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Hi pussies and welcome back to Therapus. I am finally back from tour. I slept almost, I slept 19 hours the day I got back.
So I definitely needed the rest. I was exhausted. But that was just the first leg of Live with Jake Shane. We start the second leg May 16th. I am really, really, really excited. But yeah, I definitely missed my bed and I missed my roommates and everyone here. But I had so much fucking fun on tour. Like I really, really learned how to like balance stuff on the road and, you know, like
I finally... I worked out. Like, you know, I feel like I handled myself better. This week's therapist is with Caitlin Deaver. She is in one of my favorite TV shows of all time, Dope Sick. More recently, she was Belle Gibson in Apple Cider Vinegar, which is about a real person, Belle Gibson. And she basically...
pretended that she cured her terminal brain cancer through like healthy eating. And it was a crazy story. And she's from Australia. But yeah, that's what Apple Cider Vinegar is about. So Caitlin Deaver plays this con woman, Belle Gibson, and like through her lies and eventually being found out. And it's fascinating. She's also recently announced that she's going to be in season two of The Last of Us, which is one of my favorites.
favorite shows as well. I just think she's so talented and I'm so happy I got to talk with her. I think she's so fucking cool and like so humble and like awesome. I'm just, she's great and I'm really excited for you guys to get to know her if you don't. To see if I'm coming to a city near you, go to pastthatpuss.com and click live with Jake Shane and to submit a tell me what's wrong, go to pastthatpuss.com click tell me what's wrong and tell me what's wrong. Submit a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Enjoy the episode. I love you pussies. ...
Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Today, we have one of my favorite actresses. I fell in love with her in Booksmart and Dopesick, but I recently got to see her shine in Apple Cider Vinegar. She has also recently announced that she is going to be in the new season of The Last of Us. And I think this is announced, right? That you're in the new Godzilla? It is announced. It is announced? Great. And she's also in the new Godzilla. Welcome, Caitlin Dever. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here. I'm just going to take my shoes off because...
off those are so cute little thank you slipper thanks i bought them for a deal i bought that i know i bought them for tour uh last year and i wear them every single day the best thing is when you purchase something and like you're like i really hope this is worth it because it's expensive and you end up using it every single day yeah it's like it's it's an investment it is an investment it really is so you were just in apple cider vinegar yes which i recently just started great the
It's the craziest story of all time. It really is. It's a little bit... It's really such a whirlwind kind of story. And it's based off a true story, right? Yes. Yes. Well, so yes, it is a true story. We're kind of saying it's a true story based on a lie, is how they started off every episode. But it really... I really felt like a lot of freedom in taking on the role because the...
writer, creator Sam Strauss was so adamant about creating our own version of Belle Gibson. Right, right. So I didn't feel like so much pressure to like, you know, because I don't even think we will ever really know who the real Belle Gibson is. But it is a, she really did do that. She really did. Did she, has she said anything about the show? No. She hasn't reached out or? No. No.
I'd know nothing about where she is. I know nothing. That's crazy. Yeah, I never talked to her before. I was even just for the first time, because on Netflix, I was like, okay, I got to watch something other than Gilmore Girls on Netflix. So I looked at the top, and I know our show was up in the top 10 for a while. I think it still might be, but now the docuseries that they made on Belle Gibson in 2023 is like
global top three on Netflix and I started watching that for the first time. I knew it existed when I was doing the show but like
I was like, I don't need to do research on this anymore. But I'm actually just like fascinated on what this is. I never watched it before. Oh my God, wait, no way. Yeah, I just didn't want to be too tied to her like mannerisms and everything. I mean, I was only really pulling from that pink turtleneck 60-minute interview that she did. I don't know if you watched that. I reenacted it in the show. And that was one little thing that I wanted to kind of get exactly right because it is just –
it's bonkers. Yeah, it really is. So, and she has the, just this bright, you, I mean, you saw it in the show, but like the turtleneck is real and the lip gloss is so real. I mean, there's just so much lip gloss. I had to get those, those points right for sure. But yeah, it was the, the docuseries is really interesting. Wait. So how did you prepare for the role? If not like looking at her mannerisms and all of that, because you kind of nailed her.
Thank you. I mean, yeah, I was, I wanted to pull from the, I guess, the essence of Belle Gibson and what she seemed to be like online and that kind of image she put out there. But it was really all in the scripts, like the writer just kind of really wrote and so detailed
like each character so specifically and like they really did have their own voice. And even when I watched it for the first time, when it like premiered on Netflix and it's just so cool to like click on a show that you're on and it's on Netflix, just as kind of like a surreal thing. Like, Oh, I'm in the show and I get to click, click on it and watch it. Um,
But when I was watching it back, there were certain lines I didn't even realize at the time, but they're just so specifically Belle. And that is just the magic of Sam and how brilliant she is. And it really did feel like there was a lot of the work was already done for me. And yeah, just like the accent, I was like, I just was a nervous wreck doing that. And so I felt like really, I had to get that down too. And that did also really like, I think...
That really did help me get into like, like seep into the bones of who this woman was in a lot of ways. It made me feel like a totally different person. How hard was the accident to nail down? Because I was talking with someone the other day and I'm pretty sure they said that the Australian accident is like so, so difficult to do. Yeah, it was. It is one of the hardest things.
Um, accents. I've, I've done a few other accents. This is one of the hardest accents I've ever had to do. Right. Um,
It's just such a weird, I mean, not to, I love the accent, but it is such a weird accent and like really feels like when it's in your mouth. Yeah. Well, when it surely, when it feels weird in your, like it doesn't feel like nothing about it feels natural at all. And it was really difficult. How did you like prepare? Like how did you see a dialect coach? I did see a dialect coach. I have to mention her name. Her name is Jenny Kent. And she really, I really could not have done it without her.
But yeah, we would sort of, I mean, we prepped like three months before we started shooting and she, we just sort of like took it in baby steps and she sort of taught me the basics of the accent and,
And then we started doing, going over lines and she would, you know, read, she's an Australian woman herself. And so she would read a lot of my lines to me. And then I feel like I also have like a, I think having a music ear helped me in a lot of ways, but it kind of also was like, I was really my biggest bully at the time just because I was so hot. I would like,
nitpick every single little sound that would come out of my mouth. And then I would talk to the dialect coach about it. I'm like, are you sure? This isn't sounding right. That take was bad. And she's like, no, I don't, you know. And we would just really talk it out, each take. And it was really like a, it was very detailed, which I wanted to be because I really didn't like, it's such a gigantic accent to take on that I didn't want to miss.
disappoint people and the people of Australia. Well, I literally thought you were Australian. So I think you did a good job. Thank you. I was like, I was Caitlin Devers coming on. My friend was like, she's Australian. And I was like, that makes so much sense because her accent was so good in apple cider vinegar. The opposite of Australian. You're from Arizona. I'm literally from Arizona. Not Australia. Both start with A's.
But was it hard to go in and out of that accent, like from take to like not take? Yeah. Yeah. I was deciding what I was going to do beforehand. I was like, I've never had to do this kind of accent before. So I really was like, there was no real formula for this or for me specifically. I didn't know what was going to be right for me. And I kind of thought about that. I just don't know if something about that felt like,
don't think I can actually do that because there's so much of the like working experience and being on set is to me really the community and the family that you build when making these things and it would be really hard for me to feel like I'm really connecting with my peers and the people at work if I'm like accent the whole time. Because it's not who you actually are. Right and that would be really hard for me and I
Yeah. So I, and I, I did it. I stayed away from doing that, but I, so I was popping in and out and I think I had, I, yeah, like I go back to the music thing cause I think I really was memorizing it almost like a song and like the accent felt like singing like notes to me in a lot of ways. Um,
So, yeah, but I was going in and out. And that was fun. Like, it wasn't, that wasn't too hard. I think it was just, like, the emotional journey that I had to go on in that show was probably the hardest part from day to day. What was so hard about the emotional journey? It's really just, like, such a roller coaster. She's all over the place. And, you know, within a day, I was, like...
you know, singing acapella in front of a group of, like, Katy Perry and a group of people. I was, like, crying and screaming and yelling all in one day, and it was just kind of, it was just, like, just a lot to handle and manage, but I did create a spreadsheet for this kind of thing, and I do tend to, I've done that once before on a job, and it's helpful for, like,
because we were jumping around in time a lot on this show. And like literally in a day I'd be in, you know, 2015 Belle and 2011 Belle and 2012 Belle all in one day. And so I felt like I really needed to...
And there was also like, I don't know if you noticed my different teeth. Yeah. Yeah. I had different teeth. So like I was popping different fake teeth in and out. Um, did she, so, but what the, the spreadsheet, what does that spreadsheet look like? Like how does that help you manage? So the spreadsheets, first of all, I did not create that Google doc. My sister definitely helped me. Uh, Maddie, thank you so much. Um,
I am not, for some reason out of my, out of my, like the three of us, I have two sisters and like, I have no, I have no skills there. I have no skills in organization. I want to be organized and I'm organized a little bit up here, but in terms of like,
laying that down or working it on a computer, that's never going to happen. But like, are you, but you can like memorize lines, you know? And that's about all I can manage. So that all I can do. But, um, no, I, I, she helped me. We got on FaceTime while I was in Australia. I was like, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta reel it in here. This is a lot. Um, and so I would take it
episode by episode and like each scene I would write, okay, this scene is set in 2011. Okay. This scene is set in 2015. Um,
She just had her miscarriage. Okay. And then the scene before that, like I would make those sort of notes. And then I would also leave a, um, like an open space for what I actually ended up. Cause I have a plan for what I'm going to do, but sometimes that plan, um, changes like,
you know, if the director or writer wants to do something different or your, your, your fellow, you know, scene partner wants to do something different. And so then I would write down what changes were made just so that I could keep track of where I was and where I should go. You know, it was just a way of like making sure I was like in control of, in control of everything. Yeah.
No, but it makes sense. Was there, like, a year specifically in the story that was, like, the hardest to switch back and forth from? There was Ringworm Bell, where I had to have, like, ringworm all over my face for a while. I mean, it was all, I think, probably, like... No, I mean, all of it was relatively, like, all, like, challenging. It was... Yeah. Each year was kind of challenging for certain reasons and different reasons. I don't know. I think...
Jumping back, just the nature of jumping back and forth was a tiny bit difficult. But I think it was more about, like, I would take it scene by scene because sometimes I really think of her as like a chameleon and kind of an actor, honestly. And she would kind of transform herself around different people. And so that's what I really wanted to make sure I was achieving was just...
Yeah, just how she was really a shapeshifter in many ways around different people to really get what she wanted. You also, like, the roles I've seen you in are all, like, so incredibly different. So, like, I am really, like, speaking of shapeshifting, like, curious to hear about, like, what is your normal prep for a role like? Really? Okay, well, I mean, it definitely changes. It changes a lot. Like, I really, and I think it's important to,
for me to yeah to keep it open and to be flexible because I also think that I tend to mold to whatever the certain director likes to do whether it's like I work with a director that doesn't like to rehearse and then I work with another director who does like to rehearse did I already say does or did I say doesn't okay right um
So I, but yeah, for, for books, book smart, it's like, it felt like the, the, the real sort of character work I had to do there was just like,
getting to know Beanie and living with her and eating pancakes with her and, and just making sure we were on top of our lines because Amy really felt like, like very similar to me in a lot of ways. So it didn't feel like such a jump. And it was really about like the, like the main character of that, that story is that it's their friendship. Yeah. But yeah, for dope sick, that was the other project that I did do a spreadsheet for. Cause again, that was like jumping all over the place in like we were, I mean, yeah, man, that was really, we were doing like,
scenes from episode eight and episode one all in one day sometimes. Yeah, it was really, and we would like switch because we'd have different directors for each episode. So like after we'd like have one director before lunch and then have a different director after lunch.
Wait, what? Is that how it works in television sometimes? You like when you're shooting like a show like that? Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it does. But like for Apple's Side of Vinegar, we had one director for the whole six episodes. But yeah, for something like Dope Sick, we had like, you know,
three different directors for all eight, I think there were eight episodes. How do you like switch your mindset from, remind me, I saw, I watched Opsic when it came out. What was your character's name in it again? Betsy. Betsy. How were you episode one Betsy and then episode eight Betsy in the same day? Because as for those who don't know, the character takes a very intense journey throughout the show. It was really bangs, no bangs, really. Right. Yeah.
No, it's much darker than that. I think it was, yeah, I wanted to keep track of the time, but also the withdrawals that she was going through. So sometimes she was doing a lot better and she was on the up and then she'd have relapse and withdrawals were really intense again. So I...
felt like I really needed to keep track of that and um but yeah a lot of it was like oh this is bang Betsy and then this is no bangs what was it like working with Michael Keaton I love him he's honestly like he has been and and and always like just been my one of my favorite actors ever I think
He's kind of, I mean, he's done so much work, but I also feel like we haven't gotten enough of Michael Keaton. Agreed. But I think that, like, that's why we love him so much. I think he, like, he does this, like, amazing movie, and then he kind of, like...
tucks away again. And there's something that I feel like, I don't know, I really admire that about him. Did you ever see the movie Jack Frost? Okay, no. And I feel like that's crazy of me because I feel like everybody's seen Jack Frost. Yeah. What's Jack Frost about again? I don't know. He like turns into a snowman. He's like man turned snowman. Is it a Disney one? I have no idea, honestly. But I just remember having this like
of him as a snowman. And when he turned into a snowman, he still looked like Michael Keaton because they still kept his eyebrows somehow. But no, I just was a fan of his. It was really like, if I'm to pick two actors that I really admired as a little kid, it would be Tony Collette and Michael Keaton. I love Tony Collette.
And I got to... It's just really kind of crazy that I got to work with both of them, like, pretty early on in my career, I'd say. And, yeah, but he's so cool. I like how...
He's really relaxed and he makes you feel relaxed when you're doing scenes with him. And I don't know, I just, I love, I just really liked his energy, like when we were working and then post the show coming out, I just loved how like,
I don't know. He's pretty, he was honestly like, he pretty careless about the whole press thing of it all. He really just wanted to be back home and chill in, which I really appreciate. Um, he seems like just, he's, yeah, he's one of the most down to earth people. I've like one of the most down to earth actors and people I've ever met. When you like are on a show that has like a more somber or a movie that has like a more somber tone, like is the, like,
Oh my God, I'm going to fuck this word up again. What's it? What is it? I'm with you. Subsequent. Oh. The subsequent. That's what I'm talking about.
The hard one. The subsequent. Good job. Thank you. I said subsequent in front of a really big group of people the other day. That doesn't sound right. And I said it. That sounds a little inappropriate. And I heard Louise go, subsequent. And I was like. And then I, it was just, it was super embarrassing. And then it was on the Hollywood Reporter. Oh, no. Well, like, me saying subsequent wasn't the headline. But, like, that was involved in the video. So I said subsequent. But subsequent. We're all just trying. We are trying. We are trying.
Some, me hard, I try very hard in a lot of, I don't know why I said that, I'm sorry. Really hard. Yes, and you do a really good job at it. So do you. Thank you, thank you. I am not holding this mic right in this whole interview, I'm sorry. How long have you been acting for? It's like the first time I've done a podcast. No, it's, you hold it however you want. How long have you been acting for?
I have been acting for, oh my God. Wait, I didn't sip this. Yeah, I know. I was about to say, wait, sip it. Okay. Well, I started working. I did my first movie when I was 11. What?
I had been doing commercial. I had gotten a lot of commercials like the year prior to that. So I guess I was like 10 when I first started like working. And I started doing acting classes in Texas. So I said I was from Arizona, but I moved to Texas when I was a baby. So I really don't consider Arizona my hometown in any sort of way or like where I grew up. Like Dallas, Texas is really kind of where I grew up.
I'm going there next week or this week for my show of my tour for my first. Oh my God. Yeah. Do you have any recommendations? Um, no, just because I was a child and I don't remember a lot. I remember my trampoline. I remember all of the childhood core memories, the snow and all of that. So I don't have any recommendations. I'm so sorry. It snows there.
I did not know that. No one knows that. It's weird. Like, it gets really cold in Texas. There's a real season change. It's because it's so big, Texas. I know. It really... Isn't Texas like the size of... Whatever. You moved to Dallas from Arizona. Well, you know.
We moved to Texas when I was just under two. Both my parents were figure skaters. I have to segue into this really quick because I just love their little story. My parents were figure skaters, and then my dad randomly, randomly got the job to be the new voice of Barney the Dinosaur. And yeah, it's a little fun fact about my life. No way! Yeah. Was it when Selena and Demi were on? I think he remembers...
I think he remembers going to like a table read or something with the two of them. It was like so early on that I don't know if he remembers, but I think he's, he's, yeah. But yeah. And so that's what moved us to, because they do their production out there. Ah.
And then I started doing, yeah, I started doing acting classes when I was nine. And was that because you were like, I want to act? Or was it just like an afternoon activity that your parents were like? It was really, I had to really beg my parents. Oh, really? I just had like such an urge all the time to like, like perform and mimic people. And I, yeah, I don't know. I just really, yeah.
I just had like a fascination with it. And I really wanted to be like Christy Carlson Romano from Even Stevens or That's So Raven or Lizzie McGuire. Like those girls, I just wanted to like be on Disney Channel. And I kind of thought that you could just like be on Disney Channel. Be on Disney Channel, but you can't. That's not how it works. I auditioned many times. What'd you audition for? They didn't let me in.
What did I audition for? There was a, I think, honestly, it was pre, I don't even know if I'm allowed to say this, but it was, it was like a show that then Ant Farm was supposed to, like they took, like there was a show that they were going to make and it was the cast of Ant Farm. And then it became Ant Farm. Yes, but it was not Ant Farm when I auditioned for it. It was like a completely different show and they did the pilot and it did not get picked up. And then they just took that cast and made a new show.
Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. I did like I did other like after school activities like ballet and dance and soccer. And I did figure skate. Also, I did compete because of my my parents. And I just really didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed like performing, like putting on plays with my sisters and.
um my dad literally like built us a little stage that's really sweet yeah um
It was really cute. Like a tiny, like a really, like elaborate. Like we had like curtains and everything. No way. Yeah. What place did you guys put on? We would make up our own. Are both your sisters actors as well? No, they definitely want to be in the film industry, I think, for sure. My middle sister is an amazing screenwriter. And then my littlest sister, by the way, when I told her,
I was like going down the, I didn't, I was not fully aware of your podcast. I'm just not with it. And what's, what's hip and you're so hip. Thank you. And my sister turned red when she, when she found out that I, yeah, she was like,
She was freaking out. Shout out to Jane. Shout out, Jane. She was so excited that I was going to be on your podcast. But yeah, she wants to be in like... She's actually styling, helping me get styled right now and picking out clothes for me. She's doing a great job. You look amazing. She makes her own clothes. She's amazing. She's an amazing woman. How old are your sisters? Jane is about to be 21. Maddie is 26. I always have to figure that out because I'm 28 and we're always...
Just we're just under two years. Right. Right. Right. Anyway, the stage, the stage, back to the stage. You guys would write your own plays. We would put on our own plays. And I really loved like performing with them. And I just loved like, I don't know. I just I really just I loved singing and kind of making a fool of myself all the time, embarrassing myself.
And I really, yeah, I really wanted, I knew acting was like a thing that you could do. And it's crazy to think back on, you know, being that young and knowing that this is what I want to do. Because that does not, I realize how rare that is. And that doesn't happen for everybody. And I really can't explain why I wanted to do it. But my mom...
when I first, I mean, she actually told me this like four or five years ago. She was like, um, cause I used, she said I used to stare at people, uh, like when I was little and she almost like, it got so bad at a point where she was like, I feel like I got to like tell her, she can't be doing that. Cause that's a little bit, she was like, this is,
this is really becoming like a consistent thing and then she she told me that I I realized you were probably doing I didn't ever stop you because I realized you were probably doing it for a reason which really is like so I think it's so beautiful but also yeah I really did I I was fascinated by by people's mannerisms and the way people walked and the way people sounded and I would make fun of my like elementary school teachers all the time like I you know I just um
like, I don't know. I was just fascinated by, by people and, and, and, and the idea of playing different people. And I think I, um, really, yeah, I wanted to explore that. And thankfully my parents allowed me to. So I went to, I started going to acting classes out in Texas and then an agent came out for like a kids like showcase where like kids would do like the same Skittles, um, monologue. Um,
and one of them, Skittles monologue. I can't remember it or recite it. There was something about like, taste the rainbow. Like it's just, there is just a monologue that I had to do in front of these people. And one of them was shout out to Cindy Osborne. Um, she is like a, yeah, I guess she was a child, a child actor agent. I guess that's how you say that. Um,
And she still has her agency open. But yeah, I signed with her because she was like, oh, you should come out and try auditioning. And my mom always told me, I didn't ever want you to turn 18. It was really sweet. I didn't ever want you to turn 18 and be upset with me that I didn't at least give you a chance or take you out and at least give you the opportunity. But my parents both were very much so very hard.
realistic, I guess, in their approach with the whole thing. They were like, listen, we're going to let you do this. We'll go out for like two months and stay in LA temporarily. But like, this is going to be really, really, really hard. And you're going to get told no a lot. And I think that always, I don't know, that helped me kind of their, their,
Honestly, my mom was also pretty negative. She's like very negative. I always just like assume the worst. That's kind of what, yeah, like that's what my mom was like as a kid as well. Like when I auditioned for the school play, she was like, you're going to be an extra. And it's like, it helps. It sets the bar. It really does. I'd rather not be disappointed. Yeah. You know, I'd rather not. I always loved that style of parenting.
I do. It really was great for me. Like, I constantly assumed the worst. Yeah. I do. I still do. Yeah. I think even when I'm a week into a job, I'm like, I could get fired. And then even then, once the movie is finished, I could get cut out of that movie. Oh, okay. Because you have to think about that as an actor, right? You're like, they could literally cut me on The Cutting Room 4. Yeah. That's crazy. Yes. Even after you're announced and stuff, they could be like, oh, we don't like this and cut the scenes. Yes. Yeah.
That's crazy. Has that ever happened to you? No. Well, but, but, but it could, it could happen. And I'm okay with like, I'm, I'm, I'm ready for it. And you have to be. Was there, did you end up getting, get told, did you end up what? I'm literally having a stroke today. Did you get told a lot? No. A lot of times when you got first one out there, did I just say that wrong?
It's perfect. You're perfect. I did get told no so many, so much. Uh-huh. So many, so many no's. So many no's. Was there one no in particular that was like the most devastating? I've never said this publicly. I'm so excited. I want to know what it is. I'm ready to say it. I'm ready to just let it out there. I got really close to doing True Grit.
No way. But I love Hayley. Hayley's a really, really good friend of mine, actually. I think I was, like, too young. I was a baby. But how young was Hayley when she played that role? I think she's... Well, I think she just, like... I was, like, a little... I looked, like, six when I was 13. I think that that was...
the issue. I think that character has to be like a certain has to have like a certain energy and she killed it. I love that. She was amazing in that movie, but I wasn't necessarily devastated. Like it was, I never got like too attached to things. Um,
Growing up, like even now I don't get super attached to stuff. I just, again, it's like that realistic mindset that I have. I'm like, okay, well I go into an audition knowing that like there's so many other people that are auditioning and like it, I really do have like an, it is what it is mentality, but
Um, which I think is healthy. Yeah, that is very healthy, right? Yeah, I think so. I think so too. I don't walk. I don't have that, but I know that that is healthy, but I'd never, I have never walked into a room thinking like I'm, I'm getting this. It doesn't, I don't feel like for me, that's not like helpful. I just like, there are certain things that I did really want, but even when I found out that I didn't get the things that I wanted, I was like, okay, like the person who got it
was meant to get it. And I'm like, that's okay. And like, there's always going to be another thing. So I don't get like too... So I wasn't like... I've never... I can't really remember being actually ever devastated. But that was like, I guess, like the biggest thing...
at that time in my life that I was like, oh man, yeah, Jeff Bridges would have been cool. But also I was like, I ended up meeting Haley years later and we became really good friends and I loved the movie. Yeah. So it's just like... Well, everything happens for a reason. Yeah. And then you sort of look at your trajectory and you go, oh wow, I wouldn't have done this, this, and this had I done that. Well, you wouldn't have known Haley had you probably, right? Yeah. Because that was her break. Yeah. True. It's very true. So...
Yeah, I don't think I would have done, I think, yeah, I realized it would have, like, timing of Short Term 12 coming out and Justified, I just wouldn't have done those shows because I would have been, yeah, it's just wild to think about that. Sliding Doors.
Do you like that movie? Yeah. I love that movie. So good. I love sliding doors. I think I spoke about it here the other day. Did I? Did I? I did. Oh, wow. Wow. I just love your outfit. I love your outfit. I'm just like, I can't get over it. We're kind of similar vibes right now. Yeah, it's really good. Well, I don't normally look like this. I just, I put it on for something.
And then I like looked in the mirror and I was like, I guess I'll just keep this on. Yeah. It's just like you just got off the boat. Yeah. And I'm getting on the boat. Right. No, you're like ready for vacation. I'm like, all right, I got to be done. Wait, what was I going to say? Was there a moment when you were auditioning where you got something and you were like, like, what was your like moment where you were like, okay, like I made it and I, this is my job. And like, I made, I'm successful at my job. Both Justified and Short Term 12.
Two things that I really felt like, oh, I'm finally getting to get down to the stuff I really like to do, which is like play a person that feels really, really different for me. And I think that that's what I always want to do. And I want to continue to do that and seek those kinds of things out. Because I think it's such a, it's honestly like really therapeutic for me as a person. But Justified really felt like,
A show that I like really enjoyed and like I also was so like aware of just how I was like 14 when I 13 14 when I did the show or when I started it and I was really aware of the fact that like oh this is these are some cool people. Right. And like these are I'm around all these really cool adults and I'm going to I'm learning a lot.
And I was sort of like a sponge on that set, just really taking everything in and, and getting to like do a scene with Margo Martindale was sort of like, just, just so crazy. And I think I was like not old enough to have seen any of the, like any of the actors work necessarily. So I was just meeting them as people and I was just like in awe of all of them. Um,
And I was, yeah, I was like doing accent work for the first time. And, and, um, like I remember the snacks were really good on the show and like catering was really good. And my dad would come to set with me and he really liked the catering. It was just like a, it was really like a, also just a really wonderful experience. And I felt like, oh wow. I'm, I still to this day think it was like
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When the material of the show is so heavy, does that affect the set around it? Or do people do a good job at kind of separating? I think at certain moments, you can feel the energy shift. And that is another powerful thing about making movies and TV is that shift. When you're actually making it in real time, people are kind of...
still and respectful and like actually watching the scene play out real time in real time. I think that that's a really cool experience. I don't know. I don't think it really changed the, the energy on, on set as a whole necessarily. Um, but on something like, like that in particular, that, that job in particular, it was kind of wild to be doing, um,
those kinds of scenes and they are, it is a very, like Betsy's storyline is very dark and so heartbreaking and sad. I had a lot of people coming up to me sharing their own stories with addiction and just telling me how grateful they are that this show is being put on a platform like Hulu and the world is really going to see the injustice of this and I think that
That was the coolest thing for me as an actor to sort of have those like real in-person experiences with people I was actually making the show with. It was like, whoa, this is a big deal. Yeah, it was a big deal. I remember watching that and like that show. I mean, I always I knew about the opioid epidemic, but I didn't.
That show was very, like, for me, it was very educational on, like, how it went down and, like, what happened and how unjust the whole thing was. So I just, me and my roommates loved that show. Like, we really, we really, I think that came out our, 2022, right? Yeah. It was my senior year of college. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. Are you allowed to talk about this? You're in The Last of Us. Yes, I am. What was that experience like? I loved the first season. Yeah.
really it was such a cool experience it really was it was such a privilege to get to kind of step into this like new world that I you know that
is so loved, so deeply loved by so many people who are fans of the game. And then there is like a whole group of people that are also just fans of the show who haven't played the game. So it really is so, it feels so massive. And that's the first time I've really ever done something like that. And to get to be a part of that is really cool. And my dad is a really big fan of the video game. Oh, really? Yeah. He loves the video game so much. So getting to like
take on the role of Abby, he was like so stoked that I got this part. Um, and yeah, I think I, I, it was a crazy, honestly, to be quite honest on this podcast here, I, it was, it came into my life at a really crazy, really just insane time. I had, I had lost my mom back in February of last year and I was, I like had already started prep on this show and
Before my mom had passed and then she passed away and then I had to literally like go and shoot right after and I was like, it was such a while it was such a like truly such a whirlwind, but I remember talking to my dad about like having to go to work after something so catastrophic and
My dad was like, I don't think there's a group of people that could have been better to, like, carry you through that time. It truly was like... It really felt like I was being carried through in such a gentle and beautiful way. And I don't... Yeah, I don't know what that would have been like had it been another job, truly. Like, I loved that group of... Those group... The group of people that I got to work with. Craig Mazin is amazing. Neil Druckmann is incredible. Bella is...
So sweet. And Pedro, I just, yeah. Pedro, I really, really connected with him in a really big way. He seems awesome. He's everything you want him to be and more. I mean, truly, what a special human being. And the last of us coming out this spring.
Yes. That was announced. April 13th. Okay. I'm like on edge here myself. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm allowed to say. But no, it's coming out April 13th. Did you play the game to prep at all? I had already played the game. I think what was cool about kind of the Craig Mason's and Neil Druckmann's approach was that they really want to capture the essence of the video game.
But also, I think that they weren't really concerned or worried about... I mean, their main concern was just capturing the essence and capturing the emotion of the characters. And I thought that that was a really cool way to do it because there is one version where you're just doing a carbon copy of the...
video game but then like why would you make the TV show then? Right I feel like that TV show gave the game I mean I feel like the game I feel like fans of the game would say that it had so much depth already but like
Like I really feel like that show gave it a lot of depth especially in the you know, did you watch the first season? Yeah, like the long long time episode and my god long long time. That's number four That's that's the one with that's the with the one with the Linda Rodson song and like I forget I can't I watch this a while ago, but like it was the two guys I forgot their names, but they were living Bartlett and Nick Offerman and they were that episode
I know it's so beautiful. It's so good. So yeah, I mean, there's so much, yeah, there's so much that, that, that the show really brings to the, the whole world of the last of us, I think. Um, Oh my God, that show is so good. I'm so excited for the second season. It's yeah. I'm getting like so pumped up talking about it. I'm so excited, but yeah, I, I didn't. So I played the first game actually with my dad. Um,
And I think he's probably played that game like four times. Really? This game has like legions of fans. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. It really is crazy. That's why I'm on edge right now because I don't know. Everyone is obsessed with it. It's so cool. It's like stay on Twitter for video games. Yeah.
It really is. But it's so, it's such a cool, like what a cool thing to be a part of. I mean, I just, yeah, I sort of still can't believe it. And I'm so grateful that they, that they wanted me to be a part of it. But yeah, I did. So I did play the game, but Neil and Craig were kind of also saying like, don't, and they were telling a lot of our other cast members, they were like, don't really, like, we want you to kind of like, here's a photo of the person, but like, let's, let's, let's,
or the video game character like let's create something organically here which I think is really cool and I love what Bella did with their performance and same with Pedro like they really like there's like a lot of nuance to it that I think really is beautiful in the show and you're about to film Godzilla as well a sequel to Godzilla where is that filming?
That will be in Australia. Oh, back to Australia. I can't. You can't escape it. I can't escape it. No. Do you like filming in Australia? I do. You do feel that it's so far away. You're like ahead in the future. Right. Because it's like what's today? You're like a day ahead. It's Tuesday there now, right? What's today? Monday. Yeah.
Yeah, I get it. Yeah, today is Monday, and yeah, it is Tuesday there. Do you feel like so... Glad we got that cleared up. You feel like fast-forwarded there? Yeah, you sort of, you feel like it's because you're ahead in time, you're a whole day ahead, but also you're physically so far from, like, California. Like, I was, it's a long way home. What's the food like there? Is the food good? The food's great. Yeah.
the weather was great. I think I've shot, so I shot apple cider vinegar in Melbourne, which is very different from Queensland, which is where I'll be again for Godzilla Queensland. I, I was, I shot ticket to paradise. It's true to say. Wait, so you've like been to Australia. I've been, yeah, I've been, I was just there for what? Press. Oh God, I got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah. I go, I go there a lot. I go there a lot. Do you, um, what, what are you watching on TV right now?
Okay, well, I was watching the Belle Gibson docuseries, so there's that. What else? I did just finish... I mean, this was...
pretty recent. I guess this is the most recent show that I've binged. Nobody wants this. You know, I still haven't seen that. Oh my God. I know. And apparently it's amazing and everyone loves it so much. It's just such a, it's so, it's such a warm like blanket of a show. It's so good. I need to see it. Yeah. It really is the kind of show that you just want to like, you know, order some spaghetti and just cuddle up and it's,
So wonderful. I love the entire cast. It's so good. I feel like for the first time in like years, I feel like, I feel like we're in like this binge culture now, especially with how Netflix rolls out shows and they do it all at once. Yeah. I feel like for the first time in years, I'm actually doing like episodes, like weekly, I'm like waiting weekly for episodes because what,
White Lotus is out now. Oh, fun. And then there's a show called Paradise on Hulu that's like, it's very like government thriller dystopian. Oh, fun. Yeah, I think it's fun to watch. And then what else is out there right now that I'm also watching? Oh, Severance. Do you watch Severance? I never watch Severance. You have to watch Severance.
It really is like that good. I watched it. I think it came out the same year Dope's hit came out. So I remember those being those my two main shows of that year that I was really, really into. They're on their fourth season now? Second. It took a really long time. I just recently saw on my Instagram that they were doing some sort of promotion for the Grand Central Station. There's like a clear glass box that they all sat in for like
Hours? Yeah. I think that's so cool. That's really thinking outside the box. Yeah. But in the box. But inside a box. But I think you would really like it. Okay. What else are you watching besides Nobody Wants Us? Honestly, like, I tend to re-watch. What I'm finding comforting right now in my life is just to watch things that I know are going to make me feel comfy. Gilmore Girls. Gilmore Girls. I've seen When Harry Met Sally a thousand times. I just, like, play it before bed.
I haven't really watched other than nobody wants this. It hasn't been anything like new, new. And then what are you listening to right now? Ooh, what do I like right now? That's like current Claro. I love Chloe. Uh, SZA. I just actually got to go to the Superbowl and see that performance that she did with Kendrick. Oh my God. It was so good. It was, I had such a fun time, but I love SZA so much. Um,
Yeah. And Clara. Did I say Clara? Sabrina Carpenter. Just the girls. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really I'm really in a pop phase right now. Me too. I'm in a pop phase and I'm listening to like a lot of old like Bonnie Barron stuff. Oh, fun. Like kind of random for me.
Is this like a new journey with Bon Iver? No, I was listening to like what his first album was for Emma Forever Ago, right? Yes. I just was like, I used to listen to that a lot in college and then like, I don't know what happened, but I think I like was super hungover and rediscovered it while I was hungover. And it just makes me feel like the main character in my show, you know? Yeah, I get that. Another one that you said, Bon Iver.
Uh, Bon Iver. I think you'd like, do you know Ethan Gruska at all? No. Oh, he's so good. And he, he like, yeah, he actually, he, I think he produced Remy Wolf's recent album. Ooh, that was a great album. I think, I don't want to, I think that's right, but he actually did a, like a collab with Remy Wolf too. Um,
And he's an amazing musician, and he has his own solo stuff that he does, and he's incredible. I just have to give a shout out to him because he's amazing. And then what was the other one I was going to think of? What was I thinking? Oh, this is one that I wanted to mention. McGee. I love McGee. Oh, my God. Louise loves McGee, too. Did you see McGee's SNL performance? Actually, I did.
Yes, I remember seeing him perform on some TV thing. It was definitely SNL. Have you seen Are You Looking Up YouTube music? No. The YouTube music video? Have you seen that? I've never seen that. Oh, God. I'll have to send it to you because I'm going to get your number after this. Yes. Yay! But if that's okay. Yes. But it's so good. I'm obsessed with McGee right now. That's my biggest obsession. I'm glad I remember that.
I'm obsessed. I'm really excited to watch the YouTube video. I'm going to send it to you. Yeah, please. The YouTube music video. Yeah. Okay. What are you therapist about today? I got it. A lot of like mechanical, like, like things were going wrong. Ooh, that would drive me up a wall. Like, uh, like call boxes getting into, getting into like, uh, buildings. Yeah. Yeah.
none of them worked this week for me like like consistently consistently and i feel like it's it's like i don't know if you're into astrology but like i think like technology when it when me too that's exactly how i would say it but like when technology starts to like technology has just been not going well this this this week for me and that really i was like thinking about like my pet peeves and my sisters really know this about me like when
Like, when something, like, a computer doesn't work or, like, when the Apple TV doesn't work or, like, remote. I have, there's, like, seven different remotes. No, I'm not kidding. I feel seen. Like, I, like, am getting, like, angry. Like, when technology doesn't work for me, it makes me so fucking angry. Oh, my God. And then, like, when I'm at my parents' house, like, my dad gets, like, I'm going to say I get mad at my dad for no reason. Like, he, like.
He doesn't know how. I don't know. It just really makes me irrational and angry. And that happened a lot this week. So I guess I'll say that. Yeah. Well, that's a great one. Right. You know, I'm honestly not angry about much today. I feel like I've been in a great mood.
Do you disagree? Yeah, it's been great. You've been lovely. I'm great. I was watching, what was I watching this morning? I was watching the new White Lotus. Do you watch White Lotus? I saw the first season. I saw the first. I never saw the second.
Wait. I thought right now was the second season. No, this is the third. Right. I saw both seasons. Oh, you saw both. Because I thought – because everyone thinks it's so weird that I never saw the second season. I just, like, gave up on it. But they played the second season's theme song at, like, the music festival I was at this weekend. And I – it was so – It's such a good theme song. Lit. Like, it was so fun. Like –
It was so awesome. Like, it was just like, oh my God, it was the most fun ever. So I guess I'm pretty therapy-pleased today. That's amazing. Did your sister tell you about the Tell Me What's Wrongs? No. Okay. So the pussies write in and they tell us what's wrong and we like prescribe them a remedy. So like that can be anything. Like a show, a song, the McGee YouTube special. Right. Okay.
Okay. Anything. Okay, got it. Okay. My best friend has ADHD, has been overstimulating me so much recently, but when I tell her she is stressing me out, she gets mad. Help. I, like, don't know how to help you there, honestly. Not to be, like, I'm sorry, like, if you're-
Because my thing is, her friend is mad at her because you're doing the right things. You're being transparent and honest and telling your friend she's pissing you off. And you're writing into therapists. And you're like acknowledging your feelings. That's like a your friend problem, not a you problem. That's a your friend problem, unfortunately, and they can't control that. There's only so much you can do there. I oversimulate my friends all the time. They're like, stop, and I'll stop. Or they oversimulate me, and I'll be like, stop, and they stop.
But if that person is getting overstimulated, that's a situation that you can't really do much about. I don't think I can prescribe that at all. You can be there for them. Yeah. No, but you can if they're annoying you. Well, you have to protect yourself. Yeah. You have to protect yourself. And then you have to know your boundaries. Yeah, you got to PYP, protect your peace. Oh, I like that. But you know what the conjugated one of that is? POP, protect our peace. Oh my God. That's what me and my friend Peyton came up with recently. We're POPing. We're POPing.
That's so nice. Yeah, we need a pop or a pimp plugging my phone.
Okay, this is all going so fast. No, I know. I know. I start to speed up during this round because I get really excited. Okay, next. I'm having a problem in college that every time I get high, I get the serious ick from my friends. That is horrible. So when they get high, they get the- They're like, I hate my friends. Whoa, okay. They're new friends because I've only been in college for three months, but it literally makes me not want to be friends with them because I get such bad second embarrassment. Secondhand embarrassment, my friends.
Sorry, that was so mean. What do I do to stop it, but I'm not willing to stop smoking? Well, I would say, I don't, do you smoke ever? On occasion. I quit. I used to do it, like, back in the day, like, I probably would have been high for this podcast. Oh, wow. No, like, it was intense. I would not be able to hold a podcast. Oh, I was able to, like, work out. Like, I could have done anything high.
Oh, my God. The world was my oyster. Wow. Until it wasn't. Again, that's their problem. Also, like, sometimes the pussies, like, do leave out details for us. Like, there's crucial details. Like, why are you getting secondhand embarrassment from your friends while you're high? Like, maybe they're not, like, acting. They don't like the way they're acting while they're high. But I will say also, you didn't go to college, did you? No. Okay. So, as someone who went to college, those friends you make in the first three months, like, while some of them might stay forever...
realistic like we can be realistic here like most of them are not forever like they're not like you're about to go through four years of your life in this place and you're about to meet so many new people and people are going to come in and out and you're in the dorms and like
Yeah, they're new friends. They're new friends. You might get the ick. Right. Like you just have to expect the ick. I also like to say that me and my friend group like to say that we all have our fatal flaw. And if you can accept someone for their fatal flaw, then you can accept everything else. I love that. Yeah. Because that's really true. No one's perfect. No. Some people's fatal flaws are worse than others. They like to say that about me. But.
But it's okay. It's okay. Because once you accept it, you're good. Right. Because once you accept someone's fatal flaw, like, you can't complain about it anymore. You're like, oh, that's just their fatal flaw. Like, you know? And then when you take that out of the equation, like, you're not complaining about much. And then friendship's awesome. Yeah, that's true. Is that a bad way to think about things? No, I have to remember those. You do? Yeah. What's my... Oh. Oh. You first. You first.
Well, I feel like that's also really important, like, in romantic relationships. Like, you have to accept. I haven't gotten that far yet. Okay. But almost. But yes, continue. Okay. I just feel like, yeah, there's certain things that you just have to sort of, like, accept. No, correct. Yes. And some things you just, like, won't like, and you just got to, like, move past. And, like, it's an interesting. Right.
Wait, I'm like thinking about the people I speak to now and I'm like, you're so right. Well, there's just like, you're not, you're not perfect. No, I'm not perfect. I'm so not perfect. And like, why would I expect to be with a perfect, perfect, you know, person? You know, I feel like I know. And now I do. Really? Yeah. Well, that's what, that's your perspective of your friendships, right? No. Yeah. So I guess I need that different. What do you think my fatal flaw is Louise?
Oh, have you never discussed this? No, I know what all my friends say it is, but what do you think it is? Well, what all your friends say. I'm the worst listener on planet Earth. But, like, that manifests in very, very bad ways all the time. But I don't listen. But let's talk about why. Why am I a bad listener? Yeah. Or that you're not a bad listener, but it's that maybe there's, like... No, well, they like to say I'm a narcissist, so... That's a good question.
like a stretch. I mean, I just met you, but really? Wow. You're the second guest to tell me I'm not a narcissist. And I really, really appreciate that. You know, yeah, she told me I wasn't a narcissist either. And then I told all my friends and they said, well, Julia said, well, the other day, the other day, Julia tried to tell me a story, one of my best friends. But she said, are you ready to hear a story that isn't about yourself? And I said, pause. I'm not ready yet. I just need five seconds. And she said that that is narcissism. But I wasn't ready.
Maybe you just have a lot going on sometimes. I don't know. I don't see you as a narcissist. I mean, I really don't get that energy from you at all. Louise? I think you're a narcissist. Like, that's not the word. But I think perhaps you're not always the best listener because you're thinking of, like, yourself. Yeah. I'm always thinking about myself. The guy I was talking to you about. I can't help it. I can't.
I have a friend who cannot for the life of her stop spoiling everything. Like, she doesn't even think about it for a second, and she'll just blurt out what's in the next episode of Severance or apple cider vinegar. And I just want to scream, how do I fix this? Okay, that's a little bit inconsiderate. That's narcissism. Is it? I don't know. Sometimes I like to throw out words. That's gaslighting. That is... But the thing is, I believed you. I was like... I feel like gaslighting is a big...
You know what? It's a big word. And I'm like, I didn't take it seriously until it started happening to me. And I was like, wait, I'm literally so gaslit right now. Okay. Have you ever been gaslit? Yeah. It's the most infuriating feeling in the entire world. Yeah, it's so annoying. So defeating. Yeah, it really is. But for your friend that's spoiling the shows, I just would no longer tell her what you're watching. This person has to...
Has to say, like, listen, you this is why I can't tell you what I'm so I'm not going to tell you what I'm watching anymore. And that person can decide if they're going to stop spoiling. And meanwhile, that person is POP, PIP, PYP, PYP, PTP protecting their peace. Yeah, they're doing that. What is the biggest spoil you've ever gotten for a show? Because I remember mine.
Uh, oh, oh, uh, Gossip Girl. They told you who Gossip Girl was? Yeah, my freaking sisters. That's evil. They didn't mean to. It was not on purpose. That ruined the entire show. That, like, actively ruined the entire show. Yeah. What season were you on? I was on, like, three or four. No, that's diabolical. That's diabolical. One time I, someone, what did someone spoil for me? Oh, I think it was, like, the end of season three of Succession or, like,
Yeah, I know, Nolan. I know. And or it was they spoiled. I think it was like the end of season three of Succession. And then I also they also spoiled season two of The White Lotus. What happened at the end? And then they also spoiled. This isn't all the same person, by the way. Oh, I was like, Jesus, this person's spoiling everything. And then I was also spoiled the big. Have you seen the OC? Yes, but I haven't seen the whole thing. OK, well, what?
something someone passes and that was definitely oh that's the what you say yes oh well I've seen that because of yeah I've seen that because of the s there was an SNL like spoof of it and so then I actually went back and watched so I wasn't really that tapped into OC anyway but we love Adam Brody is he in that no he's in the other one no he is in the OC right he's in everything okay and everything
I literally have the palate of a five-year-old boy. I'm trying to go on dates with these men, but every time we go to a nice restaurant, I want to throw up. How do I culture myself? I just have the best advice for this. I hated olives. Like, olives were my number one enemy. Like, I, like, the sight of them made me want to throw up, like, gag, like... You...
I saw a photo of, sorry, I stalked you on Instagram. You had a dirty martini in your hand. Yes, because I realized that they are classy, chic and wealthy. And I knew I needed to get behind this and everybody was drinking them and everyone was talking about how good dirty martinis are and this, that and the third. And I was like,
I have to do this. I have to figure out how to do this. It must be done. And once you just pull the bandaid off the first time, you're like, ew, second time. You're like, okay. And the third time, you'll actually enjoy them. You can't overdo it though. Like I had...
six or seven the other night and it really like I feel nauseous thinking about them now but I really like olives now I can really eat them the same thing happened with me and sushi as a kid I hated sushi I hated raw fish I'm still there you're still there yeah you can do it you just start with the vegetable rolls and you make your way to the fish
It's just the seaweed. I don't know if my tongue can ever... Oh, you don't like the texture? It's literally the taste of seaweed that I don't like. Okay, so... I can do like... I've baby stepped into sashimi. Yes, but that's all it takes. You start and then you keep going and going and going and going. I think that that would be the advice here. But also you need...
vitamins from other things you know you do you need you need a well-rounded diet so look at it as a as a life upgrade and then a necessity necessity no i can't speak we were i wasn't speaking i just wanted to say it at the same time okay yeah necessity necessity um um yeah i just feel like baby steps there and also i did the same thing with avocado
Two. I hated avocado. And then I slowly started with guac and I just like went from there. And now guac is my favorite. I wouldn't say it's my favorite, but I do enjoy it. It's so good. But yeah, I wanted to be a part of the avocado club. Yeah, me too. I feel like these like niche foods always have clubs, except the one food I'll never, ever enjoy. And I'm putting it out there now. And if I do like hell has frozen over beets. I hate beets.
Because they taste like the ground. I don't think I've ever even tasted one. So what makes you... I just don't like the look of it. I don't like the texture of it. It tastes like a stone fruit. Ew. The texture-wise. Yeah. You don't like nectarines or peaches? I love nectarines. Sorry. I heard stone fruit and I thought of like rocks. To be honest with you.
Thank you for being so honest with me today. Sometimes I just speak without thinking. I saw this TikTok the other day that was like, I don't think before speaking, so I'm just as shocked as you are. And like, I really resonated with that. You know, I really did. I got it. I got it. Do you have TikTok? Yeah. Are you like scroll? You're a scroller? I'm a scroller. I don't create. What's your for you page like? Psychic readings. My sister's TikToks and like skincare. Okay, love. What's your star sign?
Do you want to guess? Yeah, I actually do. But you said you're ish, so I know that. Okay. Are you a Virgo? No, but that's a good read. Thank you. Yeah. Okay, are you a... Or I can just tell you. No, no, now I want to do three because I have 12 chances. So I'm going to guess three. Okay. Virgo. Are you a Cancer? No. Yeah, I don't know why I guessed that. Sorry. Yeah. Are you a Leo? No. What are you? I'm a Capricorn.
Yeah, I should have guessed it. What do you think I am? Okay, so it's none of the ones that you guessed for me. Who's to say? Aries? Aries? I've never gotten that before. Taurus? No, but my mom's a Taurus. Okay. And Louise is a Taurus. Wow. I wonder if you have Taurus in your... I'm a Scorpio. Okay. With Gemini rising, Gemini moon.
Yeah, it's diabolical. Do you know you're rising in your moon? My moon is Taurus and my rising is Capricorn. Oh, so you're like very Capricorn. Yeah. And earthy. But that's why I said Virgo is interesting because Virgo is also earth and
Wait, no, it's not. But no, that's why I said that. Because my middle sister, Maddie, is a Virgo. Oh. And what's your youngest? Jane is a Pisces. I love Pisces. Jane, I love Pisces. Pisces are my favorite sign. Also water, right? Yeah, Pisces and Scorpio. Emotional. Yeah. Well, I'm not, but well, sometimes. Okay. One of my roommates is disgusting. She hooks up in our dorm shower while we are all here and she pees her bed when she's drunk. Okay.
And is genuinely farting all the time. Genuinely? Genuinely. How do we tell her that she needs to get it together? Because she gets super defensive when we talk to her about anything. This is a tough one, right? I would move out. Right? Like, what are you supposed to do? You're disgusting. I mean, I'd like to know more details about, like, how long has this been going on for? Right. You know, like...
there's a certain point where you kind of accept these kinds of behaviors and then you have to and if maybe you have a if you've already had like one or two talks with this person maybe it's time to consider moving out you need to get out of that environment yeah if it's not suitable for you i would try to break your lease if you can did she say she's hooking up in her shower in the dorm shower and that to me doesn't feel that crazy but like
That really does not feel that crazy to me. Maybe that's because I was in, like, the party dorm of my college, but, like, that just doesn't feel crazy to me. Okay. Yeah. I think you would have liked college. I don't know. It's so scary.
So basically, my roommate is a random person. She was fucking crazy to sum it up. But one time she made up the story that her grandpa died as an excuse to go fuck another dude in a different state while she had a boyfriend. She left while he was at our apartment. So he stayed and we all kind of sort of had to like watch him. Not know. It was so weird. Do we get involved? Well,
Watch him. Watch what? Oh, okay. She made up an excuse that her grandpa tied as an excuse to go hook up with another guy while she had a boyfriend. Right. All these people, her roommates, had to basically babysit the boyfriend while he was in the apartment alone and watch him not know that she was lying about the grandpa. Do they get involved? This is crazy. I think, yes, they get involved, right? Okay. I would say something personally.
- I feel like if they're, well, they're a part of it now. Like if they were not having to watch him in the apartment, I feel like that's one thing, but like because they are like kind of in it and they've made them feel like they kind of have to say something. - I agree. - I don't know, sometimes I'm like, you can't get involved. But in this situation, I think you get involved. - I also think you get involved, especially 'cause it's so diabolical. Well, what did we learn today? - That you're not a narcissist.
second thank you thank you what else I learned that you I consider you to be so so good at what you do thank you so much you're impressive I've had such a nice time I'm so excited to show this to my sister later this is gonna be so fun oh I think she's gonna love it I think she's gonna love it yeah do you want to give a little bye pussies
Bye, pussies. Bye, pussies. Thanks for coming on, Caitlin. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for being here. This was so sweet. And he's shook. It's Therapist, Therapist, Therapist, Therapist.