anime on the TV. - And people are just like, "There's anime on the TV?" - Without subtitles. How do I watch this without subtitles? So it was an episode of Detective Conan and it was like obviously new animation, right? And we don't religiously follow Detective Conan.

- Yeah, so we watched it and I'm like, oh, this must be the new episode. But then the more we watched it, we were like, wait, hold on. I know what's gonna happen next. What is this? This is the first episode, just re-made. - I just felt like Subaru at that point. I'm like, I know what's gonna happen. He's gonna kick that globe. Just watch him kick the globe. And then Joey's like, nah, this isn't the first episode. This is like new animation. I was like, watch him kick the globe. He kicked the globe. And then we're there.

- At that point we realized it was just a remake. - Joey started doing this like mad rain man thing where he started like, Joey was like, all right, and then this is gonna happen. - Yeah, they're gonna get in the roller coaster. - Like exact things. I'm like, Joey, this is just fucking weird. - They're gonna get into the tunnel. He's gonna get the water go on his cheek. They're gonna come out, the head's gonna be the camera. - It was like the Pro ZD video where he just recites all the Peter Pan or something. We were just sitting there fucking amazed. - Drinking our beer, we're like, Joey, stop.

- We're trying to fucking talk, Joey. - I don't know why. - Stop fucking doing this. - It's not that I don't even like Detective Conan that much, but for some reason that first episode just sticks in my mind so fucking much. I surprised myself. I was like, oh wow, I actually got that right. - I am before the comments accusing Joey of being a high functioning autism. - No, with Detective Conan episode one, I am a high functioning autism. I know exactly what happens with everything. - Did you say that?

- I know, 'cause you saw, I knew exactly what happened, like scene for scene. - It was worrying. - And I hadn't seen that first episode in over 10 years. So I surprised myself. - Joey with one beer fully unlocks his brain. - So using 100% of my brain power for that. - Well, that's exactly how it works. Is there anything else you guys have been watching? - Fuck.

- Well, I know I have to watch "Higurashi Dab" now. - Yeah, yeah. - No, I haven't been watching anything. Just been reading manga. - I've been reading manga as well, actually. - Oh yeah? What have you been watching? - There's a new manga I discovered recently that's called, what's it called again? "Records of Ragnarok." - Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. - That's only like 30 chapters old, but my God, it is fucking great. So to describe what it's about. So basically it's what the God of High School Anime should have been.

It starts off with just a tournament talk and it's just been tournament talk this entire time. So the premise is that basically imagine like all gods in every culture has like this council, right? And every few thousand years, they just basically vote on whether they should think they should wipe out humanity or not.

And so this time- - So 2020. - Yeah, so basically 2020, right? So in the first chapter, they just decide, yep, humanity's kind of fucked right now, so let's just put them out of that misery. - Oh, is that fucking "Shu Matsun no Valkyrie" or something? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I didn't recognize the English title. - I didn't recognize your English name. - No, because I was about to say that exact same anime, but then you explained, I'm like,

- No, this sounds like the one I'm just about to talk about. - We're talking about the same show here. - That sounds pretty fucking cool. - No, it's fucking awesome. - Yeah, so then the Valkyries come along and be like, let's give humanity a chance. Maybe they're not total pieces of shit.

maybe give them a chance to defend themselves. And so she suggests that they just do a fucking massive tournament arc. - As you do. - With humans. So it's like a tournament arc of some of like the most famous humans of all time and like the most famous gods of all time. - So fate. - Yeah. - So it's basically just fate, but just it's fate combined with Bacchus

That's how I would describe it. - That's probably the best way to explain it. - Yeah, because it's so fucking over the top and the first chapter just starts a tournament arc and you just have two contestants coming out and just banging the shit out of each other immediately. - God, it's like a train in the UK. - Yeah, but unlike God of High School, you actually get like the backstories and everyone's story as they start fighting. - You're throwing shade, Garnt?

- Are you throwing shade? - I am throwing shade. - I fucking, 'cause right now, yeah, 'cause I'm currently reading through that right now and I'm at the Adam versus Zeus. - Adam versus Zeus. - Like Adam and Eve. - Adam and Eve, Adam and Zeus. - What's he gonna do, eat a fucking apple?

- Yeah, he has an apple in his mouth constantly. - And it's fucking great. That fight is so good. - Adam's so fucking OP. It's so fucking ridiculous. 'Cause Zeus is this fucking like chatters fuck, like massive dude. - Is there like a tier list and a nerfs incoming? - Probably, I don't know. - No, because like the appeal of it is that everyone's fucking OP. And it's like, you get the backstory about how they became OP. So it's like a backy backstory where everyone has done something fucking ridiculous with their lives.

And then they, as you're fighting it out, they like kind of one up each other on like overpowered powers and attacks. And it's yeah, Adam versus Zeus felt like a season finale fight. And that's the second fight. - That's the second fight. - That's the second fucking fight. - That's only volume two of I think currently eight volumes. - Shit, I can't read this. - Yeah, it's fucking great. - Yeah. - And I think the one I'm reading right now is Heracles versus Jack the Ripper.

- I was gonna ask, is there a Jack the Ripper? There's always a fucking Jack. - There's always a Jack the Ripper. - There's always a Jack the Ripper. - There's always a fucking dude who murdered people. It's not anything impressive. - People don't even know if he actually existed. - Yeah, we don't know. - Yeah. - No, but that, no, that, yeah, Heracles versus Jack the Ripper is fucking great. Yeah, I don't know, just,

I love, I know I say this with every fucking manga I recommend, but I fucking love the art. It's just something so, it's gritty, but it's also so inoffensive. Like it's just like a great Shonen. It's just fucking great. - I just love how balls to the balls it is. And like they have no filler. It's just like, you know,

I know you're here for fights. Here's the fight. We'll give you the backstory. Don't fucking worry about it. Here's a hype matchup and let's just fucking go. Chapter one and then when a fight finishes, you get like zero downtime. - It immediately goes to the next fight. - Hell yeah. - Yeah, it's great. - That sounds amazing. - The only thing that's bad about it right now is that there are only 30 chapters.

That's pretty much the only downside I feel about it right now. - I reckon though, if that ever gets animated and it probably will considering that it's really big in Japan right now, I just really hope that they don't fucking stretch that shit out like they did with Baki. I just wish they would just maintain that pace. - Yeah. - Not too bad, Baki's pretty fast with its fights.

- Yeah, but also they throw in a lot of bullshit that the manga didn't have. But then again, the manga also has like some bullshit in it where it's like, I didn't need to know about the back. It's like, there's like Muhammad Ali Jr. It's like his backstory is like,

- It's like 30 chapters long and you see him fight for like two chapters. - Are we about to go on a tangent about Baki? - And then he gets his ass beat. I don't think we have enough time to go on a tangent. - We're not gonna have enough time. - We need like a full episode. - Yeah, we could do a full episode on Baki. - Baki's great. Read it or watch it before we talk about it. - We need to get John on the podcast and just dedicate the episode to Baki. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - No, but it's great. It's fucking awesome. - As you guys know, I've been reading "I Shield 21."

- Oh yeah. - Ah yes, "Eyeshield 21." - So fucking amazing. - I know, it's great. - His art is God tier, bro. - Oh, Murata Yusuke's a God, yeah. - Like there are some panels that like just blow you away. 'Cause like every, like it's an American football manga and you're kind of like with the, I don't know, like the rough squad with a bunch of the crazy characters and the rough around the edges kind of characters. And one of the team captain is a fucking psychopath. - Oh yeah.

- He's amazing. I thought he was the villain when he was first introduced. - He looks like the villain, doesn't he? - But he's amazing. Anyway, the whole manga is super endearing. The story is really unpredictable. Like you really have no idea what's gonna happen. And just, oh my God, the art. The art is so good. - Yeah, so if you don't know Murata Yusuke, he did the art for One Punch Man. - Not the original,

- The redrawn version. - Yeah, like there was a panel where like said crazy character does a throw and he like do an illustration of him like as like a fucking God throwing a ball. It's like a two page spread and it's fucking beautiful. - What I love about that manga and what no other sports manga has managed to match Eyeshield in is the fucking visual metaphor.

- Oh my God. - Visual metaphors is why this manga just works so well. - It's insane. Like, oh my God. - There's just so many like- - The first time I saw him do the fucking devil bat ghost, I did not. - Oh my God. - I fucking nutted. I'm like, that is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen.

It's just like the whole, if you haven't read "I Show 21" and you're not into it, I fucking think American football is the most boring sport on earth. But the manga is so good. - That manga got me into American football. It's like, that's how I learned the rules of American football. And after that manga, I'm like, okay, I can watch American football now. - It's almost perfect. - Are we gonna talk about that one thing?

- Well, okay, there's this whole, there's this arc. I don't know if they appear again, 'cause I'm about two thirds of the way through. Maybe they appear in the end again. So an American team comes over and there's a black guy and his superpower is that he's just black, I guess. And that's his whole thing is that he's super powered 'cause he's black. And that's why he's a great player. And it's just kind of like, when was the manga made?

- It was golden age, wasn't it? It was mid 2000s, I think. - Yeah, it was like mid 2000s. - Mid 2000s, I guess. Mid 2000s Japan, I guess you could kind of see why. - I mean, it was around the same era as the questionable Gantz episode. - And it's like the American team's manager hates black people because he was replaced by a black player in the NFL. And then he refers to like, he's just horrible to refer to them as monkeys all the time. It's so uncomfortable. - It's just like the most bare bones

exploration of racism. - I guess that's why it's like, I guess it would be uncomfortable in real life, but it's so like what someone would think racism is like and not what it is like. It's just kind of like,

- It's a bit over the top. - I don't wanna get into it. - It's over the top. - Yeah, definitely. - It's just kind of like yikes when you're reading it. It's just one big yikes. - It's just so funny to me that the superpower, he has no other superpower apart from just being black. It's just a mutually agreed fact that in the "I Shield" world, black people are just like supermen. - There's so many fucking panels. I screenshot it a bunch where they're just talking about how it's like a superpower. And I was just reading it with my jaw on the ground thinking like, holy fuck.

- This is a thing. - It's poorly aged manga panels. If there's a fucking Twitter account for that. - It's just like all of Africa has just a buff in this universe. Like everyone else is just nerfed. - Oh my God. - There's a line and I'll set the screenshot. "Without a black man's strong yet flexible body, "it is impossible to make that kind of play."

- This is natural born sprinter muscles that only black people have. - Yikes. - I don't know if this, I don't think it's the, I'm not sure if this is the official translation, but still. - Yeah, I'm gonna look at it in Japanese, but I assume it's just as bad. - It's just a massive, you read it and you're like, okay, it's just one. Maybe they won't keep doing this and they keep doing it and it's just like,

- But that aside, it is an amazing manga. And I know some people probably argue, you shouldn't forgive that. It's like, it's fucking 2000s Japan. They didn't fucking know any of that shit. - There were lots of manga who were doing stuff like that. - They were never exposed to it. It wasn't a thing. I get it, they wanted to touch on it, but it's like, all right, just fucking speed run that part. - And there's like a worse way to be viewed than just being good at being a fucking god. - At least they didn't like straight up drop the N bomb.

At least they're subtle about it in a sense. If they drop the N-bomb, then we're like, all right, yeah, maybe it's time we talk about this. - It's just a yikes to read and you're like. - Yeah, it's just like one little thorn that just, it just hurts a little bit. - 'Cause you wanna recommend it and you wanna tell how amazing it is and then you just gotta be like,

- But that's just one thing. - Yeah, that's one thing you should be careful of. - It is an amazing manga. Just be prepared for when you get to that part. This episode of Trash Taste, I wanna say a lovely thank you to the beautiful patrons on screen. - Look at all of them. - Look at these beautiful motherfuckers. - I love them all. - Look at the beautiful names on screen. - This guy is a monster.

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