Session 49: Finneas
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Today, we have, honestly, such an exciting guest. Phineas is here, who I'm such a major fan of, and it was such an honor and a pleasure to get to speak to him. But before we get into that, I just got back from Alex's birthday weekend in Key West. I have never been to Key West, and I also have never been to a Fat Tuesdays, so I did that for the first time as well, and it was fucking awesome. I had no idea Fat Tuesdays existed. It was...

Like, I love slushies, so slushies with alcohol at a bar setting with a DJ is just so ideal. But I had such a fun time celebrating Alex. Celebrating her was incredible and...

I am dead now, but it was worth it. I am seeing Billie Eilish and I'm so excited. It's very fitting. I know. Very fitting for my episode with Phineas this week. But that reminds me that today's episode is sponsored again by SeatGeek, my fucking queens. Use my code THERAPIST10 for 10% off your ticket. Doesn't matter if you've already purchased a ticket with SeatGeek before. There are so many incredible artists on tour and going on tour now as we go.

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Okay, can I say something? Sure. I know. It's like my favorite. It's my favorite part of myself. Do you have like a favorite part of yourself? Ooh, okay. This is a goofy like music person thing, but I got a wide hand. Oh, I don't think that's goofy at all. Playing piano, I got like a C to a...

D or an E. Wow. Yeah. Is that like learning another language, like learning how to play the piano and like all of those things? I think so. I mean, I don't know another language, so that's the only one I know. Okay. What language would you, if you could wake up and know a language, which one? Oh my God. Okay.

Because I want to be Italian. It's a pretty, like, I mean, I know it's called one of the romance languages, but it is romantic. What about you? Spanish. Okay. Okay. So I took Spanish all throughout high school. Yeah. So you know more than I do. But I almost failed out of it in college. Did you? Are you a Duolingo person or no? No. And actually, you want to know the reason why I almost failed out of Spanish in college? Because I saw Billy and your, you perform at Coachella in 2019. Oh, yeah.

How does that relate to you? Because I was supposed, I was supposed to do a project and I could have gone home that Sunday because it was, it was Sunday, right? Nope. It was Saturday and I could have, but I, but you know, so it was Ariana Grande. That was Sunday. Yes. There was, it was Sunday. Anywho. She was, she was great. Yeah. Yeah. Anywho. I do have a question for you. Okay. So you scored disclaimer. Yes. Okay. Okay.

I'm fascinated with like music sinks and like how you sync music. Is that, that and scoring two different things? Yeah. So, uh, a lot of music sinking like, Oh, this song is great. It's coming from two different places. One is a music supervisor whose job it is to find the perfect song for a scene. The other one is the filmmaker, right? Like they might write a song into a scene, right? They're just like, Oh man, I love this. Um, okay.

Like I just watched My Old Ass, that Aubrey Plaza movie. Me too. I loved it. So good. It kind of made me really sad though. It's a real, yeah, I got all choked up. Yeah. But I just use that as an example because there's like that Nelly Furtado song in that movie, whatever. And I don't know the backstory of that. Either Megan, the director was like, God, I love this song. I see this scene with this song over it.

Or the music supervisor. Was it Say It Right? Was that it? It was Promiscuous, right? Promiscuous Girl. It was? I think so. Or was it Say It Right? Anywho.

Anyway, so that's music supervisor filmmaker. Score is like just the actual instrumental composition happening. And you did that for Disclaimer? I did the score. So what was the process of that like? I mean, it was a real learning experience. It's not a thing I have a background in.

Something I've always loved, like to give you an example of like a TV show with score. I love like White Lotus is a show that has such memorable, cool. That's score. Or like Succession. Succession, another great example. Everybody loves Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. Anything that you're humming that isn't a song from somewhere else is the score of the show.

It's fascinating. So you watch the scenes and then you base. I read the script. Got it. And then wrote some pieces just kind of from inspiration of the script. Some of those made it in. Some of them didn't. Some of them were wrong. Because then once you see the scene, you're like, oh, this looks different than I pictured it in my head. Right. Let me write something to the picture. Oh.

And then, you know, it's a back and forth with the filmmaker, like anything where, you know, he goes, yeah, I like this part, but then it needs to, you know, climax in a different way and whatever else. And you had fun doing it. I did. It was pretty, like, challenging. Like, there was a kind of an ego death in it because you'd make a, like, a lot of what I do, I'm very much, like, in charge. Right, right. You know, I'm making my own album and I'm worrying about if I think it's ready or not. I don't know what your relationship with, like,

Do you have a boss? Does, does therapist have a boss? Does, does Jake Shane have a boss or is the audience the boss? I feel like the general public is the boss. So you make something, the audience is like, yeah, you have to do something different anyway. So, I mean, that's true of musicians, right? Like if Billy or I make an album and nobody likes it, that's kind of our boss. Right. Right. But at the end of the day in the studio, it's just me. So the difference is like making the music for this TV show, Alfonso, the director, uh,

is the boss. So I turn in this piece of music to him and he goes like,

It's not right. And you just kind of like throw it away. Right. Because they're not going to stop you from putting out an album. It's like you are your own boss in that sense. But in this case, you actually have to hire to participate in the thing. Do you ever feel like stunted creatively or did you ever was it more like you felt more guided or maybe both? I think there were instances of both. I mean, I really think Alfonso is like kind of a genius person. And so even when I didn't maybe understand what he was going for.

by the time I'd get to it, I'd be like, oh, I love this idea that he had. And then there were areas where I, you know, again, like your ego is like, but I'm so smart and my idea is great. You just have to kind of like let go of it. Oh, yeah. I don't think I could ever survive ego death. Do you act also? I do. Yeah.

know that? I just asked just now. I'm trying to. But there you go. That'll be your version of ego death. You come in with your great idea about the character and your great delivery and the director's like, I don't like the energy of that thing. You know what I mean? And you have to not take it personally. You have to not go, I'm bad. You have to go like, it's different. It's different than I thought it was. And do you see yourself now doing a lot more scoring in the future or would you like to? I'd like to do like

one at a time every once in a while when it's the right project like i think i'm gonna do one next year that i of course like they'll kill me if i talk about but i think i've found oh that's incredible yeah it'll be cool wait so like it's so for us a scorer is like the dream like a really memorable like kind of like so not like you know like with harry potter like oh my god game of thrones like is that the dream for someone scoring like they it's

It's what's the word? It's memorable. Yeah. Yeah. I know you're talking about. I mean, I think to me, the two things are like the project. If I read a script, I'm like, oh, this is cool. And I like the filmmaker from their other work.

that's like step one and then the step two is like if i am like oh i i think music will be important in this because sometimes it isn't you know what i mean i always feel like music i i like always my what makes a good show to me is like a really good soundtrack or listen i agree with you yeah i mean you this you you'd make a good composer because because you're aware of it already so there you go but i feel like that with um like producing other artists also like

Sometimes I'll work with an artist or I'll meet with an artist and I'll just be like, this person is amazing, but they don't need, like they don't need my help. Got it. They're so, they're so where they need to be. Right. And if they ask me to be a part of it, I might just say yes, because that sounds fun, but I'm not like, let me make your album because they're really good already. Like a person like that, that I can think of is that, you know, Olivia Dean. Yeah.

She's so great. Yeah. I heard her music and loved it and then got a chance to like meet her. And I told her, I was like, I don't think you need my help, but you're so great. And if you ever want to do something together, like I'm definitely...

and happy to. I think you're amazing. But it's like one of those cases where I don't necessarily go like, I'm the thing that's missing from your great album. Right. I'm just like, you're so good. And you don't need my... Exactly, yeah. Right, you don't want to like disrupt the vision almost. Exactly, yeah. Okay. And what... So speaking of producing and albums, you just came out with your own for Crying Out Loud. Yes. How long were you working on that for? That was pretty short. I started working on it in March. And the reason it was so quick was that...

I made it in a really like old school way. I just filled a room full of like friends of mine. Oh. It was like this room of people spitting out ideas and it was really fun. But it was like only three weeks of working and that was the whole album. Okay. And so how is that different from then the albums you and Billy made together? I think...

Billy and I sit alone in a room and work and it's pretty experimental and we kind of try everything and see what works and she works on something in a very first of all she's a better singer than I am and she's a better judge of singing than I am.

And so like, I'll record like seven takes of a song and I'll be like, well, I don't love the sound of my own voice. How are you at the sound of your own voice? I hate it. So funny you mentioned that because today I was like, I hate this. I was talking about how much I hate the sound of my own voice when I have to watch these episodes back. Yeah.

I put it on like a two X speed. So like, because that makes it more bearable. Like it, it just goes by quicker. And like, I don't want to hear like the idea of hating the sound of your voice in normal speed, but letting it sound like this is crazy because I'm like, Oh, I'll finish what I have to say. Sure. That makes sense. But I hate, you just hate the timbre or do you hate, like sometimes I hate the words I repeat all the time. Oh,

I'm a big, I say like all the time. Oh, I say right, right? I say you know a lot. And when I watch a clip back that I have to approve, I'm aggravated by my speech pattern. Oh, I said like too many times. Like is just a part of the English language at this point. So true. Well, I mean, it literally is. But it really is like, like. You know what I mean? It's like, like.

It's just like, you know. So you're not wearing headphones right now. No. And I'm not wearing headphones right now, and I prefer that because I would get distracted by hearing my own voice. Okay, so funny you mentioned that. I started the first episode I ever did of this. I had headphones on. I took them off halfway because I was like, this is fucked. Too distracted. Yeah. Yeah, even just the little mouth noises, whatever it is, I'm kind of annoyed by it.

But when you're recording a song, you have to hear yourself back. I do one can on, one off. Oh, okay. But I'm more listening to the music. Got it. Or my own pitch. Like pitch is very different than –

I'm like trying to sing on pitch. Okay. Okay. How long have you been like singing and making music for? I started singing. I mean, I was saying a lot as a kid in a bad, just like around the house singing along to like the all American rejects kind of way. Oh, dirty little secret. Dirty little secret. It ends tonight. Um, yes. Um,

And then I was in a choir when I was like 12 that there's a choir in LA called the LA Children's Chorus. Oh, wait. Why do I know what that is? Do you like know some kids that were in it? No, I just, I feel like they always perform with like a big celebrity every few years. Sounds correct. Yeah. And they wear like red sweater vests. Yeah. Yeah. It's really old school. They really are. They care a lot about their, their prestigious. They want to be really good. Okay. And so it's fun to be in because they're strict and they make sure that you are, you know, really do your homework. Yeah.

So we did that through high school. Billy was also in that choir. Oh, I didn't know that. We had a lot of love for them. Did you guys... Wait, what's your age gap? Four years. Four years. So you guys were... There was a time when you were in that together. My voice had... There was... At the time, I think it's changed now, but at the time, once your voice changes as a guy, you go to an ensemble of...

Of men Okay With deeper voices Understood So I was never My voice changed by the time Billy was in the choir Okay So I was like ah I'm in the other one Right But it would have been really cute That would have been cute And fun And then you guys started working together Obviously When she was 13 And I was like 18 Yeah

Wow. Yeah. And she's always had a great voice and to my knowledge, never had like a problem with hearing her own voice, which must be the case. I mean, if you're Ariana Grande or Billie or Beyonce, you must love it. Right. You must put a headphone on and go, I sound so good. Like, I wonder what that's like. My dream has always been like, I wish I could sing like good. Like, you know what I mean? Like I wish a couple of lessons away, dude. Okay. Do you actually believe that singing lessons work? Absolutely. I mean, listen, I'm not,

I don't think I'm ever going to sound like Beyonce. Totally. Or Josh Groban or something. But I'm much better for a couple singing lessons. What do they do for you? You have like a personal training. I feel like I always see you with like, I feel like this is a whole internet thing of you and Tate McRae and Glenn Powell. Wait, you're knowing about my stuff? You're famous. Literally? Clip that.

fucking clip that. Do you forget that? Is that like when you're out at the Bristol Farms or whatever, are you forgetting that people, that you have a lot of views on your stuff? I just, my best friends now are my best friends before, so I don't think they like let me realize because if I did...

Oh my God. Yeah. Period. You haven't let it change. You haven't let it change you yet. You haven't become friends with only celebrities. No, I know my, like I still have my, I live with my best friends. They're on the house right now. You're at the soul cycle with Glenn Powell and Tate McGrath. What is it? It's not soul cycle. It's aloe. Aloe. You ever been?

To Aloe? Yeah. I was at, I don't, Aloe seems to be, from the two visits I've spent at Aloe, a Soho house. It seems to be. Yes, it's a Soho house for jams. It seems to be like I went one time to record. There was a studio at Aloe. Yeah, Benny Blanco Studios down there. I went at another time to see a movie. There's a movie theater at Aloe. I've never ever done a crunch at Aloe.

Do you want to do it together? Sure. Really? Yeah. It's fun. I did it this morning. I'm going to use you to get to Glenn Powell. Okay. I don't think you'll need me to get to Glenn Powell, but... How do we get to talking about this? I don't know. Oh, vocal lesson. When you work out with a trainer, you go harder. Yes. Right? I actually, since I was a kid, I can't work out. This sounds horrible without someone telling me what to do. I think that that's very common. I can't. I don't think you're alone in that. I can't do it. I used to do like...

Soul cycle when I was in seventh grade because I was like I need to work out somehow and I can't does that reflect in any other areas of your life with like work or like discipline or something where somebody you like somebody barking at you. I need someone telling me what to do, which is weird because I am my own boss in a sense, but like self-starter you created this or whatever else like but I I think I created it without thinking like like I don't know like I need like I need people to tell me what to do or I'm not going to do it. It was like

But I can. I can be my own boss. It was kind of like that way with homework in high school. At first, I was like, I can't do this. But you liked the deadlines and whatever else. But then when I realized I had to get into college, I was like, oh, so now I think I need an extra... Where did you go to college? USC. Full four? Full four. How was it? It was really, really fun for the first two years. The best time ever. I was like the Kappa sweetheart or the Kappa key man.

You know? What did you major in? Public relations. Oh, PR. Yeah. And so like I, I, um, I had a lot of fun the first two years. Then COVID hit.

COVID hit at the end of my sophomore year, right when I was like, am I having fun anymore? Because like I used to like my whole life was like going out. Like that was my whole life. So that got taken away. Yeah. But also like right as it got taken away, I was feeling like I wasn't down anymore. Sure. Okay. So I was like, okay. And then junior year started. We were all on campus or off campus living, but we weren't going out because it was COVID. Yeah.

But I was working at a record label at the time. I just fell in love with it. And I fell in love with like the music industry and the music business. And then I became, that's kind of like what my last two years of college became encompassed by. That's so cool. You grew up in LA? Well, I was born in LA, grew up in New York, but I summered here. My parents now live here. I think close to where you grew up. You grew up in Pasadena. Highland Park. Highland.

But same deal. I love that whole trifecta of like New York, Pasadena, Highland Park. Right, right. I think that's a great area. Do your parents still live there? Parents still live in Highland Park, yeah. That is, yeah, that is a trifecta, right? I wasn't like so far off. No, no, they're right there. Okay, right. Yeah, they're right next to each other. Pasadena has an Erewhon now. Pasadena, I mean, Pasadena has an Erewhon. Highland Park has a La Labo. Shut the fuck up. Highland Park has a Jenny's. No way. It has a Mendocino Farms. You like Mendocino Farms? I actually love it.

I don't know why I can't get behind it. Sure. I'm vegetarian, so it's... How long have you been vegetarian for? My whole life. Your whole life. You've never had meat? No. Ever? Yeah. Billy, same? Same. And we know it looks good. We're not like, that looks gross. We just do it because we care about animals. No, no, no, no, no. 100%. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's all that it's cracked up to be. Meat. Yeah. Sure. Like... When you've never had it, you don't miss it. And like, you don't get the meat sweats. Yeah.

that's true that's true you don't like no friends of mine have like after you know some form of sushi or some form of like fast food they have that bad day the next day i have less of those than my okay than my pals right and you must feel i mean yeah you know what i had the other day what that i fully endorse i am part of my tiktok algorithm is the the baked potato guys in england do you see these

He sees them. What are they called? Spud Brothers? Spud Man. Spud Man? Okay, so it's a food truck in England. It's the most English shit ever. It's a guy with a GoPro. Okay. It's so cold. Everything is like steaming to show you how cold it is, right? Ooh, love that. And they're called jacket potatoes, which America, baked potato. Right, okay. But because it's England, they're putting baked beans all over their baked potato. They're putting cheese. They're putting, not in my case, but in other cases, they're putting some tuna on the side. They're putting...

That is fucking despicable. Anyway, but the videos are like a gruff guy taking this potato that looks like it would burn the skin off of your hands. It's so hot. Putting the hottest beans all over it. And it's all in England, so it's so cold. And the guy outside of the food truck that's ordering is always got his breath is steaming. And he's like, what are you having today? And the guy's like, I'll just take some beans and cheese. It's so English. But I see them at like three in the morning in bed, and I'm like, that looks so fucking good.

Like, it does make me want to eat it. Anyway, there is one in L.A. now called Spud Guy L.A. And so I went to the parking lot that it's in the other day. And so you got it finally. What were your toppings? I got beans and cheese and chives and cilantro and sour cream and like garlic butter or something. Oh my God, it was so good. Are you British? No. No?

10, 15 minutes into the podcast in my American accent. Are you? No, but like, is your like, are your ancestries like. So are yours. No, but like, but like, are you like, if you're like, where's your family from? Like British? Irish. I knew it. Okay. Speaking of Irish, Irish things and Irish people, have you seen that new show Say Nothing?

No. Who's on it? What's the deal? It's on Hulu. Okay. Hulu's having a moment. Such a fucking moment. Yeah. What did I just watch on Hulu? I know this is technically FX, but I watched it on Hulu, but I love the English t-shirts. Cheers. With our feet. Actually, guess what Say Nothing's on? FX. FX. So, yeah. It's about, I think, I could be totally wrong. Louise, can you fact check me? I think it's about...

the first woman in like the Irish Republic Army. Yeah. Period. Nailed it. And you like it. So I did fall asleep. I did fall asleep, but I always fall asleep. So that doesn't, that's like not a thing. Like I always fall asleep while I'm watching a show and I know that if I watch it, like I will love it. Do you go back or do you just like roll with whatever you missed? No, I go back. Okay. What are you watching right now, speaking of? I'm watching like movies. Oh, okay. One of the...

One of the perks of being in the Academy of like when you are nominated for an Oscar, you win an Oscar. Oh, you get movies in advance. You get an app that has like every movie.

Shut the fuck up. It's on your Apple TV. It's insane. So you've seen The Substance? I haven't because that looks gross. But Claudia, my partner, has seen The Substance. And she said it was gross. Wait, but is what she said it was good? She mainly said it was gross. It seems really gross. So what movies have you seen recently that you're like, I love that? Just watched Saturday Night. How was? Really fun. Okay. Really interesting. Just watched The Last Showgirl.

I'm desperate to see that. How was? I found it very well done. I thought it was beautifully shot, beautifully acted. I thought Pamela Anderson was pretty spectacular in it. How was the Miley song in it? Doesn't she have a song in there? She does. I mean, it's like a credits. Okay, got it, got it, got it. It plays over the last 20 seconds, and then it plays into the credits. It's great. Andrew Wyatt, who composed the score for Barbie with Mark Ronson, Andrew Wyatt scored...

Last Showgirl, and I thought he did a great job. I'm really excited to see it. Yeah. But are you watching any TV? I'm a big TV guy. I just watched English Teacher, which I loved, and then I never watched Freaks and Geeks. Neither have I. Okay, it's great. I'm in the middle of that right now. Funny? Really funny, really sweet. You know, it's like all those...

Stars of the 2000s, but when they were in high school in the 90s, right? It's like Jason Segel and Linda Cardellini and Busy Phillips. And it's really... Claire Danes is in it, no? No. Yes? I don't think so. What is she in? She's not in Freaks and Geeks. She's in... Romeo and Juliet? No. Yes. Yeah. Is she? Yes. I'll just... She... It's really great. It's really great.

I think you, I have a feeling from the wash on the jeans you're wearing that you'd really fuck with Freaks and Geeks. Oh, is it like giving 90s? Yeah. Okay. But Freaks and Geeks doesn't even take place in the 90s. It takes place in like the... 80s? It's like 79 or 80. Yeah, it's really good. Okay, speaking of Claudia quickly, I watched your music video for Crying Out Loud. Incredible. That's not the first time you've worked with Claudia. No, I had her come to...

Yeah, in 2022, I put out a song about her as a kind of a cash front. I was like, hey, why don't you come visit me on tour in Paris and shoot a music video for me? Just kind of like...

had the label give her money to come and have a vacation with me in Paris. And she did film it. Great. Yeah. And, but what's it like working with your partner? Well, she's great. I mean, I saw a Sabrina Carpenter interview where she was like, she was like, yeah, I mean really, I just was like, who's, who's a really talented actor I know. And I was near one. Yeah. Which I think that's how I feel. Like it's less about like, I got to have my girlfriend in this and more about being like, Oh, she's so good. She's going to be great in this video. Oh,

Oh. So it was really fun. And is it like fun on set to like. I'm no fun on set. Okay. What do you like on set? I can't wait to go home. Okay. Yeah. I'm so miserable on a set. Why? I can't believe everything takes so. You are so fucking hydrated. Yeah. So true. It's awesome. You're so caffeinated. I know. I know. I know. I can't wait to go home. I'm. I'm. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's. Let

That's kind of the underlying thing making me in a bad mood. Okay. Because then I'm like... So then you project. So I project. Okay. So, you know, that's what's really going on. Everything's always going wrong on a... Especially a music video set, everything's going wrong. The lighting equipment is fucked up or the... You know, there's too much cloud cover. You need the sun to come out for the shot. It's a lot of waiting around and waiting and waiting. I hate waiting. Do you also think that...

because when you're projecting, you're finding other issues on the set. It's all internal. It's all my own insecurities and issues. I also, I'm very insecure, like the most insecure ever. And everyone around me will know when I'm insecure. So this actually happens every day, but I'll find a battle to fight. I'll pick a battle, I'll pick a fight, and that'll be where I'll direct my insecurity for the day. Sure.

But I think the first step for us is recognizing that. Yeah. WAP, we have a problem. With an H. WAP. Yeah, WAP. Yeah, so I, but again, I want to be clear. What I'm not doing on a set is yelling at anybody or giving anybody a hard time. Right. I'm sitting in a corner, like, unhappy. Are you introverted? I think I'm a extroverted introvert or I'm one of those flip, introverted extrovert or extroverted introvert. One of those. Uh-huh. What's your star sign? Leo. Leo.

What's yours? Scorpio. Okay. Leos are not usually introverted. I am not. I don't think I would be described as introverted. Okay. I think I'm extroverted. Okay. Well, what are you therapist about today? When you have a gathering and somebody brings a plus one that they didn't run by you at all. That is so rude. How do you handle that in the moment? The only way to handle it is to be like, oh.

Like, so nice to meet you. But I'm always pissed off about it. And I do, I am like, like I am like logging that for next time. Right. And they're either not invited or they're like invited with scrutiny. You don't say anything. I would, I would text them after and be like, or I would have like a friend text them. I'd have a messenger. You'd have a friend text them. Yeah. Petty. I know. Uh,

Yeah, but that bums me out. I don't really care. If somebody says, hey, can I bring a friend to this? Especially if they don't know any of the other people I invited. I'm like, yeah, of course. Are you a big gathering hoster person? I'm a small gathering hoster. I like a small gathering. And so it's like, how does that look? Dinner parties? Yeah, I have some people over for something. I'm not a big game person. Do you like games? I don't love them. I don't love. I like Monopoly. You like a real game. Yeah, I don't love. Paranoia.

fishbowl or something like that. Oh, I fucking love fishbowl. You don't like fishbowl? Fishbowl is fun. Fishbowl only works. You're also good at fishbowl is what I'm gathering from this. People that are good at fishbowl. Why do you say I'm good at fishbowl? Because you love it. Oh, okay. I like fishbowl too and I'm good at fishbowl. But fishbowl only works when you are with people that you know. You pick the most random person in your life and it's like an inside joke.

It is good. You point at somebody and you're like, ugly suit, and they know exactly who you're talking about. But it doesn't work with people you don't know. True. Unless you just do celebrities. Good at it, I feel like you can be quick with it, which is fun. Maybe I'm not good at it. But anyway, yeah, like the random, like I like the part, I don't really make a party that I'm hosting around a game. When I go to somebody else's party and you're hanging out and you're having like a snack or

And you're having a good conversation and some fucking person is like, okay, is there a way to play a game? Yeah. Motherfucker. I should go sit down and shut up while they explain the rules to something. It's giving housewives. You watch housewives? I don't. Is it good? Holy fuck. It's a whole genre, right? Talk about an infamous score. It's not like one show with one group of people, right? It's like this person, this group of housewives and this group of, right? It's a whole thing. It's like you watch Marvel.

I've seen some, I've seen some. So it's like the Marvel cinematic universe for housewives. Sure, sure, sure. So you have, okay, so, okay. Are you down for me to explain this to you? Yeah, of course. You've never had this explained to you before. Nobody with so much vim and vigor. Okay, totally. It's on the network Bravo, right? Okay, I know about Bravo. Like the, the Supreme, you ever watch American Horror Story Coven?

I'm not in, as much as I was once a part of the Ryan Murphy cinematic universe, I have not watched the Ryan Murphy cinematic universe. Cool, so there's like a supreme witch. The supreme of Bravo is Andy Cohen. Okay, I was just on Andy Cohen. Okay. And so was some housewife. Which one? I don't remember. Come on. She made a blanket. She made like a hoodie or something and gave it to me. She was very sweet.

Did she talk? Wait, how'd she talk? They all talk like that. No. What show was she on? Was it Salt Lake? Can you Google this? Oh, no. Can someone Google this? It was me and Cooper Coach or whatever. I saw this interview. Okay. All right. So where was the housewife? She was bartending.

That's the Andy Cohen way. They make somebody bartend. Okay. I bartended once. That must've been fun. It was fun. Were you shook at how small that room is? Yes. It's the size of this. It's the size of this. It's this room with eight people in the audience. I don't know how, I mean, he must film, he must film so many in a day. He must film so many in a day. I, I will say that after doing that,

Listen, I've had a really fortunate career. I've been in some rooms. And after doing that, a certain group of people, moms of friends of mine, were like, I saw you on Andy Cohen. They were like, I'd finally made it in their eyes. And I was like...

Two Oscars. We have one and two. But Andy Cohen was the one that they cared about. Are Oscars heavy? They're awesome. I should have brought it for you. Stop! That would have been insane if I showed up with an Oscar. But come on over any time and pick it up and make a speech. Come over for one of your small gatherings? Yeah, absolutely. No games. No games. Small gathering. I'll do an Oscar speech. Yeah, they're great. And you know what? I'll take it really fucking seriously. Okay.

I bet you'd kill. I bet you could choke yourself up. Oh, for sure. I bet you could talk about your parents believing in you or something. For sure. Did your parents believe in you? Yes, yeah. They always believed. They're hard on me. What do your parents do? My mom's a journalist. Cute. And my dad's a screenwriter. Oh, nice. Yeah. Did you ever watch like Switching Goals, Model Behavior? No, but he wrote those. Yes. Exciting. Smart House. He wrote Smart House. I hear about Smart House. And then not.

You know Smart House? Yeah. He doesn't know. He didn't know Hannah Montana. Did your dad write Hannah Montana? No, but like he doesn't know Hannah Montana. At all? Not really, no. That's okay. Yeah, just wasn't my thing. I was around. I was, I'm, Spongebob, although an enormous effigy, was not a part of my childhood. Like we didn't have the channels. So funny you say that. Spongebob was playing as my mom gave birth. What?

My dad loves it. Are you an only child? No, and you are like the millionth person to ask me that. I only ask because SpongeBob was playing while your parents were giving birth, and was that just they loved it, or was there another kid in the room? I think it was just like on the TV in the hospital or something. Okay, got it. I also totally could be lying. Sometimes I take things that my parents say and like just run with it. Are you a younger or older? Older. Cool. You're 24? 25, thank you. Okay. 25 and...

My brother is 21. He's about to turn 22. What's he into? He's a big history buff. Okay. And I like history too, kind of. I do. What got you excited about history? I find history fascinating when it's like a mystery. Okay, okay, cool. I love unexplained. Like the Lindbergh baby. Sorry?

Drop like a little, like a Bravo scrawl on the bottom of the. Oh, I didn't even explain to you the housewives. There we go. I still would like to do it. Please. Okay. Here we go. You have Andy Cohen.

So he is in charge of all these different franchises of housewives, right? So it starts off – He's in charge? Yeah. No, he's in charge. He's the boss. He's the boss. Okay. And it started off with the Real Housewives of Orange County, right? That was the first housewives franchise to ever exist. It became successful. Then there was New York, New Jersey. Then you had Atlanta. Utah. I know there's Utah. Salt Lake. That's the – Salt Lake is like –

The new baby that's like revived the housewives. Like, you can't even fucking imagine what goes down on that fucking show. Someone got arrested by the FBI on camera. Awesome. On camera. And she ran. She ran. On camera. Like, Salt Lake City is the pinnacle of reality television right now. And...

Do you watch reality TV ever? No. I watched Extreme Home Makeover growing up. Ty Pennington. Loved it. I watched... My mom liked Wife Swap. You ever watch Wife Swap? No, I've never seen Wife Swap. Is that the one where it's like, they aren't Christian? Wife Swap was like literally just like the moms would trade families. Yeah, so they aren't Christian. You know what I'm talking about? Like...

Yeah. Wife Swap is an insane premise. Do you ever watch Survivor? A little bit. You strike me as someone who would love Survivor. Billy likes Survivor a lot. Really? Yeah. Is it that good? I used to watch Endurance as a kid. I've never seen Survivor, yeah. Oh. But Billy loves it. Okay. Anytime anybody loves something, I try not to knock it without knowing about it.

You're better than me. If I educate myself and think it sucks, I'll knock it all day long. But if I really don't know anything about, like, I don't know anything about the housewife world. So I was like, why would I look down on somebody who loves something that I know nothing about? I'm seriously telling you, like, some of the greatest minds in the world love housewives. I know that to be true. Rihanna, obsessed with housewives. Jennifer Lawrence, obsessed with housewives. It's so good.

I mean, the fact that it's real is insane. I know that it's like... It's real, and it's also like they all come in with, like, storylines about each other. Right. Like, they're all trying to expose each other's real life. Because, like, that's the game for them. It's like, this is our job. Like, we're creating storylines, but we're... It's, like, so immoral, almost. Like, we're creating storylines out of everyone else's life. How do you get yourself on... Like, how does a housewife... How is it born? Okay. So...

There's multiple segues into becoming a housewife. So Andy could be casting for a new show in a new city and he could have like one person help cast him. So for example, when he was casting Real Housewives of New York City back in the day, Jill Zarin helped cast the entire show. Like she helped him like pick who was going to be on it. And then also...

When they're introducing someone as like maybe a castmate, they're going to be a friend of. So that's a friend of the housewife. That's going to appear on the episode, like stir some shit up and see how it lands with audiences. And if people are like, oh, I'm obsessed, then they're going to be a recurring character. Wow. That's crazy. No, it's like so. It's Marvel for housewives.

How did you get into it? And is there a friend that you watch it with? Is it once a week? What's the... Are you like... Now there's three different Housewives shows. You have to keep up with all of them. Like, how do they... Is it like sports? Where it's like, all right, it's baseball season. It's sports. It's Salt Lake Housewives season. All right, that's kind of like... They're on hiatus. Now it's Florida Housewives season. Look at you using all the terms. No, because like us Bravo girls, like we say like, oh, they're on hiatus. But like...

But like right now it's Beverly Hills season and Salt Lake season. Okay. Which are my two favorites. Nice. So it's a good time to be. Beverly Hills is fucking lit right now because people are going through divorces. There's new castmates like it's. And then Salt Lake's also really good right now just because Salt Lake's never bad.

Salt Lake is like, there's certain housewives that like you, they know their fucking job. Like they know what they're supposed to do and they come in for blood. Uh-huh. And that's like Salt Lake. If I were you, I would start with Salt Lake. Have you spent any time in Salt Lake? Never. You should go. Have you? You should immerse yourself. My cousins growing up lived in Salt Lake. They're not Mormon, but they lived in Salt Lake. And then-

So I'd go as a kid, and then I've been on tour a bunch of times and just hung out there for a couple days. But you should go. Well, speaking of tour, what a gorgeous segue. How was your tour, by the way? How do you know that? Jake's life.

Is public information. It is easy to find info, whether you mean to or not. It's easy to see stuff about Jake, Shane online. Yes. My tour was amazing. I'm so glad. It was amazing. How long? It was 21 cities. That's a lot. It was a lot. And it turned into a very stand-up-y routine. Fun. So that, I think, is my calling. Right. You got proud of it. You get big laughs. But I was doing the stand-up pace. Yeah, yeah. You know, like you're walking, but like...

Did you do interviews on stage or no? Occasionally. Got it. Occasionally. It was like just you and questions from the audience. Well, so we have this thing on the screen that says tell me what's wrong and audience members scan and they tell us what's wrong. That's cute. And then it's a crowd. That's like my crowd work section. So I'll go back and forth and I do like no phones for that. So people can stand up if they like have something crazy to say and like we'll go back and forth about it. Were any cities...

audiences particularly rowdy? Were there any that got out of control? Never out of control. Well, I did have a few times where there was hecklers. And I understand that's the territory with comedy, but I really need to work on not letting it phase me. Or really hitting them back. I know. I think you're...

and acuity is that you should hit them back. That's my feeling about you. I feel so good about myself right now. Cool. Yeah.

But that's what I think. I think you are judgmental in a good way. Oh, thank you. I think you're quick. I think if somebody heckles you, you could take them down. Well, like somebody asked me, like, who's the special guest? As the show was winding down and I said, me, bitch. And then everyone cheered. So, like, that was, like, my one good moment with the hecklers. But then, like, other than that, I'm really bad at it. But even that isn't a takedown of them. Do you know what I mean? Right. Right.

A takedown of them would be like, do you think it's you? Nobody knows who you are. That would be... If you wanted to go meaner, more personal. Have you ever had a horrible experience with hecklers at a show? No, not really. But again, I'm just singing songs. It's a totally different...

audiences expect that kind of thing. Do you know what I mean? From a, from a, from a, anything with comedy. Right. Yeah. Where they're like, I'm going to try to be funny also. I mean, I went to a friend's show not that long ago and it was like what I'm, I haven't seen your show, but I, I assume a similar format or it was like talking and telling stories. Yes. Yes. It would love story time.

And sometimes the audience would have the floor. And I was very struck by like how much funnier most people think they are than they are. Right. You know what I mean? They'd tell a story and you'd feel the rest of the audience like lost. Like they'd be like, mm-hmm.

but then it's the comedian's job on there to be like, all right, all right, all right. Yeah. So like some stuff I learned on the tour was like, when someone's speaking to you, you have to repeat everything. So they said, but you have to hear it, but not only do you have to repeat it, you have to repeat it with like a certain comedic tone. So that, so that it's interesting. Nice. Um, but yeah, I love, so this went super well. We're, we're routing for, um,

Next year. We are. That's awesome. I think we're doing a few dates in what? UK? UK. Ireland. Hey. How long was... I have a jacket potato. How long was the... So it's 21 dates over the span of... A month. That's a lot of dates in a month. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. It was a lot. It was really, really fun though. Are you excited for your tour? I'm super excited. I mean, I'm like...

I always have like so much fun on tour and I get sick at some point and I get so tired at some point. So those are the three things I'm like preparing for all three of those things. Are you busing? We're doing Australia first, which is fly dates. Okay. Because you have to fly around Australia. It's too big. Yeah, it's huge. And then we're doing bus in America, probably bus in Europe. I heard the buses in Europe are like double decker. Double decker. Yeah. They're awesome. Why are they so big there?

Like, why are they so popular? No, like, why are they, the buses so, like, physically big there? They're barely bigger. They just are formatted to be double-decker. Interesting. Yeah. The coolest part of a double-decker bus is that there's a lounge above the driver, which

So you have like a front window. Oh, how cool. Which is really beautiful. So you can watch. So you can, yeah, because the only other way you could do that is like to peek in with the driver and interrupt whatever they're doing, you know, a podcast or they're listening to. So this is like you're upstairs and there's a whole little lounge to sit down in and look at the road in front of you. It's very sweet. Oh, wow. And driving through Europe is prettier than driving through the United States. Of course. Always. Always. Unless you're like...

driving by the Grand Canyon or something. Are you excited for tour? Are you anxious? I'm super excited. I'm not a great traveler. Okay. Neither am I, but why are you? I don't know. I'm very temperamental. Like I feel like I, first of all, I break out constantly from anything. I break out from like, yeah, you know, I wake up half an hour too early. I break out. Right. Um, but so like flying always breaks me out and makes me feel bad. I'm, I'm bad with jet lag. Um,

But other than those things... And I like routine. I like, you know, the same goofy coffee shop every day. Yeah. Always. That kind of, like, being in a city where I'm, like, on an app trying to find something. A salad. Exactly. So I've now toured the...

parts of the world so many times that I have like places I like. So that makes it better. Like in Australia, I have like a place I like to eat and get coffee, like all in all the places. Right. So that makes me kind of like, Oh, I'm more familiar with it. But going to new places gives me anxiety. And are you, how is not, this is your first time not touring with Billy? Yeah. And how's that been? It's been very bittersweet. I mean, I only decided to do it

Because I knew that I couldn't be in two places at once. I was like, I can't do my own tours and do her tours at the same time. And I don't want to prevent her from touring as much as she wants to tour.

And then the sweet part has just been like, I've seen the show a few times and it's amazing. Like I just think her show is like incredible. It's, it's, it doesn't suffer at all because I'm not there. Right. She's great. And I, I've, I've come out, done like a song or two, but it's, I really just think she's doing like the best show she's ever done. So that's lovely. And do you guys check in with each other every day? I call her constantly. Right. Yeah. You know, a lot of the time she's just kind of,

being an athlete and resting and doing physical therapy and stuff like that. So I just make sure she's doing okay. I've always said...

like leading up to it and then since she left I've always been like you ever need some company like I'll jump out and you know just come hang out with you and keep your company on the road. But the show is so good and she has like a couple of her friends are singing in the show now. Oh awesome. So she's not alone. No. She likes her band. Amazing. I think she's having a really good time. Oh that's awesome. Yeah it's very sweet. Oh I'm excited to see the show. I see it. Are you going to come to December? Yeah I'm coming in December. Yeah let me know. I'll hook it up. Oh. Come to whatever one you want. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm so excited. It's so good. I'm pumped. I'm really, really excited. Yeah, she's in the round, which is when you play the middle of the arena. Harry Styles did that. U2 has always done that. And I think it's the best show to see in an arena as an audience member because no matter where you are, you're very close. If you're in a classic rectangular arena and they're way over on one side. You can't see. Either you're on the side and they're facing like,

Right. Or you're really far away. And when they're in the center, like every person is like right there. It's really exciting. I know this is kind of random, but do you have like a favorite show you've ever played? Great question. The two kinds of shows that I find are memorable. I don't know if this relates to your experience touring or not, but the two that are memorable are like really unusual or really bad. Okay.

Tell me more. Because those are memorable because you have to work. Okay. When everything goes well and you're doing your show and you're playing your song and your voice feels good and you don't trip, you finish and you're like, ah, I did it. Right. You know what I mean? It's very calm. The shows where your equipment doesn't work, your microphone is fucked up, it doesn't sound very good, the audience is disinterested, those are very memorable because you're really fighting. You're really like...

in the moment on stage, like working through it. You know what I find so fascinating that you say that is because when you said you're on set for a music video, you hate when things go wrong. But then when you're on stage, I also hate when things go wrong. It's just memorable. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. You just remember it because you're working so hard. Right. But, uh, so like, for example, like one show that's very memorable that I ended up loving was we played red rocks with Billy, which is that beautiful Colorado, uh,

But it was like raining a little bit. So our stage was really slippery. And you could see like lightning a couple times. And oftentimes they won't even let you play when it's raining outside because they don't want the audience to get struck by lightning. But I guess it was far enough away that it wasn't a big deal or something. You know what I mean? Like they always tell you like, okay, we're waiting 20 minutes. Okay, you can go on. But that was a very memorable show. But partially because it was kind of stressful and intense. You love being on stage? Or no? Yeah, I definitely am like...

I'm definitely like working up there. Yeah. I'm not in like a flow state. I think, yeah. What about you? I love it. Oh, that's great. I love it. I would say like my favorite shows are the ones where I feel like usually it's the show that I would never expect to be like. Memorable and fun. Like we were in Toronto. Always great. Oh, and I had gone out the night before for my podcast.

I made a thing, like, I drank on stage. It was, like, part of my bit. But, like, I never partied. I just didn't party on tour. And I partied the night before hard. Like, and I was so dead. And I got up on stage and the crowd, like, revived me completely.

And that's the best. And it was like, it was like the, and I went completely off script off book, which changed the rest of my entire tour and doubled my set length. So like, it was like, it was just amazing. It was, I love being on stage and,

Except I hate when I, when a joke misses. Bad feeling. Oh my God. Like it makes me want to crawl inside of my own skin. But my thing, my saving grace that I usually pull is I acknowledge that it missed. Sure. Because like self-deprecation is key. Right. And, um.

That's, you know. Do you go do like open mics or comedy store sets or anything? Does that appeal to you or no? It appeals. I'm too scared. I'm really, really anxious. I don't think I could do it. It seems really hard. Yeah. You know who's so good at that? Marcelo Hernandez. Yeah. Very funny. He is like comedy's brightest star. He's really good. Have you seen him do a stand-up set? I've seen him do stand-up sets online, but not.

Oh, you gotta go see him. Your life, he could just stand up there for three hours. Just so funny. Yeah. And like, I do need like certain stories that I know I'm going to tell. But I think as time goes on and I collect stories, like I'll feel more comfortable just pulling and pulling and pulling and pulling.

I mean, seeing good stand-up is like one of the most fun things to see. And seeing bad stand-up is excruciating. It's excruciating. You almost always see both if you got to see comedy. It's crazy. Yeah, because there's like a... Somebody on the night is bombing and somebody's unbelievable. And you see both. It's very crazy. Do you have a favorite stand-up comedian? Julio Torres. Oh. Really funny. Okay. Oh my gosh. Crazy, weird, funny. I'll check him out. Yeah. You know who else I love? Do you watch Hacks? Yeah. Yeah.

That's my favorite show. Hannah Eyebinder is fantastic. That show is getting better and better. Yeah. Like the first season was really good and then the second season was like way better. Have you seen the third? I have seen half of the third. Oh. Even better. My fucking God. The finale of the third. Louise, back me up here. Will change your fucking life. It's really a good show. You want to get into the tell me what's wrongs? Please. Okay.

You know about the tell me what's wrongs? I've seen this, but why don't you explain it to me so I really... The pussy is right in. Sure. And they tell us like... How did this whole pussy thing begin? Well, I know you don't eat meat or seafood, but I eat octopus. Okay. I know it feels like cannibalism now. It's kind of become this like separate thing for me, but... What does that mean? Like it's like become like less about eating them and more about appreciating them, I think. Okay. Like I think...

I think that's what it's becoming. So is eating them part of appreciating them? It was. So basically, my account started as an octopus review thing. So,

Pass That Puss. So Pass That Puss is about octopus. Yes. I see. And I would rate the octopus out of eight tentacles and I called my followers, I called my followers pussies. Sure. And I say, tense up, like your tentacles up. Tense up is insane. Yeah. These are amazing. Well, it's me and my friend Drew, we,

We always ate octopus together and Drew and I would always text each other when we had it, puss. Like we would take a photo of it and text and say, puss. I really, yeah, although I don't eat octopus, I enjoy the nomadclature you've developed. Thank you. And it just kind of, and when I was, so basically as I was, when I told you I was working at this record label my junior year, I took my

My senior year off. Cause like. Just to eat octopus. No, because like, they were like, you need to finish college. Got it. Um, cause I wanted to drop out and work there full time. They were like, no, please finish college. And, um, I was finishing college, but I was bored. So I started this past that plus account. And then, um, it was started as like photos with reviews. And then, um,

I started like doing like song. Oh my God. I started doing song lyrics and like putting puss and tense in the song lyrics. So I actually did one with happier than ever once. Nice. You call me again, puss in your tents. I felt like I was starting to understand everything and puss in your tents. It doesn't make sense. Made me feel like I know nothing. No, it doesn't make sense. But do you remember when I used to do that? Puss in your tents is insane. Well, people loved it.

Sue me. Okay. Now I know everything. Yes. Oh, the pussies write in and they tell us what's wrong and we give them advice and we prescribe them a remedy. I see. I'm getting cyber bullied by my grandmother. Nice. She keeps on commenting stuff on my public Instagram and I don't think she understands that everyone can see it. Like I could just delete it all, but it's already a joke at my school. It's embarrassing. How do I get her to stop?

Well, I assume they don't have an example to include, but it only sounds funny to me. Right. Like, I can't think of slams that your granny could hit you with that aren't so funny. 100%. And so to me, it's less about having her stop, which will happen eventually. It's more about... It's more about...

Just like leaning it, like embracing it. I would do a lot of reposts. Self-deprecation is key. I would, I'd screenshot them, post them on my story. I'd really, I'd make him a part of a thing. 110%. Just lean into it. Yeah. But again, grandma, like,

Cyberbullying is circumstantial. If it were a peer or something, I'd hit them up. Of course. Stop doing it. But the grandma makes it. The grandma of it all is funny. One time... Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what I was about to say. One time what? Like my friend's grandma commented like...

about like his sister's birth control on like a Facebook post. Like it was just outrageous. Like it was like. That's really crazy. It was outrageous, but they just don't get it. No. And you kind of just have to lean into the fact that they don't get it. And like respectfully, like your grandma probably doesn't have much time left. They're in their final act. They just let them have fun. Yeah. And like if they're like using social media and they can comment, like my grandparents don't know how to do that. My friend David, who's one of my like closest friends and funniest friends, his grandma has a Twitter account

Josephine Marinelli. She has a Twitter. Her only tweet is the word confirm. That's sick. But like, that's so fucking awesome. Yeah. She started the account and was like, what do I do? Like, do I confirm it? Confirm and press tweet. And that's the only thing she ever posted. That's amazing. That's amazing. Unbelievable. I really want to figure out what that grandma, it was something about whatever.

I have to shit so bad at work, legit, every day in the morning. I can't build up the courage to go. But then I just, ew, ew. Then I just end up crop dusting the fuck out of that place. What do I do? Please help me. Literally, figure it out. Like, I don't mean to be harsh, right?

I always used to be scared. Are you fine with talking about this? Yes, of course. I always used to be scared of using the restroom in public places. It is like ripping off a mandate. Once you do it once, it doesn't matter at all. It doesn't matter. And I learned how to do it via living in a college dorm. Sure. But you just need to do it.

You just need to do what you need to rip off the band-aid. It's gross. It's gross. Who doesn't prefer to poop in the privacy of their own nice smelling bathroom at home? But just do it. It takes five minutes. It's fine. Yeah. I used to.

I used to go to the gender neutral bathroom at all times because that was a single stall. But then I was like, you know what? Like I can go to the boys bathroom even though it's multiple stalls. I can do it. But yeah, just do it. I'm very – I completely am in your camp. The prescription would be get over yourself. 100%. Just do it. Hi, Jake and Jake's guest.

My boyfriend and I have been dating for a few years now, and I just found out he might never want kids. My best friend is saying I need to break up with him right now, but I don't even want kids for another 10 years. What should I do? I've never been in a relationship. Sounds like you've got 10 years then. Then you're fine. But do you think she should be with him for 10 years? I don't know if you'd want to be with the person for the full 10, but it sounds like you've got a real runway before you want kids, so I think it's fine. Okay. I think if you wanted kids within two years...

You should break up. But 10 is like be with them for six years. But then what if you could spend those six years finding someone who you're madly in love with that you want kids with in 10 years? I've changed my mind so many times in the past 10 years. Maybe this person who doesn't want to have kids will want to have kids six years from now. So you think if they're happy, stay together. Yeah, you can change your mind. A little fun fact about my parents. Okay. My parents were together for several years and my mom was like, all right.

I want to have kids. Like, do you want to have kids or not? My dad didn't think he ever wanted to have kids. Wow. He did. And my mom was like, I most want to have kids with you, but I want to have kids. Like, that's the important thing to me in the rest of my life. If you don't ever want to have kids, I respect that. But then we then I have to go find somebody who wants to have kids.

And he sort of thought about it. And I think one of the things she said to him, which I think is really smart, was she was like, listen, we have a great relationship. You don't want to leave this relationship. You're not sure about having kids.

You leave this relationship, you go marry somebody else. Maybe they'll be desperate to have kids anyway. And you'll be in the same position you are now. Maybe you'll get somebody pregnant accidentally and you'll have a kid, whatever. Like she was like, this is the right way to do it. And I think it really made an impact on him. And he now says that having kids is the best decision he's ever made.

But I think it's a it's a I only bring it up because it's a person who didn't think they wanted to have kids. And now they do thinking that it was a great idea. Ultimately. Okay. I really want to have kids. So I'm not in. You do. Yeah. Do you? Yeah. Yeah. I think I would prescribe Louise. Tell me if I'm so off. Do you remember in the Real Housewives of New York when Bethany wanted to have kids and her boyfriend at the time didn't. Am I off? Did that not happen?

I would prescribe early seasons of Real Housewives of New York. I swear Bethany's boyfriend or fiance at the time did not want to have children. And she really, really did. And it was a big point of contention. And they have like really vulnerable conversations about it. That's cool. See, it is cool. And one of the coolest things about Housewives is how vulnerable they get on screen. Like they lay their life out for us.

I think vulnerability, public-facing vulnerability is like a real superpower. It is. I don't know that I super have it, but I think you have it and I think the housewives have it. I don't know if I have it to the extent that the housewives have it. They like, they're martyrs. Like, I don't even know how to like...

I, if I, so sick. In another life. They're like Joan of Arc. They are. The Joan of Bravo. Like, if I could, if I could live, like, I would, like, I would do anything to be like a housewife. I would love to be on the house with Salt Lake City. I just film. Be like, oh, I've been filming. Because, like, I have to go film for housewives. You should just go have an arc on it. Should I? Yeah. Go be a friend. A friend of, you know.

I simply cannot stand my roommate's boyfriend. He is such a mansplainer and is so clueless about it. He's also ignorant, attention-seeking, and thinks he's super funny. He's not. My roommate and I are high school best friends, which makes it ten times harder for me to say anything. Tough. I really empathize. Me too. Boyfriends that you don't like, huge drag. I just don't think there's anything you can do about it, even if you tell her. I mean, I think might as well. There's nothing. And, you know, depends on...

That person sounds really unpleasant. Right. It doesn't sound like they're like a verbally abusive boyfriend or they got hearing like a thing worth breaking up over. Right.

I don't know if there's anything you can say. Because it's all going to come off as just, like, super judgmental. And, like, they're not going to listen to you. Yeah, if you have a friend who's got a partner that is mistreating them, I think you should, at least at some point, be like, I don't think that's okay treatment. But if you're just like, I don't think they're funny, I hate the way they mansplained, you know what I mean? That's tough. Like...

I have the perfect prescription for this. You ever see Girls on HBO? I did. Amazing show. Literally my favorite show of all time. But when Marnie is in that marriage with whatever his name is, like, no one's pulling her out of that marriage but Marnie. The only reason she gets out of that marriage is because she has this, like—

Self-realization moment when she sees her ex in the literal best episode of Girls of All Time and is like, I'm over this. People need to figure out they're over a relationship themselves. No external factor is ever going to, in my mind, going to help them do that. I think what I would do, this is my prescription. I think if you can, as the friend, without ever being mean or making the person, I think if you let your actions reflect that you're

you'd prefer to just be with your friend and not be around their boyfriend. You know, I think that that subliminally does impact, you know what I mean? Yes. When like,

I've been in a relationship with Claudia for like six years and like I'm pretty aware that like my friends really like Claudia. You know what I mean? And they like I have friends that are girls that hang out with Claudia separately. You know what I mean? There's a kind of a like, oh, I know that they get along. This person has like a high approval rating in my life. And I've had girlfriends in my life that have a low approval rating where I love them. But the people around me are like.

And then has that outside perception affected you? I think as the relationship goes on, it is in the back of your mind of like, I don't think my friends like this. My friends who I trust and love are not crazy about this person I'm dating. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think if you're the roommate from college or high school or whatever that this example is, you don't have to verbally say, I don't fuck with your boyfriend. But I think if your actions are like, hey, maybe you and your boyfriend shouldn't, I

I really loved living with you, but you and your... You know what I mean? If you kind of reflect that you're, like, not crazy about them, I think that that's impactful. Or I think if you start standing your ground when he's, like, pissing you off. Yeah, if you argue with their boyfriend, that's also sick. Yeah, I would do that. I like that, too. I like that. Okay, prescription is argue with the person's boyfriend. Like, all right, how do I submit one? You go to passthatpuss.com, and you click tell me what's wrong. Okay. And...

You submit and tell me what's wrong. I like the idea of you being like, this one's from Phineas. The most recognizable name. You'll text me. You text me. I'm sure we'll get it in. Yeah. I'll be like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll, and I'll, I'll read it. Okay, great. Um, Phineas, what did we learn today?

I learned so much about the origin of all of the puss nomenclature in your life. I learned about your college experience. I learned about what your parents do for a living. I learned about your brother being a history buff. I learned that you summered in Los Angeles and grew up in New York.

Does anyone ever tell you you're an excellent listener? Yes, all the time. Okay, you're an excellent listener. Yeah. I, in fact, think that that's, in some ways, my whole career is predicated on listening. I was about to say. I think the real cornerstone of my success is that I sit around and listen to people. Wow. Yeah. You are an incredible listener. I mean, that's like being a producer and songwriter is just like asking questions.

Asking questions in a way that isn't invasive and letting people tell you about themselves, feel comfortable sharing, and then knowing enough to write with them. I think that's like the whole career. I get it. It's kind of like a therapist. Or a therapist. And with that, Phineas, I'll let you go. Pussies, thank you for watching. How do I end these things usually? Why am I brain farting right now? Thank you for coming to Therapist.

This was a pleasure. Nice to meet you, Jake. Nice to meet you. We've been in the same rooms, but we've never spoken. We've never spoken, but now when I see you, I'm going to say. By the way, same rooms, but never spoken. We haven't been at a dinner table. We've been at an event with 500 people. Yes. And I've seen Jake and been like, oh, I recognize Jake. But you know what I mean? Okay.

You're busy. You're ensconced. Jake has his publicist. Jake has his friend. He's got Glenn Powell. He's roaming around. Okay. I feel like you are busy. Yes. You want to give a little bye, pussies? Bye, pussies. Bye, pussies! He's got you up. He's slaying. He's shook. It's Therapist, Therapist, Therapist, Therapist.