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How DeepSeek crashed the AI party

2025/1/31
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波士顿大学电气和计算机工程系教授,专注于澄清5G技术与COVID-19之间的误信息。
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Nilay: 我认为DeepSeek的出现以及它引发的热潮,反映了AI领域目前存在的一个巨大差距:人们对AI的感受(从评论来看,普遍负面),公司对AI的宣传(AI应用广泛),以及AI的实际应用情况(很多人都在用,但他们自己可能并没有意识到)之间存在脱节。DeepSeek事件本身也包含了股市恐慌、技术突破以及对中国科技发展的担忧这三个方面。DeepSeek降低了AI的开发成本,这可能意味着AI性能的提升和普及,但关键在于找到AI的杀手级应用。目前,人们对AGI的预期正在变得模糊,AI领域的持续繁荣可能难以持续。大型AI公司面临着高额亏损和快速商品化的挑战,其商业模式尚不明确。AI模型容易被复制和超越,这使得AI公司的竞争更加激烈。 总的来说,我们需要更多地关注技术的实际应用价值,而非盲目追逐技术本身。DeepSeek在链式思维推理方面取得了显著进展,但我们也应该警惕AI在某些场景下的应用风险,尤其是在需要高度准确性和可靠性的领域。 David: 我认为围绕DeepSeek的事件,实际上包含了股市恐慌、技术革新和对中国的担忧这三个方面。股市恐慌是由于投资者对AI领域的过度投资和对DeepSeek的误解造成的。技术革新方面,DeepSeek的出现表明,大规模的预先投资在AI领域并非必要,引发了人们对AI最终应用场景的思考。对中国的担忧则源于DeepSeek的技术突破以及中国在AI领域的技术领先地位。 我将AI的发展与蓝牙和5G的发展进行比较,认为当前AI领域的投资可能存在过度,缺乏明确的杀手级应用。降低AI的开发成本,将推动AI性能提升和普及,但关键在于找到AI的杀手级应用。微软与OpenAI的关系复杂且微妙,两者既合作又竞争。Meta公司正在大规模建设数据中心,其主要目的是为了提升广告投放效率,而非单纯地进行AI能力的研发。AI的杀手级应用可能是广告精准投放,但这同时也带来用户体验下降的风险。 总的来说,目前AI领域缺乏明确的目标和杀手级应用,公司们的大规模融资可能缺乏实际意义。人们对AI的关注点在于其便利性,而非其准确性或伦理问题。AI的出现让人们与电脑的交互方式发生了改变,这可能会带来新的经济模式,但我们也应该警惕AI可能带来的风险。

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The unexpected emergence of DeepSeek, a Chinese AI company, created a stir in Silicon Valley and triggered a stock market reaction. The situation involved a stock market panic, technological advancements, and the impact of China's involvement in the AI industry.
  • DeepSeek's AI model caused a stock market freakout.
  • Concerns about the technology itself and the implications of open-source AI.
  • The impact of China's role in AI development.

Shownotes Transcript

Nilay and David dig into the week's biggest story: the new Intel-powered Surface Pro. Kidding! They talk about DeepSeek, the out-of-nowhere AI company that sent both Silicon Valley and the stock market into uproar this week. Then, after the hosts debate what the real killer app for AI is — and whether we've even found one yet — we follow up on our question from last week about how people are actually using AI. We got so many good answers, and we talk through what to make of them all. Finally, in the lightning round, we talk about Brendan Carr being a dummy, the return of the Pebble, the continued rise of Bluesky and Threads, and Meta's $25 million check to Trump.

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