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you an all knowing intelligence that aff intelligence is how LG is branding. Its A I washing machines .
so they don't .
have if you go to the LG booth yeah LG makes everything. Yes, here's a washing machines. Here's a little robot guy and all the AI stuff. Is affection ate intelligence .
because A A I I is also A I.
A personal. It's I ChatGPT .
which relied you and then try to bang you. This is much more.
It's just going to make sure .
your sweaters are dry. Yeah.
yeah. robots. L G. Sani, have a robot. What's like about bolic? Because they want to see boy in action. The LG robot is so silly, like they're not even pretending that this will .
be a real does have arms.
yes. So you just like a little thing that walks around and makes squeaky as it's IT is very so today to avert hast CS. We're sitting here, the key connected home right in front, the showers loor at yes, i'm a friend nei to here is here.
Hello, assurances here. The verge team is everywhere for or if you are on our site, are you tiktok or whatever you've seen? We've got reporters everywhere they can making themselves sick at laser shows. IT has been quite experiences, as I would say. It's been a good show.
IT has been a good show. It's been um I would say not as like full of wildness as c sometimes is like there are very few sort of bunkers off the wall, new things we as there sometimes are but in terms of like actual cool things that might be actually cool in the actual world, licit pretty good. Then there's more here than I expected, actually.
Yeah a lot of iteration has occurred, right? yeah. And then you can like cat ChatGPT on IT.
And the test I always use at T. S. Is the local news test. Like how ridiculous to CS by how many things break through the barrier of local news program.
And the one that I always remember that the baseline product for this test is the year there was the smart fork, and they would tell you if you're eating too fast yet IT didn't actually work. But poor joana stern was at abc at the time. yeah.
And so SHE was just like on every local news broadcast america. And like it's a smart fork. There is not a .
lot of smart fork. I see. Yes, there was so much enthusiasm for the smart for that like a IT earnest believe that this was a good idea that just these were simply ant.
that's you. That's how I measures. See, yes. Is like what's is there garbage that breaks through the film news? Or is there meaningful technology that is. But and there's a lot of meaningful technology. There's a little bit of local new garbage this year.
It's is the eat toilet right?
Eating toilet is the sort of transparent display situation, but there is. G, you should watch the your gentle, I went, looked at eating toilet from color, he, the feeling collar has maybe more R N D money than he knows what to do.
Color, have you been the colors booth? I coll's booth has all kinds of stuff. And then, I don't know, fifteen, just running showers, yes, all going into, like a pond.
The literally on .
the company town called color rosann, I wish coller nothing but the best, you know, pup, some of that water back into the local economy every year, collars like this time, the toilet has more technology in IT. It's pretty great. okay? I think when I break the shop in a three segments, if he watched our earlier show this week, David's gambit was that was the screens show, and this is meant to be the not screen show in despite the fact that many .
of the things were going to talk about.
we're going to talk about this.
My methodology is not to be questioned.
Its products that are screen products .
yeah that are like about the screen.
And then now this show is all the products that are products really eating toilets.
Now like everything has screens. There were we wrote stories about headphone cases that have screens on them. You just cannot avoid screens anymore but they're like, not the point of the thing, right? They're just like one of you get just we're .
going to talk about show .
you s literally the question was, why did you put a screen on this and his answer was that screen or cheap and like this just screeches or chief. And there are everywhere.
okay. So we're going to talk about some gadgets that we have. What have bunch of standards that hit pretty important moments here.
which actually kind of is the story. I of ce, this year. It's lake. There are big standard that are gna start to be everywhere. They're like here in a really meaningful way.
Yeah like wifi seven had a moment, one hundred, about five years here. Smart stuff. Alex had a atc three point no adventure, which is pretty good magic. And then which I got, and just go very kind. So well, start with gadgets. And I want to start, David, with what is undeniably to break out gadget hit of the show you have seen and talk the founder of the rabbit r one.
This thing came out of absolutely nowhere. yeah. And I think probably has been the most talked about single device, yes, of the show. It's either that or the transparent tvs.
But so this thing is basically it's just dedicated AI hardware, right? It's like if you've ever seen the panic play date, that little console with the great, the crank IT feels just like that. It's like colorful and orange as a button on the side and a camera and a score wheel and IT was made by a teenage engineering.
And so it's like lovely and all the button feel really good. But the thick is its an AI gadget. And this company, rabbit, which has kind of an interesting history, its founder has worked on the ice stuff for relief on time.
He's on the board of teenage engineering, so he's like connected to this world. They built this whole big new thing where instead of a large language model like ChatGPT, which is under ending about, like you input something and you get text back, this is about like doing stuff right to their ideas. You should be able to say, I want to accomplish any goal.
I wants to listen to music. I need to ride here, order me something, book my flakes on something, whatever, and have IT all be like accomplished with all of the services you use. But inside of what amounts to an assistant.
one million billion unanswered .
questions about. But it's one hundred ninety nine dollars. It's like adorable little gadget. And the two reactions that everybody seems to have are either this thing doesn't do anything that my phone doesn't do, why on, or what I want IT, and this thing doesn't do anything my phone doesn't do. And oh my god.
I want to say that me IT is very cute. Yeah, I think people are just reacting to the idea that they can purchase the gadget. The questions are just infinite. Yes.
yes.
Like for example, to two hundred dollars, there's no recurring fee where there's a supreme service. This thing can be make money like I just from the jump.
It's like IT seems impossible.
Have to run a cloud service. There's no way that they're making enough money on the upfront sale to .
run the they had teenage engineering to do all the design .
work like another question. And I encourage every to go watch. They put IT out in what is can only be described as a fake or chino. Oh.
very .
standing there on a stage. I don't know if there's an audience.
so I can actually describe this to you because it's very funny. So this wasn't on the show floor. IT was kind of a secret thing like I found out about IT from like a relatively sketchy email that was just like we're launching the future of everything and like right like i've got IT.
I'll just find out um IT was deep. I mean deep like IT like a mile and a half walk from the front door of the wind to this like tiny little, meaning room in the back of the wind, where this keynote t was and IT was set up. IT was in a ballroom.
And you on the one side, you have tables for people to stand out in coffee and stuff, and on the other side, maybe four rows of seats. And then this big screen, and Jessie law, the founder, standing in front of that, and that's where they shot the whole thing. And IT looks so polished and so professional, and it's literally just him standing in a casino ballroom. Talking in front of a screen is very impressive.
Yeah, you were in that audience. I was in that audience. So that was alive. I thought that was a production, but here that he was, life. So that experience you had, the experience I had was what appears to be a preproduction ed version of the presentation you were given.
which now that i'm looking at IT is even more apple .
than the fake apple key. Now that's the intrenching I want on video on their channel, right? And the thing that this I caught me, and i'm wondering if you saw this in action, is in the video he's like, asks IT to do something.
And you look at the animation of the rabbit jumping, which is adorable. You never actually see IT do the thing, right? He's like success and you know, like what happened. But you were held IT and .
got to use IT did IT did IT work? Yes and no. Well, I did get to hold IT IT did work, but we were on horrible hotel wifi, which I can vote for being horrible. yeah.
So IT kind of came in when in terms of actually being able to do anything at all, and obvious ly device like this can do much off line period because everything is doing is happening in the cloud. So after about ten minutes of everybody's of playing with a getting to try stuff, he literally like disconnected IT and just was handing IT around to people. But at one point, IT Richard LED, somebody somebody was holding in her hand and and never going to give you up, started playing. And I think that might be when they took off .
for going to react, losing its connection. And so yes.
you going to like this. So again, like added to the list of unanswered questions about this thing is like, does IT actually work? Because I think you're you're writing a bunch of people have this reaction of like you see .
him talking to IT .
clever cut you see IT work wound like, well, yeah, what is .
IT do? Like like I am trying to understand that.
Okay, I have okay. I'm just going to say why I that's all structure because I don't even gave the action as I think .
I bet I know slightly more than you but only slightly.
So my understanding this is that IT is using the apps for you, right? And this is not a new idea yeah ah if you are decoder, listen we've had like robotic process automation episodes. Where big enterprises basically bringing computers to use their old computers for them.
And like these are big companies to do this work and that at the corporate level of enterprise that this is unknown thing, we need some machine learning and some computer vision. And we're going to use windows three point one instead of updating the hospital building system. This a real thing happens there is an economy called cavo ah that I loved ages ago.
And they we're going to do machine vision to like click around in your TV interface for you. They failed. Think of well.
but not because you can't do IT is a possible thing that you can do.
So this gadget, the hardware, seems less important than whatever is happening .
in the cloud. Yes.
very much that the hard ware is just like a little beauty, cute thing you can ask questions of. And then somewhere in the cloud, IT appears are spinning up like android virtual machines that have your spotify, APP or whatever on IT, right? And then it's clicking around and a little android phone, like a virtual android phone in the cloud and then delivering .
you the result onto .
the to .
the little fit. So that is also, I think, my understanding of that the most likely way for IT to work, but that does not do is drive at all with what rabbits has about privacy, which is that IT doesn't store your credentials. Yeah and so there's like a total disconnect there that I just don't understand.
And what I do know is they have this training mode where you can like teach rabid how to do something for you. Like all of the examples the C O. Gives is how to remove a watermark from photoshop.
And the way that you do IT is you literally go into rabbit hole, which is like their adorable, ably named portal, for getting the perhaps it's very good, like the whole branding of this is excEllent. You go into IT and you, like you said, you boot up a virtual windows machine, you load photoshop, and this is all like rabbits computers, not yours, right here. You look at photoshop and then you narrow allowed what you're doing as you're teaching the model how to do IT.
So you go through the process and you say, and then you go here and you select the lasso, and then you select you, you last so around the watermark, and then you click this and and that, and you remove the watermen. And that's how you train the model. So in terms of lake, how to actually interact with the underlying model, your metaphor is exactly right.
Then what happens after that? Yeah, I do not know. Because like once I gave IT my spotify credentials, rabbit says unambiguously that IT does not then keep my spotify currencies. And I have .
no idea how I can do something. Log in, right?
Are we sure it's absolutely gonna in the cloud or is going to be in the cloud and talking to your phone and in the cloud talking to your it's .
not talking to your devices that I know for sure.
But do they have a iraq of, like mid range android phone, maybe hot dog fingers just being, in a way, autumn.
like peepers saying with the mac minis getting into your im messages? Yeah.
yeah. This is just a big question I have about to product, right, which is IT sounds really cool. What if you had an assistant that could use a computer for you? right? Yeah, very good.
Yeah, no. And you don't have to rearchitects apps and services. You don't need dove's permission, maybe at a big question like there. But you have a computer in the cloud. It's loaded up with legal ABS services to it's not out sea plex where it's a computer in the graph in robots going to click around on that for years and then do the work for you and that .
just means that the like that just can't work with with the privacy claim.
right? Yeah, it's very difficult .
and they're also very clear about the privacy client like there are either just boldly lying or there is some clever turn that we don't know yet and they are not really talking about yet. Yeah, yes, but it's not they are not doing the like you know sketchy do you know deflect to you ask questions of that like no, there is very street forward but like we do not store yourself and .
i'm like how i'll do the same sort of exercise as we did with the humane AI pon. Yeah right right. Here's the dema.
So one of the them as a spotify sic, right? Okay to make that work, they need your spotify credentials. Then they've to log into spotify somewhere, somehow.
Um we don't know where how. We don't know if they have a vir android computer or viral windows computer. We don't know how you were two hundred dollar one time payment is paying for that server costs rate.
That's just the beginning. yes. Then they've logged in spotify. Their large action model has clicked around spotify and found the song you want from the artist you want, which even spotify search is not great at correction. So that's there's a little problem there.
It's going to navigate the spotify face, which is more and more gear towards like what if you was in to a podcast? yes. So two different computers, I can be hostile to each other.
And that specific, then it's gona stream the audio from spotify spottis ed audio is D R M helm back is its streaming service. So now it's accepting A D R M audio stream. And then it's gonna send IT to your rabbit.
It's going to send to your headphones that little transcoding step where rebroadcasts R M audio is. I would create a pickle. Yeah yeah.
if you will. I think there's just like a vae with a vapor. This thing like just there's there's too many things, words like, no, that doesn't compute. That's not how computers yeah this is just not how computers work. This is not how like any of these services work, how and in fact, they're not saying how, but they do have this really .
gorgeous hardware. I do think of how it's not such a leap the hell, right? Because machine vision to Operate a computer interface has been deployed in the other content. The thing that gets me is the cost.
The cost.
if you call soft to time, do a big rpa integration in your health care system. That is millions of dollars. Yes, IT is not two hundred dollars. Yes.
one time payment two hundred .
and 看 背面 确实 到 like i'm just dying to know。 And then they sold, which is still the credit. They sold vastly more than they thought they were going to sell, sold out of their first one of ten thousand units in a day, maybe hours even yeah, so just signed up to run a pretty large set of, what, ten thousand virtual machines at least yeah and you know.
we used to see that a lot in the kick starter days yeah and then eventually you'd get an email saying, my bed yeah and I like this, has that kind of feeling to me because the privacy situation at in the cost are two things like you need to explain there's there's a big missing piece here and you haven't disclosed IT. And I kinda need to understand that even though I do, I would one hundred percent. And I ve spent two hundred dollars on IT. If i've gotten in, are going to open up another like.
no harwood itself. I like, I just want to like.
that's pretty thing. Like to everybody in march. Like this is, by all I can. Their version of this thing is like ready.
And again, I think the town this point, like the how of IT, it's not like other people couldn't have come up with this idea. I think their chAllenges are can actually work is IT brittle or really flexible, right to spot, I changes the interface, will IT actually survive that. Photoshop moves some button around.
Will you survive that? That's got to run on windows, by the way. I they are running photoshop like like an android phone, like an android phone.
The hot G. I mean, they could be using that could .
be using A W S. Just ah i'm just like can I .
just read you a few sentences from their privacy web page, which IT is actually like a useful summary of everything we've talking. So IT says when you interact with radios, you will be assigned a dedicated and isolated environment on our cloud for your own large action model, which more or less jobs the shine. When our rabbits perform tasks for you, they will use your own accounts that you have security granted us control over through a rabid hole web portal we do not store your passwords for these services. I literally don't see how those two .
sentences can both be too, because you don't need the password persistently. You need IT for.
Like to get off off token. True, if you're running spotify A P I, not if you're log in on a new machine that i'm spinning up every single .
time as you have access to machine, they're you they're giving you a little cloud computer .
that is for these ten thousand people who bought two hundred dollar, we have the only ones. They also bought a computer.
Yeah, this is what I ask .
to make anything IT sounds .
like like that sounds like they are saying we personally aren't going to have like your code everywhere and said are not like you're little cloud computer that we manage is gonna have IT right and little splitting care is there what is this .
is why if you are a lot of these companies, you try to build a thing where you can tap into apps, like there are lots of ways to interact to spotify, not through spotify, right? Because spotify has open as for this stuff, and you can plug in in and they do a good job, the authentication to against rabbit is explicitly .
going a different direction. Yeah, good example, because is very simple that you could put the spotify API .
on this device on IT.
But I will happily let you do every smart speaker. Is that cheap? yeah. OK you go to the second most complete example.
I guess I just running this down the way that we rent human, because obviously humane is the thing that people going to compare us to human in the way which four percent of its staff, this and trade place and games and sea when you grow history prettie shady human, anyway, not great. ah. So the other example was booking a flight, which is easily the most complicated thing you can do.
And when I talk about hostile interfaces, and the interfaces to book a flight are openly hostile to you, like all over the place, all the time, Price are changing. It's unclear what you're buying. The door might fall off the plane.
It's just to real. The hard time in air show. This thing has to go. You should I put me a fight to chat? This thing has to go find a website to do that on.
has to understand a vast amount about your preferences and what you want and what you fly and what seems like. Even I had to know about you before even starts threats to this process.
If you are a united person and I am a delta person and you are americans, yeah, rough. That's three entirely different websites for the large action model to understand and people to navigate. And then IT has to condense those into a coherent response that works on the interface of the rabbit. Yeah and the airlines, by the way, hate this and always have yes, like they just don't want there to be a layer of abstraction over the websites. They don't like IT that then and has I should do a job of booking you a free and he has have credit cards can .
pay in your frequent far miles you like third seat area. Like do you want first class? It's a lot it's going to do.
I don't. I got love this thing IT seems I going to get one soon.
Yes, I think soon, or rather than later, will start to get a real idea of what .
this thing actually is. But just like if you just like run the examples, just how would you do this? But I stuck in a funny way.
I would be more bullish on this thing. If I was four hundred dollars than I am at two hundred dollars.
I would be more about something that was two hundred dollars and I was thirty books a month. Yeah, least I would understand OK. Yeah I understand this company can persist the way struction now are going to make a big flash.
There's a part of me believes they started this company. They got all the interest. And then right, we're sitting right next to the google booth.
Here are the key, a connected home. They're onna sell to google in a year because they are so much interest in AI. And then you will shuit down into .
thing running would be so much .
less exciting. I just don't I don't understand the economy of .
the service, but I is very full vision.
and I think that's cool. Is bringing some tech that we have seen in the enterprise contacts to consumers. So I have more I think I have more. Faith is one hundred percent faith is a very five percent more faith than you.
Yeah yeah. Like the hardware is so in the concept is so, so good execution. I'm just like, no, yeah and I, I, I, I wanted to work.
I want this all to work. I would love a two hundred dollar, no additional fees, just like does everything for me, that magic that sounds great, but that's magic. And generally.
magic is not real. So, well, I went to this fear last night.
Sorry, sorry.
When I went to the fear, a boy, I was just on in love with the street. Yes, should we see every time america.
we can see IT from here.
It's beautiful IT IT is Better farther away than up close.
Yes oh absolutely.
And then even inside on the screen you can see lines and .
it's not IMAX.
And then also we did not see youtube. We saw ah there in an ois post from earth, which is just the weird thing you can see if you are sober oh you there are people there who were not sober who were like.
yes yeah that feels like assumes event yeah that's .
real out of the eve vallies ary. They at the end of IT like they get off poil, but it's ten it's mostly reason to show you like videos development will be found at the end of IT the atomy I ve got off their spaceship and the voices are like you were here for a reason. And the reason is obviously the bang .
and populated .
plan is like a very obvious what the reason. It's good. I to love story. You should go to earth, which humanity has left in this. okay? I love the fear that you know like a water tower in your town of fear in the town in amErica with a water tower, go to your local town meeting like we should turn our water tower in newspapers. Just a huge.
only going to cost two point three billion dollars probably .
to worry about hell.
You IT was a not full last night. IT was in .
fact mostly unto, yeah.
but that is that because people, I guy was just like magnetically drawn to the screen, regardless of what was on the screen. I wasn't happy post hard from earth, I think, is not drawn a crowd. anyhow.
We have to take break. We can come back when I was some gadgets with some standards. C, S, A process.
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any of these things. Yeah, we've been here for eight days. Its its day three. Yeah, none of that makes any.
I spent the whole day thing he was friday.
The only thing makes sense as the fear that giant, when you walk into the we. Like the law of you of the fear is like bave that in blue light there's like bad robots talking about the future at you and what you just made. Like good looking in APP caught center, looking to the warehouse of old APP caught .
technologies. Do you write on .
a little train and get to see, like, happened?
That's what the postcard from earth is .
supposed to be, I guess. Yeah, the face of earth. yeah. Now there's a definite vive of this year, really. Like, well, this is where they ran out of money, built the screen in there, this carpet.
just poor of parties everywhere.
If you're in vegas, please, if you are listening to this in the other kind of days, you just go look at the screen and it's insane screen. Don't look at post ribes for earth I think .
is yeah I think fish is coming like an old fish appropriate yeah oh that's very good.
Um actually .
speaking ing we got to talk about standards standards news here it's was speaking of just screen mishaps. You and I both samsung bali .
demos and we saw .
a tough I S what was yours from?
So bolly is the sort of little rolling home robot that samsung is making we saw at last year, and we saw a new version of IT this year. And it's new thing is basically it's it's a robot assistant projector. So so last year had no project.
Yes, OK. And this year, the demo is really sort of convincing. It's like the little thing that will follow you around and like i'm doing a work out, not your project or work out on the wall.
And then he went to do set up and sort of projecting out on the selling and was like, that's awesome. And if IT can make calls for you, IT knows your schedule. It's just like it's a little adorable smart speaker that just kind of like ambles around your house like, I mean, to you I the demo I saw.
So they were doing these as shows like once an hour like bali will appear and bali comes out. They do the first half. The demo is going fine.
And then bolly is supposed to I believe the first time I went wrong, bolly was supposed to make a phone call. And robley is supposed to do is projected the phone call, like up on the wall. So you can see here talking to whatever bolly projected, IT upside down and about three inches off the ground.
So all you could see was the word like flower shop upside down on the wall. And then boli went around to try and, you know, help him see his calendar upside down and tiny, tiny. And then for the last part of the demo, rolls up back over the wall.
And the guys like, oh, show me what's in my fridge so I can decide what to make leaving aside that his fridge is literally, and yeah, he could have reached out with his left hand and open the fridge and said, he's like, bully. What's inside the fridge? Bullet projects.
Nothing on the just nothing. And this poor guy, who clearly has a script to follow, stand nego. Es, 嗯， so I have some apples.
And that was the moment that.
like the panic level among all the samsung employees just started, displayed in the demanded very quickly after.
yeah, yeah, it's over. I saw the something bolly show I ve thought to call the flower shop and I was very funny just in the same. We were talking about the rabbit. He's like, what's in my calender and boy was shows a calender and like, it's your anniversary like, okay, I call the flower shot and he just has call all the flower shop. And if you've ever done a search in your life, if you know yes, that is not a thing, you can just instruct any assistance .
not a thing on google mats called .
the flower show yeah ten thousand sponsor listings later um and he calls the other shop he makes unlike this is ah it's a demo it's fake but whatever like any dozen roses and like coming right your way in the hang up thought how that and then he's like i'm going to make dinner. He does the apple thing and then in mind the mishaps, he went to go watch a cooking video and boy was.
I didn't even get that hard.
He shut yours down mine he was like, i'm going to do some cooking in a IT was supposed to projected above the kitchen sink, but boy missed and presented IT t me tell me on the side of the cabinet just kept going is so that wasn't happened.
Just keep like locking down. Double checking .
is very good. I love the idea of I think it's a very a follows around showing you .
everything. Every time he had asked a question, I would project little eroes on the ground yeah as telling you like, follow me over to this wall so I can show you and IT was great and he's just like chasing this little .
ball around the living room. The the the workout and this happen IT says a hur demo was much hier stakes to my my most thing went fine. The work out, I means like a time for my work out. And he's like stretching. And he standing in run of a television yeah inside boli role to the left of the television projected the workout video on the wall next and just insisted on making watch trainer .
video on the table.
So this isn't what I want. You can don't want to see you. Yes, is IT.
That's bly. IT was good. It's cute. yeah. It's cute. yeah. I would talk about some, some standards.
So lots of smart home stuff happening in eating toilets, you know, column y projector robots. What have you? Let's start with just some smart himself.
So jen to is here, home reviewer, she's killing IT is always a basic stuff. So matter and thread are always a big deal. And yes, were into what you thirty five of trying to make matter of thing. It's gonna happen .
this year.
The big news around matter is that matter is supposed to work with a wireless standard called thread. Thread is built into all kinds of things. Now the iphone 11 pro has a thread， radio and IT for totally mysterious reasons.
But the abd v, as next tubes, have IT. The issue is that thread is supposed to form a low power mission network. In your house.
You, you got an apple TV. You ve got a thread device, you got a next tub, you get an ero. They all sort of form one pretty good, resilient thread network. And up until yesterday, the specification did not allow that to happen. So said they would all create.
they're competing little networks. Yeah, yeah. And you would have like this fight.
like my ero, as a different thread and network running in my house, in my apple TV. And I just shut the thread radio off in my ero because this useless. That is bad, because there's more eroes in my house than apple tvs.
And so they should that should just be the good network, right? But you can't pass the create. It's like, god just mess. So the news arts, yes, is that thread, the thread group, which definitely sounds like a consulting company, the trace and born works work.
I've murdered a number of high value targets, and theyve also released a specification that lets all of those devices pass credentials to one another. Which genes specifically has been saying is the thing is happen, yeah, nothing is shipped with IT yet. It's a software if are going to do with.
But this is something like baseline spect news and see, yes, the thing is very important because it's going to get you to the place where you in your house of a wife and network for high power usage, high data usage and a threat network for smart locks and lights. witches. We'll see.
fingers crossed, as someone who relies on a thread network, is um the light for the interview so I can climb up the stairs at night at my apartment, i'd like to be able to see.
yeah.
seems really yeah. Sometimes he doesn't work and i'm like, okay, cool.
I like drops on a thread tworog the apple T V. yeah. I don't know why.
You know, I just like knowing in the wifi these batteries, last story for longer mail, that these were more expensive than the then there's a bunch to sort like basic stuff. Standards wise. This comes as rh.
So with matter, matter is extending, it's going to do robot vacuum this year. IT just keeps getting bigger. And then dear sweet, amazon announced that instead of using crime castle airplay, IT will now support casting content from prime video with matter, which no one else supports.
It's one of those things that had, like, if we had all decided to do this a long time ago, yeah, the world would be a Better place. Yes, IT is patently absurd that you have eleven different technologies just to send a thing from your phone to your television. But like the we're out on that one that were like door .
at keyboards are Better than quarter. And so .
that's great. I don't okay anymore.
Yeah ah we should put the expire on the left. Yeah maybe may be we should have done that nineteen fifteen, but we didn't. Yeah, yeah.
exactly. And so now you have yet another way to send prime video to things. Yeah, which ensure tons of people do all.
So, ms, I own tvs. Yeah, they can insist on .
really popular set top box too.
Really popular.
I wanted joke about this, saying a lot, but also amazon, like right behind roku with one of the most popular like set top situations. So excited .
for andy Jason, the medium of him. Cook, really like we'd love for you to support matter casting. And the I was just I .
think it's going .
to have I used to see you close .
on his vigiling over just the time.
goes in the virtual eyes, just disassociate from its converse .
age exactly right.
So somewhere not LG is supporting google cast. This is a big announcement.
Samsung is not this thing.
Yeah like so google .
has nearby share. I'm like there's a one hundred percent chance something to get all the same track. Google has nearby share. Samsung has has quick share. Google is now we naming nearby share to quick share and just .
giving them to samsu.
L G is just off to the side. Be like we don't have any of this morning we don't like.
but we're in these google casts and r TV. Some things like we're parting with google on quick share, but we're not going to put google caston. It's just a mess that this all thing is a mess, which is why basically our play to continues to be the thing like gravity to and google casts is the thing that on android think people gravitate to.
So if I was some point you in the last year just on on smart home gadgets, we still live in a world of hubs and bridges. They're unescapable. But the thing is happening, is there all kind of converging and you the idea that you will have just one kind of main hub, thank god, in your house.
It's not quite there, but a quero which is of an upstart from from company. I've got a quero front locks addition to me my slaves, super expensive through advance for no reason. They're very good. They're sell every their .
motion sensor is they're .
great yeah the really interesting they're an interest proximity sensor, but they have got a new hub, hub and three you talk about to for a year or more. It's a zib hub for all the quiz zibbie devices, also a thread border router. And IT is a matter control if you want to be a matter. So this is the thing that should be able to control like q lights and eve shades, and work with your next thermostat.
and not require you to use homa system, because hoa system has a similar web. But IT requires you use hoa system and a lot of people aren't .
as nerdy as myself stands. Yeah.
I mean, i'm one of you. I I use some assistant. I love IT.
I have the home messing yellow. But like a lot of people don't want that. The little .
turning sik packer version.
if IT works. I just want to point out yeah throughout the matter, like every year at yes, we track like, okay, there's a bunch tious smart m products. These standards are growing.
The big companies are still all over the place for things like a simple is like i'm watching a video, my phone I want in TV still a mess, right? Like still fundamentally mess. Unless you're pretty firmly in the apple ecosystem, which is apple's argument trade fair, this is up.
Like, stay in this prison and we who care for you. Three hots I caught in consistent, reliable video. K, I think that's the apple way, but it's getting Better and Sunny's production. Shing, okay, so that's a smart home stuff.
Ah you can tell a wifi seven actually .
talk about A, I talk about A T S.
three point out forever. I really sc, three point of famously came out many, many years ago and nothing happened because no one wanted to spend the money to upgrade all of their broadcast towers to A T S C three point o because it's expensive and all you would get was like a slightly hier quality and they're like all I would I wanted do that. That's dumb. yeah. And so this company, roxy, thinks it's figured out away.
which is that xy, with an eye.
with roxy, an .
import.
R O X I. So they also do like a music APP. And so they are bringing that music APP as a channel. And so right now we're recording, if you're in vegas and you happen, have an atc three point out .
tune on your TV. You could .
have you .
recently bought IT LG, but not this year, just last year.
three people in vagus to whom supplies yeah .
you can go and you watch this channel and can pause the music on the channel. You can skip tracks. You can choose other, like stations within the channel itself, all in the channel, all broadcast. And I was like, okay, do you need wifi? And I said, wifi will like increase the quality, the visual quality, but others like the interactivity no, you don't.
It's all broadcast. And yeah and I was like.
oh, cool. They're claiming that they basically put, they called a transitory APP, uh, just a little tiny APP that goes on to the TV and Operates on the T V while you're on the channel. And then IT IT leaves this your term .
memory once you leave the channel is for no increases. The band with ah it's a digital signal is can on a little baby that's pretty how does IT send a signal back to the TV station if you want to like .
buys like there having to use a to go through server. So that all is happening. And um the money side of IT was my other question there.
They figured out instead of using broadcast ads, which I can still make as much money, they can use a streaming TV ads, so so they can use a more lucrative ad on IT. And their party was sincere lair, who has like forty percent of broadcast standard, like their own, forty percent of broadcast stations in the united states. They can own anymore because then they be a monopoly so that the only reason they haven't purchase more ah they're parting with that.
Their super excited about IT and they're insisting that it's going to be on all uh, in every market that has a tsc three point out by the end of this quarter. I'm really curious about that because there sixty percent of markets that don't that aren't completely own bicycle are so but there are like, no, no, no, we got this um so the guy was like very, very pratic about that. So we'll see um that actually happens but like this is cool. I would love to be able to you could think about IT like max could theoretically not your child but when I loved her .
dearly and every now again I regret naming home yeah yeah he could be become .
a new broadcast channel but like theoretically, max could, like be on this. Their examples were Q, V, C, or something like that.
Yes, always, there's always transaction.
transaction by stuff to choose. The weather step skipped to your your actual weather on this station while still watching the news, that sort of thing. So so like this has been a promise for a very long time and nobody y's actually like shipped IT. And so that's why this is really, really exciting.
This is like over the interactive television.
over their interactive television.
no internet required.
no internet quired. And that I think super crucial because there are so many people in the united states who don't have easy, cheap access to internet. Yeah so like they don't get to go watch all the good stuff we get to watch. And this with theoretically, if everybody adopted that, we give them more opportunities.
IT is super cool. I think all of the interactive stuff though I wonder about because on the streaming side of IT, there's no reason that hasn't been possible for forever yeah and still nobody has that like amazon cannot figure out how to do a good job of letting you be like I would like to buy the chips in this ad please. You're showing me a commercial for freedom.
Please allow me to buy these free dos. Amazon doesn't know how to do that yet. And the idea that they're .
gonna figure this out on in that .
with Price.
yeah slowly I .
suspect that one like like this right now, it's just gonna a this rocky music up that's all we're going to a the roxy music channel that's all work going to see. Uh, you know maybe they could work with Q V C and Q V C and them could put their heads together and figure this out.
But here's my question. Yeah, it's it's always V C. It's all the thing you do at supreme is improved the picture quality .
yeah someone the idea you're going to able to send what amounts to streaming services over broadband is really exciting for all the things over broadcast start yeah is super exciting. And then also the fact that the picture equality could be Better. But I just onder if any of the stay holders involved in this care enough about a tsc three anymore to pick this fight, it's like the matter casting, like we should have done this decade ago.
and everything would be Better. Similar needs IT. Like if sinClair doesn't figure this out, brought like they're dt, you know, ten years for now, broadcast TV is dead.
Like last year, we did a lot of reporting about how people are watching this broadcast T, V. So it's on its last. Like IT needs something. And if this can get those companies and a lot of these streaming companies own broadcast networks right, like like A, B, C or disney, does paramount does I think, believe max, that owns a lot of cable channels, like there is certainly opportunity for these people. And the fact that this company .
is figured out tech, this is lucretius trum.
You should be able to do something .
with ideally you increase the it's great. Ah it's I was another standards by way you should go watch just the gli and oxy face. It's a video just watch the video the way that I felt at the fear alex felt in eighty people to .
watch because I think I was just .
that excited yeah people like today when I go to look at some party y speakers .
and I feel like I am going to be person through um just .
another quick standard shock ment A T too is the magic wireless standard that is basically mag safe. It's here. There's some products.
There's a lot of IT. It's the good news is less about like a specific product and more about IT. Just feels like everybody has decided to embrace to to which and including apple, which was like to including apple, like we're going start to see a lot of injured phones with IT this year. Everybody thinks the new pixel is gonna IT like the the momentum on this is super real and happening fast to the point, I think like and we've talked a lot on the show about how cool IT will be when we have a bunch of unified systems for accessories ies were getting with USB c. We're getting IT with to like it's it's gonna be good things.
yes. So we got some photos of ducks from status and other companies. There's a belt thing that works with the apple d's new dock kit. Yeah and I absolutely .
forgot a dcc kit was a thing.
Yeah the apple is like we've made an accessory standard and you're so used to be being like and there will be one company will try IT. But now because of U S, B, C. And two companies are not free to try IT, it's like less costly way yeah to balk made a dca doc.
You put IT on IT and dock IT motorised is the dock lawyer in face time mode so like follow you around. I know that cool. I think it's that the people .
made a thing. Yes yeah that .
is this anything I will say? I hate. I hate the web tips that automatically move to keep you in the center of the frame. IT is the worst experience to be on a call with somebody, what their camera is constantly moving every time they move their head.
it's just painting. Zoom, yeah, yeah. Ah our pain in skin.
right? Like if you watch something that is constantly painting and skinning sucks.
A porch built an entire tiktok. What are you doing for out? What is one on five, seven? It's everywhere. It's like having a moment.
It's having a moment.
It's it's faster yeah OK like it's faster because you going to do a thing. I can I use multiple radio channels.
Yeah and yeah, it's faster. I can use more channels. And the big .
thing is that do you want to anything else .
from why .
I like go fast?
It's now interactive. If you can connect Q, V, C with that and buy thanks.
you can make max on IT now.
which all of them.
But yeah, I think the big thing is, is that it's going to be smarter about how IT handles. Your traffic. So if you're on the five giger hurts and it's it's getting jamous stuff, it'll touch you over automatically to six.
And this is just like like the bit. But the main thing is just it's faster. It's getting a lot faster. It's getting smarter about how IT handles all those packets. Yeah and ah you can be like you're going to find laptops with that now because a long to the laptops announced to the point where I was like, oh, I guess it's just everywhere now as though the cheap er laptop sone have IT, but anything like the X P S line has a yeah I almost all of the gaming laptops that were announced that .
so is this just all the stuff with the new intel?
Yeah seems like primarily the new intel. And but you still have to have like the wifi equip and that's expensive, right? And so like sometimes like no, I going to put the new wifi, yes, but um but yes, so so it's gonna ailments this year hasn't IT to tell people to go out. And by those wifi seven rounds.
I think you can still just started certifying. Yeah you can buy them now I cert the promise of .
just got was that wifi 6e like last year or something？ Um I only know that because I bought a five, six router and then I was immediately that out sixe and .
I about that's how I feel to you. I just bought new euros in their wifi six because I like, who needs six? E like that's barely and and generations.
Uh so this is all just this is like the wifi companies are doing what the TV companies did really just want to make you jealous every year yeah so you okay. I guess I Better go to spend three thousand dollars on a new router.
Yeah, I could wait until there's the second generation writers. Some things come down. The resting you on is so we suffer instability in your network infrastructure fair. So like unless you need for some reason, like a two gigg a bit per second wifi link.
if you live like an apartment by yourself, really small, your routers old, you see one of these like giant because it's always can be able like the giant gaming routers. You would spend five hundred dollars on that thing. You know i'm not gona judge you. I've done that not for seven, but i've definitely done that. But otherwise probably probably way zero max .
seven is not four five hundred dollars. It's like, oh, no.
i'm taking like the gaming the gaming ones are also like they usually started four or five hundred, but they immediately go out .
a single eo max seven and six hundred dollars and three pack is seven hundred dollars.
Yeah, you wait, just waited.
Don't spend that much money like .
it's fast but is that much faster than six um as particularly because you're still gonna like hampered by the fact that you have to pay your I S P who probably is going to give you garbage internet. So unless you're just moving a lot of big files on your black server, you're probably find .
my local network this .
is like or something.
but it's why I .
IT is here IT seems like it's going to be the next sixty seems very transitory, but also have sixty network and I feel very annoyed. yes. Yeah whatever next year six.
And then lastly, on the standards front, I will say the virt team was the most irrationally excited about this. I don't know why the thunder five is here and we have a lot of pictures of the USB c ports with stickers on them that indicate they support thunder five. They're just pictures of USB c ports.
Now i'm not saying we shouldn't run pictures of USB c portier diverge. I am perhaps the most guilty of publishing photo supports, say, and excitedly telling people that the future is here. I've done in a lot, but i'm just talking you.
It's not even a different shape of port. Yeah it's A U S, B, C. Or of the sticker on at the 40 55 offers tuner forty what charging hotter in twenty gig bit for second data transfer and up in in all support matters， up to five hundred forty heard refresher rates .
on the new versions. Can you in two hundred charger on a plane that's like past F A A rules.
right? No, that's a battery. You can bring a more than one hundred hundred our battery.
Okay, so this time .
but yeah you can put two those together ah, but you need IT for some the GPU that you need to support. Five hundred forty hds refresher. Tes, this is just the next standard. There are some laptops here.
Again, you can look at the photos of the ports of the sicker on them on the website ah but the about five is here uh and sean, talk to the person intel responsible for missing who you referred to imprint on website as misthress wow. And I refuse to learn his real name intel. mr.
Thunderous, when asked apple support thero five simply said to Shawn, or they support every other one. So I know. Yes, we also photos about five cable IT looks.
I ve died. Like our own team is so excited. Like there was a hunt to get the first picture. Thunder.
like two weeks ago, we made a whole world case episode about how stupid u. Bc is. This is not stupid.
USB c. This is the good U. S. B. C. So like, which should be .
excited about is very good at, are we have a break that was the standard? Is lightning round here at the verge? Cast.
episode two CS day four, still on sponges.
Well, we're heard the key.
You can ask help. Yeah.
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Our back C S virtue s two day four months, one hour twelve year twenty .
twenty four last little .
lightning round to C S coverage. The show over the years has become a car show. There just cars everywhere.
We're literally sitting in key connected home. There's cars all around us, every kind of car attack that you can think of being. Demo here.
I saw up how was steering pump on the show for day. The boss, here's a thit ends like that. Consumer summer, not literally every piece of the car is being reconnecting ized to be connected, to be smart, to be evy. David, run through from the highlighter.
So that thing you said is actually kind of why I think the car stuff is really interesting because he feels like we got a bunch of cars. There's like new versions of existing cars, right? There's a lot of that to see every year.
There's lot of that this year. This year felt unusually also like we got a bunch of things that are shaped like cars that are barely cars. yes.
And I think like the tony of file, which is probably the personal we should talk about, is to me the closest version of that thing. This is like borderline not a car IT just looks like a car, but it's it's like a lounge area that runs places. But the car part seems .
to be the least important .
and least fleshed out part of this car. They've spent a lot of time thinking .
about the seats. Yeah.
that's about IT. I think that's weird. We're in this like strange time with cars where like honda has this very cool new a concept series called honda zero handy and keer doing interesting stuff.
There are all the real place. There's just like a bug. I chilling on the floor for reasons that I don't totally understand, but IT just feels like a lot of the cars here .
aren't cars.
Your tank, my tank, t think .
it's like a little like tiny tango.
There is a coming here called dodge brothers with eaves. But theyve bought N A dodge chAllenger. And I runs like, what's this for? We just thought to get essential. It's very good, just good. So the way I always thought about this for years was at CS, we saw the future, the inside of cars, and then the try order shows a few weeks here that's see the outside.
The thing that is, I think, not the case more or because I think what is happening in a big way is cards are going where there's cool design stuff like this honor concept, really cool. The inside car is that is what is selling the cars now. So if you just think I guy love watching car, reason you stuck to me, you watch for solar reviews, uh, mild summaries and the M P H. Team of the day, he makes great tiktok car reviews. Everyone's like flip in buttons and counting couples ders and like what .
like corks and future .
because you're inside the car. So that whole thing has moved to the trade because that's how you're going to sell cars now, right?
Is like and is that just because especially as things go EV like, the the experience of what it's going to be like to drive, this thing just compresses to the point driving an E V is going to be.
Driving an E V is going ability yeah because you get the car drive you to want to go. The meantime, you will be a wash and see if SONY IP transact your man find on the car.
And here we .
watched in our streaming service. If you keep put brave core and Sonia H I eighty back of this person, I guarantee .
you that's a thing.
Do you think of because i'm in CS, i've been wondering this all league bravo or used a chest to drop by like two hundred .
and percent i'm not at home who's watching .
so to me and any so they feel is really interesting because I kind of get what zone needs from hondo? Can you make us a car? What have been? One is I, what is hunter get from SONY? And the answer is a universe of screens and content. But that is, I doesn't feel like enough to saw me a car.
I mean, but also most of the car maker is most not all are garbage at like the software side of things.
So you see why honey would turn to noted software yeah indians providers. So me, I mean.
if your garden jet IT IT makes sense.
can you imagine if the like the interface of the tony, I feel as the same menu structure is like any SONY camera.
just been forty five minutes. Every time you getting your car, even to .
anywhere .
before to drive.
you read the own format card. Sorry.
yes, it's actually memory, so only memory formats. So that's a few which is interesting. You love the pictures but is very much it's the less of the car more about will you watch a bunch of SONY content on these SONY screens? And I think the answer is what I have a phone. So no. And well, just it's not it's the most papers are of the paper cars like this year instead of a picture of IT, you can like .
look at one. You can sit in the passenger seat yeah .
it's I guess that's part of what .
is like leaving me called the thought of stuff as IT doesn't really feel like any of this is getting more real year, year after year. Like I think we're in a phase with car design that I think is not going to last forever where everybody is just designing cars that are like the capital of future. Me like everything looks like a play runner prop now and that's fun, but eventually will like start making evs that look like cars again.
Like that world that will happen will come back to you. Don't think so. You think we're just going to stay in this.
Like I think the three thousand depends on autonomy. I think right now, we're on the cost of what feels like a really fun. And I cars, cars are real apply for long time, like the angry robot car was just everywhere for a minute.
yeah. And others like some very cool, like smooth that that reacher designs are ever all replace the hand. A wonder talking about, uh, hung here that there's the hand and concept, can I like that stuff is really cool that we're sitting above in evy.
Nine people keep coming. And looking at the event nine, you could just see, like car communities are the new press is like a surprisingly cool looking car, dog slow, but surprisingly cool looking car. We are just on the company.
What I think is a good moment for car design. And because you can read the evy stuff that you rebandage cars and think about them in different way and they want them to look different from came before, because they want to signal consumers like these aren't ous cars. And then I hope you might get to autonomy, which is a real coin flip on one that will happen. And then you get a really repeat, which is the car into the thing that looks nothing like a car.
So I totally agree with that. But like this hunter concept is just the bad mobile, like they just made the bad mobile.
I just think .
we might have swing the pencil a little yes.
I mean a cept.
But now i'm looking the picture this hard so I like .
I had that on my wall when I was like a but does are .
these are all concepts are out in the world. And you look at what's actually announced, it's bmw put in an L M in the volcker stem. Okay, there is a bunch of A R features in the new bmw. It's like why yeah voice talk to ChatGPT inside the which I am told people have just been doing anyway, unlike the streets of sentence ces.
i'm gonna try IT on my road .
trip like someone told me yesterday. Like more people, more tech people in service go are driving around, just chatted to ChatGPT instead of a simple casts than you think.
Do they have like siblings, parents.
loved ones?
Think of like everyone and all there's like an that comes out that's like turn all of your emails into a daily podcast and like who wants that .
and then see these people IT turns out, yeah, I wow's li misinformed. Yeah just utterly be. I know a lot of facts this.
but one of the .
box that don't think exactly they're .
like ready to read books that i've never been written up on the flip sides of that there is a lot of just infrastructure here is yes, uh, I think this can only be red as a threat until had a whole key out where they watch air stuff and then the quotes. We are bringing the a ipc to the car, you like IT or not. And I just wants this to be a big market for them.
You can see that they would like to bring carmakers to use their chips, but very late in video is very dominant all over the cars. But there's notion that the car should be one sort of unified computer from the body control module, all the infotainment sac I think intel is as an opportunity. And then I just end here. We should just talk about where I am and cities.
Do we have to?
So I was sent a video by a good friend of the mercies event, which I have been told was very expensive to produce in wild comes out. And he wrapped a song about cars he just did IT. And in the future we announced is that this is actually call.
I don't have you seen this video or any demo. So IT, it's an interactive musical experience in the car. It's like playing a track and will I am obviously trust on the samples and if you speed up the track is more exciting .
and I don't want that and IT IT .
feels like it's just going to make you drive through.
And I was like my car just screaming at me as I drive down the road.
Have you ever have you see the movie baby driver? Yeah, like the thing in that movie that's so cool as the music is matched up to what's going on. So like he's he's steering on beat and drifting on beat and he just IT ripped you so fun the whole time. And like I could .
do that you watch that, you watch fast and furious you get in this car, immediate accident, like you're going one hundred miles for hours straight out. You like, I can drift around this corner in my yelling .
at you the way home.
Uh, so it's the A M B X sound drive or m box sound drive IT links the music that you're into, driving a bunch of tracks, unch of samples, uh, and things like energy recovery, ation acceleration, steering, breaking and turning all linked to what is being played. And will I am reversed as the automotive orchestra? Okay, I ve IT.
There was a thing a bunch of years ago and it's possible i'm going to get all of the details of this wrong where I think IT was spotify did a thing with t sto. That had basically like adaptive tsu songs to your workout so that like the faster you were moving, the faster tsi would go, yeah and I tried IT out and IT was like, IT was pretty cool because IT like keeps up with the beat as you're running. And you like you kind of you found in the right pace, hundred percent. Everyone is gonna rash that our cars.
as soon as they start you, there's other things that happen to, for example, of its raining and you turning intial wipers, play well, file beat so you can drive home is sadly in .
the rain so you drive slow.
I was in love ones. My sady spend.
if you get in the car, if you like, roll into the mcDonald's drive through. Like.
what does this art, sadie want sound to open music platform so that any musician create their own auditory sound scape for driving using the inbox Operating system. This is like, why MC? Yes, I want to be very clear this specific nonsensical idea with will, I am just much, well, I am surprised they have and put the words A I in this in any way.
shape, perform. I'm just imagine being a kid in this car, you know, when you tip the back and you'd like when it's rating on your car, you're just thinking really heavy thoughts in the back of the car is little kid. But now you'll have the soundtrack going with no file sound track.
I just wanted to like, play me depressing music while I like, shove taco bell in my face on a long road trip. What's the .
end .
on .
the view? The other hand, if you got broken up, you you can buy a talk o and bread, say, like that french rap alone. And I going to take this home.
We've all been, there are right. And slivers s date to episode two day for at C S. Twenty twenty four.
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