Session 62: Madelyn Cline
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Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapus. I am in Nashville. We have two days off here before I go to Birmingham, Alabama. I am so excited, so I guess...

Oh, by the time this airs, I guess I will be in Alabama. But yeah, in other news, I'm on tour. We are almost done with this first leg of tour. I am exhausted but having the most fun ever. We just did two shows in Ohio. They were amazing. I'm now performing Sugarfish live, which has been so, so fun. But right now I'm in Nashville and we have Madeline Klein on the podcast this week. I

I love Madeline Klein so much from the first time I ever met her. She was so lovely and kind and just like such a breath of like fresh air. She's like actually one of the most warm people I think I've ever met. I've always just also been such a huge fan. So to have her on was just such so amazing. We've been planning it forever. Um,

I'm so excited for you guys to get to know her more. I know you see her in Outer Banks and Knives Out 2 and everything she does, but I'm really excited for you guys to watch this and hopefully, like,

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Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Today, we have a dear friend, just the best ever, the star of Outer Banks, Knives Out 2, upcoming I Know What You Did Last Summer, recently signed on for the new movie Day Drinking, Madeline Klein. Drinker.

But you know what we are doing? It's day drinking. We're day drinking. That's why I got it fucked up. Madeline brought me a nice big bottle of champagne. Because we've been wanting to do this for forever. We have been wanting to do this for forever. What happened last time? It was like everything got fucked up. I had to go on tour. You had to go on tour. I had to go to Australia for I Know What You Did. Oh, how was that? It was good. It was good? It was... I love the cast. I love... I love...

I mean, I know I love the original. I love the original too. They're incredible. It just was such a quick shoot. Oh, how quick? Six weeks. Wow. Yeah. That is really quick. It was really, really quick. So we shot most everything in the six-week period, and we have like two weeks of reshoots here. Okay. Yeah. What's the longest time you've ever shot something for? Outer Banks. How long? All the way through, probably like...

Don't quote me on this, but like seven, eight months. What? Yeah. It takes a while. Why? It takes, well, because our scripts, I think we, you know, just the general vibe is I think we figure it out as we go, you know? And so we get these hundred page scripts sometimes.

for a 45 minute episode. A hundred pages. Just like a mini movie. Yeah. And, or kind of. And, and it just, it takes a long time. Uh-huh. And then of course, you know, as TV normally does, we trim it down in the edit. Right. But it, it takes a while. And also all the stunt sequences, I mean, there's all, there's always something happening. Right. There is always something happening. We're always going through it. You are like always going through it in one of the most beautiful places on earth.

Yes, totally. And there was I read something somewhere that just made me laugh and brought joy. But someone said, if I'm having a bad day, all I do is think about Sarah Cameron. And then I realize I'm having a better day. And I think about that sometimes when I'm on set and I'm really tired and I'm, you know, doing an insane we're doing an insane sense sequence and we're exhausted and jet lagged or whatever the fuck is happening. And I'm like, OK, yeah.

I might be pretending to be Sarah Cameron, but I'm not. And you're having a better day than her. I am. A much better day. I absolutely am. Speaking of, should we pop this? Are you going to do it one-handed? I think so. That's impressive. Oh, I'm scared. Insert struggling Sam. Wait, you got it. You got it. You got it. It's happening. It's happening. Okay, this is like longer than I've ever lasted in bed, honestly. If it hits that light. Sorry. Oh, okay.

Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Longer than you lasted in bed, say. Yeah. Ooh, did that hit the camera? Did it? No. Oh, that would be great. Well, cheers to Sarah Cameron. Cheers. God damn it. Cheers to Puss University and Sarah Cameron. And cheers to us finally doing this. Thank God. Where did we first meet, speaking of? The airport, no? We met at baggage claim. I know we met at baggage claim. I think that was a re-meeting, but I do remember that. We were at the American Airlines baggage claim.

And I was like, is that Matt? No, that was a re-meeting. That was a re-meeting, but where did we meet? Was it Tommy? No. Because we hung out at Tommy's after already meeting. We did. We were both at photo call shaking because we were so nervous. I was shaking. No, I was shaking. I was shaking on the inside. Eyes, eyes, eyes. That's good. That's good. Day drinking. Day drinking, not day drinker, which you're starring in. You haven't shot that yet, no? No. Are you excited? I'm excited.

Pinaldi Cruz is in it, right? Yes. She's awesome. I love her. Have you seen, who is the, oh God. On SNL, she's the blonde actress. She's the one where she did the skit with Ryan Gosling with the aliens. Chloe Fineman? No, no, no. She was like not the worst Wednesday night of my life.

It's the aliens. Heidi Gardner? Huh? Heidi Gardner? No. Kate McKinnon? Kate McKinnon. Yes, Kate McKinnon. So, wait, where was I going with this? Oh, so there was a clip. I don't even know if it was her actual first audition for SNL, but she was like, I like Penelope Cruz. I'm going to show you all my love. I have seen this. I have seen this. And so every time I think about her, I think of that. Hello, my name is Penelope Cruz. I don't know how she would feel about me, but I'm really excited to meet her.

You've never met her before? No. When do you start shooting? Like, imminently. Oh, very soon. I don't know if I'm allowed to say. But, like, probably in a month-ish? A couple months? And do you think it's going to be a long shoot, or you just don't know until? I think it'll be a, I think for me it'll be like a couple.

Oh, wow. Yeah, because I have to get shot out because I go from there straight to the fifth season. What does shot out mean? Like all my stuff done, except for probably some pickups that we'll have, I might have like in between, like in a powder banks hiatus, because you know we always have to go somewhere abroad. Yeah.

Where are you going this year? Are you allowed to say? I have no idea. Okay, cool. It's only in a few months. Probably somewhere where there's surf. Yeah, hopefully. That's always like the goal. Are you... I do not surf. No. Is this the last season of Outer Banks? Yes, it is. Are you ready to close the chapter? I think it's... I know it's not going to hit me until it happens. And I think it's going to take a second for it to hit me for sure. Because...

For the past five, six years now, it's been something that we've always just gone back to. Right. It's always been something to fall back on. It's just been like this family that we always go back to. And I think it's only going to hit me when I come back to L.A. afterwards and we wipe our hands of it. And you're like... And also I think reading the last script, I think it will really...

It'll be emotional. Have you already read it or not yet? I have no idea. All I know is I'm pregnant. Great. Well, maybe the pregnancy will lead down to like a reboot in 20, 30 years. Yeah, right. Just like 90210. I can come back. Yes. I can revisit it. Have you ever seen 90210? No.

Oh, it's amazing. I need to watch it. It's the best. I was watching The Hills, which I know is not anything. I fucking love The Hills. But it was incredible, especially with Heidi's single coming back and everybody loving it. She's so ahead of her time. Was the single after the work or before the work? I think it was after. Do you remember when she got her work done and in the episode, somebody literally acted like as if she got a body transplant? I think that was her.

Yeah, her family was like hysterically sobbing. I saw that. And she acted like she committed a crime for the ages. No, that's – but when I watched that one, I was like nine. And I remember being like what – I didn't understand what was so bad about it. But I just remember her sitting there being like, I got my nose done. I got my ears done. I got this done. I got this done. And then they also wanted to do this. And then I did this. And her mom was like – And I had my boobs done. And her mom was like just dead eyes. And what did she say? What –

What did she say? There was this quote of someone being like, well, what do you say to people that don't like this? And she goes, then that's not for them. Period. Or something like super cunty. But also back, it was... Not that serious. It's not serious. Well, I'm...

I think she looked great. She looks amazing. I think she looked amazing. She looks amazing. I don't know what the big deal was. I don't know either. I think it was like all at once out of nowhere and like plastic surgery wasn't super talked about back then. No, it was very new. It was so new. It was new. Well, it was still very, very taboo. It was, yes. And then the 2010s came and conquered and plastic surgery was like super open. Yeah. Well, everybody, everybody realized that they were wrong. Yeah. I mean, not. Because you know, essentially. It's not something you need.

But, like, if you want it, get it. It's just not that serious. It's really not that serious. It's not that deep. It doesn't affect you. It's also, like, if you want it, get it. It's your money. Agreed. Did we ever find out in the hills what Heidi did to piss Lauren off so bad? No, but also, I didn't... No, I don't remember. I did not remember. Who, Lauren or Heidi? Yes, Lauren. Yeah, which... You know what you did! I was like...

Yeah, she's like, I'll forgive you. Or what is it? I'll forgive you, but I want to forget you. Like, she has so many one-liners. I'm like, wait, was it that serious with Heidi? Girl, you ought to know. Right? You know who is, like, so iconic re-watching Vanderpump Rules Stassi? From Jump, she was all, like, her one-liners from day one. When she said...

I am the devil. And don't you forget it. Oh, I have chills. Stay one. Or is she the one that also says like when Lala's taking her order and she goes like, I don't know, but I'll have a Prosecco. I don't know what I did to you.

But I'll take a Sauvignon Blanc. Yes, yes, yes. It's that. It's that. It's so everything. I ran into her at some premiere and I remember being like, you're an icon. I'm obsessed with her. I've never seen Vanderpump from the, wait, so are you a Bravo girl? I am a Bravo girl, but I'm not, see, I'm making my way through all of the housewives. So what are you on right now? So right now I'm not on Bravo. I'm on the Traders.

Okay. Is it good? I love it. Which season of The Traitors are you on? So right now I'm watching three because I kept seeing all of the clips of Sandoval. Like the producer's coming for Sandoval. Yeah, why are they coming? I mean, I guess he's the worst. The producers are also Bravo girlies. Yes, yeah. But it's good. It's just like Mafia. Right. They're reality all-stars. Have you seen season two?

Neither have I, apparently. That's the best season. I'll watch it. Let's watch it together. Please. Let's watch it together on a day like today. We should just watch it today after this. I would do that. Okay. I have like a date, maybe not date at 7 p.m., but I can't tell what it is, honestly. He reached out on Raya, but I think it's a business meeting. I read it to someone. They were like, that's business. But I was DMing this hot guy, and we were going back and forth.

And then I was reading, or he asked me on a ski date because I'm going to Aspen. And I thought that was like so cunt. And I was like, yeah, I don't know how to ski very well, but I was like, I will ski with you. Did you ski? Yeah. Well, I'm going into next weekend. Have you seen any of the housewives? You know, when I...

When I first started watching Housewives, I watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. They're the best. The best. The actual best. The first few seasons, and then I kind of fell off. And I also watched the first few seasons of New York and Atlanta. Atlanta early is the best. So good. New York early is good, too. My issue is I always have to, like, really trudge through season one of those because it's, like...

Establishing. Establishing. Yes. Except in Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills just hit the ground running. It was so good. Because it was like old Hollywood drama. And I've always been obsessed with Lisa. Have you seen her friendship breakup with Kyle? Yes. I was really devastated by that. That was sad. I took that personally. I don't know. I was maybe 12. I took that really personally. Because it's hard. But the thing about the housewives is...

Once you start to realize the game in which it's played, it's like you view it so differently. Yes. Like, you're like, okay, so each of the housewives brings in dirt about the other housewives. And then the other housewives have to play with how they bring that up in front of the camera. So, but Lisa was the best at that. Do you remember when Lisa, like, stuck the tabloid in Brandy's suitcase or, like... Yeah, she played the game. She played the game, but so did Kyle. She's, like, really, like...

She's kind of sinister in a really cunty way. The most cunty. But I think that's why she was so angry at Kyle because she was like, are you fucking kidding me, bitch? Like, you know I did this. Why are you bringing it up on camera? Because the thing about it is like if it's not brought up on camera, it's not real to them. So like when you. And to us. Yeah, and to us. So if you bring it up on camera, that's like you're drawing a line in the sand. Also, why is yours way more? Okay, so I've been thinking about this ever since I.

making sense to me ever since I poured it I was thinking about it and I was feeling really bad about it but I didn't want to like overstep no no no you you're never overstepping here not at not at post university cheers again eyes eyes um so I had this idea well not me I don't want to take credit for it but going back to the traders uh-huh I was with my friend Lucas the other night

Lucas Gage? Yes. He's the biggest Bravo girl. I'm obsessed with him. Yeah, he's the best. He is one of my favorite people on this entire planet. We've been friends for like eight years. Have you really? Yes. We met a very long time ago when I was, I think I was like 19. Uh-huh. And it was before either of us had Botox done. And

And we were, a couple martinis were had. Uh-huh. And we emailed the producers of The Traitors and we were like, we want to be on it. Like an S season of actors. That would be insane. Yeah.

it'd be really fun to do but i want actors you would have but also i want you to be on it too i would also i would like somehow weasel my way in there no you wouldn't have to weasel you wouldn't have to weasel at all like you would be if you do traitors i i will sign up in my sleep i mean i am terrible at mafia did you ever play mafia growing up yes and i'm awful at it to this day yeah i remember playing i don't remember the game no i played manhunt that's what i played that's what

That's what I played. That's why I was confusing the two, and I was like, how the fuck do you play Manhunt in reality television? No, Manhunt is fighting for your life. Physically. Physically. And Mafia is fighting for your life mentally. Got it. Okay, I think I'm going to watch Traitors. Yeah. Do you... Wait, so you grew up in South Carolina. Yes. So was it just kind of kismet that you got the Outer Banks role? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I...

Yeah, but I tried to audition for it out here in LA because at that point I had moved out here. I'd been here for like two, three years. And they told me no because I wasn't blonde.

And so I was like, okay. So I went and just dunked my hair in a bottle of Sunn'n. Yeah, I did that once. Yes, and which made it orange. Yes. Like this orangey brown. It's a canon event. Yeah, it is a canon event. I like, I doused my hair in Sunn'n and then I took a blow dryer to it for like an hour. And then they were still like, no. Yeah. No. No.

And then I auditioned for the regional casting directors for it, Lisa Meg Fincannon and Mark Fincannon. And they brought me in to meet with the showrunners and the producers. Caught it. And they were like, yes. Which is great. So you weren't giving up on it? No. And I also had helped so many friends with their tapes. Yeah. And...

I was just like, I feel like I know how to play this. And I was just happy that they brought me in. And also, my parents are still in Charleston. So I was like, you know, it's just a trip home. But then I just stayed. Did you expect Outer Banks to become as big as it was?

No, I mean, I think we all hoped it would be successful enough to even get like a second or third season. I think we were thinking this would be awesome if we could even get to a third season. Yeah. You know, that would be incredible. And then it just ended up doing what it did, which was crazy because it was also during COVID. So we were just watching it happen all from our apartments. And we didn't like understand just the reach of it. Right. Until now.

the world started opening up, which, you know, happened gradually over the course of a year. That, I just remember, like, there was, like, three shows that had, like, honestly, it might have only been two, a moment in time in COVID, and it was Tiger King and Outer Banks. It was Carole Baskin and Outer Banks. And I just remember, like, everybody, that was kind of the beautiful thing about COVID, is, like, everybody was watching the same thing at the same time. Yeah.

I don't think there was any other shows, unless I'm missing something, that popped off during COVID the way that that did. No, I don't know. I can't remember. Was there ever a moment where you were like, I hate that this is happening during COVID? No, because... You were just grateful for it to be happening. I just didn't know, like...

I didn't really know anything else. Right. You know, and people were saying to me, you know, you're not getting the whole experience. Right. You know, what you do, which I know now, is you junk it and you do the events. Right. And you promote it and you kind of go on a tour, which we have done. But we didn't know. We were just, also, we were just inside, which I love being inside. So I was happy. Did you like quarantine?

I liked it too. I did. I really did. Because I love being inside. I love sitting. Yeah. One thing about me is I will be sitting. You find me somewhere and it's probably sitting. Right. I also love sitting, but I also, I'm a pacer. Do you ever pace? Only on the phone. Okay. When I'm anxious and I'm on the phone and I'm trying not to be awkward and the phone call is going really well. Oh.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I do do that. And I pace because I know that it's about to end and I'm like, okay, so great to hear from you. Right. Right. Right. And okay. Okay. Right. And that's how you, that's what you pace. And then I just kind of stand there staring at it, thinking about all the ways I could have handled that. What's your birthday? December 21st. Sagittarius. Period. Party. Party.

Party. You like to party. Rule number one. Yeah. You love to party. I do. I do know that about you. Yes. Just because we always talk. We're always like, we actually always run into each other after a night out. I know. We were supposed to do something this. This weekend. For the lore. And then we didn't. I know. What did you do? I went to a living room. I said to Madeline, I was like, there's this new club called Living Room. And she was like, I love my living room. Yeah.

And I was like, no, like, it's a club. And she's like, no, I know. Like, I go from the bedroom to my living room every day. And I was like, no, Madeline, it's a club called Living Room. Wait, where is it? Like, Hollywood? I had seven dirty martinis, though, and I... Yum. Yeah, I never... You know, I just recently got into dirty martinis. How recently? Like, a week ago. And how dirty? Filthy. Are we talking, like, filthy? Like, kinky? Filthy. Like, kink. Wow. I love. Because it tastes like alcoholic olive oil. But I... Yes, it does. And it's also...

I feel like the salt is supposed to, like, maybe I'm completely misguided, but I feel like the salt helps with the hangovers. I have a hangover. Right? I was a little nauseous, but that was it. Yeah. And I just recently got into olives, too, which I notoriously hate it. I just got out of olives. How do you get out of something? You ate too many? I think I ate too many, but I'll still, I'll do the juice. Mm-hmm.

But just not the all of itself. There's something about it that's just like the texture has started to. That was my thing with that. Therapist me off. What are you therapist about? I was actually just saying earlier something that therapist me off is I. So are you a reader? Have you read ACOTAR? No. What is ACOTAR?

A court of thorn and rose. What? I just, what is it? A court of court. Yeah, a court of. A court of. A court of. A court of. Thorn and roses. Therapists. And. Oh. Rose. And rose. It is. It's basically very smut. But it's not. But it's not super smutty. It's sexy, but it's also. It's.

Such good fun. It reminds me of the books that I was obsessed with, like these grand adventures and these fantasy worlds that I was obsessed with when I was a teenager. And I haven't... I kind of got out of reading for a while, which I loved reading growing up. And then my friend Jen introduced me to ACOTAR. She's like, please just read it. It's so good. And then I started reading it. And I...

I didn't want to love it, but I did. Okay. And is it like edge of your seat vibes? It can be. It's a really... Okay. ACOTAR is like instant gratification. Oh, I like that. And then her next set of... Yes. It's really good for the ADD girlies. Okay. That's what I like. And then her next set of books, Sarah J. Moss, I think is her... Yeah. I don't read. Love. I don't read. But her next set of books is...

Throne of Glass. It's not instant gratification, but it is really fun and really good. And it is a very epic series. But I took it upon myself to read one book in one day on a day like this where it's raining and I had nothing to do. And I sat on the couch for so long, I got up and I pulled my hamstring.

Oh my God, just from sitting? Yes. Oh, you really do sit. I do. If there's one thing about you. It's sitting. It's sitting. Have you ever read The Housemaid?

No, I need to read that. I know they're making the movie. Yes. The casting's great. It's perfect. Yes. I don't read. But I read it and I loved it. And then, but the main character besides the Sidney Sweeney is the house, the lady of the house. And it's played by Amanda Seid. What am I supposed to, the wife? Like, I don't know. The woman of the house. The house mother. That's how you know I'm on TikTok too much. I was like, what can I call it? Mm-hmm.

The matriarch? Yeah, am I going to get in trouble? What were you going to say? The wife. I don't know. It was the housewife. I don't know what I was going to say. That bitch? That bitch. That bitch. Is played by Amanda Seyfried, which, yes. Okay, she's housemother. But the way she's described in the book is like this slob. Like this actual slob. In no world do I see Amanda Seyfried. Amanda Seyfried playing a slob. And then I've seen photos on set, and I'm like,

Amanda Saver looks good. Yeah. Like really good. And the whole point is that she doesn't look good and looks like a hot mess. Maybe I haven't seen like on camera set stuff. Well, see that to me doesn't sound correct. I know. Are they making a movie of ACOTAR? So I feel like it's...

Up in the air, and I feel like a lot of people are trying to grab it. Yeah. And I think someone does have the rights to it. I don't know who, because otherwise I feel like they'd be making it. Right. But I also feel like making a high fantasy book into...

a movie or a TV show is very hard. And expensive. And expensive. Yeah. And sometimes, and I'm not saying it shouldn't, I would love to see it

Come to life. Right. But some things are just better left to the imagination. A hundred percent. Because everybody has a different idea. Yes. Of like who should be cast as this character or that character. And also special effects can be very corny. And it has to be done right. I feel like it would have to be dark fantasy. Right. You know what I mean? How many books are there? Three in the series? There's five in the series. Oh, well, Hollywood's just sitting on a goldmine.

And also, hello, Throne of Glass. Also incredible. What's Throne of Glass about? It's basically about this assassin. Ooh. And she is...

Well, I don't want to spoil it for anyone. It's about an assassin who gets picked up out of these... She works in the mines. The salt mines of Endovir. I hope I'm saying that right. And she becomes one of the contestants in this competition to become the king's champion who will be his assassin. This sounds way more interesting than Alcantara. Yeah, it's... Well, I mean, it's... Again, Alcantara...

ACOTAR is instant gratification. Throne of Glass is this like giant world building. Okay. Like very epic story. Never mind. Yeah. But you do have to, you have to get through it. Okay. I can't do that. Yes. When people used to comment that I should read ACOTAR, I thought they were saying actor and like an accent. I always think about that. So I thought they were calling me an actor. So I thought it was like, you are an ACOTAR. Like that's what I thought people were saying.

But then someone started reading it and they started saying it. I was like, oh my God, it's a book. It's book. It's book. It's not an actor. It's book. It's book. No one's called me an ACOTAR. Well, that's probably because you've read it. Well, but I am an ACOTAR. You are an ACOTAR and an ACOTAR. Speaking of ACOTAR, how long have you been acting for? I have been ACOTARing. I have, well, I really only count me being an actor probably since,

High school. Oh, really? Yeah. You were in Stranger Things too, no? Yeah. So that was when I went to college, didn't graduate. Sorry. Why would I say that's a big fat lie? I lie all the time. Where'd you go to college? Compulsive lying. I went to college at Coastal Carolina. Fun. Was it fun? It was fun, but I didn't do anything. I was homeschooled, so I was afraid of parties and people. So I just stayed in and did my work.

And I, you know, my friends were my suite mates. Right. But the whole thing scared me. Right. And so. It's intimidating. It's really scary. Yeah. I mean, I also, I don't know. That was the first time. I mean, I'd always had a lot of control over my schedule. I knew how to manage my, well, I say I knew how to, but I've somehow lost control.

The ability to manage my schedule. Yeah, I've never been able to. Yeah, it's bad. Why am I lying again? It's fine. It happens. Silly me. But it was just, it was really intimidating. And I also, I just knew that I didn't want, I knew I wanted to move to either New York, LA or Atlanta. I wanted one of the three and I was doing it because I felt like that was what I was supposed to do.

And then I just left. And then that's when I booked Stranger Things and the originals. I, meaning to ask you about the originals. I, were you a Vampire Diaries fan? Such a Vampire Diaries fan. Same. I would watch, I would pretend to be doing my biology homework and it was actually just like binge watching. Wait, so your homework though was from your parents? Yes. What was that like?

I cheated in trig. I cheated on everything. My mom had the answer books. Wait, but so have you always been homeschooled? I was homeschooled from like sixth grade on. Did you like it? I did because I could kind of do what I wanted. Right. I still, I still obviously I had classes. I had to keep up with the state standard. Right. So it's fine. But I had, you know, I had my jobs. Like I worked at a barn and then I could go hang out with my friends when I wanted to, as long as I got my work done. Right. Right.

So it's fine. Right. So I liked it, but I just, I knew I wanted to, I begged my parents to give me a gap year or to let me take a gap year. Why did you start homeschooling? Because my dad traveled a lot for work. And then when I was younger, I also did like commercial print modeling. Oh, cool. Yeah. So don't look it up. Okay. But.

But I did that, and I also traveled to New York with my mom for that. And then my dad traveled. So it was just kind of... It was easier. And I also didn't... I don't know. I was never...

I've always been like a silly little learner. Right. It was never a one-size-fits-all for me. Yeah. I've always had a really hard time concentrating or being like talked. It's always been, I've always been a very kinetic learner. And I just ended up doing better. Yeah. That way. So my parents just kept me in it. Do you have siblings? No. Only child? I would never assume you were an only child, which is so funny because people always assume I'm an only child. Yeah.

Yes. You're not an only child. No, I have a younger brother, but I behave like one. Strongly. You love. But you don't. Thank you. Wait, do you also, are you bi-coastal in New York and LA or just mainly here? I'm mainly here because the longer I'm out here, the less I like New York. Whoa. Tell me everything. Why the less you like New York? No, I just, it feels like work island. Okay. And I also, I love to drive. I mean, I was, I did try New York for a few months. Where? New York.

I was like Lower East Side, Brooklyn. I was all over the place as I am here. And I had my car there, which is really fun. Driving in the city was like a video game. But people are so horrible at driving in New York. Yes, which is why I fit in. Okay. No, I am a good driver. But I don't know. I just, I like having my car. I like how spread out it is here. I like how there's, I mean, New York's the same, obviously, but it just feels like there's different pockets and they're all like different little areas

Yeah. In their own rights. And I also, I enjoy having a house. Yeah. Do you have pets? I do. You have a cat? I have a dog. Dog. I'm allergic. Fuck. I was about to say, you sent me a photo of one of them the other day, and I forgot if it was a cat or a dog. That was a Frenchie. So he has the...

The ears. Yeah, so it could be. No, he's very clearly a dog. He does. He gets cat. Yeah. Yeah. I don't fuck with cats.

Don't fuck with cats. Yeah. I mean, I would love to, but I am highly allergic and I've had nothing but bad experiences. Have they ever scratched you? Yes. No. Bite, scratch. Bite? My aunt Sally had a cat named Sassy. Uh-huh. And she was way more than Sassy. Did Sassy bit you? Yes. Sassy traumatized me. Why? She bit me and she scratched me because she would stand in the middle of the hallway and she would not let anyone pass. Ew. Yeah. None shall pass. Ew.

And she meant it. Dogs don't do that. No. Well, not the dogs that I hang out with. No, not the dogs I hang out with. They're like, I'll come with you. Right. I'll follow you. Yes. Do you? Okay. So did you? So you say New York is like work island. Yes. But New York is way more fun than LA. No, it is. So that's another thing too. That's the dilemma I have.

Because it is really fun. The nightlife is better. It's just everything. I mean, the restaurants, there's everything. The shopping, incredible. I love the people. I just, for some reason, whenever I go, but also whenever I do go, it's for two, three days, and I don't have time to just stay and spend time there. So maybe that's why, but. Dating is also, I find, to be better there.

I find, at least maybe just for me, have you ever spoken to Lucas Gage about this? Like, I feel like because he's gay, like, New York is better for gay people. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, that's why it's more, like, LA is like, I told you I'm going to a date tonight. I was like, I don't know if it's a business meeting or a date. LA is just shit for dating in general. It really is shit. Like, and you could put, you could put, like, Wyoming up and it's probably better. It probably is. But New York, what was I going to say? Yeah.

I do see how it's work island. I feel like I work more here though, but I guess, I guess I feel like maybe I know this sounds stupid, but maybe like being in a house makes it feel like you're doing less work than being in a small apartment. Yeah. And also it just, it feels homeier and I'm such a homebody anyways. So it's just, I think maybe that's why, but I've also been here for so long. So when I was for like, I think I've been here for eight years. Oh no way. Yes. I've been here for a while. So, and,

I have so many friends here. And so when I was spending time in New York, I just missed everyone so much. So that was, I do feel like home is probably where your community is. I'm struggling with that because my two best friends, Peyton and Julie, are moving to New York. What? Yes, in June. Peyton! Yeah, it sucks. Because Peyton, Peyton, correct me if I'm wrong, but she keeps saying she needs a New York moment. Yeah.

I can do that anywhere. We just get like, LA is just, I don't know. No, I get it. I think I'm going to do both places though, which I'm very lucky to be able to say I can do, but I am, I think I'm going to do try both places just because it's important. I think to try, I don't want to leave. I LA is like my favorite place on planet earth. Right. Right. Wait, but you said you were saying you love the food in New York. What's your favorite restaurant? Oh, this is, this is really hard because, um, don't know. Um,

I'm trying to think of the last time I went. It wasn't when I saw you. No, that was for Tommy. I missed a fun night out, though, with Theo. Oh, my God. I remember Thomas Doherty was there. You were so funny. What did I do? We showed up to. Greenwich Hotel. Yes, and I think because I think Thomas was staying there. We're picking. No, were we meeting you? I don't know. I ran into you down there. We ran into you. Yeah.

You had just smoked. Oh, yes. And like, you guys, I'm sorry. I have to go. Because when I smoke. I get it. I'm not social. I'm not. I was like, you guys, I can't. And Thomas makes me nervous. He makes everybody. Like, he just, he stares into your soul. He does. He's like, hi. And I'm like, okay.

He is the best. I love him so much. We ended up just going to an Irish pub and playing pool. I remember being like, damn, I should have gone. Yeah, he's terrible at pool. I can imagine. Actually, I can't imagine. I don't know why I just lied. No, no, no. That's correct.

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Like, when I deliver good drama, like... Oh, it's the best feeling ever to deliver good drama and just to see, like, the jaws on the floor. Yeah. Like, just knowing that you are... It's not gossip. It's just spreading awareness. Oh, my God. It is spreading awareness. Like, do you ever receive such heinous news? Yes. And you are so calm. Oh, no. It was so, like... It...

rattled me so hard and I was driving and I was like interesting okay and then I texted my two best friends what I had heard what I found out and it was like shut the front door hold the phone what the fuck oh and then for the next week we were just like I can't

I can't believe. I'm so excited to hear. Will you actually tell me after this? Of course. Oh, I'm pumped. Yeah, of course. Do you think my reaction is going to be similar? I hope so. Yes! Because it is actually, it's truly like, it's one of those situations where like, it was actually like the spreading of awareness. Yes. Like you have to tell people. Right. The spreading of awareness was actually way more interesting than the situation I was in. Got it. Got it. So I was kind of like...

Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah. Love. Oh, I would be so scared of you if you were mad at me. I'm not scary. I'm just one of those people where like, if something, if something really genuinely hurts my feelings. Yeah. I'm cut. Clean slate. I mean, I'm like, obviously like I would always love to talk it out and like figure things out. But if something is truly so upsetting, like,

And not cool. Yeah. It's, I'm. Bye. Bye. I'm really bad at confrontation. Get a grip. Gag. Gag. Get a grip. Gagged. Are you good at confrontation? No, I'm not. I'm not good at confrontation. Because I feel like I, I'm really good at sitting and listening and hearing all sides. And sometimes I feel like that leads to accidentally placating things.

Me too. You know what I mean? Yes. Because I do feel for everyone. I feel for, you know, I get it. Sometimes, like, shit just happens. Right. But sometimes shit doesn't just happen. Right. Sometimes you've fucked up. Right. You know, like, sometimes you've done something really mean. But do you ever, like, feel bad when someone's, like, explaining to them and you're like, am I a mean person for being angry? Yeah.

Like, I confuse my anger with, like, being mean. And that's my number. And I think... I understand. Like, I was very, very angry the other day. Like, furious. They're pissed. They're furious. And I had to have Peyton sitting there with me to be like...

Just basically like if I'm angry and Peyton's sitting there with me, like I'm 10 times angrier than I entered the room. I love. Like. Yeah. She like really like eggs me on to no end. But I like. That's how I. That's what I. Unfortunately, I think that's what I do. No, but it's. Because I get angry with people. Yes. She. That's not the thing with her. Like she gets angry for us and like her friends.

I hate my number one pet peeve or just like my thing I hate most in the world is when I come with such anger and such a point and then I deliver it so poorly to the point where I'm able to get gaslit into believing that I was wrong. Yes. I understand that too. Like my delivery is always off. Because I get scared. I get really nervous. Did you feel when like all the success starts to skyrocket your anxiety get a lot worse? Yes. I can imagine. Totally. Because it's

Because I'm thinking about, I think about how I'm being perceived from every angle. Right. And it's really nerve wracking because there's so many opinions everywhere. And it's, you kind of have to, you can't just like stop thinking about that. You can't just stop yourself from being anxious. Right. And it is important to think about those things, but it doesn't help.

At all. It actually probably exacerbates the issue. Did you ever have to? Well, because Outer Banks like really popped off on TikTok for that moment. It was really popping on TikTok. You were also in like a relationship that was perceived publicly and that was, I assume, the first time that's ever happened to you? Yes. And was, like, were you like, what the fuck do I do? Yeah. I mean, it was, at the time I didn't realize, I think I just, I didn't realize what the, you know, what the repercussions of, you know, inviting so many people into a very, like,

you know, something that's, you know, let's be honest, like something that's intimate. Yeah. I didn't understand. I, you know, I was just so in love. Right. And, you know, people loved it because it, but they loved it. I think they loved it because of us, but they also, they did. They love John B and Sarah first and foremost. Was it hard to like separate? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's like, so, I mean, you look at any public breakup and you know, so many people are invested. Right. And yeah,

Of course, that was really hard. And also, we still to this day share a very, very big, you know, this huge thing that is a massive part of both of our lives. Right. So I think, yeah, it was really, really hard to separate. But also, like any breakup, you grow out of it. Yeah. Which is great. But it definitely, that for sure, there was a period of time there where

Where I truly did not know which way was up, which way was down. Because that, like, Outer Banks and that public relationship was kind of my identity. And I was like, who the fuck am I? I'm still figuring that out. But figuring that out and figuring out who you are in the public space just is truly, like, so...

It's such a mindfuck. Like, I have such respect for anyone in the public space who has, like, you know, found and created their identity and is so comfortably seated in that, which I know it might seem that they are, but it might not be, but...

I have so much respect for anyone. Yeah. Anyone like who is in any way, shape or form in the public space. Because do you feel like when you like figuring stuff out is like everything you do, people are going to comment on what you're doing. Yeah, totally. And it's like, how am I supposed to figure out who I am and what I want to do if everybody has an opinion? Yes. Do you have like easy ways to shut it out? No, I think I don't think there's really is an easy way.

to shut it out. I think it's just ultimately a part of what we do. But I also, I think, I think I'd rather, I think I'd rather make the decisions that feel correct to me and if people have opinions that that is, they're totally entitled to those opinions. Yeah. But I think the best thing is just to keep my head down and just keep doing what I'm doing. Right. We got so deep. I know.

I know. I was like, damn. Yeah. Because there is no, like, there really is no right answer. Everyone's different. Yeah. Everyone navigates it differently. I have so much respect for you because, like, I don't know how I would ever...

I'm, everyone's opinion influences me. Oh my God, it scares me. I am so easily adaptable to anyone. Like we were just talking about, like when we're talking with our friends or we're listening to them and we get so emotional. You're so true. Yeah, like you're so right. You're so true. YST. You're so true. Yeah.

But I think you're doing a really beautiful job of figuring it out. You too. Thank you. And can I tell you what I really noticed that? When I was watching Knives Out 2, you were my favorite part of the whole movie. Oh my god, thank you. Not even just saying that, my favorite part of the whole movie. You were so funny, so quick. Like your comedic timing was so there. And I remember just thinking like...

She is going to go really, really far. And like you just take up a screen like you take up the whole room and like that's who you are. You're a star. Like aside from everything else, like you do if you continue doing what like gravitates towards you and what you want to do, like it's going to work because everything you do, you do really, really you excel at.

Well, that's how I feel. Oh my God. That's just my opinion. Yeah, that's just my opinion. But it is true. Like you were my favorite part of that movie. I love you. I love you too. What music are you listening to right now? Oh my God. I feel like I knew you were going to ask this. I've been listening to, I have actually kind of just gotten onto Gracie Abrams. She's great. She's great.

Ariana Grande, of course. The biggest. Like, the biggest, the best. Oh, my God. You're going through your Saturn return, or you're about to. I am. Are you going through it already, or are you... I think I'm going through it already. I think so. I feel like my, like, prefrontal cortex is, like... Happening. Hardened, or whatever it is. Right. It's, like, it's developed. One of the words. One of the words. And...

Let's see. What else? Brat always. Brat. Chapel. How good? Did you like experience Brat summer? Yes. Same. I had Brat summer in Spain.

Fuck me. It's like, I thought I had the brat summer. No, like you had the brat summer. Oh my God, we had brat summer in Spain and it was incredible. Were you shooting there or were you just there? Shooting there. Okay. We were in Spain. We were everywhere. What were you shooting? We were shooting, I was shooting a movie with KJ Apa, who I love. He's awesome. He's the best. He's awesome. I adore him. And it's a...

romance, drama. It's very cute. Uh-huh. It's called The Math That Leads to You. Yes. And I also, I just saw like some stuff for it. Are you pumped? What do you, no release date out yet, right? Not yet, no. Okay. Not yet. That's what I thought. But summer.

But we were there, and KJ's so brat. He is? He's so brat. Like, what do you mean? He's just so brat. He just, he does what he wants. Yeah. You know, like, he, I don't know how to describe it. He's one of the funniest people I've ever met. And he was amazing to shoot with. Wait, what's your sign? Are you into this? Yes. Do you want to guess? Yes.

Scorpio. Fuck! I know, but Pisces and Scorpios are like this. Yeah, it's true. So I get it, but I am a Scorpio. I love a Scorpio. Gemini rising, Gemini moon. You do give Gemini. Yeah, that's what people say. You really do. It's because I adapt. Yes. It's because I, what's your rising year moon? I'm a Libra rising Virgo moon.

That's a great star sign chart. It's not bad, but the Virgo, like I'm all air and fire. So the Virgo moon is just like internally screaming all the time. For control. For control or organization or like boots on the ground, something. Right. Because everything else is just, yeah. Yeah.

Like, yeah, up in the air. Yeah, I'll come to Allo. Wait, guys, I can't. Sorry. That's not in the third. But here's my dog. Here's a picture of him. He's really cute. Please forgive me. But I was going to say...

KJ's a Gemini. And a lot of my favorite people are Geminis. Oh, really? Because that's the Sagittarius and Gemini excellency. Is that a thing? Yeah, the sister signs. Is it like we'd have a lot of fun on a night out? Yes. Or just like Lucas, Gemini. I see that. KJ, Gemini. Odessa, Gemini. Mm-hmm.

You're a Gemini rising. Gemini moon. I feel like, I feel like essentially, no, I'm both. I feel like essentially I am a Gemini. Yeah. I like identify. But that's your mask. Yeah. If that's your rising. That's my mask, but that's also my moon. So it's like. So you're also internally when you're alone. I feel like a Gemini. Yes. Someone described it as like your, your sun sign is the cupcake. Your moon is the filling. Yeah.

Ooh. And then your rising is the icing on top. Oh, that's actually super fascinating. Yeah. And I think that's why I have such a hard time separating who I present myself as and who I'm alone with. Mm-hmm. Because it's the same thing. Mm-hmm. So I'm like...

Who am I? Who am I? Yeah. I know. So like that's why I'm such a homebody I think. And I overanalyze and I get really anxious because I think that's the Virgo in me. I think that Virgos are so anxious. And we like overanalyze and think about everything over and over again. Do you ever – do you have like good coping mechanisms for your Virgo tendencies? Absolutely not. Neither do I.

It used to be weed, as you know, but clearly it wasn't voting with me. I quit. I can't do it. I quit weed. It makes me get really existential and I spiral. I downward spiral and then I start thinking – I go really like existential. Like just like what is my life? Yeah, and then I look in the mirror and I'm like – Yeah. My thing with weed was that like it was so – it was so good for me for so long that

It's like how I'm here right now because I was very funny and creative on it. And then all of a sudden it just flipped a switch and I started like panicking and like having like really – like I started – okay, here's when I knew it was bad is when I started. I was like putting out this like comedy album and I really didn't want to put it out every time I smoked. And I was like, holy fuck, like I just – I can't do this anymore.

this anymore but I feel great three months sober I love yeah hey I love that from just that from just that yeah you're California sober I am California sober it's what it is what is California cheers it's this eyes cheers to California sober what is this you tap the thing

I think it's like knocking on wood. Oh, I love that. I'm never going to be able to not do that now. I don't know why. I think some people do it. I've just seen people do it. Now it's just a habit, but I especially like when it's on wood. Brat was on all summer. What's your favorite song? I love Guess. So Guess was the song that got me into Brat, and then I had a moment with B2B. Love B2B. And then I really, really honed in on Everything is Romantic.

Everything is romantic is one that snuck up on me. Snuck up on me too. Never was interested in it. And then I was in the car with my friend and he played it. And I was like, what is this? Yeah, it's so good. And Sympathy is a Knife is one that snuck up on me as well. But honestly, the whole album, because we went to my friend Odessa's birthday party. Birthday party. It was like, what do we call it? We called it.

Odessa's DWOP. Odessa's Disneyland, Disney World Adventure Party. That's awesome. And we walked around with DWOP...

Like tank tops. Uh-huh. It was very, we were not, we were not G rated. Uh-huh. There was always like a constant concern that we were never going to get invited back. Uh-huh. To Disney. To Disney. Yes. Yes. And, but that was, I think that was like the week or the weekend that Brat came out. Uh-huh. It was on repeat. It was on repeat.

I just, like, remember. Do you like the remix album as well? I do. Some of it. Okay. So the remix album, when you start to see the remix album as a direct response to Brat and the success of Brat, it hits so different. It's really good. The Everything Else Romantic remix. That's my favorite. Is my favorite, too. Yeah, it's my favorite. That's my favorite, too, just because, like.

The first one, Everything is Romantic, is all about like the sunset and Capri and partying. And then the next one is like finding pleasure in like the wall. Yeah, like free bleeding in the autumn rain. I love wall. Yeah, I love wall. I love wall. And I love sit. Thankfully, I love wall. Thankfully, I have sit. I have sit. I have sit. But yeah, Brat really soundtracked the summer. I hope we have another fun summer though.

I know this one is kind of iconic. I don't know. You can't want that. And especially for like this year for music. Was everything. And now none of them are going to release for so long. It's going to suck. We should release our own. I would happily release something. Should we make our own? Yes. What should we do? We should call it sitting and standing.

Incredible. You're sitting on the cover and I'm standing. Okay, great. Yes. I like how little. That actually kind of eats. It kind of eats. It eats down. Yeah. Boots. Boots. But wait, so you were in Barcelona filming? Yes. How good is the food in Barcelona? Barcelona, I love tapas. Me too. So good. Do you like the tomato bread? I love. Oh my God, it's amazing. It's amazing, right? It's so good. The tomato bread is amazing. And also, the thing I loved about Barcelona was that the variety of food.

It's pretty vast. They have a lot. I love paella too. I love paella. The seafood's incredible. I'm such a seafood girly. Have you been to the Soho House in Barcelona? No, never. It's so nice. Is it awesome? Well, it's not like in Barcelona proper. It is like the best Soho House, but it's-

Like a little south. And it's the little hotel they have. It's very cute. Did you take any weekend trips when you were filming there? Like to any of the islands? I went to, I didn't go to any of the islands. I think that's next on my to-do. Me too. Do you want to go to Ibiza this summer? I would really love to. Okay. I love Ibiza. I've never been. I've never been either. Can we please? I want to do Bifa. Bifa? Bifa. Bifa. Bifa. Bifa.

Let's go. Let's go. I'm there. I'll be there like from until like June. Okay. I'll visit. I'm not doing anything in May. Wait, that's not true. I'm not doing anything in April and then I have half of May free. Okay. Period. Let's do it. Let's do that. I didn't do any of the islands. I didn't, I did Greece and then what else did I do? I went up to a friend of mine and his husband and

They bought a little chateau in the south of France, and they redid it. Gorgeous. As, like, a B&B. Oh. So at the end, we just went to Toulouse, and we spent, like, three, four days. We did pottery. We didn't have time for horseback riding, but there's, like, caves there. We hung out. We did yoga every morning, which...

I didn't do yoga ever more. I signed up. I don't either. I signed up for it because I liked the idea of it. But about 10 minutes in.

Every morning I just left while everybody's eyes were closed. Yeah, it's just not happening Yoga is a lot for me. And also when last time I did yoga, like I was like, wait, why is this hard? Like I didn't sign up for yoga to be hard. I'm tired. It's really hard I thought it was like meditation almost and I thought I was supposed to like silence my mind But I can't silence my mind. I can't silence my mind and I can't silence my mind long enough to do whatever What is it warrior doggy pose? What is it called?

Yeah, Shavasana. Shavasana. I hate Shavasana. Yeah, Shavasana. I used to do it during Core Power, which I used to do Core Power, by the way. Oh, I'm impressed. Way back in the day. And I hated it. No, I can't. You know what I used to like and now I hate and I don't understand why I ever liked it? It's like hot yogurt or hot Pilates. Okay, so for me. Yo, you like it. I like it when I'm feeling myself and I can take off my shirt. If I can't take off my shirt and I'm not in that headspace, fuck that. No, fuck that.

Like I was working out today. Sorry, what were you about to say? I just get dizzy. Yeah, I get dizzy too. I don't like that. I get dizzy too. Wait, what are you? Sorry, my mind's racing, but that's because I'm a little tipsy. But what? When you were sort of. Yes. What are you watching on TV right now besides Trader? Oh, what am I watching? You're watching Severance.

No, because people are telling me they're scared of it. Well, yeah, but it's amazing. Okay. It's also not that scary. Yeah. It's not that scary. It's just a little like jarring to see and be like, oh my God, this is possible. I'm not watching Severance, but I was watching their pop up. How cool was that? I really liked that. How cool was that? I thought that was sick. That was really cool. I thought that was like 10 out of 10 marketing. Yeah. But also I was thinking about the actors in there and I was like,

Yeah. But you'd crush that. It would be really fun. It would just look... It was so unique. It was so cool. Yeah, it was sick. It was like very... I love marketing like that. It is very good. What are you watching? I'm watching Severance. Oh, shit. Besides Severance. I'm watching... Have you ever seen The Night Agent? Yes. Okay, I just... That's my current nighttime show. Yeah. So I've been watching that to go to bed. It's very fitting. Yeah, just like... It's like a spy government thriller. Like, it'll put me to bed. And then...

I think that's about it. I'm watching Old Housewives of New York. I mean, that's like comfort. Which I've never seen before, so I'm really, really enjoying it. I'm watching Salt Lake, which you need. Oh, wait. Actually, I have been told that I need to watch Salt Lake. Salt Lake's the best one. Salt Lake. Hands down, Salt Lake is the greatest, greatest one. It is.

Just excellent television. What else is something that I love watching? I want to watch the new Dexter. Oh, yes. I was watching that because I love my queen, Sarah Michelle. Oh, she is everything. I'm obsessed with her. She visited set, right? Yes. She did. And then she also goes to Allo all the time. Yeah. I see her all the time. Yeah. But I am obsessed with her. And what else? Oh, I also just started for the first time Curb Your Enthusiasm. Oh.

I've seen a little bit of it. I've seen like a season and it is so funny. Unreal. Yeah. I didn't realize that Jerry Seinfeld was based off of Larry David. He is? That's what I have been told. Is that correct? Wait, I did not know that. It reminded me of when the clip where you're like, wait, you're knowing me? You're knowing my stuff. Oh, to Phineas. Yes.

Well, because I just wasn't expecting Phineas to come in here and tell me he knows I do Pilates. I love Phineas and Claudia. I love him. They're the best. I saw him. I saw him the other night, and I just remember being so drunk, but his breath smelled so good. And I remember just keeping like, your breath smells amazing. I need to see what he uses. That's what I said. So then I was like, you know what? I need gum. So then I went up to him, and I was like, do you have gum? I thought it would cap off the joke. And he goes, no.

And I go, got it. You're right. Of course. Right. Got it. So. Yes. One thing. Okay. I had this idea. Okay. It's never going to happen. When I was over shooting, do you know Sam Lansky? Yes. Okay. He's the Time Magazine guy, right? Yeah. He's so cool. I die for him. Yeah. But we have decided we're starting the Madeline Klein School of Education.

And Sam is teaching everything pop culture. Ooh, I would go to that. Gabrielle is teaching how to walk. Yeah, I would need that as well. Jen and I, Jen, Kate, and Robinson and I are doing dual teaching a class on how to come to Diva Slay. Okay. I love that. Yes. I can't remember what other classes I was teaching. But also, I feel like you need a class. My class would be...

Peyton, what would my class be? What is it? Jake was teaching in the Madeline School of Education. We have walking. We have pop culture.

Oh yeah, I would teach how to complain. The art of complaining. That's actually really good. Yeah, I would teach the art of complaining and why it's beautiful and why it's healthy. I complain about everything. No, that's really good. That's good. And we would call it Therapist 101. Yes, Therapist 101. Therapist. They're a loathed 101. Yes, and I would teach you how to complain

Artfully. Yes. Because there's a certain level to complaining where like you cross a line and it's like, no, now you're just ungrateful. Right. And I crossed that line so many times. And you have to know like it's what is, what is acceptable. Right. Socially acceptable. And like, it's like you have to, every complaint has to have a level of humility and comedy to it. Yeah. You have to, you kind of have to be a bit. Wait, I love the Madeline Klein School of Education. Yes. I'm like, you know, in my mind it will happen. I think it will. I,

I would take all of Sam's classes on pop culture. Oh, it's really important. He wrote the piece on Taylor Swift. No. Yes. Awesome. Really, really incredible. Awesome. I loved that piece so much. I kind of think he's like headmaster. Yeah, he is headmaster. Yeah. He like, and then Lucas needs to be in there. Lucas can teach acting as well. Lucas needs to teach because he's so good. Have you seen Companion? Not yet. It's,

Good. Is it out in theaters? Yes. Okay. I'll see Companion. I really want to see it because Sophie Thatcher's in it as well. And she's beautiful. I can't stop staring at her face. Do you watch Yellow Jackets? No. You've got to watch Yellow Jackets. I know. I need to. That's scary though. Yeah. But is it scary or is it thriller? It's thriller. It's just like the idea of what humans are capable of is scary. Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's good. Yellow Jackets is amazing. That's like psychological. It's one of those that I watched from the jump and I was...

Have you seen Girls? Yes. That's my favorite show of all time. I love Girls. That show like changed me as a human. I also really like Broad City. Okay. So I started Broad City. I got a few seasons in and then I stopped I think to watch – I forget. I ended up – oh, you know what? I was catching up on Industry.

Oh, I have not seen that. Oh my God. Talk about cunty. That is the best show ever. Really? Yes. Oh my God. It's like all they do is like trade stocks and do drugs. And it's like the cuntiest thing. I need that. There's this character named Yaz. And like she is, Louise, how much do you love Yaz?

Like, it'll change your industry, will change your life. Have you seen West Wing? No. Okay, I have had people tell me I need to watch West Wing. One of my friends can literally, you can say, what is the name of West Wing season two, episode five? And she can tell you exactly what the name of the episode is. What's West Wing about? It's like that older show, right? Perchance. Yeah. Or are we thinking of West World? West Wing. I also love West World. I've never seen West World. I love sci-fi. Okay. I like West World...

Westworld season one and two to me were... Maybe three. I can't remember. They're all blending together. But I thought Westworld when it came out was probably like the most...

Incredible TV. I just, I love sci-fi. Okay. I also really like sci-fi. So good. Okay. So if you love sci-fi, would you, do you ever watch shows with subtitles? Cause it's in another language. Would you ever? Yes. Have you ever seen dark on Netflix? I love dark. It's my favorite show of all time. It's so good. It's my favorite show of all time. And they don't, there's no season two. It's just. No, it's three seasons. You've only seen season one. What? Yes. It's three seasons and season two is the best.

Your life's about to be changed forever. Yes, because I remember watching the first season thinking my life... No, you think that will change your life? First of all, it's a trilogy of seasons. It left a hole in my heart. No, Dark is... I remember watching that during COVID and being like, this show has changed my life. 100%. It's changed how I view time. It's changed how I view science. It is the best show. One of the best shows I've ever seen. I'm so excited. No, you have to. But you have to re-watch season one. I will. Just do it.

Just to like remind you of like. I think I've watched it three times. Yeah. But I will watch it fourth. Oh, it's so good. Thank God. Okay, tell me. The world is healing. Okay, let's, we'll talk about what's wrong now. Tell me what's wrong. Yes. My boyfriend of three years just dead ass proposed at a family dinner. Dead ass. Dead ass.

Mind you, we haven't even really been talking about it too seriously. And he just did it in front of his whole family. Not both of ours, just his. Selfish. Like I had to say, can we talk privately and then explain this is insane? What the hell do I do?

I just feel like I need more context. Like, was this at a family dinner? Like, a Sunday afternoon family dinner? Like, were you just at... It sounds like they were at a family dinner of sorts, but for only his family. And he, like, excused himself, got up, and got down on one knee? Yeah. That's giving narcissism to me. It's giving weird. It's giving weird. I don't know about that one. I would say maybe break up. I would say don't say yes. Right? I would say say no. Also, that sounds like...

I don't want to be proposed in front of the family dinner table. Right? Like, it's just awkward. You know what it's giving? Have you ever seen Miss Americana? Yes. Okay, so there's a scene in the Taylor Swift does a meet and greet and a fan proposes to his fiance and it comes out later. Have you heard about this? It comes out later that she ends up being like, no, no.

So like you just need to be like, no. But it sounds like she was already like, no. Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like you're already on the fence, babe. It also was giving like he did it in front of his family as like a guilt tactic. Like, how old are we? I don't know.

People are getting married young these days. Young. Very young. And it's bugging me out. It's freaky. Well, I'm also like, everyone always said, you know, you're going to, they always said, I'm at that age where everyone's getting married and now I'm here. Oh, cool. Right. Right. Great. You know, I've never had a boyfriend. Ever? Ever. Are you the type that would like ask or would you want to be asked?

I would want to be asked. Same. I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's what I want. But I've never had a boyfriend. I tell everybody this, but like, I think it's, I don't know what it is. I think I keep going on these business dates. I mean, it's kind of like, I understand. It's kind of shit. It's shit here. And that's why I want to run around New York. I mean, that's, that's fair. And that's hot. And I want to be a slut. I want to do it. Like origin. Hey, Jake. I'm wonderful guest.

Period. You. What do I do if I want to get into the school plays but I'm too embarrassed to get up there when neither the theater kids or my current friend group know it's a passion of mine? You have to get after it. You have to get after it. Get after it. It's my number one regret in my entire life is not pursuing theater as much as I wish I did. I also will say not to scare you, but doing theater in school when I was in school did traumatize me. Did it really? Yes. What play did you do?

The Fantastic Mr. Fox and the Technicolor Coat one. Did like pretty intricate plays. Yeah. And then also it was one about like history and they made me, they cast me as Jackson Pollock and I was like 10 and they put me in a bald cap. What? Yes.

You were doing like very in-depth plays as a 10 year old. Yeah. And I, but also like nothing, I was really passionate about us, you know? Right. I wanted to be cat. Oh. And then you ever, did you ever see the Sandlot? I was cast as Icebox, which is the girl who's like the tomboy. And they were like, cause I was, I was trying to be cast as, you know, a little thingy.

Right, right. Like something. And they're like, no, we're going to put a helmet on you and you're going to tackle this guy. And I was like, okay, cool.

It just overall, which I had no problem with it. It was fun, but it was pretty traumatic. It was not, I was straight up not having a good time. But at least you tried. I tried. So I recommend this girl try. Yes. I don't take what I say. And you know what I would prescribe? What? Glee. Glee. Because everybody in that show just fucking tries. That's all they do is try. All they do. Were you a Gleek? I was, well, the show, yes. I was such a Gleek. I was the biggest Gleek ever.

I love it. I mean, it's iconic. It is iconic. So iconic. And re-watching it, it's like, this is the most out-of-pocket shit I've ever seen in my entire life. It's so out-of-pocket. I mean... No, it's, like, insane. It's insane. The things that they did inside... I mean, it's just... Do you remember when they, like, all took Adderall and performed? Oh, yeah. I know.

Like, it's amazing. When they pushed Archie into the pool? Yes! They pushed Archie into the pool and then they all did a musical number in wheelchairs. That was not nice. No, it was fucked up. It was so fucked. Oh, my God. Fucked up. I prescribe Glee. Also, but, I mean, can we just, like, let's take... Here, cheers to Jane Lynch. Cheers to Jane Lynch. Eyes. Eyes. Eyes. You know who she dressed like in Glee is the...

One of the villains from Despicable Me. The one in like the orange. Gru? No. Vector. Vector. She always kind of dressed like Vector. Yeah. My best friend hates me. There's nothing more to say. I thought you were going to say.

I forgot you were reading. Sorry. No, no. Imagine. Oh, she's gone. My best friend hates me. There's nothing more to say. He would never say it out loud, but it's a general animosity. You know, girl so confusing style. He just aggressively negative towards me constantly. We've been friends for seven years and I once stepped away from the friendship, but he wanted me right back. Okay. It's giving.

We need to talk. Right. We need to talk. I don't think there's honest conversations happening in this friendship at all. There's definitely not honest conversations happening, but also you need to address this. Right. I feel like there is some passive aggressive behavior towards me. Try to work it out on the remix. Yeah. I would literally prescribe Girls So Confusing the remix with Lorde. Absolutely. And you sit down and listen to it together. Right. Because sometimes you say you walk like a bitch. Yeah.

When I was 10, someone said that. And it's just self-defense. Just self-defense until you're building a weapon. I felt that one. Yeah. I think you need to talk about it. And if you tried to distance yourself from the friendship and they wanted you right back, it also might just be that you are kind of a crutch and you might also be a punching bag. But you need to address it. Right.

I agree. Address. Address the situation. Address. And listen to Girls Look Confusing featuring Lorde. My boyfriend is currently working on the big mustache mullet combo. I can't stand it. He's also not the type to shave just because I told him to, which I'm currently loving and hating. Help me hatch a scheme to get him to think shaving was his idea. I'm bored. Let's play with Nair. Have you done that?

Have you seen the episode of Gossip Girl where, what's their name? I think they, like, pour an air on somebody's head. I prescribe that, that episode of Gossip Girl. Totally. Yeah. I think if you think it's his idea. Okay, so what I would do, this is what, I feel like we're talking about Peyton so much. This is what Peyton does. When she, for example, she's going to Milan in a few weeks. So she picked up her phone yesterday and said, Milan, Milan, Milan, Milan, Milan, Milan, Milan, because she wanted people. Oh.

on her Raya to show up as Milan. Wow. And it did. Oh, it always works. I love FBI man. You have to take your boyfriend's phone and say like shaving risks or shaving benefits, shaving benefits, shaving benefits, shaving benefits, shaving benefits, mustache ugly, mullet ugly, mullet ugly. Am I also the only one that kind of like loves a mullet? I love a mullet. I think a mullet's really hot. Like not a fuck ass mullet. Yeah. But like a little bit of a mullet. Yeah, like a like a like a

A whisper of a mullet. A whisper of a mullet. And I love a mustache. My best friend Will had a mustache for the past few weeks. And every time we picked up the phone, I said, I would always say, you look amazing. Sometimes. It depends on the person. Right. It definitely is like an acquired. It is an acquired taste. Yes. But. All.

Also, like maybe she doesn't like kissing him with the mustache because it tickles. I don't love that. Yeah, that's like that could be a sensory issue, which I understand. There's nothing wrong with sensory issues. But I would prescribe like, yeah, speaking into a phone and getting him to, you know. Right. Yeah. Speaking to the phone, maybe like kind of just like affirmations, like before you go to sleep and when you wake up.

Or how to get my boyfriend to shave. I've got an idea. This is so toxic. You need to start like subtly making comments about celebrity guys that are hot and all of them are shaved. That's a good idea. So then he's like. Yeah, the power of suggestion is very real. It's like this guy's so hot. This guy's so hot. And then he'll start to put together that they're all shaved. He could like be like, oh my God, Phil Collins is so hot. Yeah, Phil Collins is the hottest. What song does he have?

I'm on my way. Oh, yeah. That's. Yeah. Wait. Is it? No. Or is that Brother Bear? Brother Bear. Damn. Yeah. Deep cut. Talk about a deep cut. My boyfriend never stands up for me. We've spoke. Full stop. Full stop.

Bitch. Have you ever been in a situation like that before? Yes. And what happens? Piss me off. They're pissed. Yeah. Guess what happened? Broke up. Yeah. Like that makes me mad. She says, my boyfriend never stands up for me. We've spoken about it before and he's just scared about people's opinions on him a lot. He says all, he says he's all in with me and I love him to death. But when his friends literally give me shit for no reason and he sits there, it hurts like a bitch. Angry puss.

So just break up. Because if he's not ready to stand up for you, he's not ready for a relationship. He's not going to stand up for you. He's not going to sit down for you. Yeah. And we love sitting. But I don't like that. Because if he doesn't, that just means, let's be so honest, he doesn't value you enough to stand up for you. He values his own relationship.

His own like self-image above you absolutely yeah Yes, he cares about his own ego more than he cares about your feelings, and that's only gonna get worse It's never gonna get better. It's not it's not gonna get better. I hate to be the bearer of bad news so break up break up I'm sorry

I'm trying to get more into movies and music to become an intellect like you, Jake, because I had this like whole thing when I was an intellect. But IDK, where to start? What is essential viewing and listening to start becoming a more intellectual? So I actually always have this answer. Watch. This is what I've been trying to do. All the nominees for best picture for the Academy Awards this year. That way, it's just like it's almost like a clean slate. Totally. It's all topical. You can talk about it with anyone and they will think you're smart. Yeah.

I forgot the question. That's the answer, so no worries. Let's see. Also, like, get into, like, Phoebe Bridgers, like, you know, like, Lucy Dacus, like, singer-songwriter types, like, folk music. Like, that's intellectual. And also, you know what I love is Reddit. Like, go. No.

No, you don't love Reddit. Reddit's like banned in my house. I'm so sorry. Wait, why do you love Reddit? Well, because if you have a question like, hey, like I would love to like, what are, what are like, what's your opinion on great artists or great like movies? Okay. You know, like, you know, kind of like that. Right. I think it's because then it's kind of like a thread and you can kind of see why people love what in different tastes. Right. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

No, yes, yes, yes. Reddit is good in that sense. Yes. It can also just be so gossipy. I mean, Reddit's so toxic. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But if you're looking for quick answers, sometimes I do that. No, I look up like best...

Housewives of New York seasons rank best to worst. 100%. And it'll give me lists with reasons. Yes. Yes. I took the guy I'm hooking up with to my sorority formal and this girl who he used to talk to came up to him and dumped a drink on his head. I'm feeling really awkward. Like, do I ask why or is this a sign to run? Ask her why. Yes.

Ask her why. Don't ask him why he'll lie. He will. Absolutely. He's going to lie. He's going to make up some bullshit. Yeah. Has that ever happened to any of you guys? No, I've actually never seen like a drink dumped on someone in person. I have. My friend Alex, we were in Florida. Wait, is this Alex Earl? Yes. And I think I

of the lore. Yes. So we were out at... Oh, no. Was it a Margaritaville? No, where were we? That's so iconic. It was a Fat Tuesdays. We were at a Fat Tuesdays. Ruby Tuesdays? No, a Fat Tuesdays. I have never been to Fat Tuesdays before in my life. I've never heard of it. They have like...

Like little slushy machines full of alcohol. It's awesome. Incredible. And so Alex had a giant slushy full of alcohol. Delicious. What flavor? I forget, but mine was blue raspberry. Yum. And this guy came up to us and started like basically like trash talking her boyfriends in sports terms. She said, okay. And flicked open her thing, her slushy and dumped it on his head. So that's the one time I've seen that happen. And it was electric.

It was awesome. I was like, damn, that was cool. That's like, that is such a cinematic moment. It really set up our night for success. What song was playing? Do you remember? No, I just remember being like, everyone was like, I think Alex just dumped a drink on him. And I was like, I think she did too. I think like. And then she was like, yeah. And then we went to the next bar. You know the instrumental of Von Dutch that people are like using as a sound on TikTok? I wish I had it. Oh, yeah. Damn, I like this sound. Will you send that to me, Louise? Yeah. Yeah.

That's what I imagine when I think about someone pouring a slushie. Like, some shit's about to go down, and then it turns into, like, a Project X night. Yeah. Have you ever had a Project X night? No.

Not in a very long time, but... You should throw a house party. And I'm planning on having many Project X nights. Wait, I'm here. I'm sat. Please come. And I'm going to show up. I literally, like... Wait, please? Yes. Okay, cool. No, it's happening. You remember those little, like, little things with four wheels that you sat on in gym when you scoot around on the floor? Yes. I have a bunch of those. Wait, please. So we could just get, like, you know, a little drunky and then scoot around on the floor. Yes. Okay.

Have a house party. Okay, fine. I will. Please. This weekend. Okay. Low key, I think I'm starting to like my friend. I might be crazy, but I keep looking at a friend I didn't find attractive before and thinking, hear me out. But I know we would never do anything and we both crush on the same people, so I hardly think he would ever like me back. Help. This is a really good one for me because I feel like I'm the queen of hear me out. Okay. I think we should prescribe the song Can Friends Kiss by Camila Cabello.

I haven't listened to that one. Oh, it's amazing. Love. It's amazing. We have to prescribe that. That's just like the perfect song for it. Can friends kiss our ex? Bye, Camila Cabello. So I was with my boyfriend and he told me that he has booked a lad's holiday. I'm British. And he goes away on my birthday. Am I valid for being so, so upset or do I need to just get over it? Please help. You are so valid. It's not even funny.

Oh, really? Her boyfriend booked a holiday on her birthday? Oh, on the birth... I didn't hear that part. Yes, on the birthday. Oh, yeah, on your birthday. Yeah, it's kind of giving when Sandoval booked or went to Vegas with all the boys just to, like, a construction zone so they could drive tractors in a big dirt pit. They did that? Yes, after Ariana's birthday. Like, that's fucked up. Like...

Or maybe on her birthday, but it's fucked up. It's fucked up. He's not, I don't like that. No, ma'am. Also, like, is he so insecure in his relationship with his guy friends that he's too embarrassed to be like, it's my girlfriend's birthday? Yeah. I also feel like that's a very normal thing. Like I, if my, if my boyfriend's birthday was also on a scheduled on a boy's trip or a girl's trip, sorry.

I would be like, hey guys, can we reschedule? Can we push? I have a prior commitment. Or I just can't go. Yeah. I think that's fine. I would prescribe a very intense conversation or a breakup. Yeah. Very intense conversation. Respect is needed. Respect is needed. I prescribe respect by Aretha Franklin. Thank you. We have this girl who's been our friend for too long and it's our sophomore year in college and we need to drop her because it's exhausting and draining our social batteries. Never drop someone. Never drop someone.

How do we go about this since our formula is coming up and it's creating more problems? I would say dropping someone is like so diabolical. Dropping someone as a group is not mean girl energy. As a group is really diabolical. It's mean. As an individual, there are probably very, very good reasons. But as a group, like... It's herd mentality. It's not it. It's also like... It's one thing if it happens because everybody, like it's just...

Right. But as a group, because like you just, you need to have a conversation. You need to have a conversation. And it can't be like, we feel this way. It's about you. I feel this way. Right. We, cause if it's we, it's like you're, you're ganging up. You're going to, she's going to get defensive. Right. That's just an attack.

I prescribe not dropping her as a group and figuring out your shit individually. And also, I prescribe don't do it before a big event because then you're going to make her feel like shit. Oh, it's so mean. I don't miss that. Yeah. It's so fucking mean. It's tough. Group dynamics are very tough. They're diabolical. Super diabolical. Well, that was our last Tell Me What's Wrong. Damn. I really liked those. I liked those too. That was fun. Madeline, what did we learn today? Everything and nothing. I learned that I need to read ACOTAR.

Actor. Actor. Yes. I also learned, yeah, and that you love to sit. Love to sit. What did you learn today? I learned, what did I learn? I learned that we, I think we probably handle confrontation very, very similarly. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. And we will probably never be mad at each other. Ever. Because we're going to sit down and do this. Every single time.

And also I learned that you have drama that you need to tell me about right after we wrap. Oh, that's so true. I can't wait to tell you. I'm excited. Okay, well that's it. That's it. You want to give a little bye pussies? Bye pussies. Bye pussies. Thanks, Madeline. I love you. I love you. He's got you up. He's slaying and he's shook. It's Therapist, Therapist, Therapist, Therapist.