You Forgot How Cool Dinosaurs Are (ft. @TheGamingBeaver) | Trash Taste #252
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Do you want to introduce yourself to our audience? Yes! Hello, I am the Gaming Beaver, but I do have a real name, James. Yes, which we will be referring to you as for the rest of the podcast. Are you sure? I don't know. Hello, Gaming Beaver, how are you doing today? It'd be weird to start calling you the Gaming Beaver every time we hang out. Yes, very strange. But you, my good sir, are a dinosaur expert.

- Yes, sorry. - Well, I would never say that. - I'm referring to you as the dinosaur expert. - The same way that people refer to me as the anime expert, even though I am, you know, from other people's perspective, maybe, but I would not call myself an anime expert at all. - You're like the Gotham Chess of anime.

- He's like a master. He's not like a grandmaster. But he's like the guy. He's like the guy. - I'm just a guy who partakes in anime every so often. And so we've had a lot of different guests on for a lot of streamers, YouTubers, for a lot of different subjects. This is the first time we've had a dinosaur themed, I guess, YouTuber. - Ooh, exciting. - Yeah. And first question is,

I don't think I've ever asked you this anytime we've hung out because you are part of the extended Geeks Plus family. - Yes. - Why dinosaurs? - Why? Why not? - Dinosaurs are pretty fucking cool. - They are. - They are. - Objectively cool. - There comes a point, I think we all like dinosaurs as a kid and then you branch off. But it always starts there. And then people forget like how cool dinosaurs are. And it was in 2015 when Jurassic World came out like, "Oh yeah, dinosaurs are cool. I remember that."

And that's when I got my sort of big breakthrough then was when I was covering Jurassic World the game. And from there it sort of took off. You've actually been on YouTube for about as long as I have, haven't you? In loads of different channels. Loads of different channels. Like what was your first, what was your very first upload? Because I think you might have uploaded even before I did. Oh,

- Oh God, well, I know that you, what was it, AMVs? - Yeah. - You used to do, I did that for dinosaurs. - Wait, what, are you serious? - AMVs? - Well, they were just like- - Dinosaur music videos? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Hell yeah. - What, you just like have cuts of dinosaurs, like music? - So, boy. - Fair enough.

What you would do is you would Google T-Rex and then you would save all the images and put them in Windows Movie Maker and then put "Three days grace, animal I have become." That's the one you would do. And I call it T-Rex tribute. And then I did Triceratops tribute.

- That's fucking amazing. I did not know that was a thing. - If you type it in, it should be, 'cause my account was called T091, 'cause I made it accidentally. 'Cause it gave you a, back then you just needed a username. And it gave you an example. And I went, oh, T091, there you go. - There you go. - Oh yeah, there it is. - Indestructible. - No, no, no, that's not it. - Oh, wait, that's not you. - It should be. - Is it still up?

T-Rex tribute. T-Rex tribute. Yeah, if you type in T-Rex tribute, it should be up there. I remember it's the Turok screenshot. T-Rex tribute zombie? Is this an entire, like, community? Yeah, you're finding a whole genre. Wait, why is there so many videos called T-Rex tribute? And none of them are mine! T-Rex tribute, I am the shit! Wait!

- So tribute is like music? Like you're making like a tribute to the thing with a musical- - It's literally just a slideshow. Like you would just go in transitions back in the day and just, you know, when something would come up- - Okay, yeah, I know, yeah. - Is this kind of like the equivalent of, you know, back in the day when people would always do like cod montages, you would do that just for like dinosaurs? - The T-Rex montage? - Yeah, I guess so. - Jurassic Park T-Rex music video, 16 million.

- Oh my God. - Seven years ago. That's 17 years ago. - Mine's 18. Mine's 18 years ago. So I think mine is like maybe around the same amount of views. I'm surprised that it's not even commercial. I'd be blacklisted. My other channel has been shadow banned. - You got like 15 million views. - T-Rex tribute. I don't know. I've been a gaming beaver or something like that.

Does it come up? - Yeah, Three Days Grace, T-Rex Tributes. - There's so many of them. - Wow, they're- - And they're all got like stupid amounts of views. - Jesus Christ. - Yeah, because back then, I don't know, you would, there wasn't much content on YouTube, so. - Right. - Yeah. - Yeah, but I don't- - You just watched the same dinosaur video on loop.

Okay, so obviously you wanted to make a dinosaur tribute, right? How old were you when you wanted to make this? I mean, what was that? If it was 18 years ago when I made it, I must have been like 14, 15, something like that? So presumably, yeah, 14, 15. Maybe everyone else has moved on from dinosaurs. What kept you sticking around and enjoying dinosaurs so much? To the extent that you wanted to make a tribute.

I think it's because I saw other people do it and I was like, oh. Because I think even in the description I was like, why can't I have a go? Because I was like, yeah, I could do this. You watch them and you're like, yeah, they're good, but I can make them fail. Yeah, exactly. It was like, no, no, you should put that image in that like hit.

- Sequencing was actually kind of whack. - I can do it a lot better. - 'Cause like, I can't remember for me because I think we were all into dinosaurs at one age, right? - Of course. - At what age did it like taper off for you? I'm trying to remember. - The moment I found out they were gone.

- What? - When they were no longer around. - They weren't cool enough. - I was like, that's fucked up. - What do you mean? - Oh, it was tragedy for you. - What, you discovered they were all gone? - Well, you know, you have toys and you play with the lion toy and you play with the tiger toy and then you see the video of it and then you're like, oh, dinosaur, fucking sick. And then you find out they fucking died.

And then you're like- - Burr went to the zoo and was like, "Where are the dinosaurs? What the fuck?" - I think it was not too far off, something like that. I felt betrayed. I was like, "Imagine being a fucking T-Rex and going extinct. What a pussy." What the fuck? - I guess they weren't that mighty after all. - How old were you when you had this thought? - I think I was like, I must've been like seven or eight when I found out they weren't dead. - Probably you're gonna say like 17.

- Seven or eight, that's pretty late. - I don't know, I'm just guessing. - Wait, do you guys actually remember things before seven? - Yes. - Yeah. - What? - I have a story of in kindergarten, so I must've been what, like what, four or five years old when you're in kindergarten? - Yeah. - Yeah, around that age, right? And you know how every kindergarten class has that,

group assignment, which is like, okay, children, you have to write down, you know, what you want to become when you're older. And then, you know, draw a picture of you when, you know, in doing that job and why you want to be all of that. And, you know, you're four or five years old. Most people are like, I want to be a policeman or I want to be a firefighter. I impressed the shit out of my teacher when I was like,

"Dog, I wanna be a palaeontologist." - Yeah, there we go. - I wanna take up dinosaur, but I wanna be a palaeontologist. And the teacher was like, "Where did you learn that word first of all?" - I was like, "Kindergarten." - I think I was still like shitting my pants. - I was writing down perfectly palaeontologist, perfect spelling as I was shitting my pants.

- I don't remember anything before like age eight. - Really? - No, I've never- - What's your earliest memory then? - I think we had talked. - Did you talk about this? - We briefly talked about this. - I don't know actually. - Connor's brain- - I was in a ball pit. - Oh, okay. - I remember being in a ball pit and feel like I was drowning in the balls. - Oh, classic. - 'Cause I'll tell you my very first exposure to dinosaurs. It was, I'm pretty sure I had this childhood phase where I was obsessed with "The Land Before Time."

- Oh yeah. - Oh hell yeah. - I love it. Have you seen all 11 or 13 of them? - No. - You haven't seen the big water or- - I'm 60 steps ahead of you. - There are 11 of them. I think I remember three, which I don't like my VHS. - His dad appears. - No way. - He finds his dad.

- Yeah, it's voiced by Kiefer Sutherland. - What? - What have I missed in the Land Before Time lore? It's crazy. - Yeah, no, it was like the big promotional thing was like voiced by Kiefer Sutherland. - Oh, damn. - It's dad. - Was this like during like P24 or something? - Oh God, I don't even know. - I only remember watching the first one. - I've never seen the Land Before Time. - Really? - Mine's the Oatsmoke Labyrinth. - You've never seen the first one? - I've never seen any of them. - Oh, you have to watch the first one.

The first one is so well done. Don Ruth, Steven Spielberg, beautiful story. And then after that, they become kids.

- But the second one's got good songs. "Eggs" is the best song in the world. But then it's all like, there's musicals and- - Then definitely more tape was like, you know, kid friendly stuff. But I remember the first one being like a, you know, kind of like the lion king of dinosaurs in my eyes. - The first one was like the kids will enjoy, but also the parents watching with the kids are like, okay, this movie's kind of fire. - Oh yeah, yeah. Like the animation was amazing. - Oh, so good, yeah. - So freaking good.

And then of course, I think the next thing, I mean, Jurassic Park just made everyone obsessed with dinosaurs for like the longest time. Man, I wish I got into dinosaurs. I feel like I missed out. I never really liked that. You could be in this position. You could be the dinosaur. I could be the dinosaur. You never had that phase? I don't think I ever had a phase where I was really into dinosaurs. Really? No. Even as a kid, I think I always thought like fucking aliens or something were cooler. Really? Really?

- Really? Well, as Oscar said, they definitely don't exist. But I'm saying, at least dinosaurs we know exist. - I know, I know. But like, obviously learning more about dinosaurs. I think the closest I got to it was like Spore. I was like, oh, I made a dinosaur. - Oh, you made a dinosaur alien. - And then I was like, hold on, this was kind of cool.

- My dinosaurs kind of fly. - Jurassic World obviously, Jurassic Park is obviously like really fucking good. So you'd watch that as a kid. I feel like that was probably a lot of people's gateway into maybe liking dinosaurs past the normal age. - I don't know, 'cause you are- - Normal age. - Well, I guess not normal, but like expected age, I suppose. - You are the first guy, I think, who didn't have a phase of dinosaurs. 'Cause literally, I was gonna ask you this, 'cause Sydney asked me this question the other day and she's like,

why does every boy like dinosaurs? - No, I like dinosaurs. I just never had a phase where they were my priority. - They consumed. - It's the same idea as why does every boy regardless of age, when they see like a plastic sword, are just like, I gotta swing that shit around. - There's like an innate thing in all boys' brains where they're like, I like this thing no matter how old I am. - I think it's more akin to finding like the perfect stick

- I think that's something that all guys just love. - I don't have to pick it up, but I'm going to. - But it'd be a waste. - It's like finding a rock that's like perfectly round. - And then finding your body of water and being like. - That shit's hard programmed. - Yeah. - It is. - Can't get rid of that. - Maybe it's an appreciation. 'Cause dinosaurs were so long ago and they evolved so perfectly. - That's not me saying like, hey, they're fucking lame. I don't care about this. I just need to have a face. I wish I did 'cause I feel like- - Is that why you brought me on here?

- Yeah, it's an intervention. - Dinosaurs aren't cool. - I already insulted you. I said, "You have to move on from dinosaurs. You have to grow up." - Connor's like, "I was seven when I moved on to dinosaurs." What are you doing, by the way? - I had already filed my taxes at age nine, and you were there fluttering around with your pterodactyls. - I made my first million. - Generational wealth was accumulated by age five, okay?

Okay, I'm curious, right? As a dinosaur fiend, dinosaur lover, there must be some things where people say about dinosaurs, like common misconceptions or any kind of like that, where you're like- They're these fucking uncultured peasants. My pterodactyl. I think if you're really into the- You're just happy to talk about it? If you're a dinosaur, yeah. Yeah, I would say I'm like the average Joe. Would you call yourself a dinosaur otaku? That's-

Is it to that level? Is it to that level? It's a connoisseur. I like that. I partake in the dinosaurs every now and then. But I wouldn't say that I'm up to date on the latest, like, you know, finds and stuff. If it's in the headlines, I'll read it, but I'm not keeping up with papers. Yeah. Um,

But I mean, I have fascinating creatures. - But you know, like, would you say you'd know more than the average when it comes to dinosaurs? - I would be doing a disservice if I said no. - Oh, for sure. - I wouldn't be like, no. Not at all. Yes, yes. - Because if you say you're good at something, then there's always someone who's like,

- Okay, MML, bam! And that's the internet, it humbles you a lot. - I can imagine that pressure as well, 'cause especially in, I guess like the whole dinosaur community where this is very much has a crossover with the scientific community. So you definitely don't wanna get like facts wrong in that community. Whereas for us, I say a shit anime take and people were just like, "What a fucking idiot."

But I mean, there's so many funny things because to keep up to date, I mean, that's all well and good, but then there's always new discoveries which completely change. Like the Spinosaur in Jurassic Park 3 was on two legs and then it became on four legs and because the only one we ever had, like a complete fossil, was destroyed during World War II. Spinosaur? Spinosaurus. Can we see it with this? Spinosaurus. We're going to be doing a lot of stuff. What a cool fucking name. As you can see, it has a long spine. Yes. Spinosaurus. Now,

Now, okay, so the one on the left is from, it's outdated now because that was when we thought it walked on two legs. Whereas now it's more crocodilian with a long rudder tail. Right. But there's been so many changes in Spinosaurus these days that if you type in Spinophorus, like with an F,

You'll find what people are like, this is what we've discovered so far. This is what it could look like. And it's kind of like... Spina forus. Yeah, Spina forus. It's like, well, you know, we only have like three bones. That's completely different. Oh my God. Oh, there's only like three bones? Well, there's not, I don't know exactly how many, but there's not that many. So people made a meme of like making this creature a thing. Like, we have no idea what it looks like. Look, it could look like this. So, I mean, yeah, you can see there, down there, there's some bones that are found and somebody's made a reconstruction of that.

So it's like oh well for all we know it could look like that and have like no legs Obviously it doesn't just got a pelvic bone. Yeah, the fossil was destroyed in World War two. Yes, it was it was bombed in Berlin Oh Fortunately, so we've lost amazing scientific discovery there. Well, I mean it could still be out there. It's yeah, you know What's your take on?

on like what dinosaurs look like in terms of like their color, like their muscle mass, right? - I thought we were gonna go the feathers way. - I was gonna ask about the feather thing too 'cause I heard that they had feathers. - Some did, some avian dinosaurs definitely did. - Well birds are just...

Yes. Well, you heard about Jack Horner and the chickenasaurus that he was making. No, no. Oh, this might fascinate you guys. So Jack Horner is this very controversial figure in the paleontologist world. He is a paleontology guy. He assisted in Jurassic Park and Jurassic Park 3 as supervisor. And he's one of the main reasons why the raptors are the way they are, why they don't stick out their tongues like they were going to originally because they found they're more bird-like.

But he's tried so many ways to do what Jurassic Park did, to take amber or DNA out of the amber ore bone, by grinding it up and stuff. But it perishes too quickly, even with the lab at the dig site. He can't get it out quick enough to get a genome or anything. So he decided to do the next best thing, which is to go to chickens and reverse the evolutionary process.

Because during development, different chromosomes or genes turn on and off in your development. And all the stuff like teeth and tails are there in a chicken's genome. So it's about turning them on and turning which ones off. So when he gets an embryo to a certain state where he can see it's got a tail, it's getting teeth, and it's right, then he'll terminate that.

which is an ethics thing because then you're making a whole new creature. Yeah, you're playing Yod now at that point, right? So my theory is he's definitely got a ranch somewhere.

with loads of these half chicken. 'Cause he said at one point, like he found out- - It's like some Fullmetal Alchemist. - Yeah, definitely. - Who's funding this? - Oh, George Lucas. - George Lucas is funding it? - I'm not even joking. - What? - It's like a meme. - What? - It's nice too. - It's like a creepypasta. - I mean, everyone can search it, chickenasaurus. - George Lucas, chickenasaurus? - I was wondering what George was getting up to with his royalties from Star Wars.

I just want to make a dinosaur. So he found out how to turn the tail on, but didn't know how to make it stop growing. Right.

And then he found out how to get the teeth, but then there was no enamel on the teeth, so they wouldn't be protected. So he basically made a chicken embryo with a huge dinosaur-like tail. Yeah, basically. It would just keep on going. Obviously, there's no pictures exist, because then you're getting into some weird territory with genetic things. But, you know, it's just one of those things with the modern day technology that were, you know, they are there, but like circling it back to feathered dinosaurs, yes, some did, some didn't. Mm-hmm.

And I know that the mainstream audience see dinosaurs as Jurassic Park. - Yeah, the scaly boys. - The scaly boys with the shrink-wrapped heads with all the things. - Shrink-wrapped heads. - Well, if you look at a skeleton of a hippo, it's got these giant bones that stick out, which are the hinges for the jaw muscles. So if you were to recreate that, you might go, "Oh, well, it didn't have this big fatty tissue, "'cause that all rots away in the fossilization process." So when we look at dinosaurs,

If you look at the skulls, it's kind of like how you see them in the movies. Just shrink-wracked. So we don't know for meat, you know, how much thickness they had in certain areas and stuff like that. Yeah, I've always heard of the hippo and, like, dinosaur comparison of, like, yeah, you just don't know because the skeleton of the hippo doesn't look like a hippo.

Oh no, it doesn't. Can we see the skeleton? We're gonna see the skeleton of the hippo. Hippo and dinosaur. So that's a hipposkeleton. That's where the muscles would sit in the jaw. But if you just, you know, you found that, you'd be like, whoa, this thing looked crazy. You wouldn't think it's all this curved shapes around the head and such.

- Yeah. - Exactly. - You just don't know how much meat is around everything. - I'm sure there's some people out there who, 'cause paleontology is the study of rock basically. - Yeah, right. - So there's people who would know exactly which bit, "Oh, that looks a bit more like that." And you can reconstruct that way. - That's one thing that's always blown me away about watching paleontologists actually go out and dig for fossils. I've seen some footage where a paleontologist, I think they're in like,

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- Back to the episode. - Oh, you're one of like the main- - Somewhere in Utah, probably. - Yeah, somewhere in Utah. And then, you know, they're just sifting through these rocks and then he's like, "Oh, I found a good one guys." And they pick it up. I'm like, "Dog, that's a rock." It's crazy how paleontologists can take one look at a rock and being like, "That's either a rock or that is a fossil of a 500 million year old creature." And they just know like that. It's just always fascinated me of like,

how do they spot that shit? 'Cause yeah, again, like if I was there, I'd probably be kicking some rocks around not knowing that one of those is probably a fossil. - Exactly, yeah. - So that was the point where I was like, yeah, maybe paleontology isn't for me.

- When you find out, I gave up on that dream. - When realism sets in and it's looking at rocks, it's like, oh, this is what I have to do like 12 hours a day. It's like, I think I'm good. - You thought you were going to Jurassic Park. - Yeah. - Like I thought as well. - You go to like the natural museum, you know, history museums and stuff like that, see the completed, you know, skeletons of like Stegosaurus and Triceratops and you're like,

- Whoa, like in my head, I was just like, I go out into a desert, I take my little shovel and I dig up an entire- - There's a school of T-Rex. - There it is. - I thought it was like in fucking Animal Crossing, you know, when you dig up the fossils. I thought it was like that. - I'm just kinda sad we don't have any fucking big

I don't have any fucking monsters. - We have the blue whale. - That's the biggest creature that's ever existed. - But that's like a sea creature. - We don't get to see it. - That's disqualified then. - 'Cause like, even if I was in the water, I wouldn't be able to like see it. I would just be like, I'd be too close or too far. - Yeah, you'd have to do that. - I think a lot of it is just something about just a kid that dinosaurs just like tickle the imagination. 'Cause I remember going to the natural history museum as well and seeing,

like the skeleton of like a T-Rex or a dinosaur and just being like, wow, animals are this big and they were that big. - It just gets like the kid imagination rolling, just looking at this giant thing and being like, wow, that thing used to exist. - Yes. - And that's scary.

It's great. It's so scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God damn. I think that's, like you said, why as a kid it does sparks. Then you can be like, you can make your own. Yeah. And we just saw Jurassic World came out. It's like hybrids. Yeah, you can do whatever you want. And it's like, I want to make my own hybrid. Put a T-Rex in the space. Is there, in your opinion, what can be considered as like the basic bitch dinosaur to like? T-Rex. T-Rex. Yeah.

- Is it a red flag if someone's like, "My favorite dinosaur is the T-Rex." - No, I wouldn't just say a red flag. I'd be like, "Okay, okay, fair enough." - Okay, your entry level, okay. - It's like saying your favorite anime is like One Piece. - Where you're like, "Okay, okay." - You only like it 'cause it's popular. - But I would never put somebody down for it. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't mean like that. But in the back of your head, you're just like,

- Do you have a favorite dinosaur then? - Oh, is this faux pas to ask? - No, no, of course not. - Do you have one definitive one? - Yeah, Parasaurolophus. - Wait, which one is it? - It's a hadrosaur, but you know. - Our producer is just like panicking. - Parasaurolophus, that's the one, yeah.

Whoa! That's AI generated, which is unfortunate that's happening on the internet at the moment. But yeah, it's a docile one.

It can make noises through its head, its crest. But I played a game called Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis where you can make your own Jurassic Park. And I remember making a herd of them and just watching them all walk together. I was like, "Oh, this is the coolest thing." Again, it's that brain of like the guy brain. It's like loads of things all looking the same. - "Oh, that looks so cool." - "I have an army of them." - Yeah, an army, exactly. - That's cool. They have the whole skeleton too. - That's sick.

- Herbivore, I assume? - Yes. - Are you a herbivore guy or a carnivore guy? - More carnivore, but again, my favorite is just that. I think it's nostalgia. - I thought most dinosaurs were herbivore. Am I wrong? I don't know why I thought that.

- I don't know about the overall species, but I mean, there's- - I mean, a lot of the famous, like, you know, Stegosaurus, Triceratops, they're all herbivores, right? Supposedly. - Oh, yeah, most were plant-eaters. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I feel like this is just like normal, right? Like most chains of biological species is mostly- - It would have to be, right? If there's more carnivores, that makes sense. - They would just eat each other at that point. - It's just the energy reserve of the world, right? - So how did you decide this was your favorite?

Oh, well I told you that I played that just before. Genesis just- Oh, oh, that's the one that made it your favorite? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there was an old game and it was- It looks like a hammer. Yeah, it didn't use it for combat though. Maybe it did, maybe it did. Just impale somebody like a- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hook itself onto the trees. Yeah, that's how it got away from carnivores. It jumped and just hung there and stayed still. Its vision's based on movement.

- So like after being like into the dinosaur world for so long, has it ever like changed your, how you view films like Jurassic, like the original Jurassic Park, for example? - Well, it changed how people view me, definitely. 'Cause then you become the dinosaur guy. I remember- - Everyone does refer to you as the dinosaur guy. - Yeah, I suppose, yeah. - I actually felt so bad because, okay, so this is like- - Oh, it's okay. - This is like a behind the scenes thing, but before James joined Geeks Plus,

It was mostly just Trash Taste and our personal channels and Meilin. And Meilin comes to the Trash Taste office one day and she's just like, "Oh, I might have a new sign for Geeks Plus." And we're like, "Cool, who is it?" - Which anime YouTuber? - Yeah, which anime YouTuber is it? And she's like, "Oh no, he's really into dinosaurs. He's like a dinosaur guy." And we were just like,

- What? And before you joined, we literally referred to you as the dinosaur guy. - Yeah, well, yeah, fair enough. - We didn't know anything about him. I was like, oh, the dinosaur guy. - And I felt so bad when, 'cause the first time I met, I told you this story, I remember you saying,

- Yeah, the kids at school always used to call me the dinosaur guy. - It's that or like Chandler from Friends. That's what people say. - Oh, so you like Chandler from Friends. - Or the dinosaur, and I just went, oh shit, I'm no better. - You've always been the dinosaur guy? - Yeah.

I admire the dedication. I wane in my hobbies occasionally. Well, I had a point when I was in primary school. So I was about seven or eight when I had a girlfriend. I say girlfriend. She was a stegosaurus. She was real. She was 80 foot tall. She weighed five tons. She was a haggosaurus. I remember one day, because I never thought about how people see how I view dinosaurs. They saw them the same way I did.

And then she said, oh, why do you like dinosaurs? And I listed some things and said, oh, I think they're scary. And I was like, oh. And then I was like, wait, does she think I'm scary by liking scary things? Am I a predator? And then I sort of just played it down.

- So I never put it out there too much. - I feel like that's like the arc of being in school, right? You kind of learn, I'll just pretend I don't like the things I like. And then after a while, when you get older, you're like,

- I'm just gonna let people know I like that. - Oh God. - You just brought back a fucking core memory, man. - Oh yeah? - 'Cause I feel like talking to you, I feel like we have very similar experiences, but I went like the anime route and you went like the dinosaur route. - Of course, of course. - 'Cause I remember the thing that I, like people are asking me why I hadn't grown out of this thing was specifically Pokemon.

- It was Pokemon that. - Oh yeah, Pokemon. - That was like a massive craze. We went through, you know, it got massive in the UK. People were trading Pokemon cards.

And then the trend died off, but I still continued following Pokemon and watching the anime and stuff. And I don't know why it was like, it's obviously with girls as a boy, right? - Yeah, 'cause you're not cool. - Yeah, I remember. - 'Cause you meet a girl and you're like, I'll just change everything about myself. - Yeah, it's fine, I won't hate this. - 'Cause I remember it was in class one day and I took out like a Pokemon pencil case

And some girl like scoffed at me and laughed and like, "You still like Pokemon?" And I'm like,

- No, no. - That day I threw it out, turned up, I put it on fire and I'm like, okay, I have now learned- - Sorry, my cousin's pencil case must have been so bad. - He's two, he's done. - Yeah, he's done, he's whatever. Don't worry about it, it's not mine. - And I think that just taught me as a kid, okay, never mention anime or cartoons in public ever again. The girls will laugh at you and think you're weird.

- Well, I mean, we both grew up in the UK, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And yeah, things were fatty for a bit. And then when the fat goes down, it's not cool to like it anymore. And I had that with Pokemon around gen two, at the end of gen two, it got uncool. And then you don't talk about it anymore. - Exactly, 'cause- - Yeah, if you start talking about Diamond and Pearl to your classmates, they're like- - Oh yeah, yeah, but then you became the Pokemon guy. - I did that, and that's why I ended up with no bitches. - Dude, I remember like my parents, I can't remember what age it was, they'd be like,

- They were like, so Connor, when are you gonna stop watching cartoons? And I had like an existential crisis about the fact that like, I thought like, oh, I have to stop watching cartoons. They were like, yeah, we don't mind you watching TV, just watch like real stuff. - Damn, that's fucked up to say. - I was like, damn, okay. And I remember like sitting there trying to watch fucking, we have a show called "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here." - Oh God, I know that. - I remember sitting there trying to care about any of this.

and like trying to be like interested so that like I would like this and not cartoons. And then eventually it was a losing battle. - It was the opposite for me. Like I was getting around to like 12, 13, you know, still watching Cartoon Network and stuff. And I was like, man, is it like, is it not cool for me to watch these anymore? Like, should I be watching something else? Meanwhile, my dad would barge into the living room being like, "Out of the way motherfuckers, Samurai Jack's coming on."

- It's like sit your ass down boy, watching Samurai Jack. And I'm like, okay, it's still cool to like. - Cool. - Yeah. - 'Cause it could happen with anything, right? It all depends on if you've got that good influence. Like I got into video games because my mom, she'd play like a Super Mario World. - Oh, sick. - She's island and stuff. - Hell yeah. - So I would play the games through her and stuff. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, right on. - Yeah, 'cause like, I think I went through so many phases as a kid.

I kind of realized dinosaurs is also one of them. One weird phase I went through as well. I went through a bug phase and looking back, I swear this must be a fucking- - Bug people are weird people. - They are, they are. I can't lie. But like something about, 'cause the reason I got into them was this must be a fucking ADHD thing or something. But like as a kid, I could just watch ant colonies for like-

- Ever. - You'd lift up a rock and just be like, whoa. - I mean, the Alconis are cool. - And like the way that you just, as a kid, you're like, how is this so like structured? How do they have a system? - They have like expressways. - Yeah, they have expressways and shit like that.

- No traffic. - And they'd like be able to like just carry shit like fucking massive things together. - My respect for ants went up after I watched the animated ants movie. - Oh, ants or was ants not book loads? - With a Zed. - Oh yeah, ants. - The DreamWorks version of the bugs movies. - Dude, I remember getting like horror nightmares at those things. - I fucking love that movie. - They look scary. - They do look scary.

- And like show the other characters. - The big buff one is played by Sylvester Stallone. - Yeah, I know. - Yeah, the fourth image there. Yeah, that one, that guy.

- It's a good movie though. - Look at that jawline. - Oh my God. - That's Sylvester Stallone as an ant. - Of course. - That's not the guy that loses his head, is it? - I remember that in a movie. - No, no, no, no. That's the main villain, right? - Is it? - I think so. - It's been so long since I watched this. - Fuck ants. - Yeah, so I remember going through a phase where I just collected,

- I don't know why. - Oh right. - I was literally that kid in school. - I just did my first time learning those bug magazines. - There is, there is. - What is it like the latest drop of bugs? - It was literally, I think it must be targeted towards children. 'Cause it was like a very thin magazine. It was literally called just Bugs, B-U-G-Z. - That's all it has to say at the end. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's how you know it's targeted towards. - Bugs. - That was cool back then. - Everything was Bugs. - Yes! - Was it those? - Oh my God. Oh my, oh my God.

- Oh shit. - I mean, it has an S at the end, but I get your point. - Okay, okay. - That looks like it. - Okay, yeah, it was that. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - I was terrified. - Bugs! - Yeah, I don't know why I went through this phase, but I- - No, I get it though, because I also had like an encyclopedia book of insects. And I remember getting into that. I remember I used to like practice drawing.

And then my mom, I think, or my dad bought me like another encyclopedia full of dinosaurs. And I remember like when I was what, first, second, third grade, all I would do is just to have this encyclopedia of dinosaurs open and I would just draw the dinosaurs. And that was the fucking best. - That's like peak kid moment.

- It's pink in the moment. - And I was like, these are sick as fuck. - No worries in the world. Draw whatever you wanted to. - Just draw the dinosaurs. - Draw the dinosaurs. Bring that back, bro. - Didn't everybody have a dinosaur encyclopedia or species just you'd flick through? - I had one. - It could just be me. - I had one. - I remember I had, it wasn't like an encyclopedia. It was like a...

- Talking to you is just unlocking so many memories for me. It was like a CD-ROM or something. It was like a CD-ROM game that had dinosaurs in it. - Yes, it was a museum, was it? - Yes, I think so. - I had a friend who had that. - Like the Microsoft dinosaurs CD-ROM? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like a virtual museum? - It was something like that. - It was meant to like teach you about dinosaurs. I remember just playing it as a kid.

- I think I bought, well, I didn't buy it. I had it and I thought it was gonna be a dinosaur game, but it wasn't. It was just like, yeah, something like that. - I think it was that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Holy shit. - This was like, there were copies of this at my school. - You can still buy it, 40 bucks. - Fuck yeah. - Oh, what?

- Yeah, an interactive journey. - Yeah. - Into the world of dinosaurs. - Did we all get the same experience? - I think every, Microsoft must have dealt this out to every school. - Man, I never got this. - Really? - No. - You lived in a place where just dinosaurs were like outlawed. - I guess they didn't fuck with them in Wales.

- There was no Welsh dinosaurs. - But I hate bugs too. And bugs feel weirdly close to dinosaurs in my head. I don't know why. - You think so? - Even though I know that they're pretty awesome. - They've been around all the time. - Yeah, I was gonna say. - 'Cause sometimes bugs, you look at them and you're like, "What the fuck happened? "What the fuck was that?" - Why do you have so many eyes? - But I love that. They're like aliens. - Dude, it's the- - It's so cool. - It's the fucking deep ocean fucking bugs that freak me out.

- Oh. - You see those spiders and stuff on the deep ocean floor? - Yeah, I have. Okay, is this just a my experience thing, but I'm trying to think, 'cause there were a few girls in my school. So the boys are into dinosaurs. - Out of the box. - So the boys are into dinosaurs and there were a few girls for some reason who were into sharks.

- Did you know anyone like that? - No, I would have bagged them for sure. - They did not exist in my school. - If I was in like fourth grade, so what? Like if I was like 10, 11 and a girl was like, I love sharks. I'm like, you're my wife. Like I would think you were the coolest girl in the school. - There's always a horse girl. - Yeah, there's always a horse girl. - Sharks is something that is, I guess,

- I don't know, there's a whole fucking shark week thing. I've never been into sharks. So I don't know what the appeal of like just sharks. - I'm from Australia, we had no choice. - I guess that's true. - You have to be into sharks purely so that when you go into the ocean, you can protect yourself. - You know what to look out for. - Yeah, that was an educational thing. - Yeah, it's like, oh no shark, we good dog.

Megalodon is like the biggest shark that ever existed. And of course you had the Meg series, which really skyrocketed that. Here's a question for you then. Do you think the Meg exists? No. Unequivocally no. No? No, because what's it eating? You're talking about Megalodon was a surface predator that ate and feasted on baleen whales, so there would be carcasses or whales showing up with massive chomps out of them. And you would see a Megalodon because it would be on the surface.

It would be looking down... It never existed? It did exist. Oh wait, what? Really? Yes. Did we have like a skeleton of it or anything? Was it two or twenty million years ago? It's not that long ago Megalodons existed. I know they exist, but there's like rumors going around being like they might exist, they're just in the deep sea now. Oh well that's because we always want to believe in cryptids and all this jazz, isn't it? Yeah, I mean for the long sum, I thought Megalodon was just a made-up creature. I guess Connor did for... I thought it was fake.

Oh, surely they would come up with a crazier design than just a big shark. Well, honestly, I kind of thought that's typical Hollywood laziness. Yeah, I suppose. Shark but pig. It's relatable. People know. Because I never watched that movie because it seemed like the peak airplane movie. It was definitely a popcorn movie.

- And I was not willing to give it the time of day. I like Jason Statham though, but yeah. - Jason Statham and Shark isn't, no, no. - But it just seemed like one of those movies that was meant to go straight to DVD after that era already went. - Oh, you're talking about like sci-fi. Like Shark Octopus versus Giant Crocodile. - Movies that were like just bad.

- Sharknado. - Sharknado, that kind of stuff that was just meant to turn a profit on DVD. - I mean, Sharknado is pure cinema. I'm just gonna say that. - It's not just that, but like every time I go to America and there's always like 10 million Megalodon

documentaries and I use the term documentary 'cause they give off the same vibe as like the History Channel doing like alien pyramid documentaries, you know what I mean? So for a long time I was just like, oh, this is kind of like Loch Ness Monster. - A made up thing. - It's kind of like a mythical thing that we don't know if it did or never existed. And it was only recently that I was like, oh wait,

People think there is evidence that this definitely, definitely did exist. - Just another reason to fucking hate the ocean. - I think I became aware of Megalodon because at the Sydney Aquarium,

They had like a huge shark exhibit, obviously, because we have a lot of sharks and especially off the coast of Sydney. And there was this like, there's this particular area that I remember perfectly where they took all of like the mouth skeletons of each of the different sharks in order of size. And I remember being, you know, starting off like really, really small, like the Mako shark or whatever. And then it would get up and, you know,

you'd think at the end would be the great white, right? Because it's like, oh, that's the biggest shark there is right now. And then right next to it, it's just this giant fucking megalodon. And I was just like, yo! I can fit inside of that shit! And I was like, yeah.

Ocean's scary. Oh, yeah. I hope this thing doesn't exist anymore. And, you know, we as a species existed during the same sort of time. Yeah. Your ancestors could have went in the ocean. I mean, 3.6 million years ago is not that long ago if you think about it. No, I mean, that's probably at the end stages when they're probably maybe getting a little bit smaller. But yeah, like... Why did they go extinct?

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but the theory is that they went into decline because whales started going into colder waters and they needed warm waters. Study from 2022 suggests that competition with great white sharks for food. Yes, and smaller sharks sort of

superseded them in the food chain and unfortunately they just went extinct. - Outplayed. - They did. - Size isn't everything unfortunately. - Kind of a skill issue. - Actually just a skill issue there. - But I mean, the things in the water during the time of the dinosaurs as well are fascinating. - Oh my God. - Way bigger than the T-Rex. - The ocean dinosaurs are some of my favorites. - What are the ocean dinosaurs?

What's the one with the fins, the four fins? Oh, you plesiosaurs? Plesiosaurs. You got plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, mosasaurs. Mosesaurs? Yeah, mosasaurs. A mosasaur. You can't just eat. Mosasaurs. Mosasaurs. Yeah, plesiosaurs is my favorite underwater dinosaur. Yes, that's one with the long neck.

- Yeah, yeah. These guys are sick. - This is subnautica. - Yeah, this is. - Well, I mean, they've got to get their insurrections done. - Look at that. - What the fuck is that? - That's so cool. - So it would use its neck to get into a shoal of fish and snap them up without the fish sort of realizing is the theory.

But that's what it would do. What a fucking terrifying creature. And then Mosasaur was, I think, the biggest prehistoric sea creature that existed. Especially just that with a cup of its time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Mosasaur was crazy. They got some crazy lengths, those things. Yeah.

- Jesus. - Hell yeah. - I know that there's like- - That's just a giant like crocodile almost. - With flippers. - Yeah. - It's crazy how the whale just managed to just stick around. - Well, if you type in Basilosaurus or Basilosaurus or something like that, a dog called Basil.

So it's, as Nigel Marvin would say, it's a whale on diet pills. So this is at the time when there wasn't cold. They didn't need blubber to stay warm. So it was more like a swift sort of, and this was, I think, around that time with Megalodon as well. But their teeth was, it was way more predatory looking, like massive teeth of crushed bone and such. Oh, wow. Before the baling whales with the bristles decide to just...

you know, I would compete everything. I mean, look at it in terms of like next to like the Orca. Yeah. I think it's huge. Yeah. Orcas are huge. Yeah. You ever see one in person? Fucking massive. Orcas just look a lot less threatening. Yeah.

- They do, they do. - Deceivingly so. - That's way too deceivingly friendly. - Dude, underwater apex creatures fell off. - I feel sad that my only knowledge of orca is just those shitty SeaWorld documentaries. But I've never heard of what the orca, what's its place in the natural ecosystem. - It has no natural predators.

Oh no. What does it do? Just fucking vibe? Does it eat? What does it eat? It eats. It's an apex predator. Yeah. They go for seals, right? They have their own, depending on the pod as well, the family they live in, they have their own language. And depending on where they are in the world, some only eat fish, some only eat mammals.

And they teach each other how to hunt. They'll teach each other how to breach when they're young. So to grab the seal from the shoreline. So they teach that with their calves. They're like the wolves of the ocean. They are very, very intelligent, which is why it's so sad when you see them in, you know. And there's so many people, I mentioned once about how it's a bad thing to keep

orcas and intelligent creatures in captivity. And I'd say to him like, "Oh, they're well looked after." I'm like, "Look at it, look at its box it lives in. You can't tell me that it's loving its life." - Boy wants to rip a seal apart, not bounce a ball on its fucking yard. - Yeah, he wants to flick its tail. And that's another thing, they actively do that. They have fun with their food, which is devastating for the food, but they're having fun.

- Just makes you think that if we actually, if dinosaurs were still around, we would definitely find a way to- - Jurassic Park it. - Jurassic Park it. - Oh my God. - 100%. - I mean, if dinosaurs were still around, it'd just be a zoo. - It would be. - Just a much bigger zoo. - Yeah, huge. - Than the zoo. - What we have now. - Which is why I never understood the main plot line in Jurassic World was people are bored with dinosaurs now.

It's like everyone stops going to zoos because they're bored of elephants. I've seen that before. I never understood that. And it's the only place in the world to go see them. And it's like, nah, nobody likes us. It's like, no. If that exists in real life, it'd be like fucking Universal Studios and Halloween. It'd just be like, bank a bank of people. I always wondered in the dinosaur community how they felt about, I guess, first of all, Jurassic Park.

Did they, were they, was it like unanimous love of the thing or is it kind of controversial in some circles? I think Jurassic Park was the dinosaur community's big bang event. That's where it started. So you never can speak ill of Jurassic Park. But what about its sequels and how it- Oh,

- The modern day Jurassic Park. - 'Cause I didn't watch Jurassic World. - I did, I didn't like it. - You didn't like it? - You didn't like it? It's just Jurassic Park but modern. - Yeah, and it was like- - You have Owen Grady on a motorbike with the raptors and you know, that was a deleted scene in the Lost World, the sequel to Jurassic Park that never got in there, but I will admit that was cool. I was like, yeah, okay, that's cool. A motorbike with raptors running alongside, that's awesome. But it was Jurassic Park 3 where the series I felt went- - Yeah, Jurassic Park 2 was great. - And most people did.

And that's because they killed the T-Rex with the Spinosaur. And that was all because, do you remember GMTV? That's the reason why you're not on TV, yeah. The director, I think Frank Marshall, maybe, I don't know, it's somewhat different. Anyway, the director was on there and he said the only reason he did it was to, well, we need a bigger thing. A bit like the Megalodon, right? We need a better, bigger thing. People are getting bored of the T-Rex. We need something to kill it. And I was like, you ass. And I was like,

I went in the cinema when I watched that. I remember when that fight happened. I was so invested that when it ended, I didn't realize I stood up.

I just caught myself like, "Unbelievable!" - You were like, "This is impossible." - As a kid, you know, and that dog was like, "Turk, there's a dinosaur fighting, it's what you wanna see." Nowadays, you can Google anything and it'll be there. - It's like scientifically inaccurate. - It's like, "Mike, they took down my goats, no way." - It's like the dinosaur of like WWE matches, you know? - Yeah, it was, it really was. - When like the champion goes down, you're like,

- No way. - That was like Marvel Civil War with Jurassic Park 3 and it spawned Spino Fanboys, which became a term. - Right. - Spino Fanboys. - Spino Fanboys, it became a term. - That sounds like a spino bifida. - Spino bifida. - Spino Fanboys. - Oh my God. That does make me wanna, okay.

- You want to know all the dirt. - In the anime community, we always have like, oh, this character would be this character. In the dinosaur community, is that- - Oh yeah, 100%. I have like a series where I do battle royales and I put all the dinosaurs together and see who wins.

- What are the S tier dinosaurs? What is like the Goku of like- - The Goku of dinosaurs. - The most powerful. - The most powerful, yes. - Okay, well, as far as apex carnivores go, you've got, of course you've got T-Rex. - Yeah, of course. - T-Rex. - Yeah. - Carcharodontosaurus is another big one. - You're gonna have to repeat that one again. - Imagine a T-Rex, but instead of teeth that were thick and were meant for crushing bone, it was razors.

So it would like slash its prey. Mapusaurus is another one. What was your third one? Cacau-saurus? Carcharodontosaurus. It's Latin. Sorry, great white is Carchara something as well. Yeah, right. And you have Acrocanthosaurus, Spinosaurus, of course. Isn't there the T-Rex actually that has like actual big arms as well? I remember reading this off in...

- I'm trying to picture that in my head. - I think it was way after the T-Rex. I remember reading it in my dinosaur encyclopedia and being like, why is this one not talked about? This is T-Rex with actual arms. - It might be the Giganotosaurus. - I'm sorry, a what? - A Giganotosaurus. Like a Giga-chan.

Giganotosaurus. Yes, this guy. Oh, yes, this guy. Yeah, this is the guy. This was the one that was known to be bigger than the T-Rex. Yes, yes, yes. This is what I remember. Oh, this is bigger than the T-Rex? Yeah. I love that you've got so many different ones. You've got the nude.

- When does this exist? Does this, the same time as the T-Rex? - Late Cretaceous period, yeah. So, oh no. - I think that's what I, that's me in the morning, late Cretaceous, what does that mean, late Cretaceous period? - So you know there's periods in the time. - Yeah, there's periods. - I know there's periods, I don't know the names. - So you have the Triassic, which is when dinosaurs were just getting their foothold, when early mammals were sort of dying out.

Okay. And we hung on throughout millions of years to get to where we are today as rodents and little things. We were just like playing the long game while dinosaurs were having their time. So then you had Triassic, then Jurassic, which is known for its giant sauropods and stuff like that. And then Cretaceous. And then each one of these is divided by massive extinction events. Of course, Cretaceous is the asteroid. Yeah.

Yeah, right. Hit Earth, blocked out the sun, created the Ice Age and everything. Died almost, basically. What's your favorite period? Ooh. Probably Cretaceous, just because it's got the best. It's got the triceratops. It's the highlight. Before they fell off. Before they were unceremoniously ended by God. The deletion process. Enough of this. You're too peak. Die. Reset. Cretaceous period dinosaurs.

It's ironic that a lot of these ones showed up in Jurassic Park, even though- - Yeah. - Well, Cretaceous Park just doesn't have the same name. - It won't sell tickets, Cretaceous Park. - Cretaceous Park now. - Cretaceous is ocean animals. - Cretaceous, too many words. - I remember I saw a meme ages ago of- - Ankylosaurus. - It was one of those- - Yeah, armored.

Oh, that's the one with the giant ball at the end, right? It's got the club on its tail. This guy's sick. Yes. Look at this guy. Would this be an STA in terms of power rankings? I've killed this in Monsters. It's like Raffalos. Yeah, yeah. So completely armored. In fact, one of the amazing fossils found was an intact version of this with its skin and armor. Exactly the way. Yeah, I don't know. There it is. There it is. Whoa!

Borea pelta, I think it was, or something like that. But basically an ankylosaurid. How the fuck was that kept so well? I think because this fossil, when it died, it floated out to the ocean. And of course it was upside down when it was found. So the theory is that it was floating, of course, when you die, all the gases. And then that popped and it fell down in the silt and it was preserved.

Really well that way and that's why the back is is just almost perfect like you have textures. That's a fucking Pokemon man The amazing thing is to think that someone had to carve that from the rock and go that's bone No, don't go there a little bit more a little bit more. Yeah, if you see the process It's it's literally just carving it out exactly the way it is without digging into because you could so easily just smash a bit off

- Yeah, yeah. - It's nerve wracking. - Exactly, exactly. - It's like the jackpot. - It sounds very calming though. Can you just imagine your job is just like, just sitting there for like, just in silence. - I think they just gotta bring in those guys that made them the like Renaissance carvings. Those guys would get it done in two minutes. - Probably. - They'd be like, oh yeah, this will be easy. - Give me my chisel. - If only we'd fossilized those guys. We still have them.

- I noticed Velociraptors wasn't up in your S tier. Would you say they're overrated? - Okay, Utahraptors is basically what they're based on. Never guess where that's from. - Utahraptors, yay! - Utahraptors? - Utahraptors. - Yes. - Are they Mormon?

Well, no, but they did live in a Mormon land. Wow, it actually exists. Wow. Utahraptor. Yes. At the moment, there's a project called the Utahraptor Project where- Oh, it's feathered. Yes. Jim Kirkland, at the moment, he's excavating a massive find of them. These guys were- There it is. These were the ones that you'd see in Jurassic Park. That size. Velociraptor was about the size of a chicken. Yeah.

And it was feather. This one did have its plumage as well. And he goes into detail about how it would hunt. Like it could have all these feathers underneath. It would sprawl out, fristle, you know. Wait, wait, wait. Velociraptors were chicken sized? Yes. They were that small? They lived in Mongolia, I think it was. Or where they were found, sorry. I thought they were like the size of like a human. Yeah. I mean, that's from Jurassic Park. Utahraptor. Utahraptor. That's what these are based on. That's fucking cool. And it was Deinonychus, I think, technically they based it on.

Which is, again, a similar size. My mind has been shattered by Velociraptor. These guys, it's theorized, were probably more successful than T-Rex. Because if you think a pack of these working together with the claws that they could just slash out, jumping onto a car, they would slice anything up. And then the T-Rex, Jack Horner believes it was 100% a scavenger. Never hunted. And it would probably feast on the leftover carrion of...

Utahraptors. So these guys are like the hyenas, whereas the T-Rex is like a lion. What's the point of being that big if you can't kill anything?

- I don't know. - Just intimidate. - Yes, size intimidate. - Very few are probably gonna kill it. - I don't believe it was solely a scavenger. I think that's a bit too much for the T-Rex. Of course it can hunt if it- - Is there like controversial opinions like this in the dinosaur community? - Oh yeah, like again, T-Rex just being a sole scavenger. - People are like, "No, it can't be. My T-Rex, no." - "My best boy." - What are some other hot takes in the dinosaur community that people- - Oh, well of course Spino would beat T-Rex in a fight. That's always the-

- I just love how you boiled everything down no matter what the community. - You have no idea. - The hot takes are just, I think X can be X and you're like. - Do you ever get annoyed when you see those like pictures of like, you know, the stock photo pictures of like dinosaurs and they're all there. And then, 'cause I remember I saw a meme of like, I think it was like a picture. It was probably like AI generated or something. A picture of like a T-Rex standing next to a Sagasaurus. - Oh right.

- They lived in completely different time periods. - Stegosaurus died 90 million years before T-Rex was around, it's fake. - I probably did when I was a teenager. I was like, "No, it's not right." But now I'm like, they just don't know what they're, I mean. But you're speaking about the AI stuff, yeah, that is a big problem now. 'Cause when you type in a dinosaur, it happened even then when you did that, an AI generated image came up. - Yeah, right. - And that is, I don't know.

What do we do about that? Right, right. I saw the same for like William Shakespeare. An AI image came up when you Googled his name. What, really? Yeah, some other shit like that where you're like, this is ruining everything. Well, he's one of the people we don't even know what he looked like, I think. At all. Some of them, I think they might have gotten rid of it because people made a big stink about it. But there was a couple for a while where there was like AI images that popped up. Right. Of what he might have looked like. Well, it was just like when you typed in his face, it was just like, oh, sorry, we took William Shakespeare and AI picture. Actually, we'll go back.

That one looks AI. That looks like Madame Tussauds, I would say. That looks like a recreation. This is the worst part, right? You can't fucking tell which one's which. But there's going to be way too many. You start second-guessing yourself a lot of the time. You're like, I don't want to be a dick and say this is AI. It just gives the feeling of AI. But if I'm wrong, then I feel like a dick.

- I feel like it's gonna get to the point where instead of having to mark what's AI, we're gonna have to mark what's real. - What's real exactly. - Like, all right, real, like a little symbol on it to be like- - Certified real. - Well, I guess that's where signatures come in, I guess.

Right now, now you need that. Yeah, you're going to have to. Yeah. I mean, I think there should be some kind of like digital footprint on like a piece when an AI generates a piece of media to be able to identify that this is an AI generated piece of media. Don't know how you do that, but...

- Someone's gotta figure this shit out, I think. - I remember you mentioning something to me and I think you were gonna tell me this story, but I think it didn't happen for some reason where you had bought some car.

Oh, do we do this? I did think about talking about this. We can cut it if you don't want to talk about it. No, no, no, no, no. Completely fine. The guy's been arrested, which is great. Wait, what? I didn't even know that. I don't know. I just know that you had a story with a car from Jurassic Park. You can't start a story like that. The guy's in jail, which is really good. But anyway, yes, to even get there, we're cutting to the end. It's like an anime, you know?

At the end already. How did we get here? Three days earlier. Okay. I remember you like exclaiming, you were like, you were going to tell me the story and it sounded like a lot, but then I think for some reason I had to go or you had to go or something. It needs its time.

Okay, do you want to talk about it? Well, we've got time. We've got time. So, of course, I'm a fan of Jurassic Park. I had the toys growing up. What do you do when you're an adult? You have the real thing. So I bought a Ford Explorer, the right thing, Mark I or something, and I imported from somewhere in Savannah. That was it. I remember that.

And then had it-- - Savannah, Georgia. - Savannah, Georgia. - God bless. - Because there's no ocean there, I think. It's just all, so no rust. So I had it all done, painted and everything. So it looked exactly like the ones in the movie. And it had the paint job and I was gonna do the interior. - The Jurassic Park one. - Yeah, Jurassic Park.

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on my phone. And I also have the Jeep as well, the Jeep Wrangler, where they see the Brachiosaur. Oh, nice. That one as well. Hell yeah, hell yeah. So I had, I had this, but the difference was I didn't have the bubble roof because

because of course that's like a whole thing. You have to cut a hole in the roof and everything. - Yeah, that's fucking sick. - That's a custom job. - So yeah, I had this and then- - You had this? - Yeah, I do have this. - Why? Yes, I wanna see this. - I'll show you a video. - Oh my God. - But yeah, I mean, that's it there. - Oh my God. - So it has the bubble roof on it. - Oh, that's sick. - That's so cool. - This must have been like a dream come true. - Oh yeah. - This is like a Scooby Doo fan buying the mystery machine. - Yeah, that's it. So it's not-

- Not only did I- - So you like going around the UK driving that thing? - Yeah. - Hell yeah. - I do have the Jeep as well. - Oh my God. You got both? - Hell yeah.

Bro's got adult money. I'm like, my inner kid is coming out, man. Just looking at all that. So I did the interior as well. So it has the, it doesn't have the speedometer and everything. Yeah. So yeah, I have that Jeep as well. That's so sick. That's so cool.

cool. Yeah. But yeah, so it's, I tried to get it like screen accurate. So I had the seats redone, reupholstered. So there's no headrest. Oh, right. Obviously when you're looking around in a tour vehicle.

Oh, all the consoles. You don't want a headrest blocking you. So, well, I don't know how legal it is. But yeah, so it's got the consoles in. There's a little Apple Mac in there as well, which plays a tour program that the fans have made. There's a Jurassic Park motor pool. Shout out to my guys at Jurassic Park Motor Pool who put together the tour program and put all the paint codes and everything for the colors and stuff. Yeah, but it gets...

A bit dodgy when, before I had the bubble roof on and everything, I had a guy message me and said, oh, I do all these American cars. If you want any work done, message me. I was like, oh, cool. Yeah, I've got an Explorer. He's like, oh, yeah, I can easily do the bubble roof. Pass it to me. Months later, he keeps on invoicing me for things like that. And I'm like, oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure. So you gave him the car? Yeah, so I sent the car off to him.

I'm very naive. I am no longer this gullible. And he sends me invoices and it goes on a bit too long. I'm like, I haven't seen my car in ages. Long story short, when I start asking for my car back, he's like, no, I'm not going to do it. Send me the money. What? Send me the money. And I'm like, no. He's like, right, well, under the tort law, if you're not going to pay me, I can legally have your car.

- What? - What? - So his plan from the start was to invoice you a bunch of fraudulent invoices. - Yes, for work that was never done. And then he was taking my car to shows in the UK. - What? - And advertising his business. - What? - That's fucked up. - And then I was like calling the police. I was like, and then they were like, "Oh, we're not gonna do anything. Do you know where it is?" I'm like, "No." So I had to get in touch with private investigators. - Holy shit. - To track down this guy.

And then eventually, they were like, oh, we found him. But then they followed him a couple of days, never found the car. Right. Even tracked his car, which is legal in the UK. You can't track cars. Yeah. And eventually, I managed to find through someone through someone that he was actually taking it somewhere else to get work done. Eventually, I think that he'd called up to him and he told them to be like, just put a hole in it. Put a hole in the roof so it looks like...

he was doing it but luckily I got to that company first and I documented the whole process because I was like this could be a Netflix documentary where's my car that's the thing because I was bringing all these people and eventually I got to the guy and the relief I had I was like

He was like, oh, you're the owner of the Explorer. I was like, yes. Oh, thank God. And eventually he's like turned up, the guy who was doing all this, he turned up to that place with the, you know, the ready to take it. And the guy wouldn't release it to him, fortunately. Oh, thank God. And that's how I got the car back. But it was this whole... And it ended up he was...

like taking old American cars, selling them. They were charity things. Right. And he was pocketing all the money. Oh my God. He was the lowest of the low, dude. And scumbag. And then eventually, like not too long ago, I found out he was, he got done because he actually self-reported himself to the police.

I'm trying to get somebody else arrested. What? But anyway, and now I've got the car and it's like, oh God, the stuff I went through for this thing. Good riddance. So yeah. Wow. Holy fuck. So that was one expensive car. Oh yes. Yes, it was.

- Dude, you should make a video about that. That whole document process sounds awesome. - I documented the whole process. Even him on the phone and stuff. I was like- - Dude, the drama. Think about it. That's an amazing story. - That's a video waiting to happen. - That's a really fucking interesting story. - But also, I didn't want to give him any spotlight 'cause I feel like he would revel in it. - Not anymore. - Well, not anymore. - Well, not anymore. He'd revel from a jail cell. - Yeah, I suppose, possibly, but yeah. - So you went to this, sorry.

He sent to another shop to get work done. And then when you explained the situation to the shop, they were like, oh, okay, we'll give it back to you. Because he owed the shop money. So they weren't releasing the car to him. Oh my God. All the money I was giving to him, he wasn't doing anything with the car. And then, yeah, so...

It was a whole shebang that was. A whole year of my life. It's like flashbacks today. Thank you. If I ever have anything and anyone has to do work on it, I'll be like, no, I'm good. Yes. So I became a lot wiser. I went to Utah to see that project with the Utah Raptor. Oh, you went all the way to Utah for that?

Yeah, yeah. It's fascinating because I got to interview Jim Kirkland who discovered Utahraptor. Right. But that whole thing started with this guy emailing me saying he was, oh, I work at the museum at the gift shop. And his email address was something like yourmama at da-da-da-da-da.

Wait, wait, wait. So you sent your mom's fat at Gmail spot. Your extremely red Jeep to your mom? No, no, no, no. No, I went there. I went there. So this email address messaged me and said, oh, if you want to interview Jim Kirkland, the guy who just came out. Oh, but it was just like the most random email. It was so random. And then I was like, hmm. I'll go to Utah for this. Let me go check. It's in the middle of nowhere in Utah. This was before my car incident. So I was a lot more like, oh, yeah.

- Of course I'll go to Utah. - Who would ever try to scare me? - No one would lie to me. - Yeah, no one would do that. - Unfortunately, he was a real guy. And I did get interviewed, Jim Kirkland. - Your first question, what the fuck is that email? - There are those moments where you like maybe agree to do stuff like that, where right before maybe, you know, you have to meet the person or whatever, or it dawns on you like this could be a,

It could go really bad. It's going to be a really bad idea. But I've already committed, so let's see how it plays out. Well, that's why I ignored Maylin's messages for so long. Not really. Yeah, when Maylin messaged me, I was like, when she was like, I work for a...

duh, duh, duh, that's a publisher for Katakawa. And I'm just like, this is back when nobody was like paying attention to anime YouTubers. So I was just like, scam email, delete. And then it was only when I was hanging out with Joey, when Joey was like, yo, have you ever talked to Mei Lin? And I'm like-

"She's real?" - Yeah, I was like, "Yeah, she's been trying to contact you for ages, and you keep deleting the email." - Oh no. - She sees it, delete it. - You also got to interview Jeff Goldblum as well, didn't you? - Yes, what? - What? - Lovely. - Yeah. - Lovely, he's exactly as you'd expect. - Is he? - Oh, he's- - The chill. - Oh yeah. Well, that was Jurassic World Evolution. Have you played that game? - I've not played that game. - No. - Well, Evolution 2.

- Well, you don't like dinosaurs though. I don't know. - I don't not like dinosaurs. - Maybe we can start a dinosaur arc. - There's no passion there yet, but maybe perhaps. - Yeah, maybe we can light the fire. By the end of the episode, it'll be like, so it's a game where you make your own park and you have the dinosaurs and they break out and fight and attack things. - That sounds great. - This is Zoo Tycoon with dinosaurs. - Theme park, theme park, dinosaur edition. - Was it popular?

Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Well, it's the most popular dinosaur game, I think, right now. Oh, wow. Very popular. Wow. So, yes, I went to the press event, and we were allowed to interview Jeff Goldblum, and he's like in the Universal lot and everything. He's in a curtained-off area where everyone's taking turns in the press and stuff. You sort of go in there, and he's just so chill. He doesn't have to deal with all the stress and everything that's going on. He's completely quiet back there. He's sucking on a lozenge, just relaxed. You go in there, and you're like, hi, Jeff. Hi.

It was like, oh, what's your name? And luckily I was so nervous, but the guys up front who make this game, he properly introduced me because I was just like, I'm James. You don't say anything about you. He's just happy to be there. But luckily a guy came over and he said, oh, he's like the biggest dinosaur YouTuber and he loves Jurassic. So then Jeff could get into the headspace of where the questions are going to go. So luckily, but yeah, it flew by. I think I only had about 10 minutes or so.

- Oh shit. - Yeah, they don't get along, right? - Yeah, but no, absolute gem, treasure. Love that man. - This game was good. - Yeah. - Good reviews. - Oh yeah, I mean, and if you have it on PC, there's loads of mods and stuff. - I mean, I was very heavily considering getting this game just randomly 'cause I was like, oh, it just looks like theme park. - It's from "Rollercoaster Tycoon" with dinosaurs. - I didn't fuck with that. - But what about playing as the dinosaur?

There's games like that. Be the dinosaur. Are you serious? Yes. You get to start as a baby. You grow, you hunt, you eat. And everyone online is playing as dinosaurs and you have to kill them if you're carnivore to eat. Wait, so it's like a dinosaur MMO? Yes. Wait, what is it called? Well, there's a few different ones. Which one do you recommend? Right now I recommend Path of Titans. Path of Titans. Path of Titans. I haven't heard of this stuff. So it's like...

like 100 people on a server they're all different dinosaurs right uh they all have their their calls and stuff um and if you're a carnivore you have to basically hunt and eat other players right so the food system is that you know you are the resource and you want to survive if you're a herbivore obviously you know you get big and depending on the species and stuff but it i mean i played this with

Emu Ritchie and Didis and we had a good time just messing around. But yeah, you've got your growth meter there, you've got your stamina, you can do different effects like bleed and stuff like that. You can call, have a hurt on there because you've been chased down by a concavenator there trying to survive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got the health bar, the hunger and thirst. Yeah.

Yeah, no, this is sick. Yeah, no, it's a really good game. There is another one called The Isle, which is way more unforgiving. I find that because in this, if you die, you lose some growth depending on the server. In The Isle, you just start over if you die. And it can take hours sometimes. And there's like a big crocodile in that game that you stay submerged and you've got to wait for players to come by and you grab them and drown them and stuff like that.

- This is a whole rabbit hole. - Oh, it's so much fun. - It's so interesting. - It's got really good reviews. - 'Cause I was gonna ask, I was like, I feel like the reason I got our dinosaurs was 'cause there wasn't enough dinosaur media to keep my passion going. - There wasn't, no. 2003 was a dark time. Never forget. - We had Jurassic Park Builder on mobile and that was it. It was Farmville basically.

But we survived and we're here to tell the tale. Now we've got all this shit. Hell yeah, dude. So yeah, I mean, there's a whole, I mean, that's the old one, I think. They've got like one in beta at the moment that's way better graphics and stuff. But yeah, I mean, that's been an early access for, I think, 15 years. Oh my God.

No end in sight, but yeah. Yeah, this is 2015, so it's 10 years. Yes. Oh, when Jurassic World came out, the amount of dinosaur games that were indie that were like, oh yeah, and they all pushed themselves. Right, right, right. And all of them were horrendous. But they were like, money, money, money, must be money now. Yeah. Gotta catch the wave. Yes, exactly. God. So that's probably why it was 2015. Hell yeah. So being in Japan now, do you find that there is

crossover between like dinosaurs and like the whole kaiju oh yeah yeah I've been exposed to that whole which is brilliant there's so many like things that I didn't know about I got into the Godzilla mobile game and stuff like that which taught me all about Gamera and all

cameras, Godzilla, all the other ones. And I think it's because over here you have kaijus, which are just like dinosaurs. - Pretty much. - So it's almost normalized. When I was growing up in the UK, like you said about Pokemon being weird and nerdy, dinosaurs were the same. - Our kaijus were sick, yeah. - You didn't grow up watching the Godzilla movies or anything like that? - They were not popular at all in the UK. - I had the Matthew Broderick one.

- That's a lot of fish. - Yeah, yeah. - We don't talk about that. - You know what, you know what? - "Zilla." - I have a soft spot for that movie. - Really? - I do, I do. - Wait, which movie is this? - It's the one where it's in New York? - Yeah, it's in New York. You can start "Godzilla" 19-- - 1999. - 1999. - I think it is. - 1999 or 1919. - I keep on saying 2000, but that was-- - I feel like I don't know, Graham, no one ever spoke about "Godzilla." - It's this one.

It's just, yeah. The only line I remember this from this was, that's a lot of fish. That's a lot of fish. And the advert for it had Godzilla stepping on the T-Rex skeleton and squishing it. It was like, oh yeah, this is bigger than the T-Rex. Yeah.

- Have you never seen this one? - No. - This is a special one. - This is, I don't know, as a kid, I really enjoyed this movie. - I did too. - And I have a soft spot for it. And then I grew up and everyone shit on it. - It's got that great dollop of like 90s cheese. - Oh, everything. - Where it's like nowadays you watch it, it's like watching like, you know, Die Hard, right?

right? Where it's like, it's just cheesy enough where it's enjoyable again. You know what I mean? Godzilla was just a giga chat in this. Cause I think, I remember there's one scene where he's like getting chased by these helicopters in the middle of like Manhattan and they somehow fucking lose him. Right? Do you remember this? And then they're like, he like hides in it and jumps up and bites him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then they're like, where the fuck did he go? And he full on, because Godzilla just fucking solid snakes them, man. We lost him. The three. How do you lose Godzilla? That's the point. I think they say that in the movies. How do we lose a 300 foot? And then they shoot up their own city. Like they destroy the Chrysler building or something. Why not? Because he ducks. He's like, oh, yeah.

- Oh, Nickatopoulos, that's the guy's weird name. - Yeah, I have a soft spot for that movie. If you want like 90s cheese, it's not a good movie, but it's an entertaining movie. - I mean, that's how I would describe most Godzilla movies. It's like, they're not good movies, but they're very fun to watch. - Minus one though.

- Minus one was fantastic. - Minus one was weird. - You get some where it's like Shin Godzilla or like minus one, or like if you go back to like, you know, the original like Godzilla versus Mothra, like the classic ones that are genuinely some great fucking movies. And then you get like, you know, Godzilla versus Kong 2.

I just love that that came out like literally the same time as Godzilla minus one. Yeah. And it's like, you have the Godzilla film if you want to enjoy a story and the Godzilla film. And then there's one where King Kong takes a little monkey and walks around a little. And then you have Kaiju WWE.

- Pretty much. - Which I went to go see Godzilla vs Kong 2 in cinemas and it was the most fun I've ever had. - It was a fun movie. - It was so stupid. - Yeah, it's the two types of Godzilla movies, right? - One's a cheeseburger, one's a five star Michelin star. - It really is, yeah. - 'Cause like I'm saying if Godzilla, if they ever do the fucking Godzilla Pacific Rim, like collaboration,

- Just take my money. - Just take my money. - I don't care. I just want to see- - That was a good movie as well. - That was great. - Pacific Rim was fucking excellent. - You get children, you just like their pose and the water falls off. It's like, oh yeah, here we go. - The first one, the first one. The first one was like visual cocaine. I remember watching that in cinemas. And I think the most underrated thing about that film is like the sound design. The sound design for like every like fucking clank

and just everything. - But that was like the first Transformers, wasn't it? It was like, where things are transforming. That sound effects and everything. - I just always fucking think of that stupid video of that kid in the car going, "Dududududu." 'Cause he's like an Optimus Prime looking thing. - Oh, right. - 2013, dude. - 2013. - Fuck. - Please come back.

- You know Arno was frothing at the mouth when he saw this. - 6.9, no fucking way. - This was like really critically panned when it came out. - It was. - It kind of became a cult following. - It's so good. - It took a little bit of time. - It's really good. - Gypsy danger there, beautiful. - 'Cause I think the thing that was missing from its sequels, which I've watched and are shit, is just the thing that makes this one so fucking incredible is just the sense of weight

with these mechas. - I'm in guilt almost. - Like it takes like one- - Yeah, when the foot lands and then the knee takes the way. - Yeah. And like just one punch takes so fucking long for the wind up. But like you feel like the anticipation. And then when he brings out like, when they bring out the oil tanker as well. Oh my God.

- Oh, this is such a good fucking movie. - I need to rewatch this again, man. - Yeah, I haven't seen this in so long. - I haven't watched this in so long. - Yeah. - I forgot that Gilmore and Toro directed this. - Yeah, Gilmore and Toro directed this. - And of course we've got the new Jurassic World coming out as well. - What? - There's a new one? - The director of Godzilla there, the first one. Yeah, he's directing the new Jurassic World Rebirth. - Are you excited or are you excited

Well, let's say Dominion, you know. Did you watch that? Did you watch Dominion? Did I watch Dominion? Jurassic World Rebirth. It's got ScarJo. That's its star power this time. It's got Scarlett Johansson. Wait, what? Dominion? Can I see what that one was again? It was the one where they brought back the old cast. With Jeff Goldblum, Samuel Lohr. I think I did watch that. I did not watch that one. The locust. The bugs, which you probably would have hated. Yes, I did not watch that. How does that movie end again? Oh!

the giganotosaurus dies and that's right there's a giant fucking fight scene right with the yeah therizinosaurus one of the claws 5.6 yeah i did watch this this one was ass yeah that fight scene at the end was so shit yeah well the thing was most dinosaurs that are the the big bad have a reason for like in dominus rex and drastic world was a hybrid it was

It was a crazy killer. Jurassic Park 3, oh, Spider-Man didn't even die. Oh, yeah, they had like the Jurassic thing that was like all the ice world or something. Oh, yeah, they had an ice bit, yeah, with the Pyraptor. That was a feathered raptor. This is the most forgettable movie I've watched in years. I didn't even realize it was a thing. Yeah. I must have completely missed this one. Well, I feel like I watch every movie that comes out in Japan and English, so I feel like I've just probably watched it. It comes out later as well.

- Yeah, I mean, I just watch whatever is on and this is one of them and it was forgettable. - I mean, I mean- - Sorry, carry on, but you were talking about the two, the gigadon-saurus. - Yeah, giga, not giga, gigadongosaurus. - Gigadongosaurus. - The gigadongosaurus. - Okay. - Yes, yeah. Well, that dinosaur just died for no reason. Like it never was aggressive and then it gets like impaled and beat up. And I remember the director for this movie went on record saying that this dinosaur is like the Joker.

And the Joker. And everyone was like, watching me went, what was he talking about? I think it was meant to be like, the way he's brought up is, you know, he's a Joker's society, right? Like, it makes him the way it is.

- I don't even see that. - He's the outcast of the dinosaur society. - Not really, not really. He does a little fight with the T-Rex, a territorial dispute, lets it live. And then in the end, the T-Rex is like, "No, die!" And then throws it into Freddy Krueger. - I think I just remember watching this film and I'm always remembering that like, what's his name? The really handsome guy.

- Chris Pratt. - The guy with the glasses, I forgot his name. - Jeff Goldblum. - Jeff Goldblum. - Oh, there you go, nice, nice, nice. - Every scene he was in, I just remember being like distracted 'cause he was just, it was like you were just watching Jeff Goldblum not as a character. Just him go like, "What's up baby? "We've got a save the world." I guess let me just fuck a little quick. You're just kinda like watching him on camera, you're like, "Brother, the world is ending, Jeff."

- Lock in. - So you're too chill about it. - Jeff Goldblum just plays Jeff Goldblum in everything he's in. - Well that's being a star, right? Like the difference between an actor and a movie star. You're brought to the role for that reason. And unfortunately, I mean, I made an hour long essay on reviewing this, but yeah, I did say that unfortunately you can't play Ian Malcolm like you used to. Ian Malcolm was a bit more serious, bit more dour. Where here he's signing books like,

- He's just Jeff Goldblum. He's playing the star Jeff Goldblum. - The intro from where he's doing a lecture, yes. After that, no, it's Jeff, unfortunately. - Is there any good "Jurassic Park" movies after, like you said, the third one? - So...

Fallen Kingdom's intro is pretty good. Wait, let's establish this. How many Jurassic Park movies are there? There's a lot more than you think. There's a lot more now. There's six at the moment. Six? Seven coming this year. I've only heard, I only know the first one and Jurassic World. So Jurassic Park, the Lost World Jurassic Park. You must have seen Jurassic Park 2.

- I'd never watched that one. - That was the best one. - Yeah. - I never watched it. - Is that controversial? - No, it's my favorite. - It's always, "Who's the best one?" - "Who's the best one?" - Yeah! - "Who's the best one?" - It's because, when I was a kid, I used to have like "Army Man" and send them on an island, and that's what "Lost World" is. - I must've missed this one. - Yeah, I didn't watch this one. - Wait, what's the plot line to this one again? - John Hammond is, he sends Jeff Goldblum and his team as a research to see how the dinosaurs are getting on, and unfortunately, his cousin,

is wanting to poach the island and bring the dinosaurs back to San Diego to set up an amphitheater and a mini Jurassic Park. - This was the one where they kidnapped the T-Rex, right? - Baby T-Rex, yes. - Oh, okay, okay. It's all coming back. Yeah, I like this one. - Well, the thing is, I watched Jurassic Park and Lost World back to back at midnight, sort of showing in the UK, and every line in Jurassic Park was quoted. Everyone was quoting it. In The Lost World,

Everyone's just sort of talking over each other. It's all jumbled. But the dialogue. But at the same time, I think that's why it works because it's more like all these different characters and stuff. But I like it. Maybe it's a good pleasure. Because I remember Jurassic World was based or the Lost World was basically just King Kong with T-Rex. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, because he runs amok in the name of Sub-O. Yeah, yeah, because he runs amok, right? And he eats a dog offscreen. He's sort of chomping on the thing. And then Jurassic Park 3 was when I was like, what's going on? So Jurassic Park 3 is World?

- No, Jurassic Park 3 is the one with the Spinosaur. - Yeah. - See, I don't know. I must've missed all these. - It's the one that spawns Spino-Fanboys. - I can't remember if it was this or another film. - Was this the film where someone tries to make an epic sacrifice and then he just gets like, he was... - Ooh, sacrifice. - I don't know if it's this or King Kong. - I like how it's Jurassic Park 3 but they're playing Jurassic Park on IMDB.

I might be getting this confused with King Kong. Doctor Who 3 is the one with the kid. The parents try and find their kid on the island. I hated the fucking character. Let me... There was the one they parachute in and then the parachutes get like... Yes, that's it. But this one, for good scenes, the intro of the spine is pretty good. The fact that it is a villain. At one point, it eats the mobile and has the ringtone. Do-do-do-do-do.

And they slowly turn around and he's just standing there while it's playing. So he's been there watching them like, yeah, I'm going to eat you. Damn. And then the Pteranodons in the Avery scene has a really good build up with the- I think that's what I order at Sukiyo, I think, actually. Pteranodon, where it comes through the mist and the drums build up. I was wrong. It was Kong Skull Island. Oh yeah, where he's got the

- When he's got the grenades. - When he's got the grenades. I just remember dinosaurs, I was like, that's one of the dinosaur movies. - Skull Island? - Yeah. - Yeah, that movie was- - Such a worthless sacrifice. - Is that with Jack Black? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- I think so. - Jack Black's in one of the movies, the Kong movies. - He's in Jumanji. - He's in Kong too. - No, no, he's in one of the Kong movies. - Is he in Kong? - I think it's this one. - Oh, sorry. - No, no, no. - Peter Jackson's King Kong. - Yes, Peter Jackson. - Peter Jackson's. That was a good movie, I enjoyed that one. - Did you not? - I was too young, I think, to appreciate it. - Ah, okay. - Yeah, that top scene right there was what I was thinking about. - What is this then? - Yeah, 'cause the skull crawler's gonna eat him.

Yeah. And he's like, he's going to sacrifice himself to save him. I'm not spoiling it. I'm not spoiling it. Yeah. God damn. What the fuck is that? Giganotosaurus. No. You're going to make up some name and I'm going to leave you. You'll be like, Big Bullsaurus. I'll be like, that's so cool. Although there is a big bull in this one.

- Wait, I remember this, what the fuck? - You remember this, Joey? - I remember this scene. Yeah, the fucking grenade. - Yeah, 'cause I think earlier he's eaten somebody, like the creature eats somebody with its tongue. - Something like that, yeah. - Oh fuck.

- It's like, remember, it's like that. - Hang on. - That's just the perfect meme timing for like such a dramatic scene. It's the explosion after we fly off. - That's pretty good. - That's pretty good.

- I mean, Dominion had a similar scene, a butchering one of the Dilophosaurus, do you remember that? Where Chris Pratt, he strangles the dinosaur. Do you remember Dilophosaurus Andrus, the part where it spits the venom? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And like, it's gonna do it a clay and then Chris just comes in like, nah, he just strangles it and then it's like, get good. - I remember that film so long. And I wanted it to end like an hour earlier than it did. - Then it should have. - So after all this,

I gotta know, why did you want to move to Japan? Because from what I understand, Geeks+ didn't contact you. - No. - You contacted Geeks+. - I did. - Oh really? - Wanting to move to Japan. - Yes, I was watching some of Connor's beautiful videos. And we've been to Japan in 2020 for Christmas and summer. And then of course- - Summer? And you wanted to move here? - Well, maybe it was the height of summer, sorry. No, it wouldn't have been the height of summer.

- I was gonna say, yeah. - And COVID started, of course, and we couldn't travel, we couldn't leave the house. And then when you're stuck inside every day, and I'd just been to Japan, I was like, "Oh, I wish I was back there." Of course, and then you get all the FOMO, and seeing all you guys having great time. - We were lucky, moving just before COVID. - And then I saw in your, I think it was your contact,

It was like Geeks Plus or something. I was like, what the hell is Geeks Plus? So I Googled Geeks Plus and then I messaged Malin and I said, you know, I'm thinking about moving to Japan for a little bit. Do you know anyone that could do that? She went, we do that.

I was like, "Oh, okay." And then that's how the whole process started was just reaching out. - So were you always into Japan before you came here or was it the trip that kind of made you be like, "Yeah, this is the place." - The trip was, I mean, obviously I've liked anime when I was a kid growing up, of course. It was always that, "What's this cartoon?"

It's adult. This is different. People swear and die. And like, what was it? Megastropolis or something. I remember watching that one as a kid. Is it Metropolis? Metropolis, yeah. He had a friend who had that and that was like, wow, as a kid. That was, whoo. So, I mean...

The anime world aside, I just wanted to, you know, when you're done with work, I want to, if you've got an afternoon, I want to go out and see something different. Your world doesn't revolve around dinosaurs 24-7? Not anymore. Not anymore. God damn. That's for sure. Another one. Another good one, guys. And I just thought, you know, it'd be great if I was just in a place where even if I just keep doing what I'm doing, I can go out and...

go to Shibuya or Shinjuku or something different because around where I was living, you know it all. There's nothing new and it always feels like there's something. And especially when the fifth movie for Jurassic World came out, they had a pop-up cafe

And you could get an Indoraptor. I'm moving. So that Indoraptor burger that was like black buns and stuff. And of course you've got Universal in Osaka. Oh yeah, the Jurassic Park ride. Exactly. And that didn't exist anywhere else except for Japan. The pterodactyl one. Have you been on it? Yeah, I've been on it. Oh, it's so good. I love it. I used to just go on it a bunch because if you did Solo Rider, you could just skip the whole line. I was too scared when I first went there.

- But then I went not too long ago. - It's so good. - It was me, my wife and my- - It's the best ride there, I think. - Oh yeah, 100%. - Yeah, it's not even close. - When you go down, it accelerates. Anyway, but yes. - Oh, this is fun. - Yeah, it's so good, so good. I just thought, you know, moving here, I could do a couple of things here and there. And then of course, the whole, I've worked with Dino Alive, the company that does the dinosaur shows here. So every year, I sort of try- - Is that the same company that does the Dinosaur Hotel?

That's art. Sorry, dinosaur shows? Yeah. What is a dinosaur show? On Art, or a company that they copyright their own things and they call the people inside the costumes pilots because they've got like screens and everything inside these dinosaur costumes. So it's every year they do like a big dinosaur show. Whoa.

Whoa. And the guy who, yeah, he's the guy who runs it. What the fuck? Kanemura-san, he's definitely a dinosaur otaku. Yeah. He's like a John Hammond icon, like John Hammond of this. Yeah. And they put on all these shows. They did a great one last year, which was like the lantern parade. Oh, that's cool. At night, they did a dinosaur show. It was only for three nights, which is crazy because the amount of effort that goes into it. Yeah, what the fuck? Why only three nights?

I don't know. And unfortunately it did rain on one of them, which is because it was outside. That's the first time they've done it outside. But yeah, I mean, there he is. There's Kanemura-san getting eaten. But yeah, they do. It's amazing. Like the Brachiosaur they've got there, which is like the height of a Brachiosaur. Huge. Jesus. That thing. Obviously that wasn't outside, but I had no idea about this. Where is this held?

It changes every time actually. It was somewhere in the Tokyo Bay where the whole studio turns around and they have different stages. So you're in Jurassic Park. Oh, cool. They like to have a story. The one they did recently was in English and Japanese. So if you're thinking about coming, keep an eye on that. If you're into dinosaurs. Yeah, I want to go to that.

But yeah, it's fantastic. And he's wanting to take it international. In fact, he was going to do it and then COVID happened. Right. So I don't know where he signed up to, but yeah. Everything about this just is awakening the inner child. Yeah, I want to go. Oh no, it's a full-on dinosaur show? And it's really popular with women, actually. Girls love it. They love to get scared, apparently. They go in pairs and they get terrified when the dinosaur comes near them like, ah!

- 'Cause I asked him like, "Oh, what's the main target audience?" He was like, "Oh yeah, we have a lot of families, but a lot of just like general- - Ready to go on dates then, be like, "Don't worry, baby." - "I'll protect you." - "She'll grab hold of you." - "No, you do the Chris Pratt then." "Stop, stop." - Hell yeah.

- So yeah, I don't know. - We definitely need to go. - Yeah, I'm so down. - Boy strip. - Didn't know they had this. - Oh yeah, yeah. - I know you can like do a zip line into Godzilla's mouth. - Yes, on the Waji Island. - Yeah, on the Waji Island. - Yeah. - The Waji Island's got all the weird shit. - They do. - And all the weird stuff like that. - I don't know why it's all on that island. - Nothing else to do there. - They need the money. - Well, that's where they've got the Hello Kitty and stuff. - Naruto theme park is there as well. - Demon Slayer was there as well.

- I did a video on this one, yeah. - Oh, that's so sick. - Oh, it's the Shin Godzilla Godzilla as well. - Yeah, the scariest one. - I know that you sometimes work with Paul as well, our cameraman. I remember one time he was like, "Fucking James took me up a fucking mountain shaped like a fucking dinosaur." - Godzilla's backbone. - Yeah, and then he said that it was like an arduous trek to get to this dinosaur bank. - But we did three peaks. - What the fuck? - In Tatori.

If we did one, it would have been okay. But then we did two more and I couldn't walk for like days afterwards. My knee was like broken. - And so what was the significance of this mountain? - It's shaped like Godzilla's backbone, like coming out, you know, the spikies. - What? - Oh, yeah. - Can we Google this? - Honestly, if you're thinking about doing hiking in Japan, I know you've got Mount Fuji, which is like a slow, it can be depending on the route you take, but Mount Dyson. - Oh, Tottori. - Tottori, yeah.

- No cues. - I'm dancing. - Yeah, like the vacuum. - Yeah, I was gonna say. - And it's, yeah, we had the drone and everything, but it's completely quiet and the climbs there are amazing, but they are intense. - Right. - They can be very intense. - I've been to Godzilla Rock, that second one. - Oh, I haven't seen that one. - Where is that again? - I've been there too. - It's in Aomori, I think, or Akita, somewhere around there. - Yeah, I think Chris took me to see it. - Yeah, I went there with Chris and I was like,

- Oh, you started with a little rock. - I'm like, that's a rock. - That's a rock all right. - Yeah, Gojiraiwa.

- But Paul hated that. - Well, no, Paul was just like, "It was a long hike." - It was. - He's British. I also, there was a, I was watching this TV show in Japan and there was a prefecture and they were like, "We're called the Godzilla prefecture. Do you know why?" And then they were like, the host is like, "Nande." And then they went like, "Well, if you shrink the prefecture, turn it upside down and stretch it a little bit, it looks like Godzilla's back." And I was like,

- What? - And then everyone on TV was like, "Sugong, Sugong!"

They did that with every perfection, right? I was like, I don't know if you have to. Italy being the boot, it just is the boot. It looks like we didn't have to like fucking reverse Photoshop walk. Like, come on now, let's calm ourselves. But obviously they're just having a bit of fun. But yeah, it was interesting. So much Godzilla themed things and they try to spot and everything.

- To be fair, the rock does look like Godzilla. - Yeah. - It does, but it's also so fucking far away. - It's just out of the way. It's like nothing's near it. - It does look like it's on a coastline. - It does. - Yeah, and supposedly like- - Well, you can see the Akita, and Akita is- - Supposedly with this one though, the main draw is that not only does it look like Godzilla, but if you are standing in a particular spot in a particular time of sunset, then it looks like Godzilla is eating the sun.

- Oh yeah, I could see that happening. - Like the sun, it like comes in between the mouth there and it's like, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I guess so, but it's just a rock. It's just a fucking rock. - It's been going that way for like a minute. - Yeah, exactly. - That was cool. - It looks cool. - It does look cool. - In photos, but it's not worth going all the way out there. - Reminds me of the Okinawan heart-shaped rock that me and Chris looked at and I was like, this is- - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't, is there an Okinawa heart rock? Which doesn't look- - Yeah, does that look good? - I don't know, man. - It's all right. - Like, sure. Like, I guess like, I was kind of like, you know what? That's fine, I guess. - Yeah, there it is, that's the heart. - Maybe the heart of a smoker, perhaps. - Yeah, you're right. It's that- - This is what your lungs- - On the cigarette box. - British cigarettes, they have on the box. - They're like, please don't smoke. - Don't smoke, your heart might look like the Okinawan rock.

How have you liked living in Japan then? How many years has it been? This year we're starting the fourth. Fourth year. So it's coming to the end of three years now. And how long did you think you were gonna live here? One maybe? One-ish thereabouts. Because you're a dad now, dude. Yeah. Congratulations, by the way. How's it like raising kids in Japan so far?

Well, it's, well, I don't know what it's like raising kids anywhere else, I'll be honest. But at the moment, because, you know, no schools or anything really, and there's a lot of international things here. But I mean, it's exhausting. It's rewarding. I feel like I've done a lot of things where, you know, you feel accomplished, like

that was great. I'm really proud of that. But I don't know, it doesn't compare to when you've got like your baby there and she's depending on you. That it's completely, uh, like when I first bottle fed her and she just looks at you and just, just staring. It's not, there's no context there. There's no having a conversation. It's just like into your soul. Right.

It is the deepest thing you will ever feel because she's not breaking eye contact. She's not worried about social norms. She's just like taking every drip in. And it is, oh, yeah, man, it's...

All that, but man is it draining. You will have the worst sleeps. You think you're tired, your worst experience now? No. Some days I'd wake up and just think, right, well, the day is ruined. Not when I'm with the baby, but before that. Right, the day is ruined. Honesty is always good, I suppose. Before, when I would wake up tired, I'd be like, oh, I'm going to be like this all day. It's too terrible. But now it's like, well, you can't be. Yeah.

And I've never been so tired where my eyes feel like they're stretching inward. I've usually had strain up top, but like outwards, I'm like, what is this? I just want to sleep. But yeah, it is just wonderful. You're going to get your kid into dinosaurs?

This is the thing. So my dad's really into football. Bless him if he's watching. Love you, Dad. And he tried his best to get me into football. Take me to games. He would play on a Saturday and he'd take me and at halftime I'd kick about. I'd take my friends. That was mainly why I enjoyed it. But I think overall I just wasn't into it. And because you're forced to like it. I used to pretend the ball was Sonic the Hedgehog. Yeah.

I used to make the sounds in my head go bing, bing. And dinosaurs, obviously, I found in my own accord. Yeah. So you don't want to repeat that possibly for your kid. You want it to happen naturally. Exactly. So we'll leave a dinosaur out.

And we'll just, you know, if you're interested, you know, gentle. I'll not be like, this is the best thing. You will like this. It happens. And I think especially with kids, they're more open to it anyway. Yeah, for sure. It's when, you know, you force it. You force it. And when you get into a social area, like kids and stuff, and they all like one thing and it's not cool to like the other thing. Yeah. Yeah.

- Just getting into it naturally. - Yeah, so that's my devious plan. - Do you mind if I say this? 'Cause I went to your baby shower. - Yes. - And I remember the moment when you are opening all the gifts that everyone had given you.

- I know where this is going. - He opens the first gift, it's like dinosaur PJs and he's just like, yeah. Opens the second gifts, more dinosaur PJs.

- You're seeing my childhood birthdays. - And it was just like dinosaur towels, dinosaur accessories. I'm not complaining. - Yeah, I'm not complaining. - Do you have like a lot of dinosaur themed like utensils or bowls around the house? Is everything dinosaur themed? - I've been very picky.

I think I went through the phase when I started YouTube and I started getting like, oh, this is the most money I've ever seen in my life. And then you just buy. You buy everything you didn't have. I bought all the Pokemon cards I never had. I bought all the dinosaur toys. It's the moment you realize it's like, I have adult money.

- Yes. - Yes. - And you buy all the toys. - You went on like a shopping spree. - eBay, get all the deals, buy it now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. - I was too into video games. I never ended up like spending any of it. I was just like- - Well, video games is its own thing though. - Yeah. - It's like, you can only play so many videos. - I suppose, I suppose. Yeah, but it's about looking. - It's a bit different from collectibles though, right?

- Do collectibles, I feel like it sneakily adds up on you. You're like, oh, it's only this much for this item. It's such a good steal. But then you forget that like I bought 15 other of them. - Living last time does that. Everywhere there's a new gacha or a thing that's like, oh, I've got to have that or. - Yeah, exactly. - Always been collecting material items. - And it's seasonal. You miss out. You can't have it while it's there. They do a great year with every season there's a new. - A little too good. - It's good conditioning. 'Cause I feel like if I can survive here not wanting to buy things,

Nowhere else will ever make me want to buy things. Yeah, I failed at that. Like too much shit. Well, I saw that the Pokemon cards, which I think you're into, right? Yes. I saw that some stores had signs banning adults from buying them.

yeah scalpers yeah the newest the newest packs like yeah i i i saw people like asking to like have friends join them or like friends who had kids to join is that why you had a kid you're like no no she love spoke

- I'm buying it for my one month-year-old. - Really, I'd love to take the kid out for a walk all day. - Do I? Oh, okay, I'll admit it. - Hey, look, this is- - Not that. - No shame. - So, I mean, the Pokemon Centers, you can only buy five packs, and normally in stores, they limit how many. - Or one box. - Or one box if you're lucky. - If you're lucky. - If they even have boxes. So what I would do is go to Pokemon Center, and I would just go straight to the cashier, 'cause that's where you get 'em. - Yep. - I buy my five packs.

I would go back in, and I'd look around, and I might buy like, oh, a little something. I'd go to the cash register and buy five more boxes. And then if I was, I'd do it again later on. Sunshine City, they have it there, the Pokemon Center. They're not going to recognize me in the third year. Those stores are rammed. Exactly, they are. And I always get a little something, and I hope I don't get the same cashier. If I get the same cashier, and it's happened twice in a row, it's like, God damn it, I have to buy this thing and not get any packs.

- Well, actually this one's, last one for is for my kids. This one's for me actually. - Yeah, investing, investing. - The third one's for my cousin. - Well, I bought, I mean, this is 2015. I even made a video on my channel. I bought all of the old stuff. - All right. - Base set, jungle, first edition. - Aren't those like 10 grand a pack?

- 20 depending. - I mean, OG jungle packs go for like 10, 15 now. - Did you just keep the pack? - No, you don't wanna do that. - I saw Ludwig open his packs and fucking got nothing. - Yeah, that's the scariest thing. - I mean that's- - Sometimes if you're lucky you can open. - That's my collection. - Oh my God. - A little bit. - Wait, you have the boxes? - I'll show you. - Hold on, I need to see this. - Hold on.

Yeah, I think I saw it at Lad's house because he has like a bunch of PSA glass boxes. That's my collection. Oh my God. So I've got, even the Australian Jungle Rare booster box had the red print on Pokemon instead of yellow. Six figures. Yeah.

It is. Oh, wait, wait, no. Oh my lord. You have a down payment on a house. Well, I remember back in 2015. That's crazy. I bought, I bought. I admire your dedication so much. I wish I could collect something. So, I remember, you could buy booster boxes on Amazon when I was buying them. I bought a legendary collection booster box. Can you send that to me so I can

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can put it on the episode. That's crazy. I bought that. It was like 300 pound. And now it goes for like 20 grand or something. Yeah, yeah. 300 pound? Yeah, yeah. And in the video, I mentioned this. I mentioned that...

'cause I'm sort of unboxing all my posts and all the cards. And I say, "Oh, there was a first edition base set, but it was going for 10 grand. I would never spend 10 grand on Pokemon cards." And then of course, 2020 came around, quarter of a million. And I'm like, "Damn it, why not buy that 10 grand?" - It's always like that. You always could have been the guy who bought, I could have got Bitcoin when it was. - Exactly. - Because I remember there was,

Guy my university what year would I've been in university? I would have been what 18? 2015 there was a guy who? He had a fuck ton of Bitcoin and it was when it like it already kind of gone up a bunch And he was you know he just had like tons of it at that time and I remember We were all like oh wow lucky guy. I got into it and even if I'd just gotten into them Yeah, I don't know God knows how much money he's got now

- Did he? Oh wow. - He had a lot still when I met him. I didn't understand what it was. I was asking him to like explain to me, but I didn't fully understand and I thought it was weird. - It was, it was weird. - Yeah, it was weird. - I mean, no one thought it was gonna go anywhere. I had a friend in uni as well who bought Bitcoin like two, three days after it got announced or whatever. And we were just like, "This is shit." And he's like, "I don't know. I've just paid like 10 bucks for one." It's like whatever. And I think he spent it on something.

Oh, did he? He didn't say- It was like a dinner or something. He was just like, oh, this place you can pay in Bitcoin. I happen to have some. And he bought dinner with it. At that point, you got to be like, you got to hope that you were smart enough to keep your Bitcoin. Exactly. Keep like your hard drive with the Bitcoin on it. Was that person in Wales who lost their hard drive? They had-

- 600 million. - Yeah. - He said he won't stop looking through this like tip. - Yeah, that's right. - But it would probably be crushed if anything, right? - Probably. - It could have been. - I mean, you just have to, that case you gotta be like, man, I know this sucks, but you just gotta move on. - Yeah. - You just have to get on with your life. You cannot have your whole life be dedicated to this. - I've got a friend who he was into Bitcoin, but it was one step too complicated.

where you had to download something else and he didn't do it. And he still to this day is like, if only I'd done that. And you can't live your life like that. You can't. Who knows? You might've, you know, even if you had it lying around, I'm sure a bunch of people sold the moment it like went up even a little bit. They were like, wow, it's gone up. Wow, a hundred bucks a Bitcoin. I mean, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure every kid who grew up with like Pokemon cards, you know, taking it back to this, like who was just like, oh, it's irrelevant. I'm just going to chuck it out now.

Not knowing that that was a down payment on a house. - Exactly. - I think my parents actually made jokes about that at some point where I'm like, "Oh, I'm sure it'll be worth something someday." And it was always like with this,

sarcastic flair. And now you look at them and you're just like, "Shit, what the hell?" - It was actually gonna be worth something. - So you're telling me this picture of a lizard is gonna pay for my next house? - It's a bit of cardboard. - Yeah, sure. - It is scary though when you're just thinking, "Why is there such value for this?" The value feels like too much. - It terrifies me. I bought them because I just wanted to look at them and be a kid and be like,

And now I look at them and it's scary. It feels reminiscent of the tulips in the Dutch auctions way, way, way back. The inflation. The tulip bubble. Yeah, they had a bubble where they were buying the promise of tulips because they were so expensive at the time. And they were getting to the point where it was so ridiculous, like $10,000 a tulip.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, it was insane. And then obviously it crashed. I mean, I know it probably won't because it's a collectible, but it just does feel insane to think this pack of cards is worth a hundred grand. Yeah. A quarter of a million. You're like, this just doesn't make sense. Like, I know that there's like history behind it and there's a reason, but like when you're looking at it, it's like, what the fuck?

What the fuck? It can become a very, very slippery slope. I'm probably one step away from where you are currently. I've looked at some jungle boxes and I'm just like, that's 30 grand right there. It's the booster. Jungle is the name of the booster set that they have. So you had base set, jungle, fossil, team rocket, legendary collection.

And those are the originals. Yeah. And when I bought in 2015, Legendary Clutch was the most expensive because it had reverse holos. Yeah. And now... What is a reverse holo? It's where the image of the Pokemon isn't holo, but the rest of the card is. And then there's different types of holos. So those are fireworks. So they look like they're spritzing out. But Jungle, I think...

out of all the OG stuff is probably the most popular right now in terms of boosters, right? - Is it? - Yeah, I have a feeling. There's been a huge surge of jungle recently. - I just watched that guy that opens them on the shorts. - Oh! - Should I open it? Should I keep it too? - Yay!

And then they like just freak out and I'm like, okay, cool man, good for you. But I love watching it. I love watching them open it just 'cause I'm like, I think I just wanna watch someone gamble. - Yeah. - Look, it's just real life. - Is that what it is? - It's just real life gacha. That's all it is. - And every now and then. - Is it gacha if you're,

- If it's that much money. - It's a lot of money and you're trying to, well, you know, some people are trying to collect, but there are a lot of people who are just trying to attain value. - Well, that's what the slabs are, all the PSA slabs. - PSA slabs. - Oh, that's investment, that's what that is. - Yeah. - It's all copium in different ways. - It is copium, loads of copium. - Well, we've millennialized like stock markets. We've made it like, oh, I don't care about stocks and figures, I like Pokemon.

- You see how much a base set pack goes for now? - Now these are the stocks I can understand. - I think there's just that obsession with like, it's like the stock market, ugh, boring and predictable. - Pokemon cards. - The Pokemon cards, the fact that I could 10X my value instantly. - It's 'cause it has a fun picture to go along with it. - And I think there's also the copium of like,

"Oh, I like the card too." Whereas like, I think some people, you know, they are only doing it for monetary value. - Yes. - But they're like, "No, no, I love collecting it." And it's like, "Ew, ew." - Yeah, well, I mean, obviously there's a lot of that now.

- I love that now. Like in Japan, the card market is insane. - It's stupid now. - You can't go Akihabara and find decent prices at all. - No, no. - It's all. - You gotta go to the hidden areas now. - Yeah, hidden areas are just online a lot of the times. - But you can't trust the online, that's the thing. You gotta go to a card shop and actually see the card physically to be like, okay, this price, I see the card that's there. 'Cause like I've heard so many horror stories of like people trying to buy expensive cards on like middle card and just being scammed.

- Yeah. - Essentially. And because their return policy is kind of gray as well. So a lot of people have just taken advantage of that being like, it's a holo, trust me. - Yeah. - I got scammed. - Meet my end, please. - I got scammed with Pokemon cards as well. - Oh, really? - Yeah, it was Gumtree. - Oh, I remember Gumtree. - Gumtree all the time. - The lawless eBay of the UK is Gumtree. - I need to meet up in person. - Well, it was selling booster boxes, like the basic booster boxes. It was like 50 quid. And I was like, whoa, what is steel? - Yeah. - I bought four.

And then he just never sent them. You know, like there was no guarantee. Probably worth the risk. Well, back then, you know, still, there was a lot for what they were. Like 200 pound, 300 pound was supposed to box back then. And I was like, oh, this is amazing. And I just want to have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, I used to go on Gumtree all the fucking time. Did you? Yeah. I used to just haggle. I didn't even want stuff. Fuck.

- Really? - I would just haggle. - I just wanted to win. - I think I was just one of those people that was obsessed with getting a deal. So I think I would just mass spam people for like stuff that I was like semi-interested in and just low ball the shit out of them until someone was like, okay, fine.

- But you'd like eBay 'cause you can make an offer. - Oh no, 'cause they'd get like aggressive on eBay if you did. - Gumtree is more like the wild west, you know. - It's like Facebook marketing. - 'Cause it was people who just wanted to get rid of shit. So I remember the one time I bought a 3DS XL from this guy and he told me to meet up and everything felt like a drug deal. The way he like was talking and the way he told me to meet was like, it wasn't like, "Hey, meet me here."

There's a city hall, meet me at the third tree facing north. And I was like- - I'll be carrying around a stylus. - I was like, okay. So I was standing next to this tree and I remember he agreed to pay me. He was like, yeah, Pokemon Y is on it too. And it was the Pokemon Y, the branded one. And I was like, okay, sure. Yeah, I'll get it. I was like 17 or 18 at this point. No, I was 18. And I was like, yeah, sure, fuck it. Okay, I'll come meet you there. And so I waited this corner

next to the city hall in Swansea, I remember this, and there's a tree and a Porsche pulled up and all tinted windows. Guy in a suit rolls down the window. It doesn't roll down. He's like, Nintendo DS? I was like, yeah. And

He's like, do you have the money? He said, do you have the money? I was like, yeah. So I hand the 50 pounds and then he just takes it and then like, kind of like, almost like he's like trying to get rid of a bomb. He kind of just throws it out the window, pass it to me and he's like, all right. And then just fucking like goes away. It was probably stolen maybe. Might've been. Probably. But it wasn't like, he wasn't like, we gotta meet right now. He was like, what are you doing on like Wednesday? I was like, all right. Or it was like filled with coke.

- And then the bastard, you know, I opened this DS and obviously he'd factory reset it, but already had used the code for Pokemon Y online. So I couldn't even download it. But I mean, it was 50 pounds. - That was the cash. - Oh, that's good. - It was a good price. - You wanted to drive off before you could check that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Motherfucker. - That was it. - Motherfucker. Yeah, that was good. Good Nintendo DS. But I just remember that it was really weird. Gumtree was fun. I used to load ball the shit out of people.

I was just fun. I didn't even want it half the time. - Is your favorite Pokemon dinosaur? - No. - Because there are dinosaur Pokemon. - Oh yeah, the fossils. Love those guys. - Are any of those your favorites? - Best fossil Pokemon? - Best fossil Pokemon? - I have a soft spot and it's not even that good. I like Omanyte because it's just like a- - It's a cute boy. - It's like an Ammonite. - It's a cute boy. - It's an Ammonite. - Cute baby boy. - My favorite Pokemon is probably Psyduck.

- That's such a wild card. - That's cute that he just hurts himself. - He's just dopey and silly, isn't he? He's cute, he's cute. And he's got lots of merch, so.

- That's true. Japan loves side-offs. - I saw you've been getting into Warhammer recently as well. - Oh, we've talked about the employees chosen. - You've truly, truly, truly completed the dad route now. - Fuck, I wanna get into Warhammer so bad. - Yeah. - Dude. - I feel like it'd be so fun. - You will never regret it, trust me. - I feel like I just won't be able to have any other hobby. - No, no, no. I have seen people- - It's an expensive hobby.

- Not as expensive as Pokemon. - Just wait until the miniatures become- - Oh my God, you have the emperor's penis miniature. I need it. - 'Cause I'll be honest, Warhammer fucking terrifies me because I've had people who have gotten into Warhammer. You are one of those people now. And it seems like once you get into Warhammer, you don't have time to do many things else, many other things outside from

Going into the Warhammer. War, War, War. War, War, Warhammer. Because there's so many different aspects to it. There's obviously like the collecting aspect, the board game aspect, and then just the lore aspect as well. Because Sidney's brother has recently gotten into Warhammer and he's read like

five books over the past few months. - 40K. - Yeah, the 40K. - This also scares me. People are like, "40K?" There's different like- - Factions. - Yeah, age or similar. There's two different age games. - I'm like, "There's five books? "One of them?" - Five? There's hundreds. - I know, I know. - Connor's like, "I have to read?" - Someone who reads the books, and then I'll be like, "Oh, so you play with the miniatures?" They're like, "What are you talking about?"

- Yeah. - They're like, "No, I only fuck with the law." I'm like- - Yeah. - Yeah. I get it. - I think I remember this one 'cause I had no idea. The only thing I know about Warhammer is that it's the shit you can buy from Games Workshop back in the UK. And so when Sydney's brother got into it, I was like, "Okay, I don't know much about Warhammer. Can you give like the basics of what even is Warhammer? I hear so much about it." He proceeds to talk for about

30 minutes. Yeah. And I had done that. And I had, you understood none of it. No idea. I, it had not helped me understand what Warhammer was in the, in the 30 minutes. Like he, he was telling you what he's on right now. Probably. Yeah. There needs to be like that entry level. Yeah. Otherwise it's just overwhelming.

So there's so much going on. And like you said, you've got the painting side. You've got people who just build the stuff and don't paint it. You've got the lore as well, all the audio books and stuff and the games as well. You've got like the real-time strategy ones. You've got Space Marine 2 that just came out not too long ago as well. So, I mean... Yeah, that's what terrifies me. It's just there's so much out there. It's like, where do I start? It depends up to you, yeah.

I started when Lord of the Rings had Warhammer back in the day. I used to collect like the Uruk-hai. Wow. And it was my friend who was in a 40k and it wasn't until...

COVID happened again. I had no time. Like, plenty of spare time. And I had the Dark Souls board game. Oh, okay. That has minis. And I started painting those minis. And then my friend was like, oh, you should try painting this thing. This warm hammer thing. So I paint like the Necrons, which are just metal boys, which you can't mess up. You paint metal paint and slosh some shade on it, you're good. Yeah. You know, I didn't want to start something too crazy because then you're like, oh, I feel

No, I'm not gonna paint ever again. So yeah, I mean I've done it for five years now? So are you just the lore kind of guy or play the game kind of guy or what? The best thing to do is whatever you're painting, what faction, put on a lore video. Then while you're painting it, you're learning about the gun, you're learning about the history, and you're like, yeah, that's great. But the problem is the longer you're in the hobby, you switch.

Because I used to be all about different alien races that went to space marines. So you end up with loads of different armies. I've lost count how many miniatures I've painted. But again, it's up to you whether you want really good quality stuff. You want an airbrush or if you want slap chop, which is basically just like dry brushing everything and getting it to a good stand. So have you played Warhammer? I played one game of this game.

Series so far of 10th edition and that's it The models don't change maybe new ones come out but the rules change

And the size of the board changed. Oh, so it's like Yu-Gi-Oh. Yeah, I guess, yeah. It's like a new thing comes in. They add new shit in. Exactly. Yeah, right. Unfortunately, like D&D, you can do it all online. You can see all the rules and stuff. Games Workshop, they've got an app now, which you can kind of do, but it's still paid for. But there are other things out there. You can find the rules. Yeah, right, right. But yeah, so I've only had one game. I was really into...

I think it was. But to learn all the rules, I just like painting. I would love to get into it. It seems like so fucking fun. Honestly, when you're playing a game against like your mate or whatever, you're just having a good time. It just seems like a steep learning curve to get into, but I feel once you're in, you're in. Just start with what looks cool. Right. Paint that and then slowly build out from there. Right. Okay. I think that's the best thing. Whatever you think looks cool, you don't get into the meta and like, oh, what's the best thing to play? Yeah.

Or even if it's budget, there's certain armies that are horde armies that need hundreds of models. And there's other ones which are... And they're expensive as well, right? They're pretty pricey. Horde armies are expensive, no matter what. Or you can be like Henry Cavill and collect the custodians, which one model is your army, basically. Right, right. You can do it that way. So depending on budget, free time, all this different jazz. But yeah.

- Get it. Build it, paint it, paint it. - Well man, thanks for coming on. - It was a pleasure talking with you. - It's been such a fun episode. And glad to have you on because we would never have organically talked about half the shit we talked about here.

- I actually learned a lot from this. - I don't know if any of these dinosaurs are real that you told me today. - Maybe I'm just lied. - You could have lied. I would not be able to tell. - Biggachatosaurus is a real thing. - Bigdongsaurus. - You swore. - I did see it. I saw that rock actually. - But hey, look at all these patrons though. I'm sure they all love dinosaurs. Hey, let us know in the comments. What's your favorite dinosaur?

James, point to a patron on the screen right now. Who's your favorite? That guy likes Parasaurolophus. I don't even pronounce that. Don't forget to go check out James' channel as well. Oh, yeah. The Gaming Beaver. That's me. Go check it out if you want more dinosaur goodness. But hey, if you want to go support the show. And by the way, check out monthly. Sorry, not monthly.

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