E16: Reflecting on the riots at the US Capitol, plus: Georgia runoff elections, vaccine distribution & more
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All right, and were back and thank you too. Young spill berg, with the all in one five extended edition reMarks, were going all in that to the super fans.

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Yeah, show out Young bilder with us, the dictator, to propose a the rain man himself. David sacks is definitely an excEllent driver. And instead that some drive in the driveway and the queen of kenya spectacular, David freeburg, is with us.

We did an emergency pod. We just had all agreed or taking a nice break. Nothing's going to happen over the new year.

This is the towns od and twenty twenty one is going to be delightful and simple. And then all help breaks loose. We could start with the vaccine. We could start with the capital. We could start with georgia.

Now we have to start. We have to start, we have to start with the capital.

We have to start the capital. All right. So let me just run through the series of events that occur here. There is a certification process, correct tax, that goes on where the electoral college gets counted. And somewhere at ten am trump, at a rally of thousands of a supporters, you were not their David.

correct or not? This round he was in, quote, quote, miami.

I think he's in the miami Hilton on pencillings yeah, every year right now. But he put up that fake miami background. But the truth is, let's be honest here, trump came out as ten. Amin had a rally.

James, can we just take a stop back first? I D doesn't David sacks look like elliot gold and oceans eleven right now? I want to does so ellide gool.

He is a solar fox and are you I I mean you were very public about being in miami over the new year. You took your talent to miami. And we see this background um so we can assume the dictators in his uh poor house poker room.

We know that freeburg in a rich called in somewhere based on the furniture. He and his red is called in office, and sax based on your background. Are you in my ami right now?

I still here.

Okay.

but did you meet you here or not? I haven't.

I actually met him. I did meet him. I went to like a tech event the other night and he was there, where are you .

wearing mass at the tech event or .

you're wearing a mask?

And like, no, no, i'll tell you there are mass indoors. And then there was like kova testing inside. And then you could graduate to the outdoor patio part where people generally wearing mass.

So were you in conversations with people with no mask on? Is that what what you're saying at this?

Yeah but you know everyone's been like kova tested like a ilian times and IT was outdoors. And you know, I wanted to meet with people outdoors, know I generally don't do IT indoors, but I i've said that's my policy starting several months ago.

Can we were a wine to April with that photo of sax? Do we have IT where he was in the ski mask and the gogol and the home, and like the fire suit, and like how things have change his link? I got to mianzhu have a chat with someone.

You can definitely do how it's started and how it's going. Split photo for IT.

But but look, you like iran split with someone .

like was litter on ebay, alibaba buying ventilators for his home trios center.

Well, I mean, we had people from the W H, O. Saying in march that the you know that the case the infection fatality rate was like seven percent. And the two big things we learned after that were, number one, that there was a huge distribution by age, right? And so somebody under fifty without commodities had a much, much, much lower risk.

And then also the thing we learned is that the there's baby, a tenets difference between the infection fatality rate. In the case fatality rate, I mean, guys know all this yeah and so so once we learned those things, I mean, no, I think a rational person takes things like that into account. I changed my policy with respect to cove IT. And now especially that we have you know easy access to test which weren't available. You can get tested before going into a event.

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was a great.

I can we title the event nationally important siege of the capital? I think I was like, animal house like that.

There was a was a great tweet by somebody saying this was, this was like the storming of the vast steel as perpetrated by the cast of a animal house and and there was another there's another great tweet saying the capital now appears to be under the control of a man in a biking mask.

The best one, the best one was that I have lost all respect for Nicholas cages. Ability to steal the us. Constitute yeah .

apparently .

yeah whenever copies right. So I just go to the chain of events here. And IT IT was absolutely surreal because trump literally went out to A A mob of people and and said, I want you to march down pennsylvania avenue and show the G O P. What IT takes. That courage except my pants, apparently told trump that he he was not going to go to bed for him in the ceremonial um process of counting the votes and long behold, you're watching this you know the objections going on to the electoral al account and you see the secret service come rushing in and IT becomes a you know very serious situation and when you watch some of the videos, IT is truly terrorizing that thousands of people overwhelmed the police and I guess I want to start with people's opinion on trumps capability in exciting what was very dangerous behavior.

Four people are dead um so know why we're joking about the cost play outfits a woman who was a an art in trust supporter who is a vet who did four tours from what i've read and I share the video with you before literally you know as they broke into the bill was trying to breach another area of the building and she's climbing through a window and get shot apparently by the secret service of the police and eyes. And so it's all funny games until four people are dead and now somebodys lost their wife, daughter. Js.

Jason, I mean, there have been four hundred and there are A T O.

yeah. I mean, this could be ut out of the OK. I can understand why the police showed the they did. I mean when you see them getting straw w the .

one they didn't show restraint. Jason, there was no police. When you look at the amount of um security that's typically there and has been there for other situations and then you compare to the amount of security knowing for a month and a half that this was coming IT just doesn't make any sense to me.

So i'm a little i'm a little dumb founded that you know you couldn't have seen this facebook group called you know hashtag storm the capital which had tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of members in there plotting and scheming selling merchandise called storm the capital. These guys were wearing a printed sweatshirt that they had time to make um and nobody knew about IT and nobody thought to reinforce um the security and barricades, make sure that you couldn't go from the protest site to the company. I just seems like there's some level of complicity that needs to get found out here.

But there was a there an interview I saw with A A X D C police guy who said that um I think folks were told to tap her down uh the police forces were told to tamper down on managing crowds and protests and riots following the controversy associated with B, L. A few months ago and spring folks with pepper spray and water and all the physical techniques that were used were so um outraging that that there was just more of A A systemic concern about being too aggressive with protesters and as a result, they went too far the other way. It's not so IT just happens .

to be freedoms. G that when black people protesting in Brown people, they got the tear gas and beaten with the tons and then when the White people's uh storm the the capital in the same area, they got walked down the steps and exported out with a stern warning to not do IT again. I mean, this is hypocritical and insane.

I don't know why you have to go there. Particularly IT looked to me like what happened is that the capital hill police simply got completely overwhelmed. You look at these giant.

This is a rally on the mall that turned into a mob, well, first, which kind of turned into a tail gator, then IT turned into a mob, and then I turned into an interaction that kind of stumbled forward into progressive phases of stupidity and disaster. But IT looked to me like the capital hope police simply got overwhelmed. They obviously unprepared.

They were surprised, I think, by this. And I saw video of tons of tear gas being used. I saw people getting tear gas like crazy.

And I think there was reports this morning on twitter that the whole area in front of the capital there was covered in that light film that remains after tear gassing. So I don't think they were really pulling punches too much. And I also think that, uh, that there will be prosecutions.

I think that these people were captured on video. There's a lot of talk on twitter and everybody is in favor of finding out who they are, applying facial recognition and bringing charges. So I think there will be a lot of charges, unlike, let's say, the bill and protest to someone.

I don't remember anybody getting charged based on video of people riding or looting. And then I think you the final difference actually with a illam protests that if you watch fox and use IT all in the last twenty four hours, the condemnation of of the storm, of the capital, of what happened has been across the board, both right and left. Everybody across the local spectrum has condemned IT.

Nobody is apologizing for IT. Nobody on the right is looking for root causes to explain the reasons why IT happened. Everybody is just condemning IT and saying that IT should never have happened and the people who did to be prosecuted and so I don't see any kid gloves here being used either .

physically or IT of sex is when you see officers being chased up the steps and uh or taking self is you know which is one instance. I don't want to just say that the only indicative thing, but when people are breaking through windows. And just kind of being let go. I mean, they were obviously overwhelmed, but i'm surprised more people didn't get shot to off to tackle head on in terms of the race issue.

I have a have a question for David before I make my stay. David, do you think that if this were black and Brown people storming the capital, would there had been more or less than four deaths?

Honestly, I think would be the same. I just disagree .

you I disagree.

I really disagree and i'll tell you why. Um I think you have the best of intentions wanting to think that way. But here's the way I see you.

I see a president that basically instigated a group of people who are fundamentally disenfranchise, let's face IT like there. There are a lot of very, very reasonable republicans. And a lot of very reasonable democrats.

The fringes of built parties are functionally mentally retarded. We know this. okay. And so what you see are extreme on both sides, who are just completely lost and looking for any excuse.

And so you have a president in the tail end of this presidency, an anonymous presidency, basically call them out. Nobody who actually had a job or anything to do could show up, right? So get all these people show up.

It's a wednesday. It's a wednesday during the day, I mean, and what do you think happens? They're there. They're all frost up, you know um eric trump frosting them up. Don't trump junior frosting them up.

Trump frowning them up, Juliane frothing them up, and all of a sudden, as you said, stumbling into degrees of of craziness and stupidity to storm the capital. And I just think to myself, how could a president indicate this kind of action? Number one, the second thing I think about is when black, the athletes peacefully protested as something that they had the fundamental constitutional right to protest in the president size.

They were sons of bitches, White people that storm the fucking capital. The people's house were called patridge by the president's daughter, and then were told, and then we're told, that they were loved by the president himself. To me, it's just an enormously star contrast of a double standard.

I think that beyond the persecutions of the people, I actually feel very bad for the people that storm the capital. I feel like these are folks that are on the fringes who just need a vessel, and trump is a vessel, and then he instigated the and runs away. You know, what I mean is these guys commit the crime, and now they are gonna to jail. I feel like the the culprit has to go all the way back to trump, to holy, to cruise at these guys are the those are the real scumbag s in all of freebase .

won't worry your thoughts on this. And then i'll go back to sax and let him respond.

Yes, I do I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if this was a black lives matter and IT was black people involved or brand people involved in, in the same sorts of activities you saw you today, you would not see, uh, more shooting. So I don't think that's an reasonable uh, position to take a obviously um I think there's this other circumstances.

Is that event proceeding this one as I mentioned, I I saw an interview with A D, C police, former police to director the police and I forgot what this title was, where he highlighted that, you know, folks, war kind of instructed to stand down following the B, L. M. controversies. And so I think that's also kind of a reasonable point of view. And what about .

the president's capability? I mean, I think that's one issue that's gonna have to be addressed post. And I think we have to figure out what life post trump is going to be like because this is a level of chaos that nobody, to saxes point, all people condemned.

Yeah, there's a theory which actually takes its origin from from hitler, where hitler used this term the big lie and uh you know the theory is that you can um create political propaganda by saying something that so outrageous um IT is so improbable that people say there's no way this thing keeps getting set over over unless it's actually real um and this is sort of like the q anon pedophile ring in the pizer or the fact that the election was stolen from you IT is such an outrageous statement um that uh that IT seems to people uh that IT only has to be true a because IT is IT is such an insane thing and if IT is, it's so insane and I am so incited by this thing so this is kind of a you know acknowledge as being uh you know a political propaganda technique that that goes back a long time by the way.

Hitler used IT as a way to to use IT as almost like a double bluff uh to blame the jews uh in in germany which was um uh you know an unfortunate kind of origin of of the term but but the term is used a lot now and saying like these sorts of events are ridiculous. S now what's going to happen going forward? I don't think big lives go away.

You can try and use them on twitter and meet them on facebook or meet them on redit. But whether it's q and on or whatever is next, um this is becoming kind of a standard form now because of the way media is distributed. Anyone can see a big lion and gets A A lot of license and and prop this totally comfortable for that.

He made some shut up. He made a butcher claims. I mean, if you guys haven't seen Linda grame speech yesterday, IT is absolutely worth watching that he gave last night and he's like, he's like, I asked for for show me me ten people that claim that they voted and they were under a team.

He like to give you one, give me anyone that that was in prison or died and they give me zero. And he that goes on and on for a couple minutes about how none of what was said about what happened in the election was true and IT was all false. And he's like, this is all just not true um and so I think trump is culpable for creating a falsehood and and uh you know having a meal.

phone and the what about the thing of violence that is I think whether robber is going to meet the road, trumps going to be out of office in two weeks less one way or the other do you h and let me just take IT to sax. Um sax, I want to give you the time to respond to the the issue of the double standard uh in terms of race and B L M. And then also do you sex if you are on biden steam coming in, do you advise that you prosecute trump or investigate trump for this interaction yes or no?

okay. So just the title on the the B L M issue. I just formally don't think that race is the issue here chmagh. Look, I don't know at the end of the day what the fatalities would have been if I had been a bill and protest that, that went to ride.

But I will stick to what I said before, which is I predict you will see more prosecutions come out of this. Of the people who are involved. I'm talking about the people who stormed the capital. Then we saw from all the the bill and protests over the summer.

I mean, I don't remember any prosecutions coming out of video tape of people being caught recorded looting and right and I break you will see more here and again I think another difference again, take centres a double standard. I remember a lot of letting news networks um calling the riding looting the summer peaceful protesters say, clearly we're not you even had a book called in defensive looting and I don't hear anybody defending the storm of the capital, nobody on the right. So look, to the extent there's a double standard, I don't know that IT accused to the the bill inside of this.

But look, I think that's kind of beside the point and not not the real issue here. I mean, Jason, to your question of is trump responsible? yes. I mean, clearly one hundred percent, one hundred percent, yes.

Because he he is the one who who who put forth this theory that the election was stolen and was constantly repeating IT for the last two months. Two months ago, right after the election, there was an article publishing the spectator called deplorable les don't write IT. IT was actually a pretty good open you, you know, was writing by a conservative.

And the conservatives point was that, you know, all these windows and shops have been able ted up and anticipation of potential riding looting with the election. And all these concerns are saying, well, who's do know? Who are they afraid of? Not, not us, not the maga folks.

Well, and the theory was deplorable. Als don't write IT. And and the right was proud of that two months ago.

And now we are saying that will know the deplorable are writing what? Why is that what? What changed over the last two months? And what changed is the constant feeding to this group of people, this idea, starting with trumpet and perpetuated by different rightwing media organizations and other politicians who sort of were trying to curry favor with trump. They were constantly pushing forward this idea that the election was stolen, so that these people on the mall, who then ride in storm of the capital, believed that the electrons being stolen from them. So you, ultimately that responsibility goes, is trumps.

So to be clear and reflecting back to you, you are saying trump incited sedation is at the right word.

Well, sadi an. Sadi an. Doesn't seem like wrong. Doesn't seem like the exact right word to me. I IT was certainly a riet now did. Now look, I mean, you're talking about prosecuting illegal case.

If you want to look at the legal standard for incitement, IT has me you provoking people to take an imminent lawless act? Did I think? I think he load, if you want to see that this mob is a gun, I think he loaded the gun.

He pointed in a certain direction. But did he tell him to storm the capital note? Not specifically. I think therefore be a very hard case to prosecute. But I think prosecuting the court of law is is sort of unnecessarily and redundant. I mean, I think that in the eyes of the public, politically, he is I think most people see that he's culpable.

And I even think most of his political career.

I think I think he's disqualified him himself from being, uh, a candidate, you know, at national level again. I mean, if you look again, he just go back two months ago. Look at how much has changed two months ago, just in the day to after the election, trump had nearly lost.

But there was talk of him starting a new news network, arrival fox. There was talk about he could even be a candidate again in twenty twenty four. IT was not off the table.

I think now it's it's clearly off the table. And you've seen it's partly because of the georgia are on off, which you should get to. But again, the republican candidates, at least one of them had won that election two months ago, and now they lost. And that has a lot to do with trumps antics in the meantime of just feeding this constant you lie .

about the solar election is really important question. Sorry, is IT worth prosecute? Mp, um you know, does that do more harm or good for for the country as a whole? Certainly there be a lot people that will get great satisfaction of putting crump in prison.

A lot of people are calling for that but um we really do need to question the um the incredible divide in the nation and what's the best way to heal the divide. The objective shouldn't be pursuing justice. Uh H T V about moving forward. I am not suggesting don't prosecute them, but I I think that it's work it's worthy of noting that you know, there is another way of framing this whole thing, which is what's the best thing to do going forward. The on the flip side, you can even make the case that one of the best things jobim can do today or tomorrow is to announce, uh, a federal election uh review commission, uh, to actually look into wrong downs .

at the state level a hundred percent down case know .

he basically embrace the notion that a lot of folks are really angry about and said, i'm listening to you, i'm hearing you. Let me show you and at the same time, they did not prosecute trump and let him go go off into the distance and do his own. Maybe you start to, you know, heal the rest a little bit.

But right now everyone's kind of inflamed. And there is this like how do we prosecute? What do do we do? And we're just continuing to escalate the the dialogue and increase the rift.

I just yeah so I look, I think prosecuting trump at this point, first, all legally, that might be a difficult ase to prove because of the need to prove that the um that he was trying to provoke an imminent laws action you know if he had been at the barracks pushing people for yes but so I think lily would be a tough case. I think you would like you said, to be unnecessarily divisive and partisan. I don't know why we need to go there.

I mean, at the end of the day, any politician stock in trade is their credibility and popularity. And trump has fundamentally damaged the perception of hand. I think even among the the right.

I have a huge issue with this. And i'll tell you why. It's because the folks that are now going to go to jail were instigated by this guy.

And the folks that were there in many ways were brought. They were cajoled. They were instigated to travel from. Room, room to travel there, to take the time out of their lives, to basically then get fed this retorted. And in a moment of just crazy moblike mentality, to act out at the behest of the leader of the free world, there has to be a consequence, not just to those people, because they in many ways are not the person to prosecute. To the extent that you are going to put some of these people in jail, which we look like IT looks like we're going to.

And by the way, let's be honest, there is no inconceivable way that these people get charged with a mystery or that's not understand, right? And the worst perpetrators of this, when they get put in jail, will will get put in jail for five to ten years minimum. And so what what are we gonna when we look at herselfe in the and say, these poor americans at the end of the day, who were instigated by this sky, and he yet again gets off Scott free, while hundreds of americans who were basically in a peak of craziness fed by this guy, does something and goes to jail, and you have hundreds of lives and hundreds of families ruined.

Even if we don't find a way to basically put trump in jail for this, I can one hundred percent guarantee you, I will bet a million box. But now the southern district of new york, gloves off. Every single state that can go after this guy, gloves off. And to the extent that joe biden had any incentive to basically like, let this go away at the federal level, gloves off. In my opinion, I I really say that folks.

do you go after trump? What does that do if he gets put in jail or he know gets a there is some criminal proceeding brought against him. What is that due to the fifty percent of the nation that truly support him and truly care about him? Like the baLance of justice versus unification, I actually .

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twenty five percent of the country.

I think, I think, I think of the seventy million people that voted for donal trump, I think there are half of them who would equally vote for a Normal century candidate. And lip didn't necessarily believe in Donald mp. Then I think there's the other thirty five million, and I do think that there is a spectrum of those thirty five. And I think that you probably lost ten or fifteen million of them after the events of yesterday where they just throw their hands up in .

the year and say, hey, was really only inflame .

twenty and correct and I think I with and those twenty million people are, sad to say, concentrated in about ten states that don't functionally matter economically or otherwise. Um and the baLance .

of justice for unification certainly IT sounds like you're saying weigh heavily towards justice, right? Like more more folks will benefit from seeing him come to justice or perceive justice.

I think that will allow I think it'll allow the republic lan party to present itself. I think that's Better for politics. I think it's Better for governance. Its Better for america.

I think that allows a lot of people to basically wake up out of his haze that theyve been in in four years and say, well, wait a minute, enough. Like I was on a really bad bender. I did a couple things I really regret, and I need to reset myself.

How do you not find this turning into a tit for tat, berlusconi, italy, brazil, israel, kind of phenomenon where best .

tweet I saw on this, this woman tweet out that, uh, the following SHE said when the democrats lost in twenty sixteen, they needed pink cats and donated the plant, period.

No, they didn't know. They didn't. They invented a ridiculous russian conspiracy theory.

but that.

like ten people want.

they were. The russians were obviously not .

you like the last person, like the last person who still believes in this.

Well, listen, I still believe they tried, and I still think I don't know.

succeeded. I mulled, spent two years investigating this, tens of twenty five of FBI, and this year all G O P.

Talking boys effect is manifest. Went to jail for something .

completely unrelated. You must be the last person who still believes that trump one in two thousand and sixteen because of russian interview.

I think, I think he asked the ukraine for help, and I think he asked the russian for help, and I think that he would have gladly accepted to help. Now is IT was in A A conspiracy like in the bank?

No, I know if IT affected. This is the problem .

with your russia talking point is that you're trying to just say because he didn't get prosecuted, which she's probably not going to get prosecuted for this. The guy is a social offender, okay. And they were trying to get information from wiki leagues and they were trying to get the the hacks.

And so I don't know why you can so clearly see what he's doing, David, when he incites this violence. And then you don't see that he would he has no moral backbone or character and that he wouldn't accept foreign aid. He's he's a trees and is .

not that t here's my view. Okay, here's my view is that when you lose an election as a candidate, you have to look in the mirror and ask what you did wrong, okay? Trump fail to do two months ago, instead of just taking the l and you know and he he could have blamed that on the fact of vaccine was one week late, I mean, you know, said just accepting the loss, he invented this constantly theory that the election was stolen and he's basically, like freeburg said, been pumping IT months after months and he's enablers have perpetuated until we had this total breakdown and storming of the capital.

But again, you know where was the democratic republic sessile of why they lost in two thousand and sixteen, who on the democrat side looked in the mirror instead? Know we should have lost that election. What did we do wrong? They didn't do that.

Instead, they blamed IT all on russian interference. Or facebook, you know, all the sun. Facebook went from being a darling to being a escape.

And there was russian and heads being put with robles and tons of link forms confirmed done by the russians in order to uh for man anti I hilary sentiment, I mean, it's actually happened.

It's it's no, no, no, no effect .

the election, nobody can know that.

but I did. We can. Yes, we can because, yeah, I did. I did some efforts. Itt.

there was russian interference. So you before saying there wasn't and now you're saying there was.

i'm talking about, i'm talking about why somebody? No, no, it's not because here's the here's where you're being misleading. yes. Is IT true that there were some fsb Operative somewhere buying ads .

on facebook? Yes, hundreds of them, hundreds of thousand out .

of billions of impressions. okay. IT was a microscopic number of total impressions of the election, and the people who actually looked at those ads thought they were absurd.

Imagine some Operative, and me fish, my point. Imagine some Operative in moscow trying to influence ency american election, buying ads on facebook. Did they try? yes.

Look, foreign intelligence services are trying all the time. okay. But was that try? yes.

And did trump and his family asked them? No, there?

No, there is no proof collusion. There is no proof collusion.

OK take the meeting. OK.

no, that's what Miller. He spent two years investigating and have found no collusion. Look, so my point is, again, we're getting off on rabbit le here.

But my point was, when U. S. A candidate lose an election, you have to take responsibility for that. That was not done in two thousand and sixteen IT was not done certainly in two thousand twenty by trump. IT is the problem with both our political parties that they would rather invent conspiracy theories and lies, then acknowledged why people are rejecting them.

Yeah, I love this. I, I, I would say this, but that is not the point. David, you are right. okay.

Somewhere along the way, we got stuck worrying about the pronouns that we use and which bathroom should do should not be transgendered. While the american middle class was completely gutted from illar to post. That is what's created, the boundary conditions for this.

Every single time there has been an insurrection, or an uprising or a revolution in america. IT has never been about ideology. IT has always been about economics, always.

And economics is the tip of the spear in this country, whether we like IT or not. IT started with the boston tea party, you know, IT continue through the civil war. IT has always been about that topic.

So we all let that happen. We all have a responsibility to fix IT. That though, is a topic, I think, for another day, because that's the grand dark of what we need to do in our generation and fix this inequality gap. Meanwhile, we do have this tactical issue, which is you have the leader of the free world in my opinion, and I think in a lot of reasonable minded people's opinion, instigating essentially at a minimum of riot and at the maximum some form of.

like treason.

erotic form. I I mean that the problem is that is just like a it's just it's incomprehensible litter I fall .

in on the side that we need to prosecute. Now I I was fifty fifty on this, but i'll tell you it's tipped me over is you know if we don't prosecute them, there is a sort of like unfairness to IT. I think that's a very good point image from off. But I also think that he is go, we need to wake people up from this fog theyve been in to freeburg. And I don't I think we have to free the the republican party to get back to some more version that is reasonable, like U R, sex I would .

be a party the republican party has is already rejecting trump. So just look at what's happened last twenty, forty, forty eight hours, even after this storing of the capital. Okay, you had republicans to put who IT were just hours before objecting to the electors. They basically were saying, no.

i've changed for my mind. Who is that linsey gram, but not cruise, not that other Kelly later?

Or did there are a few other ones who switch sides? You had, you had excelled speeches by Linda grammar and romney. I agree with that.

They spoke very, very eloquently. And just today, a lane chow resigned as sector transportation. I think that's mostly significant.

His wife, look, I think I think after George, the republican party was already blamed trump for that. And now after the storm of the capital, they are ready to be done with them. This idea that you need to prosecute trump to, and somehow and his relation with the republican party.

I think you will just back fire. I don't think that's what the point is. I think the point is that nobody is above the law yeah and you lead, you know what?

Look, the thing with the people that attended this rally is in any other situation. And Jason, you said IT earlier. These are our veterans.

These are the people that are like working good jobs. They're trying to just keep amErica going. They've always believed in american exceptional.

And there was nothing wrong with that. IT was just perverted by this fucking scum bag. Yeah, he is a complete piece of shit, fucking scum bag his garbage.

And I think that's why you have to prosecute him. I think you have to make an example of him. I know that they with nixon, they took a different approach.

But I just think he's too dangerous to leave unprosecuted because every time he has some bad behavior rather was the ukraine whether it's, you know, russia, we can debate what level they wanted to engage with the russians or you know, in the case of this uh, rightest behavior, you know, I think he's not gona stop. That's the thing that I fears. I don't think .

he's going to would rather I would rather take every single person arrested and give them zero days in jail and add IT all up and give IT a drop.

Well, I I wouldn't I mean, I I agree with you to to some degree that they were victims of this two month propaganda campaign to convince the right that this election was stone. And I think a lot of those people who were storming the capital, they were there not to steal in election because because they were thought they were, they were prevent the ceiling election. And so yes, they have been duped by a lot of people, including your leading with with trump, but including a lot of other people who should have known Better. But but, but that being said, they did make the decision to hop the barricade, smash the windows, go .

into .

the.

But let's talk about this woman for a second. And I think it's important to look at this specific case. This is a person with a veteran.

And SHE was inside the hall already and was trying to breach another area. And SHE was just shot dead by secret service. They might have been protecting the VP. They might have been protecting Nancy polo or which macao, who knows um but they shot her dead. Yeah, I got on video.

I mean, I video, it's unbelievable.

And yes, I mean, coming from a law enforcement family, I can tell you that's a clean shooting. If SHE was breaching and they told her do not committed, we're going to shoot you and they were protect the secret services protecting and I said they're allowed to shoot you like you can jump that and she's a military veterans from the air force. I mean, what is in her mind how wound up with SHE by trump h, and by this propaganda that when they told her do not breach the second door and .

you just said the keyword, you cannot be spin up in all of this by Juliana he's a fucking and more on you know he can barely like not what is pants yeah no, you're not going to get fun up by sydney power. The only person that can really catalist this is the person that has the respect that comes with sitting in the seat that's called the presidency of the united, that he's the only one. He's the only one.

We all know this because if Julian, I was run this rally and said, let's go storm the capital, nobody would have done IT. We all know this. Look, yeah.

what do you think .

about this woman.

David? Like think about the psychology of this person for a second, the humanity of IT.

You know, i'll say something. I think man, politics is um isn't the problem. It's kind of the manifestation of the problem. If you think about how crazy that is that I I posted a tweet about the other day because I talking about IT a lot. I think it's so crazy that you can show people A T V or or a facebook out and get to change their mind, what to vote like um people are kind of shown stuff. And and the bigger problem is this kind of reduction ism that that's kind of enveloped all of this.

If you go back one hundred years, I guarantee you people were having deeper, more civil conversations about differences of opinion and waste to govern and um and laws are to govern and I think like you know, it's so easy to put a thirty second kind of reduction as ad in front of someone uh, insight their kind of a egga to to to resort hunt and change their mind about something or push him in some direction and I think that's the bigger issue with like what's been going on as people are being pushed all the one size um through this you know this this very kind of simple process. There is no dialogue to decide what candidate to vote for dialogue, decide um what path to take. It's it's all insidious like lock is as up you know kill them like everything is become extremely binary um and the gray scale is really the reality. And unfortunately we kind of really heard ourselves in this tribalism over objectivism kind approach to how we talk as a society and how we debate um and as a result, people are pushed over the edge. Uh and I think this is a manifestation of that, a problem which I think probably link to the internet .

and also why uh I think the G O P has just been completely, you know, but it's not just the geo dominated now, but I think they think is a good way to georgia. But which the same about aoc .

and you could say that aoc is doing the same to the democratic party and you know equally frustrated with this extreme point of view or a lizbeth warn or berny standards .

and know none of them got a nomination of you.

but they have and they were closed and IT was, hey, look, give everyone a million dollars, okay? great. Like, and tax the rich ninety percent. great. Like, it's easy to say and my point is by the way, I think the root of a lot of this is um is people are programmed to be unhappy, right? That that's how you instigate people to take action. The the bottom ten percent of americans make more money and have a Better position in life than the top ten percent of kenyans um and it's an incredible statistics if you think about to go to dollar street dot or a dollar street dom and you can actually play around and see what different people live like around the world. Yet in the U.

S, we are told at every strata, whether you're wealthy or or not wealthy relative to others in the united states, that you should be Better off and IT is um you know happiness is the difference between expectation and outcome and everyone's been set in expected beyond what they currently have and as a result through programmatic work that is done on people in the united states. Uh we are being told you should be unhappy on by the way, here's the short term solution, resolve IT and it's driving an incredible amount of um of behavioral shift and IT really threatens s democracy as we saw this week. And you guys will remember my my my big loser for the political loser for twenty twenty was the american democratic constitution. And I think we saw that this week.

And on the on on the heels of that, can I ask you guys what you think of this basically policy has told pants you have to invoke the twenty fifty minute where they're going to take up in peaching. What do you guys think about that?

I they get everything to do. How do you do think they have to be? There has to be a back stop against, is this possible trump run? Could do something, please.

You can still hear a thing I tweet. I prefer heart about this. If you are impeached, uh, successfully, you can't run again. Um so I think that this is a um a way to put the nail in the coffin of trumpet even having the ability to run in twenty twenty four, which I think is why the democrats are on the right side of history on this one.

That's my maybe they signed a non prosecution agreement with him if he resigns and that kind of the .

final I would like to see.

But jon, why can't you trust voters to make .

the right decision in twenty twenty four I um to trust voters its not about trusting the voters. It's more about do I think there should be ramifications for somebody's behavior? That's that's my fear is that if he keeps getting away itself, he could do something even more violent or dangerous.

Extra said earlier, it's a miracle that one hundred people were in shot dead, and this wasn't a firefight. I mean, if somebody takes out a gun at any moment during that and people start shooting, we can have hundreds of people. AmErica y's dead, not just the four who died.

And I think trump is absolutely capable of doing something in the last fourteen days. If he did this fifteen days out, why wouldn't he do something else seven days out or three days out? His armenian, I mean, this is insane, arranged, criminal lunate behavior is completely possible that he could do something more dangerous in the last 40 days。 I know that that sounds crazy, but look at what we saw yesterday.

I think I think there is like a White nuckles element to the next two weeks. I think we're kind of White nuka IT to see what's gona happen. We have three hundred hours to go till by in the sworn in. And i've got to admit, like i'm counting down the hours, you know .

saying .

everyone everybody boy's feeling that that being said, I just think that and more on on freeburg point of view on this, that we have this insane level of partisan warfare in the us. It's gone to like a whole another level and itis. And trump has definitely IT worse in the storm of the capital is the know is the genus of IT the apex. But look, the other sites man doing IT too. And the question is just how we do escalate this same important .

the the escalation tramp isn't by like being elected part I think .

I think that is yeah I think that is it's like we .

pick the most boring candidate who has the most milk toast middle of the road approach, who who a linsey gram likes and who travel the world with I mean, lady g loves him.

To the extent that ban has a Mandate, this is IT. I mean, and he talked about IT in his Victory speech that night, which was, which was quite good, is about bringing people together. Now look, I mean the issue, one of the issues is you can ignore the fact that democrats for last four years have wage this insane parties in work against trump.

I mean, let's not even go into the merits, but you had this two year mulder witchhunt. You then have this impeachment crusade, which look, if there was a lot of ability to the impeachment, why wasn't IT used as a campaign, sue, last year? I just think everybody knows, everybody knows that was hyper partisan. And and my point is that, yeah, look, I mean, I think it's a good thing if I incan deescalate. That is, I think, why he won the election is that you have seen as .

more the saying. Let me your question, do you think IT would have been do you think if trump had been in peach for the ukraine, uh, interference and pants had taken over, we would not have seen what we've seen yesterday and the country would have been further along to healing?

So you know, no, I mean, pens would not have invited or asked all his supporters to come to the capital to oppose the counting, the accounting of the electors. I look that was a unique trump thing for, you know, he could not accept the loss and had to keep pushing and pushing and pushing on this idea that .

he that the election was stolen.

And so I A I won't because you had if you had a peach trump and well, first all, he wasn't peach o but if you had voted to victim, if you had removed him from office, the senate had voted to convict over a phone call. okay. And look, i'm not defending the phone all, not saying the phone call was perfect.

okay? I know trumps IT was perfect. IT was not a perfect phone call, but you can't remove a sitting president for that. okay? Lucky was unseemly, whatever.

I think we all know what he was trying to do in that phone call, but you can remove a sitting president over that that was hyper partisan. And to know the country would be much further apart today if you had done that. And so the question now is, well, how do you bring IT back together? And I think I understand where moths coming from.

I think that trump deserves morally culpably. I think he is a some reputation but but I don't believe in locking him up or or prosecuting him. That's going going to make things much for crime.

For this crime. We don't even know what else is out there. I mean, I think yeah other issues out let's talk about georgia think we have now the time I mean that anybody really feels .

like continuing to talk Stacy burns as a genius I mean, my gosh, SHE should be .

in charge of everything .

yeah can we get on the .

vaccine really?

Well, it's rebble job in the democrat side mobilizing turnout. But the reason why the republicans lost georgia is Frankly, to trump costs them georgia two months ago. Por, do beat osf in that election.

He want, he want and he's been in him before. I think he is um I mean, he's not the most wonderful candidate, but I think he is a Better candidate. And he lost because of these antics over the last two months, culminating in that insane phone call that .

trump had .

with the .

George .

about burgan get kate, you just find me a one hundred thousand votes. Look, I just think I don't think is .

more prosecutable sending people to the capital or asking them and begging them to find him eleven votes. Which one is more prosecutable to use act?

Since you are going to be fine, let's Jason home. Let's move. Let's move away from the whole trump close to jail for that. I just want to I think it's important to talk about georgia because I think, David, you're going to make yeah exactly.

I mean, look, I think we're getting hung up too much on the legalities. And let us talk about what's right and wrong, you know, which is what we can agree on, and let lawyers and prosecutors figure out the legalities. Ramesh puri from natal of you had a great quote about georgia.

He said that purdue and law fleer could survive any two of these, three being an impressive candidates, georgia, shifting purple and trumping a maniac. And unfortunately, you had three out of three, and that's why they lost. If IT is a is a great quote, uh, you have the raff's worker call.

Can you just find me the eleven thousand days, the day before the election, or two days for the election? I mean, that had to push swing voters and undecided to the democrats. And the other thing is that producing lawler weren't able to make the best argument that they had, which is, if you vote for us, you end up with split.

You prevent the democrat from having all the power in washington. So unless you want to give all the power in washing to a single party, you need to vote for us. That was the best argument for voting for them, because there's a lot of people in this country who believe in splitting their ticket because they don't trust either party, which is kind of where I met. But they were unable to make that argument effectively because trump, still hanging on to the idea that he was, can be president.

No, I think, David, I honest. I think this comes down to the intelligence, the candidates. Kelly loafers are more on.

She's an idiot. h. David produce a good old boy. He's an idiot. stupid. This actually speaks to a bigger problem, which is the republicans could do so much Better if they could actually find Younger, more viBrant, intelligent people. And instead they find these fucking and morals. I don't know where they find them, but you know, they pull Kelly lawfare of some like back stage dallas beauty patch just kind of like flutter up and try tried to get her runs. She's a more later.

Later was a mistake.

Lauer was a mistake. Fucking in. idiot.

Did you read the story about her with A W. B, A?

Georgia is full of so many incredible politicians, and they found that .

idiot was a huge mistake. If they just voted, or I made, the government made a huge mistake, they put, they appoint her the last two months. I agree that she's a particularly weak candidate, but the republicans, all I need to one of these two elections. And purdue had beaten off off the four agreeth to you.

He's not neutrally the Grace canada of all time, but he has proved Better than osp in the past, including november and the reason why he lost two months later because what's transfer the last two months, ban has acted presidential and trump has done what he's done. And that made all the difference. And and that, by the way, is why you're seeing the republicans breaking from trump. They were ready on their way to breaking with them.

And then you had this, David, showing the capital. What are the implications for josh, holly and tech crews?

I think I think this was a blow to them because I think that what they were doing in terms of opposing the electors, everybody knew I was sort of cynical. And theater IT was there's this performative theater designed to curry favor with trump so that he might endorse them in twenty twenty four for the nomination. And IT was optimistic.

And the problem is that backfired horribly. And you know, people now see IT for what I was. And so yeah, I think it's going to ultimately, they try to do something optimistic that they thought would helps him politically.

And I think gonna urt them. But I have to ask guys, do you guys know the back back story of laugher and the atlantic dream? The W N B A T to .

is just the honesty. Jessie, i'm going to get so angry because he is just a complete piece of ship. Please don't fly. You can bring that up.

I think he is exactly burger .

aware of this, but I think she's a complete pieces ship.

SHE based tell the basically SHE was anti bio and SHE was writing letters to the N B A, W, N, B A to not allow the players to to be vocal about black life's matter with the you know after the killing of um the murder of George floyd. And ah so what the team did, if you look at that story is they backed warnock. They got on the court of him, they refused to say her name, and they rally the support of warn OK, who ultimately beat her, and they refused to say her name. I just ever again, the play was her .

t courage. If you want to see courage, the women that plan the w MBA are some of the most incredible people in the these. These are women that have basically stopped their athletic career, stopped fame, you know, stopped all of the attention, in some cases, stopped fortunes, to work on behalf of criminal justice reform, to basically overturn you unjust convictions. These women are incredible and meant to be suppressed, to be able to say what was on their mind. Kelly leather is a .

piece of ship, and they basically worth these vote. Warnock, t shirts every day at every game. I mean, imagine. And then now there, I think .

can be super D I think is the .

was the leader of the whole movement, brother her a provoked her are moving on from politics. I think we have to talk free berg about the deployment of the vaccine. Um I I did a quick poll on twitter and twitter in the american people have asked that freeburg, the queen of king wah, be responsible for the vaccine distribution going forward.

really. I mean, let's do IT. Um I would I would get that vaccine into everyone's arms in seventy five days.

I mean, I would be the cold look, that would be amazing.

What .

would you do? I want to do you can describe, you know we were supposed be at a million a day where three fifty trending towards four hundred. We did one point five million and seventy two hours according to fouche, at one point, uh, right after the new year.

So we're kind like half way where we need to be. What would you do differently? Because the rollout seems we we more than fifty percent .

are on the shelves. Still not a war time scenario. When war is happening, you don't go home at five P M, and wake up at nine A M and clock out for an hour for lunch.

You know, you know, don't run too fast. You know, you might trip. You don't do any of that.

We've created incredible disincentives in the system by, in fact, coro put out a million dollar fine if if you get your vaccine out of line, I mean, think about the distance centive that creates. Now, people are more scared about giving the vaccine to the wrong person. Then they are incentivize to give the vaccine to the right person.

And the reality is, this is a group game. This is an individual game. It's not about who gets vaccinated at first, and you'll live and you'll die. We all need to get vaccinated as a group so that we all have immunities so that this virus stops s spreading. IT doesn't matter if you're individually vaccinated.

IT matters if we're all vaccinated because that's the only way we're all going to get out of economic slump that is truly damaging this country right now. And so the first step is create a military style Operation. Figure out how many feet on the ground.

You know, it's it's all a rate base system, right? How many are you running per day? And then how do you achieve that objective? And over time, you have your target rate per day.

You would scale IT up over seventy five days whatever you roll out time frame needs to be. And you would say, this is how we're onna get there. We need this number of people giving shots this many minutes apart.

And then you go figure out where you're gona give the shots and who's gona give them get the vaccines toward. They need to get to take over all the gym, asians and all the stadiums and all the open sports facilities around the country. People can drive up, stand in line, get a freak and shot, and sixty five year olds get priority for the first thirty days.

And then after thirty days or sixty five and over, crowd loses their priority. And its open season for who wants to get a shot. You stand in line.

You get a shot, walk in. You got three point eight million nurses in the united states. You go contract five hundred thousand of them.

You give them a huge figure, one time bonus to come and run this program. You run twenty four our shifts in the genius around the country. People come in, they get shot. They get out takes three minutes.

If you're feeling weird, if you have risk of elegies, you go sydney in the room, you wait for two hours, there's a bunch of roaming nurses keep on and you get this thing done. That's IT. This is not that complicated.

And we can leverage the national guard to create the infrastructure to support these lines and get these things down. We can go recruit the plenty of nurses association. You go.

People can work overnight shifts and get paid triple overtime, get extra bonuses for doing this is a great way to kind of create economic stimulus around this. We can get at this entire country acid in ninety days. And the way that the israelis doing IT is a great model, you when they run out.

And so at the end of the day, if know when you open, when you take these things out a deep for ease, you are at risk of them spoiling at that point, because the M R N A is very, you can break, and so IT needs to be really cold, and then you ve got to get the vacation very quickly. Othe wise, the mra can degrade and it's not effective and you have to defrost IT in order to give IT. Yes, he defrost IT, then it's sitting there.

You got to give within a couple hours. And if you got, they're doing and we're looking outside, they grab the pizza y that's on yo a, they give a shot to grab the next day. You do not need to track everyone that gets a shot.

You do not need everyone to show their I, D to get a shot. You do not need to X, Y, Z, all the direction tips that create friction in the system of rolling out the vaccine. You can be completely eliminated.

There's no qualifying criteria except may be being sixty five and over for the first thirty days. And we prioritize politics um over health and safety. We have made IT the case that the teachers should get the shot first, because the teachers unions created a an apple in california that they're going to go to work.

And the so now the teachers are gna get IT and the essential workers of people that are working in stores and warehouses, other stuff. And meanwhile, the people that can actually die from this fifty percent likelihood death, if you're over eighty five, are not getting in because they're not technically essential workers. So the prioritization where we've tried to create these architecture, politically motivated systems for defining who gets to the vaccine and who doesn't is absolutely killing us and literally killing us.

Four thousand people died yesterday in the united states and so the system is fucked up. The incentives with and don't bleep that out because that's exactly what IT is. The the disincentives we've created are destroying um the rollout. Um the ah the governors getting involved in creating models of prioritization that are politically motivator, killing us and and we should generally plan this thing. War production act, make a ship ton of the stuff grab IT all get one hundred million and those distributed to jazz around the country get the nurses and .

there get the national art. I, I should have been a federal effort.

Central planning is sometimes needed to get shit done. We did IT with the war production board during world war two. We did IT with the manhattan project there.

There have been examples where we've had to centralize planning for a massive short term event, and this is one of those events. And this needs to be priorities and organized centrally. And IT needs to have the right minded people on this, not kind of people that are political Operative and not people that are working nine to five. But the good new, this, this is a war, and we need to go win the fucking war.

I mean, the good time, trumpet time. And he's at camp day this weekend, so I think he can put some attention to IT. So can I ask a .

question freebooter? So you what do you think about this using markets to do at the vacine?

It's a great idea. I you have to get the incentive such that days systems are the incentive. The objective here is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly possible. So take that being your objective and then figure out, look, you guys are going na get a thousand dollars per person vaccinated in the first fifteen days and then you're going to get five hundred dollars, know the transition is and then anyone can sign up to buy doses at a at a cost they have skin the game, right? That's an alternatives.

So like wall Green and tvs by fifty million doses and then they are intimidate to get them roll out as quickly possible be um and Frankly, a few people have antifluorite actions across the country. That's just the reality. In war, you have some casualties. This can be perfect. IT has to be good enough to win the war.

By the way, when somebody goes into any flash shock just to clarify that yeah, you get an eppy shot. It's not fatal if you have an apple pen.

that's right. And so so you know when you get a when you get a uh, you know, a vaccine, if you get one of these vaccines to forty percent to sixty percent of people are going to have some sort of reaction, and you can have a fever because these are, these produce a ton of proteins in your body relative to what you Normally with the dead vaccine there. A lot of vaccines in your, there's a lot of protein.

Your body, your body reacts to get rid of that protein. You produce all the body bodies very quickly. So you end up having a fever, you up having log response or headaches, flushing or so.

Everyone's going to a have a lot of people going to have some sort of thing. So one of the concerns is they want to have nurses available and they want to have this feel like a controlled medical environment. But again, the reality is we have to sack IT up.

We have to accept the fact that people are going to be uncomfortable. IT is not going to be an easy, simple of vaccine like you get the flu vaccine in walGreen going to be a little bit comfortable. You may not have five or six nurses surrounding you and all the T, L.

C. That americans have become used to getting every time we, you know, brush our frequent teeth. And and we're gonna have some people going to any of the shock and are going to get APP ten shots and we shouldn't charging shots. Important point, but I think the market base model could work as well.

So as an israel done this, right, I mean, israel, they moved the old people to the front, the line, but anybody can get in line if they've got extra doses that day. They just keep sticking people. They keep jabbing people until they run out all they want til they run out.

And so probably a twenty percent of the population by now.

Yeah so i'm sure we all agree with everything you're saying.

IT speaks to an enormous amount of political incompetence. I mean, it's really, really just unbelievable why we just don't have smarter people in charge of these things.

But thanks. I just want to ask you because there is the conservative argument on this, which is states the federal government shouldn't be doing everything and states need to kind of manage their their populist and manage know what what goes on locally. You know what is the conservative i'm not asking you this and i'm not attacking you. I'm just asking like what is the conservative argument for not doing central planning and central um organization around vaccine distribution and delegating IT the states? And you know are you know think that there's a case against um you know for that that that's pretty strong in within the republican party and within kind of conservation.

I I I think if there is a point of view you on this IT would just be that let let markets discrete the vaccine, we'll do a much Better job. I know you know I think whether it's federal or state, the question is who's more incapable that are not really sure. I mean, I think the problem right now is that when you make vaccines distribution fundamentally political, then the debate becomes about exactly whose what is your position going to be exactly in line as supposed to just running the most number of people through the process as quick as possible. We're getting ourselves so twisted up and not over, making sure that the exact right person is in line, that we're having vaccines go to waste .

you to put that in contact. Twenty one million plus doses have been distributed in the united states. Five point nine have made their way into people's arms.

In other words, there are fifteen millions, over seventy five percent of doses have knocked on in people's arms. And in california, we have distributed five point eight five percent of the population vaccine ines. But we've only put one point three in people's arms.

So we are literally a four x where we should be. Where are twenty five percent of where we should be? IT is absolutely unbelievable that this is happening if the government.

if the government, if the government stopped trying to do anything, except you look, IT did Operation work speed that actually did help get vaccines done faster.

But that was just money here, point acts. All they did was create a market where they basically preborn all the vaccines, whether not they were gonna and then funded the market to go and produce them early. That's all that IT was a tear point.

That Operation warp speed, for everyone thinking, is a massive centrally controlled effort. IT was a marketplace incentives put up because I check they put up a couple billion dollars and set to all these farmer companies go produce the vaccine. And if that works, will buy on. If IT doesn't work, throw away. But let's get production going.

And that was that I can I use this as a segway like I what we're seeing is sort of we have a bunch of elected officials. We give them, you know, an enormous amount of responsibility. They also get this implied power.

And then you just you see sometimes in these acute moments, they're totally daily. Then I just want to move off of vaccines for a second. Then you get an elected official who is not acutely incompetent.

But IT seems broadly, grossly and consistently incompetent. And I wanted talk about chess, a boudin. And I I want to use saxes article, which, to be very honest, David was probably one of the most incredibly well written things you have ever created. I don't know, Jason, do we have shown notes? Can you put IT in?

Put put in the show notes? Yeah, put a link in the show notes.

Um IT is so fucking and good what you wrote, if everybody folks were listening, have a chance. David killed D. A. The killer D A. Um but IT basically, you know starts with the profile of this Young woman seem like an incredible woman that was killed by this uh, drunk driver but anyway, David.

you want to talk about IT? yes. I mean the last the last couple of months i've been following the syria co a couple of service, sco police department accounts on twitter, and I ve noticed these extraordinary tweet, which are going retweet a lot about how they kept arresting and then having to let go of all, all these criminals are committing burglaries, other crimes.

And you could see the frustration of the police department boiling off these tweet. And you basically there are substituting this new district journey that we've had chased of boodle. Who has elected? He's been an office about a year. He was elected the end of two thousand nineteen.

And so I started doing a little bit of research, and then we had this horrible new years eve killing of this, a wonderful Young woman, hanna obey, who came to amErica from japan for college and state here for work. SHE was just twenty seven years old. He gets killed by a criminal, someone who was released, who was paroled by chase a button back in April.

He had been in jail for armed robbery chases, released him as part of a plea bargain, and then he was arrested five more times for stealing cars and other crimes, most recently two weeks ago, and the da refused to press charges, and that that's the reason he was out on new year's eve. He stole a car, and then there was a hit and run where he killed hanna and another woman. And so, you know, I had already been noticing this issue, and so I started doing some, some research, and I have a research assistant helping me with this is the only way I could put something like this together.

And we went pretty deep, and we realized that the death of a hanna wasn't just an accident or an active negligence by this. Da IT was part of an overall philosophy of dearmer ation that he has, but he his background is very interesting. He was a child of parents who were in the weather underground who, when he was just a baby, committed armed robbery and were part of the murder, which was.

yeah, David, say the words.

they were domestic terrorists. Yeah, that's right. Were domestic terrorists. They participated an armed robbery against .

the domestic terrorists that were competent to win compared to what we saw yesterday in the capital. Like these are highly capable domestic terrorists, to be clear.

Don't know, I don't know how capable they were there. The robbery results in the death of two police officers, and IT brings guard, and they were put in prison. His mother spent twenty years in prison.

She's now released her. His father is still in prison of form as forty forty years. And he's described in the interviews how his earliest memories are visiting his parents in prison, how this shapes his entire political outlook.

And he became a public defenders, which I think was a pretty good place for him. I think if I were an indigent in criminal defendant, I would want someone like chase a beauty on my side. And but the problem is, he ran for district attorney, and he simply doesn't believe in prosecuting huge numbers of crimes, certainly property crimes, burglars, y shop lifting, vandal's ism.

And those crimes have absolutely Spiked in the city. Forty five percent increase in burglaries in one year, thirty five percent increase in still on cars, thirty percent increase in homicides. Crimes are through the roof because he simply doesn't believe in putting people in jail.

No, I sorry. Let me just point out is a little bit of the history to um to this notion that D S should change the criminal justice system is a ted talk h by guy adam for sex. I don't if you've seen that or any you guys have watched IT.

I was at the ted conference to the year that he spoke but this guy um basically thought you know he made the case that IT is the role in the opportunity for the distractor ney for the prosecutor to change the criminal justice system from the prosecutorial side that you can um you know kind of d motivate jail and and and other kind of um mechanisms of punishment uh and and push for a for A A A rehabilitation program as an alternative and that the distorted attorneys can take this this role on of changing the criminal justice system. And I created a little bit of many movement, and there was a lot of attention and follow up after he gave his ted talk. And I think the Francis go in large part picked up on the um the momentum coming out of this and other similar sort of stories about the da can really change the criminal justice. 我 and I began really kind of capitalized on IT。

In principle, a lot of people are motivated from a good place when they elected him, which is IT is, unfortunately, a lot of people get trapped in a life of crime, and the fact that their international of prison is a result of the fact that they put into the criminal justice system in the first place and parole is really harsh people and and all these other reasons why people's lives are ruined for simple mistakes and if they get an opportunity in life, they can fix themselves and they can come out um in a Better place so there is a bit of an origin story is not just like safe d disco s said let's get a man or kiss to da and destroy the world and kill us all like I think he came from a good and true place where this all kind of Virginia but obviously the experiment has gone severely ryan, Anthony, isco and his particular methods uh and and his particular actions have certainly caused far more harm. Anyone has seen any good as that. I think anted start the .

effort for him to well.

I think I think the danger is not that you have um an enlighten political pho, sophy. I think that's actually quite great than that. We can experiment. I think the danger is boat on the left and on the right where people cathartics ally deal with childhood trauma through their job.

And you know I don't know what chess beta has gone through and I feel very bad that he had an incredibly hard life um more complicated or maybe not I don't even know um but I wouldn't want to know that he's trying to deal with his own experiences um through his job because that's not his job meaning you you don't want an activist D A. I think you want A D A that's enforcing the laws. And you do want is you want to elect politicians .

who change the laws to reflect our values. Yeah that would be a Better through line, I think. And really, I mean, if you look at what's happening in several isco, I think we've conflated income in equality, which people in south cisco very tuned into with essentially junk is people who are addicted to incredibly hard core drugs that are very hard to get off of.

And we've had more deaths from overdoses of fenton, all than we've had from code, uh, by a magnet de to four or five. I mean, IT is bet loom on the streets of 3 frcds co。 And if you don't enforce a basic rule of law, what happens is the Price of drugs is cheaper, more valuable, more people try them, more people get addicted, and then more people come from other places because they know you have the lowest Price on drugs. And the Price of drugs is inversely correlated with prosecution of a drug crimes. So a prosecution of, so this is why several time and most .

drugs are purchased from criminal funds. So criminal activity goes up to fund the drug purchasing. So that's the vicious cycle driving.

There's a recall all going on. And then in related news, Gavin newson is now up to a million signatures in his recall, which I think is to there's the way there yeah.

they have until mid or late february, they're going to get the votes. And I think I think question you know freely. Ken, I talked about this just on a phone call he I caught a couple days ago.

I think IT is time guys for us to find an incredibly centers thoughtful candidate and put them into the recall race. Um against num freeburg had the best idea which was kim cardiac an which I think is incredible because he is very short. She's very likeable.

She's got enormous distribution. She's like a, she's about to become a lawyer. You know, that will be the action to run for president.

Look, it's pretty clear. Recognition, influence, fame is what gets people elected or not the best policy and not the greatest experience. From Jesse venture to onal chords, a dont are round and and I mean, these are celebrities who I would argue in the case of Jessie or choragium, maybe even donal drop as well.

Their celebrity was kind of IT had it's media driven apex and and this was a second act. And you know perhaps a someone like that is a great fit here ah kim kasi an really fits the bill. But um uh you know that's just a shot the dark. But I do think someone like that needs to go up because if you put politician up again, it's another one of these I roling events and the I really find appeal IT has to be a recognized person, you know, broadly recognize and unlike to person .

um we want to change .

I think I could be you he governor .

Jason doc government j i'm not ready to run for political and fifty and when i'm sixty, I would consider IT actually but not right now.

I want got a hop to, I think we all got a hop. But I was going to say one thing, which is the beginning of today's podcast was probably the punches that's ever been. And I think IT just speaks to the fact that there was so the the bar was so high for trump to have done something that would have actually gotten us to actually argue and interrupt each other. Can we have been so incredibly like loving and protective of each other for four years on this topic, but IT literally took an armed insurrection for right to find this kind of best?

Well, I mean, I think it's good for people to see sax, maybe an I or timah and sax or whoever disagree on some of these cases or or freeburg, you know, doesn't believe prosecuting trump. I think we actually had a split ticket there where sacks and freebody felt like we shouldn't prospect trump. And often I were on the prosecute trump one.

But I think we're all struggling with these issues. Americans are struggling with these issues of how do you deal with a big one event. I think that's what so unique about trump is.

And I think, David, you can speak to this, is I don't think the system was designed for his level of crazy, right? Like our system is based on norms and traditions and trust, just like venture investing is, and we see this invention investing. Some founder goes off the jumps offence.

And all of sudden, I would say our system performed pretty well in terms of being stressed, tested and well that we still got two more weeks. I think we're kind of White duckling IT right now. Yeah, hoping nothing.

Yeah, hoping nothing else happens. But but look if if trumps goal was a coup, you know I think it's a strong word but if it's like IT totally failed, I mean, he come close to uh to succeeding in a cup. No fact, the opposite. Again, we talked about, I think his he destroyed his popularity of the last two month.

He impacted his earnings by negative two billion dollars.

Yeah so but to this point about us, agree or disagree you I saw a whole bunch of fans of the pod. Like at mentioning me saying, I wonder what sexy going to say about this. I don't know what.

Like, yeah, I kind like like what do they think i'm going to say? Like they think i'm going to be supportive of that. I mean, you know and like, I think somehow you j son, you've programmed the viewers like, i'm somehow like to the trump guy because you're always trolling me as the trump supporter.

I mean, I I would believe that russia was a hog and that I would have treated the same climbing up those steps. We all know that's not true.

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