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Looking for chest, the flagship podcast of samsung dex .

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Alex Andras is here. I I don't know what dex is. No, i've used that.

I've used that. You want to find out a David peers refuses to use decks. So we replaced him with dansey. T, who's gona show us his decks set up .

today on the decks? Defender.

it's coming. Actually, David, just on vacation. Yeah, but for a moment you thought that I was so hard core samsung dex that I clipped my friend from his own showed.

yeah, yeah, I would have believed IT .

it's like that who we are now yeah.

you and then, or both, like very passionate dex.

defending different directions .

to a different direction. That sounds and David like, no, yeah.

If you don't have a strong opinion about samsung xi, can't your pro or con .

i'm forming on right now? So I don't get rejected from the room. It's going.

It's coming. David is on a very well, deserve vacation. Then it's filing for me, dan. I doing.

i'm right. I am not recording three ducks, to be clear, will get into IT not the right tool for the job .

I saw down in the office today. I think I look at this and he pulls out what, by all accounts, looks like a laptop. And well, well, let people look at IT.

I mean, it's not things that is like phone magnet on the side and he's like it's dex and like that's awesome. And as like you have to come on the virtue st and talk about IT. And the first thing done said to me was I will not record to this. I don't .

trust IT enough.

he just who nothing mission critical is happening here. Then show us your just Frankly absurd galaxy for sam. And that s laptop .

set to the best as I member.

It's a radio show in your car right now. Pull over and close your eyes and in your mind's eye, imagine would then saying, or alternatives pulled over and watch us on youtube.

Those are two choice. yeah. Uh, so this is like not a new thing, to be clear.

And I bought a next dock, which is a laptop thing, been out for a couple of years. This idea has been out for like well over a decade. You plug your phone into IT.

It's a laptop looking thing, but there's no guts inside of IT. There's no computer inside of IT. It's just a touch screen keyboard track that battery and you plug your phone into IT. But what they did was I got this magnetic mouse.

It's like a folding mag safe mouth.

So I put a mag safe, if anyone's been following me on any threads. Remit on to seen that. I put a magi fery on the back of my z fold, and then I bought this magnetic mount that I stuck to the back of the next up. And so now i've got a deck set up with my phone on the side. And if it's A F A door screen induced.

yeah, that's when the world's worst crime.

IT is IT a dull screen or A A triple screen like the dex.

It's to see this two.

yeah. The fold I almost feel like is a .

technically a triple screen because the back of the fold has a screen is not.

And I could display something on the screen for people sitting across from me at the coffee shop.

I'm actually astonished the decks doesn't put up a full screen ad on the back of the full screen. It's like you're witnessing the power of samsung desk.

Yes, no, go buy a fridge that would be quite wonderful actually. But no, it's it's a dual screen thing. I got my phone on one side. The cool thing about this set up is that you can use the phone as a phone and like, but that looks like a phone. Then on the other side, the dex interface .

IT is also significantly Better than what you are, right?

I know IT IT is such a vast improvement over my attempt to use dex. The problem with that is that you still have few years of galaxy fold.

You have to buy this fake laptop.

I don't have a problem with that.

But yeah, I my I did not enjoy one minute of using the galaxy food. Just every piece that just made me that says that they don't enjoy using android. I like using android. The galaxy fold is a very particular device, a very particular demands. And I just didn't .

like it's got a particular .

set of skills and the skills are being clunkier .

than a regular phone maybe, but you could do a lot more than a regular phone, I think like just like back up on the sensation here. I think there are like two things that are appealing about deaths. One is what you've been trying to do light, which is like i'm going in ultra lights.

I'm just traveling with my phone and I role into the office yeah plugged into a hotel desk and I D have of a dest step set up with a keyboard mouse in a big screen there. That is one dream. The other way.

The other path that's interesting to me at least, is the set up that i've got here, which is like you could say, well, you're just Carrying around as much as a macbook air and a phone anyways. The difference is I don't have to, like, sink between two different devices here. Everything's running off the phone.

All of my data is running off the phone and is using my phone's internet connection. So what this is doing is essentially giving me a laptop experience with integrated solution that I can't really get through apple or really through a lot of other parties. So that is like the interesting thing.

All that said, both pets can lead to madness, and there's a lot of involved in either one of them. I just find a pretty fascinating a that IT works at all and be how far is comes since I first experiences dex way back, like twenty eighteen. And IT is wide.

you can find IT fascinating. No lighted by the by gets.

even if they don't, as well as some other .

solutions. Me from you about this thing, you're just like, look at IT works. Yes, look, I looks cool as hell again.

My, my the beginning of my dex journey started by knowing then had been decks pilled. yes.

But then what happened when you saw that there was like a fake laptop involved?

But so first I like, okay, this is so much closer yeah, to what I thought I wants. And then he showed me the next talk, which is the most aggressively sixteen by nine laptop in the world, like the amount of bezzle that is on the bottom of that display.

And you can see IT from here.

It's a good inch below the display of.

you could make that laptop four, three, just by reclamation ing vehicles. Yes, it's a lot of bezzle a and then it's still decks which is clunky.

Would you left the laptop at work?

And what if I just had a desk with a laptop on IT that I left like I used to do in the before time? That's that's where we're going.

But see if someone steal s this one they're not onna get important .

me I secret yeah you can log into IT. There's no phone.

just the fake laptop OK.

I I know it's the the dream is he just walk around with a cool phone? Yes, just plugged IT in the stuff and having a turn thing. That's the dream. We all agree that the dream throat in a couple of there a car, the car lights up and its your phone. Yes, you can start to get there, but you have to experience ence car play for Better or worse. It's great you come to the office, throw IT on a magnetic charger, but like a pad, screen lights up, you're due and all yourself, everyone knows of the dreams. Yeah, I get emails by people who, like, I feel you on the dream and then you sit down and you're like, I have to use this alexy fault, which again, like the screen, the screen is just like a bubble wavy experience.

I I mean, I don't know if he was like your specific one or whatever.

No year's is two then I think .

so if you look at mine, I could see him from here.

five. If you're .

looking at IT off access, then yeah, you can see that rice and simple like that. But when you're holding IT straight on, you really don't see the decrease. And when the screens is on and you're like experience in content, you don't see the decrease .

disappears IT just pears .

like i've read like a hundred books on IT this year.

The pixel fold, which has I think the Better aspect right, show when it's full. I disagree .

entirely because I want .

to use IT as a phone a lot of the time. And the galaxy fold does not lend itself being used as a phone because it's too tall and too skinny. So you're always unfolding IT.

The pixel fold at least folds in that direction. And I got a big update this week along with the big there is actual news this week like quite a lot of IT, but we're going to the first twenty minutes on dex anyway. The pixel will hold about enough date this week. The force is any add to work on its on its version of a folding display at full screen. Maybe I will try that, but IT doesn't have a dex mode.

No, you can't plugged the picks of hold into anything.

IT doesn't video out at all. Come on turning your chrome book.

Let's do this first party.

Dex, the flagship podcast of requesting google make dex.

Do IT google, alright?

That's that's one thing. So the dex experiments continue a pace I don't recommend, but if you have strong opinions, are dex we want to hear from me too. And I just want to mention this before we begin.

There is a big supreme court case about the social media moderation laws that were passed in texas and florida, which, but I can tell you, the on constitutional, there is pure violations of the first. There are government regulation, but they are at this records in court. It's gonna tear. Um amic is preece serving, filed in these cases. One is by public knowledge, which we like .

supporting bridge supporting .

briefs and not from the parties, that just people with strong opinions filing Graces for important. So you look at a dockets bunch, people are filing in public knowledge, which is an organza that we have talked to a lot of folks from public knowledge would have encountered on the verge many, many times. John berg mayer technology of Price encountered in our stories are our park has and he said, health today is like here in our brief and they cited welcome to hell you on yes, the supreme court brief today um which means welcome to hell you on is now part of our government history but it's just it's it's in it's in the docket on a pivotal first amendment case.

And when do you think like law students are going to start having to is required .

reading for um um when my mom or SHE didn't even call me SHE was so set at the number of f bombs in the story that he called my sister and my sister had to call me to call my mother who then said, why did you use some such language? Now clearance thus is going to read that shape and I just just i'm just anything can happen that's my message, the youth of amErica and anything can can happen. Uh, but I am actually these cases are are big deals.

What's inside of IT is, do social networks have the right to moderate their networks, to have their own first ment rights, to make choices on the network? I think the answer has yes. IT doesn't matter which side of the allier and the answer has to be yes because that way you can get things like sub atis yeah and you need things like subari tes, you maybe you need something like x that is moderated in one very specific way and something that is different until let people decide. So that's the heart of this case. But IT is just very funny to me.

I think it's great. I'm very excited for you.

I'm just again, I I just clean sonic. I described the supreme court in this piece as a group of uncool weirdos.

I mean, I think most of them than me like there.

I hope, I hope so. Most not. I think I can go through the night. And like, who, who will see themselves and who will like, is going to be pissed. God s like, look at these Jordans and .

cool as shit cakes can be like I get IT understood if anyone .

can AI generate for me a photograph of simula o pointers. Jordan saying, i'm cool as shit. I'm not sure what will do with IT, but I will .

accept IT just into your heart. Just happy to experience .

them in the black's OK. There is a lot of news this week. It's start with google.

We have been talking about google big news this week they launched germany is the new AI model that they even talking about for a while. They started talking about IT even when they launch part of the first time. Even at I O, they are saying we have this new model called germany.

They have been doing demos of IT. IT is finally here. IT is obviously meant to be the big step change competitor to ChatGPT and partial GPT for you.

Uh, David, talk to synaptic A I and demis, who runs google deep in the head of eye over there. There they keep talking about bench sharks, which I I would like to get european ons on. We've reviewed many products.

There's there's an importance of venture Marks in the world. I don't know what an AI model benchmark is, but they talked about IT a lot. They are thirty out of thirty two benchmark G I beats GPT for that's .

like a game's nexus number of benchMarks to run.

I don't know. So we should talk about that, what that means if that is a useful measure for us as we can figure out like how all this should evaluate different AI systems. But that is a claim.

Thirty, thirty two, same all in. You're back. Guess what? You've got fired again, I don't know.

Soon told David that eventually german I be integrated in to search its ad products in the chrome. Like this is the thing you're going to build on. It's in bar.

You can play with bar. I want to talk about bar in a minute. The the main, main thing in A G mini is that IT is multimodal from the jump, right?

So IT understands video and audio can spit some of that stuff out. There is a really fun video that google released where a person is drawn a picture of a duck and IT just sort of figures out. But it's looking at .

a duck cool that's cool as hell. H I I .

would posit that hot dog, not hot dog again, remains the baseline framework to understand the entire AI industry. Uh, that's a duck, you know I mean, it's a duck. Uh, so cool.

It's like fun to play with. Its cool. The addition of multimodal capabilities is what really happened this year, and that was a big step change.

And then obviously, google has new chips. It's more efficient. They're excited about .

all the multi model stuff that's not actually live for for the most people that only like for like businesses.

right? So these these are three models. So there gernando, which runs only on a pic late pro in google, very excited about this.

Now the phone is the best phone for A I. I did that that it's only impossible for germany. Now that's a small version of the new model that can run on the pixel ates tensor processing all that stuff.

Then there's gm I pro, which is what you can go use and bar today, right? And then I was shame and I ultra, which is not out yet. okay.

And but that's the one like because the proverb is still just that's the only way we can currently access IT and bar is still just tax space yeah the .

proverb is still a chatbot type of thing where you type in and gives you type the response back. And ultra is the one that involves vision and pictures and video stuff like that in your right. Uh, alex, that is like the difference now. And so we can't really experience the multi model aspect of this just yet. Ultras coming out next year, according to google and IT, will most likely be used for the more enterprise applications that are the higher demand, higher tension that's .

in the part that like google is the most excited about like over and over again because that the benchMarks throw me. It's really fast and you do all the stuff.

you can see anything. Yeah, it's a new thing, right? Like like the chat interface we've had all year with ChatGPT four and and the others as well as barred.

So like a Better chat interfaces. Great, appreciated. But like the new thing is the multi model thing. So that's understandable why google is most excited about that. That is like the thing that if you want to put your on, you're like predicting hat like a robot is going to use a multimodal M A I interface in order to navigate the world. So like that's like the exciting future stuff.

So I I get IT, and that's facing what demas said in our peace. You can see how we will get to b robotics with a model at games. really. They can see IT, but we can see is a google park. But you can see how a robot looking at something would be able to make some interpretations of IT, spit out some new commands and go so that this brings me actually like, how do we evaluate this stuff? I even think about this a lot.

You've playing with that a whole lot too.

It's i'm addicted to playing with bard because there's nothing funny er than asking a google product how will impact search. You actually like got a dances around IT. So I think playing with part is interesting.

I think the connection that barr has for lack of connection the bar has to the google search. General experience is really interesting. So bar is supposed to be a pretty self contained experience.

Yeah, you open a chatbot, you ask you for stuff. I can summarize zed things for you. They can watch a youtube video for you. And huge problems with that idea, like if the robots watching the youtube video tube created receive any money. I don't really answer a question.

I don't google .

answer a question clifts and maybe um so I have a bar a lot so far bargees has confidently luted at me left and right. I asked IT why a google executive would be upset at the verge. I want name names this time.

You can go look at my threats supposed, and like middle st. Of answers. And then I confidently pollution ated complete with a link to youtube, a verge cast in area that has never occurred. I just take go to the verge cast chanel page.

Oh, thank you for the promotion part.

great. But that to me is so not. And then I asked, why did you do this? yeah.

And IT apologized to me, like, i'm very sorry. I miss interpreted. In fact, I assume this had happened.

I read some like titles of all there, a verge test that would random like, not even like, even in the realm of relevance. And it's like, but IT turns out and further examination like this didn't happen. And I like, why do you do this? And like i'm every am getting .

Better and tell what I say whenever I file a really bad blog yeah I get hard at IT like don't look at working on IT every day.

I get Better. And I didn't read the source material.

Very sorry.

very sorry. We put that up against thirty out of thirty two benchMarks, and it's like there's only one benchmark, right? yeah.

Does IT lie you all the time? Can you trust what IT says? I don't think .

they're benchmarking bad pears.

not. I think there are benchmarking things like, can I do math, right?

Because a lot of the benchMarks seem to be around coding. And so there was a tonic coding benchMarks. And that's really where IT sounded like google is the most excited about IT is it's going to put a whole a lot of quotas out of jobs because I can do IT as well or Better.

Uh, and the not conversation about the holus instance, which for me and you and I think most people is like, that's what I actually care about. Like, i'm happy I can do pithum really, really well, but I need to know if it's gonna lie to me and destroy the world, or just lie to me and and keep showing me fake for a chest videos. I want to read .

the some of the venture works. O okay, there's M M L, U, which is a massive multi task language understanding. Oh, IT scores a ninety percent computer gp eighty six percent. I mean something to you. Yeah uh there's big bench hard that's that's called that's a reasoning.

That's the one we put on the game to big hard um it's .

a diverse set of chAllenging task requiring multistep reasoning. A german and eighty three point eight ultra I knew eighty three point six percent GPT four is a two point one. There's something called drop, which is reading comprehension at two point four for germany ultra.

Eighty point nine for G P T. four. I swear I got this isn't a blog post to google published. There's a reasoning benchmark for A I systems called hello swag.

All of these sound like the like skills. Comprehensive tests. My kids go through an elementary school where they take the state test, and they're like, are you at grade level? Are you above grade level? Are you behind? great. Yeah, that's with all of these.

Are you at g yes.

What is your hello swag level? Are you egg? Are you at acceptable? Hello swag? Are you hello? Hello swag? Are you just swag? Yeah, german.

I just just swag. Eighty seven point eight, ninety five point three helsa agg score for GPT four. Let's go.

I would remind you again, the GPT four has made back up IT is a pure turmoil, fired and retired to CEO a matter of days. But it's so it's super swag. There are some other ones.

There's math ones. Uh, gsma. K uh, ninety four point four percent for gin.

I ninety two point. Oh, so you could just read these. They are all in google by post will link to IT. My point is you look at this, and with a benchmark test for a gaming laptop, I I can draw some conclusions about how fast the laptop is, yeah, how well I will place shadow of the tub ratter.

So the game and people .

love the best.

people love IT when revenge. Mark shadow, the two writer, nobody loves anything more. We benchmark shadow the 点。 But those things are related to what you might do, right? And I just reading these benchMarks for germany, and I understand why google is proud of them.

Yes, IT is true. On thirty out of thirty two, the number in their column is blue, and on two thirty to the number in GPT calls. But that great you want IT doesn't mean anything to me that. And then in actually using the product, I find myself saying, well, I can't trust IT IT doesn't matter.

Yeah IT reminds me of the battery benchmark testing.

Yes, manufacturers.

you run down benchmark test. All of them do this on laptops, mobile vices, whatever, whether the apple H P, dell, whoever. And they will come out saying twenty two hours of video playback time, which means nothing when my black top dies in five hours .

of me using IT. You look at IT and you see there's usually abstracts and is like, we ve turned off the wifi. We've turned off the blues. We have turned off the soul like, yeah screen might not even be yond, but we did IT.

And and it's the same thing here where IT is actually really, really hard to test the battery because because there are so many variables and in the same way, there are so many variables with hycy ation. So it's like it's really hard they can even figure out how to make something to test if it's fluctuating, how are they are going to make a benchmark juice? Al luCindy, yeah.

I mean, I I think IT is fascinating that they have a benchmark for understand info graphics. I think that's cool that someone had to come up with that match, mark. yeah. And someone had to point out the german I ultra gets an eighty point three on that benchmark nail IT. Where's the GPT four gets seventy five point one.

We can talk about the actual i'm focused on this because I think there's a tendency with all tech products to try to find some objective measure that we will say that apple is definitively Better than microsoft or whatever IT is windows drums yeah look at this bench work like we've live in IT. And i'm just trying to apply that instinctively to being shown some benchMarks. And I like, but I don't I think .

it's so hard to do with AI because AI is especially large language models. So napos IT is so vast, right? Like like the amount of stuff is interesting and then that I can like recreate is enormous. We are very .

close to being like i'm a measured geri skull and tell you how smart IT is yeah it's it's there.

It's like do we want to .

do that? So there some some weird here, but at the same time knowing that one of these is good or worse IT to coating infographics um I shared a post with andre marino engineer the other day where someone was uploading all of the manuals to old role in synthesizers.

That would be something .

you do asking IT how to make the sounds on cure records and IT would just read the because those manuals are inpenetrable. Yeah, and I would just like spit out some settings for various songs. That is the cool of shit, the entire acat though I don't know. I was just a threads supposed about somebody was excited, cool. But it's like i'm certainly got closer than if you were just ice cold reading the annual right, especially you may know that in penitent.

I mean, if I gave you some like the pesh mode settings when you asked for the cure, that would not be very good, right?

I mean, that would cause a holy war to be that. Um but there's just some of that which I think is so cool that these tools can do and I don't know how to evaluate a company telling me I don't make a connection between the benchMarks are Better and the capabilities are Better.

I think is because it's really it's hard for them to do so only okay, what I can lean on benchMarks because this is like something I can actually say. I don't have to just feel like doesn't IT feel nicer. Would you get a lot of times with with gadgets? They always like give me those the subjective things and largely with with A I IT is largely subjective like, okay, yes, it's cool that I can do pass on the stuff Better.

But the the big stuff, the stuff that most people we're going to be using IT for, is all that, the subjective stuff. And you can test that like IT feels like you more have to do, like a research project, like more like antoine logy or something I feel like then IT is like mathematics and computation. Do these models have .

different personalities? Do they? Are they Better? Different things to their cultures are IT. Like you do start to get into some very deep questions about the nature of intelligence. And then you're like, someone asked if I was handsome and was like, like a literally like, beauty is in the eye of holder and I was like, well, you ve got a little bit of personality.

right? I see how that .

is then yeah like because the contributions are best. But I anyway, people should play that. I'm curious what people think of IT.

There is obviously the future of google's business is here, right? The future of the search business, which are the cash offer for google sitting right in this product. And I still don't know how that's gonna work, and I don't know if google yet knows how it's gona work.

How is that working in the pigs? I haven't tried the pixel version here. And i'm just curious .

like so the pixel I pro is only there's two things that it's auto summarized in the recorder APP and smart reply in the g board .

keyboard are now gm I an okay. Yeah I mean.

but you can really feel that twenty nine th benchmark yeah when you're using smart reply in the picks like keyword, I look those are auto reply, auto complete. That stuff is really important.

But the A I .

stuff i've been doing, a reporter APP is neat and like for a lot of our reporters .

like IT like like a lot of our reporters o yeah use a pixel phone to just record because I don't worry about all the varied wide variety of transcription services that costs a lot of money and also use A I yeah so you just do that and that like that genuinely useful. But for a very small group of people.

I imagine google is always thinking about the the journal hard working journalist world and the pixel of future. But if you're recording a meeting and at some of the meeting meeting that is meaningfully Better, that's great. And if that happens locally, you're not sending your enterprise work product off to a cloud service that's good for you.

Going to do all my CS briefings this way.

Just throw the thing I try to this robot summary what you have to say for me anyway but so that's the big news of the week like this is the future of google. You can just go play with bar. It's need there's other a news this week, uh, so being tear sweet being announced, something called deep search.

So the being is always camen say this, we started with a deck. I want to go to being. There's always been one really fascinating of the being search product. What is IT relates to g pity for.

Just want to sit with that sentence four minute.

They've been doing, I don't know that and has been good or it's work or it's taking one point of market share, but they've always been doing something really interesting, which they call search orchestration.

Now what it's going to do is take that once that father is going to read your search query, microsoft examples, how do point systems work in japan? It's going to figure out all the things I could mean, and it's going to go search for those things and less thing together. So you can figure out IT. If you mean credit card point system or weird social credit systems or whatever IT is in, its going to access so to take more time. But it's actually sort like expanding your query for you yeah in doing a bigger, deeper search of the web, which I think is fast yeah I feel like .

you looking at IT and see what they did there. I think that's a great example of the loyalty programs because IT is something you IT is nebulous. And if you don't have like the car, the point sky, whatever you for your region that is genuinely useful, you want that that summary and like that's hard to do in your own. Yeah you can. But xian.

so it's really fascinating to me about this is that if you will remember when when ChatGPT launched and being launched, there is that explosion of interest and prompt engineering. yeah. And we had lots of conversations with people. A executives are on decoder saying prompt engineering is just a thing that's gonna en in the middle .

that needs to be other great piece on product engineering.

Yeah and every there's this theory that that's like a local it's a flash the hand moment yes. And then you look at what deep searcher is doing, and IT is mechanically taking your query to the big search engine and rewriting IT to be a longer prompt.

So IT takes how do point systems work in japan and IT rewrites the probe to being as provide an explanation for how various loyalty card programs are going in japan, including the benefits, requirements, limitations. And then IT goes on. It's like a full paragraph, one prompt. And you see that microsoft has learned that IT IT should just automate prompt engineering for you, and that how we should constantly talk to the alliance.

It's another job claimed .

by A I created and claimed in the same .

year um idio. Now that we know more about particularly how being works, like the huge meta prompt that IT feeds into gp t is crazy. That the one that killed sydney basically and killed the personality and puts the guide rails is just a meet up prompt that is appended to your query.

And so I don't know that's how google managing bar. I don't like that help they all work, but this is very much how. Microsoft is starting to manage being which is fascinating um in this of this deep searches just like kind of extension of that.

yes. Well, I appreciate that it's pretty candid about IT like in practice, how often it's gone to show you that whole search prompt so that eventually you you can figure that out and be like, okay, well, so I just do a whole paragraph now instead been like tell me how to fix IT, which is probably useful for people. I mean, I would do that. I don't know sure most people just be to tell me how to fix IT because .

that's faster n new year. Yeah so but the race to to your point yeah the race to just answer the question continues a pace. And I think for google, the german nice stuff is exciting.

IT shows there in the game there. They're excited about IT very obviously soon did a press toward the whole thing, but how they turn that into money is still a huge open question. Yeah, I just know the answer, but if the end result is you ask the a one a question.

I just tells you the answer whether it's going through this like secondary prompt engineering exercises or not or it's passing the hello swag test yeah whatever it's doing ah they ve got to put ads in there somewhere. They got to make some money. I have seen some people say they think the german I ultra will be a subscribe product. The way that GPT four is a subsequent product .

GPT two point five is not or how rock .

scription product c also anxious c it's fine. Um last two little bit of a anis when we say break a apple also makes some anus this week, which is the first time apple has made any AI news really baby steps, baby steps. They released a new model framework called ml x that allows you to run various kinds of models and very is coding languages like PyTorch on their chips using their memory architecture ideas.

I bet that was an internal tool. They're like it's good enough. We can not make IT public because that's been a big deal at apple is they don't want to actually use all the other A I tools, but they want their own aid I tools.

yeah. So they been having to like, how do we build their own burden? Gm, yes, these names.

but an apple is also leaning more into the open source world. So if you are, if you you know open source is sure you want met as lama, which is open source. You want to run apple silicon. You have a framework to do that, that apple is providing supporting. Will I get you anywhere like I don't know.

I'm curious to see how well the silicon handles IT because just how different of the different architectures handle A I and pretty cully like that stuff like the apple silicon is very specifically built for a specific type of processing, and it's good at the other stuff. We seen how good IT is for the video. And i'm just really curious if that translate tes as like GPU kind of .

translates I think you're right. Like apple is very particular GPU ideas, but they also very particular neural engine ideas yeah and we've just never seen anyone attack that part of their chip to go head to head with like an invidia they have to do is say.

like, yeah, IT opens your phone very fast, is really good at that in the super smart and it's like, cool. I have no way to ever test in .

the apple product.

That's what I think. That's what we got. Shadows of the two minutes only thing that works. The only way to test and apple product.

okay. In the last little piece of A I is I will just remind everyone again and again and again, these companies are running rampant with copy rated information to train their systems. No one knows if it's legal.

They are insistent that they are but all of them, all of this money coin flip, fair use lawsuit, I take IT all then IT is just true. It's it's a total coin flip. You might have some opinions.

I have some opinions or company have some opinions soon, or porch as some opinions. I, such an delassus, initially asked all of them in there, like, yeah, the legal process will have to pay. At getty last suit, getty images lost IT against stability.

A I is not going going to try on the U. K, and they obviously suit here too well. On U. K, different united states, this is just a gigantic time bomb in the middle. The AI boom is no knows of the train. That is very, is again, I I have an opinion, I think he is probably not, and I am not that person that's not came up at all.

That's not that he was a surprising opinion for me, but the idea that you can just take all of the touches who were IT up and somehow create billions of dollar as of value for your users out of IT, that seems wrong without any any return just on its face IT seems like you're going to go to a court with that argument and something there is going to happen that you cannot predict. Yeah weird. Just so well, I say I don't at the courts are not predictable here.

We're all going to get like fifty cents for our tweet. Yes, that's sorry. Here's fifty cents.

We use your tweet. Google has to send you .

A N every time anybody man fank writers to.

And the losses are just to keep happening because in particular in this country, very use is not a precedent setting decision. Every single failure case evaluated on its merits to novo, like it's supposed to be case by case. It's in the law. So you can just keep filing the lawsuits until something else happens.

Could somebody just make a law at some point?

One would. I don't know if you've been paying attention .

to the state of a cut for me.

just fix IT doesn't seem doesn't seem likely day George santa is on camera. That's the state .

of our government is .

in the and he is on camo. Yeah.

good pivot.

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Back we're off the AI benchmark news yeah but now it's time for hacks x and freak with a PH that actually pretty important what would you call IT in work around reverse engineering .

work around you? Yeah but there's solution there.

Some spotting happening .

there too, right? Yeah so deeper, which is long standing eye message work around that for years basically until just recently involved, uh, you sign ning into your eye account on a mac mini in a cloud as a real service now has reverse engineered I message and they say they can do IT natively then let's .

yeah so it's it's a fascinating story as as you just said, you know people around for a while. But over the summer, a developer posted proof concept to get hub that they had reverse engineered the eye message protocol and was able to send messages directly from basically any device linux, windows, android, two apples I message servers without having these are ray server. And when beeper found out about this, a bieber who is uh, headed by former preval CEO eric magic of .

the smart watch company.

Couple the smart watch. Yes, you do have to clarify, there are like eight failed pupils now um don't name your future. Have any people? That's all my my advice. Anyone he reached to the developer, contracted with, turns out to sixteen year old high cook hires him part time to develop this into, uh, a full fledge APP. So now what we have today is a new APP called they're calling a proper mini for now, IT is an I message client for android, and IT is exactly what that says IT is, uh, you you install IT on your android phone.

You don't even have to sign in with an apple I D IT talks to apple servers, takes your phone number and turns them into a blue bubble on I S devices or max whoever you're messaging uh and IT doesn't all locally without a server reay server involved and the way that they kind of reverse engineered that is a fascinating process. I strongly recommend going to check out snazzy huge video on IT because he explained step by step and Frankly, it's above my head how IT all works but they end up spoofing uh, serial numbers of real apple devices, which is a technique that spent around for a long time in the hacker tosh world and in other applications in order to get apple software to run on things that maybe apple doesn't formally approve. Apples kind of just always ignored IT and left you alone, but they're using this now to basically spoof I message on to android and allow you to be having completely full, fully supported, for the most part, blue bible conversations. The iphone and it's it's fascinating that works incredibly .

well because you've used that jake, I know who has been using IT.

You really like IT. I think it's great like I I switched my sim fully from uh an iphone to an android phone and nobody noticed. Like nothing skip to be like I am still a blue bubble to all of the iphone context I ve ever had and now I can message with R C S in google messages APP, uh, to android users.

And I like, don't get left at a group messages. I don't get missed notifications on reactions. I if I wanted to send voice messages, I could, like all of those features are supported, uh, fascinating when somebody is.

congratulations, you also get the balloons .

so you don't get the eye message reactions. I think that's called, you don't hear that. Uh, I believe they said they are working on that. They are working on actually integrating face time somehow, which I don't know how they are going to do. Uh and the one thing that they don't ever anticipate, ever being able to support are the im message .

apps and games, which oh sorry, games.

the I message experience most people think about on their iphones is now fully replicated on the android.

What happens if you have a mixed group of some android phones, some be per mini, in some iphones? So the deeper .

mini is going to act as an I message in that, and the iphone are going to act as an I message in that. And everything is is going to fall back to S M S. And so that would go through your S M S APP, probably google messages on your android phone because it's just going to be an S M.

S conversation when you text someone. Are you getting the text both to your beeper APP and to the regular text out? no. Oh, that's cool.

If you are I messaging someone, let's see the the APP can like tell if you're talking to an eye message client and so is just the your eye message conversation says entirely within beeper mini. If someone sends you a text message, I will come through your text message number through google messages.

So, well, everything in like example. Now I had like, okay, what happens if you ve got a peper person and an android person and message person? Then where does that message like .

IT goes to the beeper?

Because no IT goes to a scenario. You, the eer user, are using S M S. yes. And so that, like the annoying part of this is that you now have two apps message.

You have your eye message APP, and you have your google messages APP and beeper er's plan is to the original beeper. APP was like, kind of like an unlined one message service. All IT integrated all of your messages ices beeper mini is strictly eye message for out.

Their plan is to integrate all of those other plugins into the beeper mini APP. Eventually drop the mini name and suns at the old APP is the ultimate. But for today, you're using two apps.

And the claim here, which I think is important, we don't have a trip. The claim is that apple can stop IT without completely rebuilding the other message.

Verticle you i'm really curious, but I think because I keep getting stuck on the spooky part of this, like with hackensack, I used I I built a lot of hackensack when I was Younger. I love IT.

It's a fairly small community. So is like, okay, apple were LED police.

my poor dogs getting arrested as we speaking at home. But but I was I was super easy to do. IT was a lot of fun.

But I was also understood that like it's a very small community. So IT wasn't really a big deal and IT wasn't like a bunch of money was exchanging hand. You won't be like build me a hack and touch because as soon as you did that.

apple came down. You the difference there is with hacking tushes is usually you have to go acquired apple software and install IT on a device. And there is no real legal way to get that software. If you're getting like O S ten letter or what you, without getting IT from apple and apples, not going to give IT to you. If you don't have a max, you have to like basically torrent IT.

That's why we all, everybody I knew who did IT had a mac. We just wanted to also have a tiny deal attitude.

Can I tell story from these? yeah. So there is a company in florida called side star to remember this? Yes, I do.

I was like two kids and they fired out, build actos and they did in early, like international marketing campaign where, like, take down the man run O S time on your sisters, we can do IT. And they had all these, like, I would call them redit caliver. Legal theories, yes, about how legal to defeat apple in court.

And they would know I had a side star view to size star for engadget. IT was just a PC. Yeah, I was like, I was like, what of my sir of you here? Like it's just a noisy as hour PC that like sometimes boots up in the O S N.

That's what I used to build and sometimes does nothing. IT was exciting, but they had all these theories. And like if you owned a copy of the Operating system, you weren't committing copier in france, renter breach in the contract.

That's what we would all say in that IT was like tony mac eighty six x four or whatever. We do all be like, oh yeah yeah we're fine because that we already owe IT. Like I went out and I had I had the physical copy of each dvc for the OS that you could have until they stopped distributing them. And we are like, we got this. But we also generally, unlike sista.

weren't charging for IT. Charging money is a folk like you convinced yourself that if you just buy the C, D, you can make, you can send as many amp. Thies to to your friends as you want, is something .

the tories was like, no, no.

we're fine. Yes, IT is all just like you. You are cocking like a moral argument that somewhere some money has changed him .

and I can do ignore.

uh, but but my end of my size are story is they pitch themselves, watch and know they were compelling. They were like Young kids and started a business. They were taken on the man, and they got all attention.

And some, like a local florida, all weekly wrote this piece about how they are taken on apple and knew what happened. I wrote IT up, and I gait as like, I can't believe I can. I can.

I call that a puppies. I like a big puff piece about size star. Like fun. Look at these guys, but they're doing.

And the reporter and I like a baby blog ah the reporter wrote me just like the most hammer email like how dare you I would never write a puff peace these are valid issues and has like I don't know how to break this. You like this company is not make like five minutes and sure enough apples to them. They want to work immediately.

And I was like, that was crazy, but that that was all based on this argument that, like, if you did one right thing once, then you could do the wrong thing as many times as you want IT. And I think the difference with deeper is they're not using any of apple's code. They're not they're just sending apple a number that happens to be a serial number. And the .

reverse engineering is legal and protected like is like A A valid thing to do is particular particularly when IT comes to enabling interrogate, which is like the whole hindi thing here, enables international ability um for ee message on android devices.

There is another law that could get in their way like it's there. It's always learning in the background. It's like one of the worst laws in the books. It's a computer fraud and abuse act that says if you wrongfully gain access to a system that is a criminal penalty.

well, this was how all the biases they would reverse engineer the BIOS back in the eighties and you're like had to be a different room from the people.

Reverse engineering IT, right? This is currently is the pop point of a catch.

Fire is a power point. But it's also true. IT really happened. That's why IT was such a good plot point.

one of the best shows ever made. But IT is a whole plot line of IT.

It's very cool. I really excited. I was like to doing BIOS. But you know.

again, it's the technical sign of this is really kind of above my head, but queen over a snz q in his breakdown video and he like he installs the open source code on a linux laptop and connects to the protocol and like does the thing, uh, as IT works to show what is doing behind the like polished APP that is on android. And it's really quite fascinating.

And he makes the point that spoofing the serial numbers does have a number of legitimate use cases. And there's no way for able to know whether this serial number that you are sending them is the twenty fifteen I mac twenty one point five inch model that I was originally or is your android phones. Apple can't tell that. So if apple were to like turn that off, IT would break a lot of things for legitimate users. So that's kind of where the the rubbish.

But because the code is because the activity is public, apple could certainly sue beeper and say you are improperly accessing the imessage servers that you are not so much of access to. And there is a long line of cases like everything in amErica have total coin flip outcomes once you hit the supreme court, right, like a nt one, a case and the characters involving case are something unsafe.

But A T N T won a case for someone who is just hitting the A T N T website to look up over and over again. And that was A C F A, A case linked in, just lost the case to an analytic, somebody called high q that was scraping the linked in database. And it's like, well, that seems wrong with the nike one.

The importer ers took another case where police officer improper, ably did a look up, like someone paid the money to use the police database to look up. No, but he he use authorized to use the database. He just did IT in an unapprovable. What what is like you just like if there's a server on the internet and you talk to IT and IT tells you something, there's a million different ways to pass out whether that is leg or not legal.

So does how big is peep's legal? Fun, I think.

is the real question. Couple questions right next to this. The E. U. Decided this week that apple did not have to treat I am message is A A platform that is being formed.

Like what's up? Did they decide that if they just lean them? I think you .

pean list is a in a piece and like.

yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The brace has .

turned to the left, I said. Will not be a you pressure like that's like IT seems like that's going to happen. That is almost certainly, uh, apple agreed to adopt R S, right, right, which was the gamer and and we all saw that as the trade like there's the threat of the speak, interpret regulation or they could R, C, S, and say, look at an after.

great. They did that. So that sort of the background here, like apples didn't say, look, there's an interrupt way. It's coming. We're going to use maybe only four people ever use paper and the or maybe they just apple's pretty little tiger, me, they just send a threat to this company and say to stop IT.

But the need to stop IT, where apple's desire to stop is going to cause problems, yes, because they don't actually have the rcs implementation yet. And so to say we we're going to keep people locked out of our service while we work on something. I think it's just going to any developer that truly well liked.

IT got a lot of press because a lot of android people in this country really want send time messages, and you're going to pay beeper two dollars and onto or whatever is to do IT. They should have solved this problem a million years ago. They should have found a way to do this on their terms a million years ago. Now they are doing IT on the terms of the european union, and somewhat improbably, on the terms ski and deeper mini, which is just .

weird to.

and this is a sixteen year old kid who are sending in the party is like spare time, like that's a weird place for the richest company in the world to be yeah.

go after that sixteen old kid.

This is the thing you want to file the cfa city and to the sixteen old kid for reverse engineer, think like you're the bad guy that just straight up your the bad guy.

Yeah, I mean, that's what SONY did bright with. I think it's A P story.

Yeah, this is the legend of geo of George. Ts.

yes, yeah, maybe don't do that.

Well, the orchards did work and twitter for five minutes. Alright, that's that. Uh, other big piece and you are shocked at this week IT seems like focus industry and turmoil. Spotify, I just had layoffs canceling really popular shows, including a show that one pilot surprise, they cancelled heavyweight the title, they off ten percent of its staff IT just seems like in general podcasts, they had the big tech moment where all the money from the big tech companies, particularly spotify, rushed, yes.

And now the tides, spotify rushton zero plan. And then when the the gravy train.

like the celebrities.

the plane was on this entire industry as quickly as possible, like grow so fast, so big that nobody can stop us and where a title live and then like IT will be supported by all our ad dollars and the ad dollars are like, no, we're not going to support .

you that much about an attack company yeah and they wanted to do genetics.

conservation of that because they were trying to own the .

whole attack industry side of disclosure. Our ads are service by spotify attack platform microphone .

disclosure where .

a podcast think I don't even know what i'm disclosing there like someone uploads this to this thing and we use IT and someone else runs. But it's true, there is a dislosure. The whole story to me is they thought they could take a big, rich, open ecosystem and turn IT into a very closed one. Yes, you could turn spotify in the open podcasting ecosystem and is something a lot, a lot more like youtube. I think I just didn't work.

Yeah, one hundred percent agree. I think they felt like, and we all kind of knew this. Remember, I actually came on actually carmon now at loomer g broke .

a lot of this stuff about .

the R A horrible trade, but came on this very podcasts, like what, two years ago talking about this. And we're all like this isn't something like it's going to work for a spotify feels like they're just ignoring everything else about this and why this is a bad idea IT feels like we were all right high five all of us years ago.

Yes, I have been obviously they've held on a jorgen um his deal is up for renewal, we have been told so were tracking that .

did not hold on prince Harry .

and Megan and Harry didn't make IT you know something interesting to loves talk about going direct. Yeah, like love to talk about going right. You know, this journalist apex, I IT like, if you go direct and you have nothing to say, no one will listen to you and you will have gone direct to no one, which is truly the Harry and Megan story. Like, they're out of things to say, yeah.

they did the book. We are like, thank you. This is actually all we wanted from you. You just one of the tea.

And i'm not even someone who, like, i'm indian american. My people have fled the british twice, like we get out and I I do not care about any of this, but it's like even if people I know who do care and we have them on our staff, this is the part of jog. Love some royal family drama.

And they're like whatever work done with this and like that to me is you need some tension to tell a good story yeah and like that, you buy a bunch of the celebrities directly. You're not going to have any attention. Every celebrity podcast is like a .

celebrity and someone else just need the new trend. Now is its the dealers, celebrities that were on the shows with the really big folks, they i'll get together and then talk crash about the big folks and then sometimes I talk about like how they slept. Ed, with the entire cast, you're like a lot of disney channel. Like why don't get into the podcast in guys? There are so many like disney chanting .

the podcast before we before we .

go that way yeah we will do that. It's wild though. That's the new trend for celebrity .

podcast yeah all that seems like I don't work. Just to be clear, if I burned millions of dollars in this, they torched gim late, which was a darling, was fAiling as a company and obviously sold to spotify for tons and tons of money. They had no plan themselves to to gain because they were fAiling as the company.

So good, good on them. But IT also broke gmt, broke reply all and broke the culture of that company at some point, like the merges are just bad, the acquisitions are just bad. And I think this feels like they bought game.

What they bought part cast, they bought anchor, they bought negative one, and they had no plane to munge them all. They bought the winner and the plane and manages them all together. Seems like I just failed. Yes, but the stock is up and they turn their first ever profit. And it's like, is that all that matters .

if you like money? yeah. yes. I think I think .

I don't think pakistan going anywhere, you can see something growing. You can see money is flowing to some categories and them. But IT IT feels like we're returning to much more sustainable place to grow the bug gas industry.

IT was very unsustainable for a while and now it's going to be like we're only onna support podcast where people actually say something interesting. Big and also geological.

The everything qualify in all the big parkas words are doing. They're focusing on chat shows influence or you know the solo pocket for the influence which just ran to the screen that looks like a pocket deeply fast like that's a media PHD that to .

be my spin up.

There are immediate PHD any media study students that their pursuing a media studies PHD. I would read your dissertation on the the one person podcast, where they just talk the whole time. What do they do? I just, I like to talk. Yes, I do. I like my B, A, M radio model, right?

Like that was the russian and bog model. IT was the AlexAndra model. Just talk to the microphone for three hours street.

Yeah, i'm just dying to know in podcasting to do that on your own and then to try close your laptop lid and you like.

I did IT good to.

There's something in there about like that personality making, that kind of content with that kind of distribution that I promise you as A P. H. D.

thesis. There's some feedback loop in there. I just wanted know more about.

Just send IT to realize that to all of us. onest.

Ly, I want to read that you we'll do IT go get your PH. D, that's what i'm telling you. That's a good use of money in the entitle. Obviously, obviously laying off staff again. Jack dorsey, brilliantly managed company.

Yeah love IT IT beyond for a while IT um .

in the last few a little media news and take a break. Apple is mungal together its itunes movies and T V shows APP into the proper apple TV TV APP. So now we have to use IT and IT .

was already sort of done that way. Yeah so it's just like they're just like cleaning up the crumbs like the people who haven't really touched their workplace twenty years are going to like oh no, how we're going to like watch my old oak men episodes from two thousand six that sex for them but also the rest of us have been living now where you just .

use the one up yeah .

i'm judging .

people what you mean as plex. Alice is plex.

It's the apple T, V, L.

sure. The way there. Ece is very distressed. Lead T, V, shows people in accounts. Time later, we will take a break. We are back.

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Back sliding around time tells what the Sunny thing.

Earlier this week, out of place station users noticed that they were just getting banned out of the blue. Like, not a lot of people say, I am getting banned. I don't know what happened.

And you're like, no, you do at this wasn't the case. They were just like totally outright band. They didn't know what was happening. IT was a whole lot of people, which was the other part of this. And so j.

Peters and tom warn looked into IT and and eventually Sonia, like oaths are bad and just slowly, has been giving everybody their account access back. And IT was all just an accident that was just like a bug, and they they screwed up. But IT also just immediately reminded everyone, particularly impaired with the fact that SONY also recently said, okay, a lot of this content you purchased from discovery plus you will not have access to anymore, we've changed them for licensing.

It's just like a big reminder that you don't own anything you buy digitally yeah don't know any of IT. It's not years. It's all licenses. It's all fake owners, ownership and and SONY just accidently reminded their entire like customer base, which is not what you want to do when you are highly dependent. All of and all of them buying shit .

on your your store. People are buying .

that this yeah which is .

maybe this is all plot to get people to buy external this .

they just trying to like move those like, all right.

there's someone opened to close that we have a lot of blue drives way more than we thought. You guys.

all right, pull the disco plus stuff. Let's go.

We got this dr. P pop fers out of here. We got to move .

these drives, but they are a really great peace, just kind of liberating IT. He's absolutely right. Don't like if you really wants to own something and you want to own IT for a long time, don't just buy the digital version and a lot of time as you can just go buy A D V D or a blue ray and get the digital version, then you have both at the same amount of money.

And look, i'm building a new home teter and the new house i'm really thinking about put a Better player and IT.

I don't know why do IT i've got one. I use IT in one c year.

Get into my .

my use IT once .

here to rip legal media to your plex. You know .

it's a copyright and we don't need to talk .

about much. Been running back for a decade. It's great. Then what's you're lightning around? I got two OK I .

tell you both now. Yes uh, the first one is uh absented a review of the razor uh, which is not to be confused with a razor plus IT is motorola budget flip phone. Turns out it's not a very good phone, just going to start off by saying that.

But what's really fascinating to me about IT is, uh, this is the Price of seven hundred books and because motor a discounting a hundred percent of the time, all the time, uh, you can buy for five hundred dollars, which means this is a flip phone with a folding screen for five hundred dollars, which is kind of like a fascinating thing to me, that we are already at that point of affordability of these kind of flip devices. The cameras aren't great. The processor can be little slow.

The outside screen is not very useful. It's not a phone I would recommend anyone buy, but it's pretty cool that like we've gone from these are all one thousand or fourteen hundred dollars to five hundred dollars in just a couple years. Uh so that was my first um one. Yeah it's sure.

And we we the second that first galpy fold came out like all the cover on this is gonna group was interesting is the technology curve is kind of stopped, right? Like the screens are Better, they're more durable. That was the big thing, but they look largely the same.

The stumpy more .

is lovely but even just like the way the materials look and feel.

yeah, they still are soft kind of class, doesn't feel like hard glass yeah and .

that was there was some there is a lot to talk about. Bendy glass in the beginning. Remember this? Yes.

all truth in glass.

Yeah, yeah. Where is that?

Well, there's all in there is just the way they work is there's a layer of vulture glass. And then on top of that is a soft plastic screen protector. And that's what you touch and that's what provides that kind of not a great titia experience.

Where is the the most thing technology? Gy, kindly make a Better and keep the costs the same. Or you can make keep IT the same, keep, bring the costs down. And we are very much on the keep the same, bring the cost down part of the curve. There is not the step change into .

the particularly for the flip designs, the full designs are still very expensive. Uh, one plus open came out earlier this year, and that is available for around fifteen hundred dollars. That's kind of like the low Price for these folding phones ah but the flat phones, and I think it's part of who these are marketed to.

Folding phones are marketed to like uber, do everything nerds like me. And then the flip phones are marketed to people who want something a little bit more fashionable, a little bit more compact to great, don't want to spend tend to twelve hours a day during at their phone like I do, uh, and I want to make IT more of like an intentional device. And so they don't need the fastest processor, they don't need the highest and camera system. They don't need the bills and whistles ls to run deck and things like that, though I think motor a lets you run its version of decks, which is called ready for on its flip phones. So I think you can do 你 like.

I want to see that next dog with a motor. Al fu, yeah, let's do you. Bad camera, slow processor. okay? There is no choice, except for this stories to we be million and item, which is the photo of the woman in in .

the bridal gown like I saw IT. And as soon as the news broke earlier this week.

like work a couple weeks ago, did a couple of weeks and then opening, I happened and we forgot about IT. So this photo, there is a photo of a woman she's trying on a wedding dress. She's in the bridal shots.

There's mirrors all her like you do. So you can see a yourself on the angles, and she's making a different pose and all the mirrors in person. SHE is a british comedian post game story.

He said, this is crazy. I never read any. This happened.

The immediate theorising about A, I photo composites started happening. Smart T. R. SHE said. SHE went the apple store.

Some, some apple store employee told her this was an apple beta, testing a competition to best take on google, which makes no sense. This is all true. This all happened, right? This is all in her instruction stories post tom warm, because he is k time.

Warm reached her as we got to get the actual photo. He reached out to her. You got the photo.

We were talking about IT. Then the opening high news broke. Tom is our microsoft reporter, and I got very distracted.

We stopped paying attention to the woman. What interest? For a minute, the post came back this week, people thought again all the same of a theorizing that happened. The people calling IT fake up publica medians that and we had the file and nothing about the file indicates so its fake.

As we were, Thomas sent the uncompressed unseemingly, unaltered original photo of the iphone and we were looking at we are trying figure out we are like gone to ask couple because IT is very odd and that she's making three different poses, mayors. And so everyone trying to figure this out again, a lot of people play me. It's fake.

IT turns out someone else to take in the photo, and they had the camera accent in panorama mode. Oh yeah. So IT actually did stitch together several frames across to make a panama. But if you don't move the camera enough and you don't get a wide enough picture, the iphone is not a pen. The pen ebel.

yeah, that the only tale. And uh uh I I think, uh, uh, there's youtube where I found you, uh his name is for rookie's a one to kind of like popularity or told the world about this reasoning, how I work. But the only tell is that the resolution of the final image is not the same as a resolution that is captured by the sensor and so the uh photos APP does not say panama because it's not a panoramic view.

It's to uh tall and narrows. It's it's a vertically composed shot, uh but the pixel are different. And so that is like to tell there, that is a panda mic mode. Uh, for ruk was able to replicate this very quickly as soon as I have figured that out uh by putting his phone paramedic mode and like doing a very uh like uh another shot just that same way and was able to replicate IT instantly. So it's it's kind of facing was really fascine to me is like the stitching .

is like perfect because camera is is a moving.

Yes, I don't know you could do that. I like you because I always like move the camera. That's what my phone sounds like to me, but it's is always going to move the camera.

I just tells tells you how well people follow directions .

on their devices.

You can just .

ignore one. Apple should just label all panorama photos panamas. That seems like an easy fix to the solution, but to the expectation. The AI is just onna munge with reality is everywhere now.

Well, I don't think the expectation is the reality is like that. That's the reality of the situation. But like I think people are still like because that's why everybody thought I was a fake because everybody's like you're a liar. You did this on purpose. You use photo shopper or panama or whatever and it's like, no, if you just accidentally .

did IT yeah but even if you even if you think this is the world's greatest is yeah targeted to a very smoking, uh IT relies on an understanding that A I exists and is doing photo stuff.

That's true, true.

right? It's not like it's your ghost in the building. Like, know, it's like, oh, the iphone cameras AI took this a completely unbelievable picture in A A I generated you.

And like people will believe that that's true. A lot of people believe it's true. Such other people were bunking IT like the whole thing. And in the meantime he was a totally different lane yeah of photography because .

a lot of the theory were around IT was doing that thing where chooses the best shot of you. And IT just happened to assume he was three .

different people. The mire had confused and like some sort of like best cake yeah. But apple smart shirt does not work like this all, and even google best take does not work like this at all.

Apples try to share to stacks seven frames like half second you'll ve had to move her hands so fast like, totally, insanely too fast. Like that's why I was like, we got to the original file. There's no way that an iphone just generous because I was nothing like panic mode yeah so the photoshop we might have been able to tell but the thing that got me what he .

sent IT to .

time right away yeah and like here go and that that like to me like you are reported along enough oh, there are some things if there's a hesitation yeah it's only compressed one. You like.

is this off the .

record and you bring what's that like there's all the stuff that usually happens when you your request original specially here up. Okay IT. So like I there's something here that I understand and the pan and what is interesting, the the thing is truly faster to me, is that the culture is ready to receive A I fakery is an explanation for anything yeah and like I am, understand what is a photo apology SE is like well and truly here because you can tell anyone that the photo has been A I faked in the the chances of them believing you are just steadily going up even if IT doesn't transfer case.

That's where all my photos now we're going to be fixed. You don't know. They already are. They already are. I ve been taken a real photo in twenty years.

I've got a couple other ones just to go through quickly. One, this is maybe my favorite story of the year. Windows has an issue that is just for naming printers to a three laser jet to cross the board.

The only preter you .

need is very good, just .

advertising.

It's like, will A I Q us all or will the H P smart APP warm it's away and literally every computer on the planet and like begin taking out .

center futures and buying .

ink like the promising paper clips. The problem is carriage. Uh, so microsoft into IT, it's windows ten eleven printers are being randomly renny ed to H P laser jet. Uh, some issues related to printer configurations are being observed in windows devices which have access to the store.

It's very good. It's so good. Uh.

everyone just has the H P. Smart APP. Now your printer is an H P layer that and that you're gonna.

we do say by a laser printer, but we usually say, brother, not official statement.

Most printers are being named as H P. laser. Get m one or one dash. M one or six. The icons might .

also be changed. So h so gay.

it's very good. Uh then, uh, just quickly, we are gonna cover epic v google in much more detail on the wednesday how store on the show is in. But this is really important for this case. Google has got himself into an enormous amount of trouble with this judge for deleting .

records throughout this case.

like an enormous and try. The judges furious. Last friday, he said he would investigate google personally for, quote, intentionally and systematically suppressing evidence.

He called IT a frontal assault and a fair administration of justice. And he said, i'm going to get to the who is responsible on my own outside this trial. I know like i've been, i've been to .

enough companies that they are like getting lawsuits and suffer. You're told to retaining your records, but you just never think to not you just like, yeah, and my mess is gonna out .

there and soon was asking, like, can I set this chat to auto delete? They were deleting stuff left and right. They admitted in court that they were just deleting stuff at at one point, the judge called in google general council and made him answer to why these policies serious about this. That's great. I will investigate this on my own outside the trials of very funny threat like he's going to get a magnifying glasses washing he puts .

on a other jack yeah before and he's like.

let's go is like a seventy's bad cop he arrive .

his old as cars but he he's got a muscle .

is on a gto and be flying glasses is like where are the records I don't know what that lead to. But importantly, he has told all the jury not they have to, but they may infer wrong doing on the part of google if there's a question that the missing records would answered OK right. So he's that's like a pretty loaded suggestion.

He was like that. I mean, it's like, well, that's fair, but also that bad for google, right?

So the idea here is that the jury is going to consider, and I really IT really seems like google might lose this case in a way that maybe at the end of apple, I still think epic walked away with one important, just the way the legal system works. They want to bunch yourself, they want to appear whatever IT. But apple is like we just run our business.

And that that google, there's all this evidence and as much deleted evidence, all the stuff that really seems like epic mounted a much stronger case with you. yeah. And now the jury is being sent, and they are allowed to infer whatever google was hiding was bad, which is just a big deal.

You might comes to nothing, might not comes to nothing, is just worth noting. The judges furious, like this is the shade st. Thing google has done and the judge's furious about IT and he has told the jury about IT.

It's going to make all the appeals really because I just assume they will all be appealed .

to the decision. What decision? IT? I'll just what you appeal is the law yeah so the facts remain the facts.

And so this is why you don't lead your records, right? Because this will happen.

right? But the an appeals court is not to get to go back and say the jury finding effects.

all right.

They get to say that the law is wrong and we should change the law. So that's a little.

but it's a little place away. But so here.

the inference of the jury was that you might appeal. This was a wrong inference to give the jury or whatever. But he didn't.

He didn't instruct them to think one way and other. He said they were just allowed to, which is a very important instruction. Anyway, I would just say the epic v google case going to talk about much more with on on wednesday get into IT. But that was the one that to stuck out to me this week like there's something there. The last I just want to call alson Johnson cyd call for her today has a big pieces as part of our infrastructure package about just five g and the fact that IT isn't paid off for anyone ah and should we basically listen to all the big Carriers earnings calls in how they're talking about their investments, what the investors want? There's nothing there like it's basically like they might compete with fixed broadband.

So instead of having whatever isp you have, you might get a 5g fixed while I S device， this seeing side, but that they're excited about enterprise customers buying fixed five g networks, which is hard because you got to have an enterprise sales team, which we need them down, and then they can do IT rise and is calling, praising actions, which means one thing I hate IT. The action is turning the Price up. That's the action you can take.

You know what we can do? You get fast internet now. You pay a hundred dollars more.

Enjoy ah I will remind everyone who actually to note this week about project five, the ill faded attempts to turn dish network into a mobile .

Carrier still .

technically IT and they have IT. They ve ve I believe as some points that they've technically hit their coverage goals. But they've done IT by leasing space on A T and t models networks. So they have not actually built uh, nationwide wireless network.

It's just met.

It's just mitchill ease out there on the trail, a wonderful hl Clark who try desperately these projects unifies. We this whole thing was a moondog le yeah, costs a lot of money. Put all these Carriers in that consolidate us down from four to three, three and projects and of five, six.

And now we do, impressing actions like we should just see IT for what IT is usually real sence. This were going to IT. IT is great.

IT is very clear eyed, indirect about what has happened in a way that is not just me ranting. And like, maxi, are you really well, it's good. You should read IT, senator, your friends and on and whatever career you have.

Switch another one. And that's my advice. That's my end of the year.

Advice for our chests really have to switch on. Anyone make him all feel that the wise is happening. Just do the turn. Yeah, turn up.

Turn of the turn.

Woman, I just, we want to create the appearance of .

some competition. Yeah, yeah. I I really excited to go to A T. N .

no, i'm just thinking you like this.

I don't actually.

I just do whatever feels right. Heart, that's the very chest, everybody, that's my message. All this is whatever is your heart.

Do IT oh h speaking in the hot days, by the way. Yeah, how is spectacular coming up again? We've done H. T. I. We've done blue truth.

failed the jeopardy.

We did not do a good job of blue's rapidly this year by just popular demand, just wave of demand. The verge hast holiday vacuum is USB c. We ve got the guest lined up.

We got the ideas, we got the plug fast come in and we're gonna another game show this year because enter insists that was your game show. Um I believe it's the Price is right. And we would like to .

say that we're .

allow to say it's a game show that is not it's not the Prices, right?

I don't have a giant wheel.

We're going to up the anti this year. All of us are going be playing for one of you, a verge cast, listener. And whoever wins got a big bag of swag. So here's what we need from you.

Uh, call the hotline, eight, six, six, average one one and eight, six, six, eight, three, three, seven, four, three, one, one tells your name in your favorite U, S, B, C. gadget. We'll put all the names in a hat.

We'll pick him out, will play, will do IT. We're going to compete for you. Yeah, I will represent you. I X represent someone else to say. And then whoever wins gets a big bag of verge much.

I'm actually doing a lot of USB .

is actually this just has some verge much. So over the sun, verge much bag I have bad .

your person that .

I i've seen the merch. The merch is good. It's quality merch. So i'll be a good Price.

Are you prepping to to to help your your listener? Yeah yeah. Really not up. I'm gna know some spects. I'm gonna what oes mean?

She's got IT. I'm ready.

Let's go. I got you .

some high school level logical research. It's gonna amazing. No, that's that's about the U.

S. B, C. Holiday spectacular, one of silliest early traditions back and forced the USB.

C, tell us your favorite usc gait, eight, six, six, average. One, one will pick. Some people will play for them.

The winner get emerge. Not very good. Call the number. That's IT. That's a rochez, right?

And that's a rap for verge cast this week. Hey, we'd love to hear from you. Give us a call at eight, six, six verge one one.

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