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E114: Markets update: whipsaw macro picture, big tech, startup mass extinction event, VC reckoning

2023/2/4
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

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Chamath Palihapitiya
以深刻的投资见解和社会资本主义理念而闻名的风险投资家和企业家。
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David Freedberg
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David Sacks
一位在房地产法和技术政策领域都有影响力的律师和学者。
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专注于电动车和能源领域的播客主持人和内容创作者。
Topics
主持人: 本期节目讨论了美联储加息25个基点,就业数据强劲,新增51.7万个就业岗位,工资增长放缓等宏观经济形势。 David Sacks: 鲍威尔讲话暗示美联储可能仅需再加息两次25个基点,市场因此乐观。市场短期内上涨,部分原因是年底的税收损失抵扣和市场低迷导致的系统性买入。当前市场状况与2018年末至2019年初相似,短期内上涨的可能性较大。 Chamath Palihapitiya: 市场预期发生转变,从预期美联储持续加息到预期加息停止,导致市场波动剧烈。就业市场强劲增加了软着陆的可能性,但经济仍然高度波动难以预测。当前经济处于通货紧缩阶段,但股市上涨可能重新引发通货膨胀。华尔街的聪明钱对市场走势的预测与实际情况存在差异,市场存在波动风险。 David Freedberg: 收益率曲线表明市场预期未来几个月利率将达到峰值,然后在未来两年内下降。市场预测美联储已经采取足够的措施来控制通货膨胀,长期利率将稳定在3.5%左右。根据格雷厄姆的价值投资模型,当前标普500指数估值过高。利率不再为零,投资者的替代投资选择增多,导致对亏损初创企业的投资吸引力下降。 David Sacks: 许多初创企业过于关注功能性而非平台性,这限制了其发展潜力。许多B轮、C轮、D轮和E轮公司实际市场价值低于其优先股资本总额。优先股的清算优先权可能导致公司破产。过去十五年风险投资行业注重势头投资,而非基本面投资,这可能导致行业洗牌。虽然风险投资募集资金创纪录,但资金部署速度将放缓,这将导致风险投资行业整合。风险投资行业需要承受压力才能进化,过去几年缺乏压力导致行业缺乏竞争力。 Chamath Palihapitiya: Meta公司通过裁员和提高效率来应对市场压力,股价因此上涨。公司中管理层过多导致效率低下,应减少管理层级。Twitter公司裁员后,许多工程师多年未编写代码,这凸显了管理层过多导致效率低下的问题。Meta公司正从增长型公司转向注重现金流的公司,这导致投资者对其评价发生变化。 David Freedberg: 历史上,在经济紧缩时期,科技公司更容易发展壮大。经济紧缩与重大技术变革的结合,更有利于大型科技公司的诞生。资本充足的环境下,竞争加剧,导致薪资上涨,利润率下降;资本稀缺的环境下,投资者更具选择性,公司更注重盈利能力。当前市场上存在大量未部署的风险投资资金,这可能会对市场产生影响。机构投资者对新基金的投资减少,这将影响风险投资行业。过去十五年风险投资行业主要依靠势头投资,而非基本面投资,这可能导致行业洗牌。 Chamath Palihapitiya: 人工智能领域的投资机会可能会抵消风险投资行业面临的挑战。风险投资行业需要更多具备商业头脑和技术背景的投资人。人工智能领域的投资需要具备技术专长,但投资决策应由具备商业头脑的人员做出。过去五年,对亏损公司的风险债务依赖程度过高。风险债务对初创企业和债权人来说都不是一个好的选择。2023年下半年和2024年,许多初创企业将面临融资困难,这将导致企业重组和破产。风险债务的回报模型可能无法准确预测未来几年的回报情况。许多初创企业缺乏财务管理能力。过去风险投资过于关注产品和运营,而忽视了盈利能力。风险投资行业需要关注初创企业的最终盈利能力和现金流。

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The chapter discusses the impact of recent Federal Reserve actions, including a 0.25% rate increase, on the markets. It also explores the implications of the latest job report and wage growth on inflation and the potential for a soft economic landing.
  • The Fed raised interest rates by 0.25%, adding 517,000 jobs, more than double the estimates.
  • Wage growth is slowing, but labor force participation is increasing.
  • There's a possibility of another 0.25% rate hike, and the market is reacting positively.
  • Volatility in economic sentiment is high, with fluctuating expectations about inflation and recession risks.

Shownotes Transcript

(0:00) Bestie intro!

(1:15) Macro picture update: 0.25% raise, jobs rip up, wage growth continues to slow

(17:52) Interest rates impact on mega-cap company creation

(33:58) Mass extinction event coming to startups, reckoning for VCs, venture debt issues

(1:02:33) Adani's potential fraud, role of short sellers

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/fed-approves-quarter-point-rate-hike-signals-more-increaseslikely-11675278190

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