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Hello, i'm very fast. The flagship podcast of international message standards. They mean he really is honest. If you look at the apple podcast catalogue, you look at the whole thing I like.

Which one of these is the flagship podcast of interOperable messaging standards? We have a stronger claim to that. Yeah is anything it's not the israel client show.

Also the poets world needs this. The like ultra specific like that netflix style genre stuff that exists. Like I went that for podcasts. I want to listen podcast exclusively about how the dma will affect a messaging up that no one in europe uses and that we had a big fight about in slack. And it's just like there .

are is this is the future of A I is you pick your celebrities and you pick your topic and you just sort of get IT during the podcast. But in casing once said to me, the problem with this market is that you can pick literally any two celebrities and they have interviewed each other on a podcast yeah, and you ve got to break through that and I like, alright, i'm and asked nerds about decisions. No one is going to have done that before.

But this is what I I is for. You want to get dark shepard, re. Larson and free larson. Just head to head on. R. C. S.

I would listen for hours.

copy. We did. There is quite a lot of what we are starting in the midst of breaking news.

Apple is going to adopt our CS next year. That is in the context of a massive amounts of european regulation. We have to talk about all of that.

We got clips to run. I've threatened to campaign USB c in this context, but I won't explain how or why to my cohoes. They look scared when I said that the epic versus google trial is ongoing. Google versus do jays ongoing? Microsoft dd A I conference only other living round.

Then there's like Taylor ship fan s are using huge amounts of data all over the place is jam packed show in the on top of that for the youtube audience, we're going to look at some formula for wearable success graphs after the credits because I don't think that makes for compelling radio. I I went and listen to the conversation from last week. I was like, this is some of the worst radio, someone doing bad algebra and then trying to describe a graph. Again, this is what A I is for. It's like, you could ask A I for, I pog guess, the A, I like being, or you.

I know we could have deck shepard. A, I do that and we didn't.

Hrt is sorry against the rules. I won't let you make a chemical weapon, and I won't let you describe .

graphs via deck shepard.

Via deck shepard. R, I would start breaking news before we start the ship. Apple put out a statement, a weird statement in a weird way, unsigned statement to nine five back.

And that is great. Yeah, i'm just a weird, weird approach. Chance in this, the apple had been attributed to know in the nine five mak.

We trust one of five mak. It's great. We've asked for formal attribution, but apple is going to adopt R, C, S.

Next year. Next year. That was very, very explicit in .

the statement.

You ve got to, you have to. They said later next year, we'll be adding support for rcs universal profile. The standard is currently published by the gsm association. We believe rcs universal profile will offer a Better international ability experience when compared .

to us or mms fairs.

Yeah, that's true. This will work alongside imessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for apple users.

Yes, OK, there is what that statement says. And then there is what a lot of people want that statement to mean. And we should peel apart the difference between those two things yeah, because it's very important. What that statement says is that apple's messages APP on the iphone and presumable other devices, because apple has message, is APP on other devices, will support R C S messages.

R C S universal profile messages. fair. I also an important to say.

yes, that's very good. What that doesn't mean is that the blue bubble, Green bubble thing is over and that apple is now integrating R C S into I message or integrating imessage into R C S. IT, in fact, means precisely not that.

And IT is just like, I I just want to put that out there. Like what this means is that Green bubbles will now send messages that presumably include full resolution photos and videos, which they have not before. Huge Victory. Possibly the only thing that IT means IT also means they're encrypt IT. It's Better like get a Better protocol .

than SOS in always even possibly not the only thing like we don't know what the entries tion rcs encryption is a long, winding, complicated road.

I'm hung up on the fact that, that says very specifically this will work alongside ee message.

right? So let's put this whole thing in the context and .

then an unpack IT. Yes.

because apple has been dragged to this kicking and screaming, they have not wanted to do this. The european union is essentially forcing them in the opposition where they have to do IT. I will say the eur, an union, is not making them do IT.

Yeah right. So there's like a lot of unwinding to to unpack there. But lets start with, apple doesn't want to do this.

And I think the best evidence we have of apple not wanting to do this is tim cook at the code conference, not this past code conference with the one before where he answered a question about rcs by telling the person to buy their mmm and iphone. We have the clip. It's our clip, it's our conference. And can we run the code conference clip? How do you think Steve would feel about adapting rcs rich communication systems that would Normalize and .

streamline that? Tim, can you bring peace to the phone wars?

He always told me not to wonder what he would thought, just to do the right thing. I don't hear our users asking that, that we put a lot of energy and on that at this point. And so now I would like .

continue, I would .

love to convert you to I D.

OK just it's tough not to make a personal, but I can't seem my mom certain videos, or you can see see me certain .

videos and so we, your mom, I, the glee with which he said by a moment, iphone.

he was so happy.

I mean, he had IT, he had IT in chAmber. He fired that gun. He was ready. So here's what I will offer you. One, we ran that story, tim cooks as by on the iphone.

This is barely over a year ago, by the way. Like it's it's it's useful to say that this is not like eight years ago, like we've been time about rs long time, and there have been proponents of R C S. For a really long time. This is not like generations ago thinking of R C S. This is fourteen months ago that tim could accept and .

our own deter bone before he went off to google disclosure data rica. Google wrote pieces for us to like the moral case for adopting encysted messaging, because ms, in this country, especially unencrypted, stored on your career servers, totally accessible to the police, to bad actors, to sold to data brokers, there's a deep in a biting moral case for adopting an encysted messaging standard across all the Carriers, across all the platforms.

Apple just hasn't done IT, and they have ve had used by your mom and iphone is what they've said. So that has been their position and nothing has moved them off of that position. Even a person saying to tim cook, my mom can't send me videos. His answer has been, go by iphone.

There are documents and testimony and emails in the various trials over the past few years or on switching costs, particularly epic verses apple, where we have seen senior apple executives argue about opening up my message, ea q, and fills shelter back and forth in some emails. We should open this up the responses. No, if we open up our message, people won't give their old iphones to their kids.

They might buy cheaper android devices. This is locking, and they know it's locking. Whether or not you want to admit that it's locking. Apple knows that we have the emails from their executives. They know that switching away from eye message in the united states is really hard, and IT keeps keep on the iphone.

Fair enough to the context for all of this is not the nothing, though I think nothing would really like to mean we can get to that. The context for this is today, the day we're recording in thursday. This is the deadline big companies have to file appeals to the european digital markets act, which would designate certain services as gatekeepers and require them to be interOperable.

So I message might be one of those get keeper services. What's that might be one of those get keeper services? There are some rules. You have to be so big, have so many users, make so much money, okay, like that, some eu regulation.

What IT is not is a regulation that says apple has a doubt, T, R, C, S, or yet in the regulation says apple to open up a message. So what you can see is happening here is apple is going to appeal the gatekeeper sentience of my message, which they have already said they're going to do. And as part of that appeal, you're going to say, look, we adopted rcs, this interOperable, potentially encrypted standard that everyone else is using, and we'll just have our own thing on the site.

That is my read. I don't think that apple is doing this out of good thing to their heart. I think they are trying to protect my message from european regulators, and they are finally taking me out of R C. S.

I think that's right.

Part of what's tRicky about this is that what the dma means by inOperative kind of remains to be seen, right? Like we've heard some rumbling that um there's like code in the what APP APP that suggests you may be able to see messages from other platforms inside of WhatsApp. Meta has been on this quest, or at least was at one point on a quest to unify all of its messaging system infrastructure across all the apps.

So this question of lake, should I be able to access all of my messaging apps from any of my messaging apps is one version of what inter Operable looks like. There's another version of inOperable. And I think this is what apple would like the definition to be that just says we all support a standard. It's like email, what we built around IT is up to us .

or next to IT.

Yes, whatever. But like gmail has stuff that only works if you use gmail, but it's still a fully functional email client, right? Like that's that is a version of an interOperability story that you can tell.

I think there are a lot of correct concerns about what gmail doing to the email lead that to the so this question of like is the right answer that all of these messaging systems should be required to talk to each other. That's one thing. And I think that's probably fairly unlikely.

I think apple fix that with this. I can say we are now tapped into what everyone agrees, the universal standard. We've done our job. This is an interOperability. Leave us alone.

There's way it's just lacking in details. That's the thing I keep getting hung up on us. We don't know what the the degree of that interOperability is with our message, right? Because it's a along sides. So that could mean it's a whole other APP.

Technically, yes, I don't know if it's screen bubbles, but with someone in our are talking about IT suggested to be red, which is very good, like rcs measure of as blood red bubbles. And that is just going to get you to stop using IT yeah, I think what you are gonna get is some of the basically high resolution photos. You will get group chats that don't break amongst st mixed devices and mixed phones in over time.

I don't know that's true.

Yeah right. Like IT depends on how much. This is why I said the R C S. Universal profiles, an important part of this story, especially because they're written as written by the gsma today. This is an evolving standard that is not perfect.

Are the tap backs emerge like all this stuff you need to support for, make the messaging have parody between devices and platforms and not just platforms to treen phones. Between messaging apps on the phones, samsung messages uses different tap backs and emotion es than google message. This is is very complicated. And there's a reason that the landscape fragments, but IT is also very well known, that the fragmentation creates locking.

So i'm just going to mention something that is bananas to bring up in this context, especially because of what happened in two thousand, one, when the bushed administration approve the A A L time Warner no got, which I would say historically not of success, and in fact might be such a historic failure that people bring up all. But in two thousand, one, when the bush administration people bring IT up all the time, they wrote a book much, but the bush administration, not you're a gag and liberals, but push administration, the war in iraq. One approved the A, L time on the merger.

The biggest condition on this merger was the A L open up A L instant messenger to interOperability because they are biggest fear was that by mongers together, content pipes that you would, everyone to sign up for the service, and then there would be no competition, because no one would ever leave ill in some messenger. Now, this fear turned out to be not the biggest problem with this, but when the government evaluated to what are the competitive harms of allowing these two big companies are bigger, the number one thing they looked at was this messaging service is locking. Yeah, this is a million years ago in what you have right now is the eupeptic on looking at a bunch of big services with lock and effects, saying, how do we make these markets more competitive in passing rules? So you end up with the USB.

c. On the one hand, we want to cut down e waste. We want to make all these products for interfering. You have the digital markets act, which says some of these products are gatekeepers.

They need to open up in the transparent some of these products, our core services, and they need to be interOperable. And I was wrong earlier. H, I, message is not, uh, gatekeeper.

IT would be a core service. Google has argued his filed letter, saying my message should be considered a court service. And we made to be made interpretation how you get to something. R, S, and you see the european government is saying, okay, these markets are not competitive enough in the same way that, again, the a bush administration, twenty years ago, twenty two years ago, thought, okay, messaging apps create, lock in, we should force in the filter up.

All was there, just like a really big ICU fan in the bush administration.

like I got to protect that I was looking for. There's a very long memo, the fcc route about messaging, walk in in two thousand, one that's like we're going to do this. And by the way, I pushed back on this, like this is all just an echo of ancient history in tech, but messaging apps create rockin is not some new idea.

And again, we've seen the evidence, again, from our own history of tech policy, from emails between apple executives themselves who know IT, from the evidence produced in the european and dma process from google, which is obviously self interested. And I I think this is the right move. But I think as we've all been saying, how they execute this, if they just drop in R, C, S as the thing that s is today, I have no idea how I will be an improvement. Well.

I think it's really important that the fact that they're still planning to appeal.

right, all the matter is appealing IT for messenger.

They're pealing IT for messenger because like, well, this thing we force everybody to download in order to communicate on facebook definitely has nothing to do with lock IT. Yeah sure guys.

In a funny way, like in the context of the dma, whats up is a much more interesting case here. Then I message like we have this big argument and slack this week when the nothing chat stuff came out. If we haven't .

been talked about.

no, we will get to that. Nothing is a boring company full of boring technology will come back. Nothing, no, nothing. Released a thing with a company called sunbird that basically lets you use I message looking tech on your android phone. It's sort of interesting and sort of sketchy.

We should come back WhatsApp is just like orders of magnitude bigger and more important in europe than I message or anything else like our our whole international team was like, who cares wise this news everybody uses what's up? Americans are idiots for using eye message. They're not wrong.

It's a fair take. Three hundred and fifteen million americans, yeah, not blooded americans.

love their blue bubbles. Every morning I have my take up truck engine and I send some blow bubbles.

No, our problem as a country is what we love is SMS, which is, which is the actually the interesting thing here. Like if, if, if you like boiled ed, the goal of R, C S the way down, like get out of the sort of intercompany politics at all. Its goal is to replace S M S, which is bad, in secure technology, with Better, more secure, more media focus technology.

Like the people who make the standards are not interested in, like the google, apple fight. They're just saying, S, M, S sucks. We built IT is like a rounding error for Carriers to send up twenty five years ago.

We need a Better system that is Better for sending media. It's more security, has larger file sizes like we just have to open up the pipes of message sending. So in that sense, R C S is like an A A univerSally good idea.

It's kind of a messy technology. But like, so is S N S right? Like all of IT is weird and monkey and has this issues. But like, I think R C S is an obvious update on S M S, just a Better every way. The question is and this goes back to a team cook says is like our apple users clAmbering for this.

And I think the product case that you can make, which they made in the question to him, is like what people are sending me videos and images that look like shit because they come from an android phone. And so apple here can do the bare minimum and still tell both a product and a security story. That is also a case to regulators about interpret ability.

So like to me the idea that apple would go out of its way to like interest this Better and make IT seem nice is lucas. It's going to replace bubbles with R C, S, wherever IT can because it's going to make the like lowest common dominator of messaging Better. And then it's never gona talk about IT again.

Is this kind of fix that issue where when something from an android phone since you a video is .

the size of a .

postage stamp IT should the idea okay.

I mean, that's the only thing I really run in to besides the whole like potential to be hacked into photo.

horrible resort.

One funny thing I was thinking .

about in the context of this is and of my wife is die hard android user and absolutely said that they will never switch and we have resorted to sharing photos and videos via google photos, like that's just where all our stuff lives, because if I texture a picture, IT comes through like a nineteen ninety two phone camera shot IT. And so now we have this thing where it's actually with bypast apple products, because apple has made this experience so painful for both of us to try and do this. And if i'm apple, it's like, okay, this there is a little tweak we can make that might actually solve some of our problems without creating any new ones for us.

Now the more the more you are talking about this, the dear apple seems just to be blunt about IT. Yeah, they have bet against people in the united states switching to any other message service, knowing that s is insecure and a privacy risk, just because all that stuff sitting on your career servers unencrypted in a like that stuff can be sold. We ran uh quick post last week.

Uh there is privacy suit against car manufacturers caught up in some like litigation strategies stuff and part of IT is car makers when they adjust the text from france can just need to hold your text a blame text because as mesa shit and so apples like running around caring about privacy. They have internal documents who have seen from some he's rosing and there is a tracking machine it's against. And then they know they are betting against consumers in this country switching to anything that is more secure they're bedding against to be able to send photos and video your family.

And their answer is that you should buy their hardware to achieve a Better software. Yeah, I mean, like that is just calls, right? Like we should just call them out as something not like we were at the end of the road in some way like it's been careless.

the entire and that is the story i'd like. I don't think there is another read of the situation that doesn't end there. Like apple, apple is convinced that the solution you will devise to this experience sucks is you will buy more apple products.

And like apple s not the only company to rely on crappy products to make you buy their products. But IT is that is what they're doing. And so I mean, he said as much pire.

mom and iphone, yeah, that was a bringing called thing he said because guys, yeah, if IT was IT was funny, right? Like I was very funny. I laughed watching IT but but at the same time, the guys like, I can't text my mom photos and his like, again, buyer and iphone and is like in the context of that room, given what code conference is that kind of make sense? But like.

yeah all the other billionaire in the room like .

I have a yeah the yeah .

like I spent my girl is furious yeah yes and then everyone else I don't mean to say it's cause like it's maliciously wrong. I mean to say like they pick their business interest over their values, which we have been seeing across these trials, especially the dog trial with google. When IT comes to privacy, apple says one thing and they take the money from another thing, like over and over and over again.

When IT comes to that default search deal with google, they will go out in public and they will bash google over the head and will bash android and say, they on track you and then the check clears. They're sending every search you make to google, and google making all that money back by running advertising against the surge you make on the iphone. And you put that next to this rcs decision.

And you know, OK, until the european union pushed up onto a corner, they were more than happy to say the answer to private messaging on our product is not even figuring that out or getting your friends cees whats up or signal or whatever is. It's bine iphone and that just IT shit out of the box. The iphone should be able to send encrypted messages to every other phone. Yeah you should not have to run into mark lock berries .

waiting or if you just look like signal or something out yeah.

But this is the thing. We if you look at the chinese market, you look at the eupeptic, those markets are more competitive in terms of device switching.

The united states because the APP is .

the lock and not the so you just see here, once you have an iphone, you you're sit on IT forever. Where's in europe there? There's a little bit more device switching because what's happy is the message layer in china.

Its we chat is the messaging layer. And actually the application layer in japan is what line you see these other markets for the the lock in layers and application that runs across everything, phones and people switch phone all time. In india there is, yes, we bring this about it's my favorite phone market.

There's like ten new android phones released a week. And because IT is just such a viBrant competitive market for phones and we just seen none of IT a former virtual sandbay, ford has a new newsletter adds he is based in japan. Here's a great piece recently about a chinese phones and like Willy and like a and using like attack.

And he points out that the american phone you are has no view into those markets, does not use those phones and often just sort of bias apple le's line that the camera is Better. And I like has just fake branding. He's like actually will link IT. It's just a good read. You can disagree or not disagree with that.

to be fair. Like IT was fake branding on a .

quite a few phones, right? But now the phones have like accelerated. It's just like a really interesting piece, like the view in a more the view from a more competitive market is always, I think, fascinating and illuminating even if you disagree at the end. But our market for phones is extremely uncompetitive because of the lock in that is imposed by that. We don't anyway just say google doesn't do IT too or wouldn't if I could.

but he has tried so many times well. And I think it's also telling that apple's market share in the U. S.

Is so high as a result, right? Like one of the reasons this matters so much in the U. S.

Is because so many people use iphone here is IT is a dominant platform here. In a way, it's not just about anywhere else. And a huge part of that is because of eyes message like the strategy.

Worse, it's there is no question about how to enact that strategy and sold to to some extent, you'd be crazy to stop doing IT, right? It's like those emails between them where they like, oh, we should do I message for android. Anyone thinking about returning value to shareholders is gonna like shoot you dead with a snapp r rifle for having that conversation.

Yeah I I think that's what drives IT right. Like they got ta return that value. But it's a huge business decision and and is the same with a lot of the things they do that feel like kind of crappy. Yeah, the rain was a big discussion to this week of like the eight gig bites of them on the map t pro. And that's something they've been doing for for decades at this point is like being kind of cheap on the rama and up, selling you via them and and sodding in the rain and all of this student and just because yeah makes them extra money and their company and the time is to make money.

Tim cook does have that sniper eye.

He does.

It's a real thing. The last thing I about the thing, and we should move on, go back to that code clip, tim says, I don't see your customer is asking for this. I can see our traffic. I can see how many people are reading the iphone sporting R C.

S. It's just we saw earlier this week the target CEO said something similar. Who's like guy? I don't see customer is asking us to take all the shapes out of the lock boxes.

They are saying .

thank you yeah and it's like what what customers are you talking to, tim? Or target CEO like who?

Well, this is I think they're not people aren't asking for R C S. Like I I genuinely believe and nobody is Emily tim cooked, except for like deeper saying, why don't you support R C S? I think he's T M at apple dcom. If you want to send him to know, I don't know if he reads them or not, but he gets them. But what people reasonably can and should ask for is my mom can't send me a picture right like that is.

The thing, and I think whether by regulatory reasons or because apple just decided this is not the hell to die on which I don't think is the case, i'm pretty sure it's just regular or reasons like it's gonna get Better for those people even if they don't understand the underlying technology because they shouldn't have to. And this is the thing that apple always says IT does right, is it's like we are going to make good decisions for you and not require you to think about IT and what he has done in this case. To your earlier point, life is over and over. Not give people the Better option even though IT existed uh, so IT is IT is good news to see IT finally happening even if it's clearly not out of just like the goodness of apple heart.

Again, the execution, I think, was neither aran team brought up the phrase malicious compliance today, like we have to see. This is where I was going to complain about USB c. Are you ready for this? And then will end IT the number of devices I have.

Now, where all the manufactured has done is take out the microsoft port and put in a USB c port without the core spotted. This is like two resisters they need to put in there, but they haven't done IT. So you can only charge with A U, S, B, A 和 U S， B C cable. I have the it's like an increasing number of devices.

What are these devices?

So it's everything from, like our extremely stupid milk froth or that we use .

to stir protein scouter .

and the water feels like you're fault. Like and then I have one of those human metabolism track kers that are they really like, yeah because this is like a gadget, like a silicon valley venture funded gadget company USB A U S B C. And it's like the whole range i've got to people.

I've got all kinds people on threats right now just listing the gadgets they have. They are broken in a specific way. And the thing that has not been done, i've learned all about this today. The thing that has not been done n is when you call for power from USB c charger, you can either do with the complicated way and send data and do the thing, or you can just have two little resisters that tell IT just send me five, five votes yeah.

I mean.

that's a poll penny standard. Can you doing in those .

pennies like that? Really the manufacturer .

are are cheaping out and everyone, everyone is having to click stock USB. D, S, B, C. It's driving me bananas .

that would be like brutal. You get to the hotel room and you just want to frost some milk and you ve got to, I, I love my USB. C, D, USB, a cable in home that's brutal.

Anyway, i'm saying you you can impose the standard IT does not mean people will not be IOS. This is like the .

the rate to repair stuff that happening right now with like parts paring becoming a big issue. It's like, okay, technically you can repair your apple devices, but the parts that exist are digitally pared to the product itself. So yes, in theory, you can take IT apart, but can you actually do anything with all the different pieces? No, you can. It's like, do we solve anything here?

Here's a list from thread. It's a chinese Walker talkies. Somebody pointed out to me that they have like amazon altima supreme off brand massage guns like get there gone, but like an off friends and you know I mean, uh, headphones apparently headphones are the worst of these offenders. But lots of USB c headphones are actually USB a in secret.

I bet all the beat headphones.

apple, apple.

like if you yeah no.

i'm just it's it's out there. You can see A U, S, B, C port in the the number of ways things can go wrong for you just keep steadily increasing.

I don't like IT .

and I like I. I think the your opinion should keep doing stuff like our government isn't.

I was like I I would be nice if the government of the country that actually uses eye message did something there.

That message on as an android, right? We got to take a break when complaining about governments come back and complain about A I see it's going to be great. It's very much read back.

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OK, we're back. Lots of A I news. This week microsoft had a conference.

We branded some things get into youtube as a new deep fake policy which actually intention google AI tools fascinating. There's kind of a lot going on. Let's a microsoft what happened at this conference?

The end else, new processors.

That's what you want to talk about, right? I will talk. I did the entire code conference.

Every single person chips, and they also man at the the entire eye. Industry runs on one side of chips. yeah.

Which is why IT is no surprise that when jensen huang, the CEO of in video, showed up microsoft hic night after they just announced a bunch processors to compete with, his was still there saying generative A I is the single most significant platform transition in computing history. I would absolutely expect that from van who is a billionaire.

because I then apt this humane AI pen finished.

But but yes, so so obviously the actual big news that happened was they're getting rid of being chat there. They're changing the name of IT is not going to be microsoft copilot.

I love how like this .

is the biggest news. This is the biggest news and it's very it's funny news because I was just earlier this year. They're like ping chat yeah it's gonna be being is all about being and then like we finally figured out an actual good name and it's copilot. Now don't don't worry about that.

Being is good name. What we're going with .

for there's like there's big and it's and this is our right name copilot. I feel like a Better for generative A I assistance that like you're supposed to be friends sort of with there's .

some history here first. Others like a lot of history with being, yes, not of all of IT good, not all of the good then we are ganging. It's like we're coming up on one year since ChatGPT hit. It's been a wild year in the middle that year, you will recall all microsoft held its event where they announced being chat yeah.

and they're going to make google sweat dance.

This is to me, the dollar said to me, we're going to make I I want google to dance and I want people to know that we made them dance, which is, to this day, the coldest thing A C E O is ever said.

That's what snow White said to the evil stem .

people to know I made you dance. Just try saying that in your day to day life, just walk up to anyone you know and you like. I want them to dance, and I want you to know that I made them dance. There are so few moments where that is even close to appropriate.

Going to a open the next staff building that way. I want .

wired dance, and I want people to know that we made them dance. I'd mean that, by the way, you're why to start dance that it's all happened.

So because you're not here.

David. Yeah, we're just we're just losing our minds here. The great time certain deal says this thing and he falls up, uh, instead of a lot of people, any scrap of market sure that they can take from google represents billions of dollars. Yeah, they took zero scrap of market here from google.

That's not true. There's probably took .

like a scrap my nine dollar coffee this morning. That's what they do was .

IT was a win for being in that we talked more about being this year than we have cumulatively in the history of the universe.

Yeah but they also pointed out that naming things that microsoft ale is impossible. Sure, right? The sort of trademark reviews and legal reviews.

And does this word mean a dirty word? Another language is all very difficult and like being is just sitting here. And actually no one ever thinks about IT at all. It's like the opposite of a name, right?

We're just going to see what happens. It's like what does copy low in friends?

Like yeah and the answer is what being means to most people is that I definitely tried to bang Kevin roose on the front page in. Then I got, I would say, in its feelings with benton son instatement.

Y, I don't think that's true. I think that massively overstates well.

what that means. That's what that means to me. But that is the story they ve got from being was the front page of the times this thing declared its love to me.

No, they announce being, I just looked at the google trends data more people were talking about being after the the sad passing of Matthew Perry, who played shader being then when being .

divided to being chat .

t but it's it's truth that like being as a rebranding big moment was not .

as no yeah. And then I think there's the problem. Did IT lies to all the time, which is if you're trying to replace search, just a real problem.

And we have written so many stories about what is going on the google search and the seo community has responded with such aggressively seo optimize responses to us, it's great. They're obviously going to out rank s in the hand, but being as a product was not Better than search like IT was not Better than google search. I think google's own search general experience, which is in beta, is a fascinating product. IT is not actually at this point Better than search.

Yeah tom did her our our post kind of announcing this three branding and I thought he he was really clear unlike being wasn't succeeding as the search product. But IT does actually succeed with helping people figure out spread sheet and stuff like that. And that's what microsoft is good at.

And so like, okay, realizing that searches and actually their way forward of generative AI. But it's actually as a tool to help this like productivity software that like that's a smart move. And it's like I want to make fun love, to make fun of being in being chat and all of that. But but what they did here was like, IT was smart.

IT was right. Move was really funny to me is I think microsoft got this exactly backwards. Like if you if you rewind to like february, march, microsoft was confident that being was going to be the front end for ChatGPT, right? That he was gonna.

This was gonna how most people interact with this cool new A I technology. OpenAI was just going to like keep building the underlying technology. IT launched ChatGPT is like a science project, like it's IT continues to be important to remember that no one had open a ee or anywhere else thought ChatGPT was going to be as big as I was.

And so microsoft is like we can build the front end for this thing. And IT turns out I got exactly backwards where ChatGPT is the front end for this thing and being is the real time web index that you can attach to that like being is now infrastructure to these other things rather than being like the main consumer product. And I think copilot as a way into some of that is fine.

They'll be attaching copilot everything in. I think the copilot name is ridiculous because there's copilot, but then there's copilot, which are the same but different and living different apps. And there is one thing but a lots of things. And I don't get IT .

all apple TV and T V plus.

Yeah just this is worse actually, I think yeah.

you're right.

But I think we got to this point where being one had a minute where IT was like we are going to be the consumer brand. We have never successfully been able to be by being a different front end onto the same sort of basic need. And just with IT because ChatGPT in OpenAI just absolutely completely ait lunch yeah and .

in the extensions order of ChatGPT is much more interesting than anything being totally I mean.

is trying being microsoft is trying that too. One of the other things they are was uh copilot studios, which basically does the same thing that OpenAI is doing pretty natural text ways to like programme new bods. And in that case, i'm almost like wool.

Microsoft t is probably much Better equipped to handle a big store of a bots than open a eye, which we talked about last week, is clearly not ready for that. So gonna just immediately throw. Microsoft doesn't say they lost this.

They screwed that up. I think like they've pivoted and probably really smart direction. Yes, to still stay a part of this conversation but like being is is done as as like this whole is IT beings moment. It's not microsoft .

s is a big winner in all of this. I think in a big way that I think what it's done with copilot, stupid name aside, he's really smart, right? It's like IT.

Microsoft has leaned into what are actually its core competence. Cy is which is like putting helpful tools into apps that people use, right? Like A I to help you turn your spread sheet into slide decks.

S is just an unbelievably good idea. And I think there is an overwhelming chance that microsoft gone to be Better at that than anybody for a long time. A lot of this stuff microsoft working on is about azure as much as anything, right?

That's the reason I got in bed with the OpenAI. And the first place was what OpenAI needed was compute. So microsoft is gona build this compute. Then there's going to be a ton of competitors OpenAI, all of whom can use asura because microsoft is ahead, like microsoft is going to win in a big, big, big way here. IT just isn't going to win in like the cool way, if that makes sense, like it's not gonna be the number one APP in the APP store winner. It's just going to do what microsoft always does, which is be like kind of nerdy and quiet and makes so much money.

That's the microsoft, except with the experts sixty .

and the express one. I mean, they did promise to reinvent the television then IT didn't happen. Actually, this experience in the other thing they announce, I think, is super fascinating. It's windows APP. Yes, where you can now just download an APP that or run windows on the iphone, the ipad, the mac and pcs, which is IT makes sense once you think about IT for two seconds but is also just one of the funniest. It's just a virtualization.

It's like pink, my ride, like your dog or who you like.

Windows just funny on its face is like conceptually makes perfect sense that if you're going to sell virtualization windows, you should be able to run IT on a PC. But IT is just kind of windows is now APP to run on your windows is very good. He is I think this is one of the smartest moves that they made a long time because IT allows them to continue getting value out of the window of software ecosystem even as everyone kind of burns away from IT.

I mean, it's to the point of the interpret ability conversation we had just just in the significant for this. This is like just much more user friendly IT gives IT doesn't say he go buy a whole windows PC. To check out this upper, whatever that you need to work on. Yes, you don't have to do that, and that's nice.

It's consumers yet and still in testing. There's no android version yet. It's very much enterprise and you can IT streams. It's streaming basic remote to stop, but IT can stream windows from a room PC of your own as a virtual that stop windows three sixty five microsoft box and my shop remote to stop services. But it's called the windows APP, which is it's just very funny.

I I feel bad because I really like parallels, which is the the virtualization software to run windows on a mac. And if I can just do that.

I probably would. Just what parallels is IT doing great on some .

serious chips. That makes sense.

I don't know.

Answer question of that. Actually.

my wife's business runs windows out that SHE runs in parallel on an intel y, and we have not upgraded because I just i'm her right guy. Yeah and i'm just like you just keep you until mac, you just keep you got a twenty fifteen I mac up here you ever in the bigger stream and i've been waiting for basically this solution yeah like quite some time. But I think you're just watching sort of windows stop being to do a computer in the way that I think obviously the mac mac s is very tied to a machine. Yeah windows is not like a very distributed application layer.

IT turns windows into a web brother er in really like important and interesting way that is like instead of having all of your stuff, be web apps or whatever, you can functionally have them all still look and feel and work like local apps with all of the outsides of being available everywhere. Like microsoft is getting huge on edge rate as kind of the the front end to the next generation of software.

But IT can keep with windows, which is actually really smart, like backwards compatibility thing because there are all these people in the world who are like, I i'm not going to use the excel web up because gross and I have a bunch of stuff that doesn't work on the web, but I needed to work on my computer. And despite microsoft, such runway to let go after whatever is next, because you can either have a windows machine or you can run a windows machine on any kind of screen IT just IT makes you so much sticker. I think this is so smart for also, I haven't answered your parallel question.

I google IT. Can I just read you the blekeke sentence that i've read in a while? Yes, you didn't IT. I can IT if you really want to know. But we can come back to that. IT is to run windows eleven and applications on a mac apple silicon, you need to install an ARM based image of windows eleven that can run the majority of intel based windows eleven applications by using a built in emulator.

What warm like .

a hat on A T on a hat to .

get her? I'm just sending her the link to win this, seeing what happens in next. There is like one application that makes the entire one part of the legal system in new year s ago is IT word perfect and it's just like one do made one APP and all the layers use IT and that's the whole industry .

that's such a perfect example because every industry has one of those. They all run on windows and they all have not been update in fifteen years. And like na uni, have both spent time with windows executives or the years who are like desperate to figure out how to solve that problem because they like we can move forward in the ways that we know we need to move forward, and also continue to support the like hundreds of millions of users who use fifteen roles, software and needed to do their jobs. And like this, this is one big step in bridges, that gap in a really smart way.

When I called that company, which is like four people, and I said, hey, some parts, they just move through a worksheet because so many of their customers are people who want is max, yeah. And they need this one APP. And they were just they were just ready for me.

The one I ran into is for the longest time if you wanted to like there's a single beef check off and it's for cattle and stuff and it's it's not ef.

The story totally different and and .

it's it's very complicated. We're going to get into all of IT, but basically, you have to scan these tags in order to like rich through the cattle, make sure that y've been like process and had all their shots and all of that stuff before we slaughter them and eat them in delicious burgers. And the software, the two competing software and the more popular software is cheaper and only runs on windows ninety eight.

And so people are like Carrying around ancient as dell laptops and stuff. And I think they have start. Most of them have moved off. There is very few people left on IT with those very fewer like it's just so much cheaper yeah .

it's just so much easier. Like you this is like .

IMAX running ilog yeah what are you doing?

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Our back before the listing right now. I do want that. There's one thing I want to talk about.

Youtube this week rolled out a new defect. Quality is very early. We talk to them about IT for a while on youtube. There's two are only two classes of people to get deep fet. There's musicians who are basically not allow to a depict if they are una able that is part in refute be your musician in your label is in partner with youtube that are off. But if you're a musician on a label partner with youtube or the family of a dead musician on a label partner of youtube.

no to fix. Do you mean like deep fake videos or like the the A I covers? We've been seeing the place .

the AI covers 是 OK any is unique wrapping or singing voice.

the thing where you can sound like drake k is there .

not allowed youtube and I will tell you and noisy, this is very public universal music drakes label noisily announced with youtube threatening a deal. So like while I go. So it's like very obviously fake rake is no longer no exceptions. Oh, there's what there's one tiny exception. If you make a video that is news commentary or analysis, yes, you can have a little .

bit sick .

like what if it's just like really good and drake is like, you know what? You can have this one.

There's no, there's no automated enforcement of this yet. You had to fill out the form so jay could presumably choose not to fill out the form that that they mean.

Drake, do IT himself like drink. Watch the song.

Do you like robo circ? And you brought you open, brought you this, a windows nineteen eight application to fill out this this youtube form to that. That's one classic. People super protected, no AI voices for rapping and singing.

If you're on a table for youtube, everybody else, all kinds of exceptions, right? Parity, sad, tired, all the stuff like whether you are famous person or not, you get less protections in all of that looks like fair use like that is the fair use analysis on the instead of courts doing IT, youtube is going to do IT, and I don't know how they are going to do IT yet. So like right now, others, a concious sort react videos, there is always a controversy.

React because they are garbage.

There's something right in the the controversy is a oil that i'm going to try to sum up the controversy without getting us into the controversy yourselves. People make react videos, so like you made a video of someone else just making faces. Sometimes they reuse the faces.

They are not even reacting. It's just clips of faces and they they steal the views, which is a big deal on youtube because, I mean, move the money. People get very upset about this.

And there's one whole kind of conversation you can have about IT, but the conversation that gets had the most frequently as a conversation about coa law. why? Because the only thing that can get content removed from the internet reliably is copy law. So only functional speed regulation. And you look at youtube and how handles copyright a law IT just nopal out of the conversation, like you send a copyright dmc request to youtube, they tell the person that you ve sent a request to you, that person can respond and say no.

That's not right and the youtube says, boy, you guys disagree, you should go to court and that is that is the end of youtube s involvement, right? They will pass some emails back and forth between you and they will do their legal obligation to its hold notice and take that look. But they will not substantively decided something in's serious.

They will just go tary layers fired up with deep fakes. There's no copyright at law yet. There's no court cases.

There's nothing. There's no law against deep fix. There's no federal lot right of publicity or likely. Ss, so youtube is bringing IT in house the same way that youtube will say we have rules against things like covetous information or election denial or whatever.

And you're like, and how else that go are you doing? But like, right? IT, just as a messy.

It's super OPEC. No one knows networks. They're not going to publish any like precedent. I have core opinions. Know know he was worry quite right tly. As if they do that, people will try to game IT and find the boundaries so they don't want to do IT, but then they're na have to do IT because now there's going to be deep fix what is a parity. It's certainly can't music because the labels have been negotiated to themselves and more protections. So you just keep winding through this in one of the one of the roads are going to have is you have to label realistic AI generated content, especially if like news of that.

you the creator, right? You the creator on up, I do a bad, I I cover, i'm good. But if I do a good eye cover, I have to tell youtube that I did a good.

I know do A I covers is because the music is forbidden in.

So you make a video .

that's like how the titanic really, and it's just A I generated boats sinking. You have to label IT. So you like this.

is this at all? But I can do this time. I I just have to say this is fake .

that you can do drake, but you can do trump. Here's here's just didn't go SHE had a later tell what you .

here's my question. There's a youtube channel right now and all they do is a movie, a new movies announced like a big movie, saying else the cash is a cool, cool. This this youtube channel thing goes that makes an AI generated trailer.

And I just watched one for today for moana, staring and dia and the rock and IT had like a horrifying AI rock. Where is faces like morphing? Yeah and he's also the guy from moana. And so think .

things one on upload, that creator would have to say, OK, this is how I generated. And then to through some process, the rock could submit a form to youtube and say, I want us taking down, this is a deep fake of my lightness. And the youtube will go through sum analysis, which will be completely opake and make a decision. And I will .

not say why I made those .

decision. Disney is just making the ship on this franchise.

so don't know, just a content ID thing like youtube? No.

because they don't know. They can do IT. They've said us they're investing in the tools to detect air generated content. Those tools basically do not exist.

Now, yeah, computers can't recognize computers versus humans.

I think you can do IT in photo and video and audio to some extent it's really hard intact a open I try to have a tool. They tried to the open text and they pulled IT because I was so another lot yeah photo and video not .

IT maybe may I mean, was very clearly like, oh, people's faces don't melt like that when was be finally.

there are some stuff in their off in maybe the content authenticity I initiative will do what marking. But there's all the stuff you could do .

is the thing that youtube actually launched here basically just like a form you can fill out to be mad of video. If you're a record label.

that is a form you can fill out on uploaded, saying, I made this A I and in two forms, one that says i'm a major label artist partner with youtube, take this down. And another one that says i'm not a major label artist partner with youtube, please take this down. And they have different .

rules with the promise of technology .

to in the all, do we're .

going to get actors in studios doing IT too?

I you gotta make the thing is there's no law. Yeah, there's just youtube and its business partners desperately trying to get ahead of this problem. And you can see the business pressures are leading to unequal treatment.

Youtube desperately needs major label s to be happy. They're gonna get they. Here they are.

They have gotten special treatment. Okay, maybe youtube needs hollywood to be happy. yeah. The next term will be if you are an actor associated with a movie produced by one of our film studio partners will give you the no exceptions rule.

I'm just thinking of which like up incoming youtube artist who doesn't hasn't sign with a major label I can like whole scale rip off of yeah .

there are common. I'm going make so much. So I asked a follow question, which will put on the side. It's on the site yet. Maybe the time you listen this IT will be that means I have to do IT. But here is my question I asked, what if you take a pixel photo and you have run IT through best take, and now you've got a synthetic ultra realistic photo that was partially generated by AI? Well, youtube require that to be labelled.

Can you to block you an email for there?

Like here I start. We're taking you down. Just just what mean but this is the problem. You're onna run dead into your own if you are google and you run youtube, but you need these rivals and then the rest of google is just running full speed ahead and air generated content you are gonna quickly run into. I can take a series of photos on my pixel phone, and then I can just make things happen. That never happened.

I mean, forget that I can. I can type into a prompt in any number of google products to make the exact thing that is now not allowed on youtube. Yeah like I can get google to spit out the thing through its image generators and .

but that's like you at least doing IT right like i'm onna go to AI content tool and it's gona I think best take is on the the bullies to possible .

sure that's fair.

right? It's like these photos sort of really happen, but they didn't really happen. And like if you go, I encourage everyone to go watch the ad that google is running for best take.

But best take doesn't make your photos look like the rock is in IT.

right? But they are showing investing in the ads are running now. They are showing people like go from walking one another to not looking at one another, or from the rock to looking right, like just the basics of a photo.

Who was looking at what in what direction? When is that person smiling or frowning while you can just conduct A A moment we best take yes. And in the advertising, it's not I know everything's overreacting.

I'm saying watch the ad. This is a google as saying as you can do in their own marketing. So I ask youtube. Here's the response.

The goal of this substance is helping move you you to be Better informed about content that is realistic but altered, not punishing creators for using AI. There is an a single standard we can give you that, that will plan our case. And as with all decisions like this, context matters. If you using best tak to pick an image where everyone's eyes are open, you could have probably done that yourself by taking more photos and likely not something you need to disclose. But if you're using the text to make IT sem icky, a place that you actually warned IT we're altering a photo of a history event, you'll probably need to disclose your viewers that use technology .

talks with the setting that so many words that literally like to just translate from corporate speak to real words is like that or know that's that's what that's like. Maybe what could be .

if the standard is if you just took infinite photos, you could have gotten this moment.

the rock would probably .

be in one of the i'm just going to stand your shopping photos until the rock shows.

That's it's .

not a realistic thing.

I think that's a great thing.

Anyway, I like I am fascinated. I I told youtube it'll tell everyone this question is why the verge exists. Like i'm endlessly fascinating this question as much for a company like google, which is full speed ahead, making the tools and running the platform, that will be the most impacted by the tools. To the same point, youtube today and announce the tool where singers can let you use A, I cloes at voices, just like running fifty different .

directions at once. I'm gonna do that. I'm going.

Anyone can use my voice for seeking very good again. why? Like, I don't know. No one knows the answers to these questions, but I do know that if you stand on any street corner, any major city in the world, and just start shooting photos, statistically, the rock will be when I was.

Eventually the rocket will appear.

We should lighting around. Yeah, David, you have not yet talked about this. silly. Nothing thing do .

you want that to be out of?

Is what we call that the lighting around. By the way, we are so bad at this. The lighting round is must be like we do lots of things really fast and instead, it's like we're going to do three and are all going to take twenty.

It's a kind of light.

which is, again, I would say we're willing to rebrand for the right sponsor like i've gone from response or for the late round sponsors for anything .

really call the .

call whatever you want.

Disclosure are about to be out of control. We just go ahead now OK.

So the other part of the messaging news this week was that nothing the the phone maker that we started a lot about on the show, the release to thing called nothing chats. And the big thing that IT does is make IT so that you can send blue bubbles, I message messages from your nothing phone. IT only works on the nothing phone too.

And IT works through a company called sunbird, which has been sort of loudly proximity the technology that is developed for a long time. But it's basically it's an elaborate hack of im message. Um and essentially what IT does is they put a mac mini into a server rack somewhere and you create your eyes cloud account on that mac mini on a server somewhere.

And then that becomes the relay for you to send and receive messages. This is jennie is held for a hundred reasons. It's a security disaster because now all of your messages just live on a computer that you have no access to.

You and your eye cloud password lose on someone's computer? Yes.

it's not good. Don't do. But what I mean, do IT if you want. But like, do IT eyes White to open knowing what's going on here.

Do a burner I clad account that only says, ha, ha, I know you're the cops.

So this is the beauty of this, which is you kind of have to because the way that IT works, IT can't associate with your phone. If you've an android phone, you can't register IT as an iphone with I class, you have to set you up with your email.

And then IT does this weird thing, where is the first thing that sends you is basically a contact merge to try to put your email into your contact card with your phone number so that all looks like it's coming from you even though it's just coming from an email address. And IT is confusing and messy, but still kind of interesting. And I think li says more about both nothing being interested in like middling apple, and also the length people will go to to be blue bubbles, especially in the united states like this, is very clearly employ for nothing to sell more phones in the U.

S. Where it's very hard to cell a phone that isn't a blue bubble and it's it's messy and there are Better ways to do IT. And there's a bunch of these things out there now like beeper is doing something very similar with mac mini and I message there's a sap text stop com that just got up by that man wag on automatic.

They have a different security system where because IT lives on your device, is actually connecting locally to your computer. But that means IT doesn't work on mobile and they're having to do a bunch of work together to work on mobile. So it's everybody y's hacking around IT and they are all making the same bet, which is that like apple won't pick this fight because it's bad.

P R. For apple to pick this fight. I think that's probably true. But I also think apple could essentially wipe this all away in ten minutes if I felt like IT and .

without question, yeah but I do think the idea that nothing pressured apple into making decisions, which is what nothing would like you to believe and you should not sign up for this. I don't I don't know how much more. I can say you should not send your messages through insecure third party.

I mean, if you, I think you should, because then one day i'm gonna access to those messages and read them on the verge cast.

Here's very bad piece of supreme court president that you can solve mod over. It's called the third party doctrine. States is very bluntly that if you hand any of your information to a third party, you have no expectation of privacy in that information.

Do these .

miles left or right, you put something in a cloud server, your expectation of privacy has gone. And it's like, is that true? Are we like there's like the people who think that which is a bunch of judges and prosecutors and then there's everyone else. And IT feels like those .

people to talk, how does that work for things like lawyers writing anything after?

It's a real problem. A real problem .

is i'm not a lawyer.

Too much work. Uh, this is a problem in technology for a thousand nine years. But yeah, if you hasty in cloud server, they can go shopping on the cloud server provider and there's no recourse because of the third party doctor.

So yeah, everybody go go you go you, I I really want to read all of your text again.

The only message you should ever send for this service is, haha, cops, you can't get me, and you should just do that one hundred times a day. What's here?

Inning around mine, is antonio got to play with the play station portal. Not to be confused with a playstation portable that was known as the PSP, which also had a little appearance this .

week and was a much Better device.

IT was a great device, and IT was in the trailer for madam web, which is a new morral film in, you don't need to care about IT, but the trailers really dumb. But so the police station portal is the new device that plays all the play station games from your PS five on this little device in your house. Yeah that's about IT. It's got things like an airplane mode, but you don't need airplane mode because does .

not only work on my .

five yeah what .

is antonia was very upset about the air player. He like, why is he here? He's he's a bigger review coming out.

point. Some famous for having wife now OK.

Some of them. Delta, very inconsistent. Delta.

watching from gogo go to via set. And it's not. But yeah.

but he just he likes that is very easy. He likes that IT just works. He likes that is two hundred dollars. We both, it's like one fifty IT probably be in that like I want to play play station in my bed. This seems cool.

And he says we've both use chao che, which is a another kind of way to stream the stuff, usually to the steam deck. We have both tried that. We liked IT, but it's bugging. And this is way less buggy e than that. But IT is also two hundred dollars and does exactly one thing, which is play your playstation in five games in your house of a wifi on this thing .

is this is like a slight over statement, because I can't think of a lesser way of putting this, but this is like a very polished turd of a device.

Yeah, yeah. I know I that's fair.

And tony O, I was having a conversation about why this exists because that's the big question is why and we think it's probably like started is probably a much more ambitious project that slowly got pair down into this because like you would think this would just be good for that.

The airplane mode is like real evidence. Someone thought cloud gaming would be a thing. Yes, someone got drunk at a five g cloud conference and we should do a police station portal. And then they're like, this doesn't work, yeah.

And then they realized, oh, we need a stronger processor if we're going to basically put a web browser on this little screens so we can play .

all the games and up and until the banana surgery.

and they're going to do IT on this guy. But you know if if all you want to do is play play station, not on your playstation, but in your house is really cool. But probably don't need to buy IT until it's a lot cheaper. Yeah, I probably will go on fire sale at some point.

I'm super buying one of these.

I O, I just ought a backbone controller. Uh, they have the new one that just came out with U. S, B, C.

So IT works on like most devices. Now, I just bought one. IT is so much Better an idea than this first half the Price.

Like not only will you play my games remotely because those things exist as apps, IT does all the other things too. Like I I think you're absolutely right that when place asia started building this IT was going to be much more indications. IT is now. And what's weird to me is that SONY, which loves an expensive gadget, didn't just build the good thing and charge a lot of money for IT. I I don't .

think they could have because would have been like, okay, you can play all your clock games. And play station makes most of its money, not from the playstation.

but from the games. Also, IT just doesn't work that well like that cloud gaming is not a good product.

In ten fifteen hours of the last of us to via chiari, mainly because I was scared of zombies.

But you are surprised at your house.

Yeah, I was still at my house.

I'm saying when you leave the world with a mobile device, when you leave the world, you you're in space yes, i'm saying when you leave your house with a mobile device in your trying to stream the last of us two from you on a five g connection from an underpowered handheld that happened.

It's a lot rougher experience. You you can still do IT and in the backgrounds, a great example, like you can still do this stuff. But i've tried using the back on another ones for cloud gaming, like remote and like this, going to be great, nightmarish experience. And the minutes someone text me, I got go look at the text and then takes me forty five minutes just to reconnect to the clock gaming. And I, yes, no, no one.

It's going to happen one day, one day. SONY. I think sean holsters reported this journey is like hires for a cloud gaming service. Microsoft obviously thinks cloud gaming is the future.

SONY has cloud gaming and it's IT. IT was the first player because IT bought a big cloud gaming right years ago. And so it's had all of this tech just sit there and it's like so just .

doesn't want you know that IT has club gaming. It's like it's like all when all the cable companies were trying to like pretend that streaming didn't exist, they are like don't worry about IT. It's right. No one, no one cares about that. It's out of the deal.

Now it's speaking of the five g revolution go, which is obviously impacted every corner of our lives. Yeah, I was doing banana surgery and cell driving car just today on eighteen. F, F, G was IT .

like in the video.

again. Wa, gaming I wow so I ve been saying for months and months months I can think of, uh, five g experiences meaningful, the people outside of the area store and this is where the story about whether not they did remote surgery and a van I came from because ever sent me a video of robot surgery and a banana cake was not done over five g they did do the surgery on the banana, but the caption thing was our fridge all none of that was real great so reach out to A N T.

And can you mean some data on the eras tour? Just give me a sense of i've been saying this thing right area to the playing huge nfl stadiums anywhere, which in fifty one hundred thousand people in these stadiums across the world, she's planning around seventy. Like carboy stadium is like a eighty stadium, eight thousand people.

So eighty was like very kind to me, which historically, given our coverage, they didn't know. Ask you where they are, very kind to me, and they send me a chart of data usage during the air store. So this is just A N T.

I asked t moon, rising lessons. A N T is very excited. And we went back in four than a week because I kept asking for more and more numbers. Alex watched this all go down like the next to me in the office. Okay, these numbers are blockers.

So eight and t stadium, which is where the cowboys play the highest night of the eras tour, twenty eight point nine terabytes of data are flowing through eight. And his wild, and they gave me the five g plus numbers, which in this case means a millimeter wave. Eighteen t is also branded middle 5g plus， very confusing.

But this is the big stadium. Eighty thousand people may be little at last, because not all seats are full of the tour, but some are between seventy eight thousand people, twenty nine terabytes of data, a and t. Their rough estimation is that every terrible of data is either two hundred thousand photos or four hundred hours of hd video.

So twenty nine terabytes of data are just like moving through the stadium during the highest united. That just A T N T that is not very zing or t move. This is a record. This is most data A N T seen in any stadium this year. They confirmed that the record, they can find that the absolute record.

So that means I just did, I just did some very quick google in here. And that means that if every single person at that concert that night was using A T N T to do this, every single person, on average, uploaded about seventy two photos from that.

Just crazy, right? And I totally believe every one of .

the eighty thousand people there are upload seventy two food as what your .

ethe you is. crazy. So that's eighty states like a city, right? This is a full day total, but you can be there for hours and hours before and after.

It's like lots so it's a big stadium, but it's a complex but the cowl boys played there. So just by comparison, the average cowboys game is twenty one terrible tes. So she's just blow in a way. And again, he is a twenty .

nine cus on the focus on the sport. They focus on the sport, not sing.

So then you go on s new on stadium, twenty three terribles energy stadium and houston Taylor lost to the rodia yeah so the rodia moved twenty four terrans of data. Swift is only move twenty point.

Look, bull writing is an impressive sport and sometimes you want to upload a hundred million photos of IT.

Eighteen t stadium also outed the super bowl in twenty twenty two. So five stadium, which was thirteen terabytes, uh, the twenty three super bowl at state farm's stadium in arizona was twenty, went her bites. So tailor is just like way above all the next highest numbers, basically in my favorite one, all the way down here, U.

S. B. stadium. And helpful for the vikings. Splay IT was six point six time by the data, but one thousand and eight point to me, that six point six time of data, seventy percent more data than is every he is during liking scape.

Like every other event is at least seventy percent less than the day as we've concerned. I couldn't resist that when I think they knew him. And like, like, his fans aren't even try. I don't know me.

Lambo field did need to make list here, so he said.

I shouldn't play a hit. yeah. Anyway, it's these are crazy numbers. You get the whole chart and assignment IT was cool to ask a question. I was cool to get all the data back.

I do not know why 5g plus is both millions wave in the band。 We should fix that. Someone should fix that. But these numbers are dog like just absurd amount of data. And IT is because of five g like I talk a lot of crap about 5g in A T and s and t mobile， like every nose. I feel like these things. But the fact that they have actually built up the stadiums to support this amount of video and photo sharing in real time, like I watched night one in argenti, just watched IT on tiktok .

from my five different angles.

Did you see when he had to as tour? huh? That's just happening and is because we have actually built out the network capacity to do these things, which is remarkable regardless of what i've all to suffer IT.

The thing that always gets me this is a complete aside, but the thing that always gets me about those videos now is that how good phone microphones have gotten. Like two member not thought long ago you would watch one of these dreams, and I would just sound like garbage. They sounds great.

Now, no. So here's the thing that is happening. A, the swifts have a learned that you need to turn noise cancelling off on your iphone max. So they all trying to wonder, they are all trying to figure out why was .

that weren't all using galaxy phones for a minute because they sounded Better.

Something there is an incredible arms race in like camera technology among swift to the point where people are taking, you're not to bring an ecar. So they've sort of maxed out this sort of fix lens mirror camera you can bring there and they are shooting videos for bringing fix lens mirrors, cameras that can shoot twenty four full, like full frame pictures a second. Are there like twenty run in the shutter.

just like decked out in swifty areas to a swag laptop .

on this laptop? How bra, who am I last week out here were decks trying to .

record IT slipping around so you get that face cam.

and i've got a studio display. It's got everyone ship in IT. Do you think next year.

i'll like the pixel nine. We'll have a thing where IT just like automatically makes whatever video you take a tailor swift like look like the best performance Taylor, so we have ever did. Yes, it's like it's like the moon photos. You just pointed Taylor swift and just makes tailors to look amazing.

The rock will also be in .

the rock is just sort of the youtube is like, I don't know who has a record deal here. I'm out. We can. She's going to read, heard them all anyway. I just want to note some other little stories where break out when at the first OLED roku TV is here, but it's made by sharp. Yep.

that's an L, G. Pan though.

Don't buy a roca. T, V. They suck.

Selling my yesterday, he called three times .

to ask about IT. Yeah, we reviews to fit that charge six, which people really miss fitness bands. We ve got one of the interesting, uh, so nos having a weird quarter had a weird time lately. Their teezle big new products. IT seems very likely that those are headphones.

This is my other living round thing. It's got to be headphones, right?

It's going to be have friends or they're .

going to make A T V. I think that's the only .

that's the next logical place because I don't .

want everyone should make A T V.

Apple should make A T V.

make IT would .

be forty thousand. And then I need, our volume would .

not be high. All the stuff we put in .

that we really, this is the best, no available. K, about the OPPO, because merely mentioning the open sea one, the people make them so, so angry.

because so many feelings. I bought one for our CEO.

and it's the biggest mistake i've ever. My entire .

career you saw a job.

though he was dici. I debated, including that in the story and ultimately D S O OPPO twenty twenty one launched uh webcam called the sea, one that they relate. This is the first D, S, L, R quality webcam.

Uh, IT looked good, but you would never know, because there was like a seventy five percent IT wouldn't work with your computer and anything, even time. I think we've all tried to use them at various. We all gave up minds just over there in a cabinet somewhere.

Looks great, never works. And this time they came out with a thing called the tad poll, which is this cute little one inch by one inch square. Uh, I have IT here for anyone watching on youtube.

Uh, it's adorable. Is an ipod shufu like, if, if, if you are listening to this in your car, is an ipod with a cable coming out of IT. And they basically tried to solve everything about the last one.

IT works Better. You don't need dumb software. You just plug IT in and IT like works.

It's very funny to me that this was like a big idea that they had was like, what if you just played IT in? And IT was good, but the things is super expensive. It's like, I think one hundred and seventy five dollars.

But the rage that this brought up in the comments on our site from a lot of people who bought the c one or excited about IT or on the weight list or whatever and feel like they've just been left behind as OPPO has gone on to this other product was really interesting. And I spent some time with the founders. They know they have a hole to dig out of, and they didn't do everything right the first time and made some mistakes and move too fast and all the stuff.

But their reputation is in worse shape than I expected, which I thought was really interest. Like this is a good web game i've been using in a bunch I I have enjoyed IT so far. But every time I say that to somebody, they're like gets impossible. The sea one was a piece of junk.

The O. C. Is so bad that our producer was like, you have to stop using IT and send .

me a new web camp and he thought new web camp, so we'd stop you thank .

constantly overheat and would just shut down or sometimes you would just be like, not today, alex. You don't need no one needs to see your face. And like, I should make that decision.

not my web can. Yeah, hello, no.

it's true.

Something like the A I is .

like is that call alex, you sit up too late .

last like very, very dangerous every time I want the hope I fear from my job and like, five different ways. Here's this going to happen. And and the show here, if you are listening in the car, is in the show, you can come to youtube.

And after the credits we're onna. Look at some of the graphs of the formula. Whereas success that have been sent to me, which are all wonderful, they're all but we're going to look at that. So at the end of the show here on the outside side, come genus and TV want to look at grass because we're not going to do radio about grasp. That's that's her chest, right?

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