E40: A Bestie gets COVID, Delta breakthrough, Billionaire Space Race & more
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This week, we're going to play our favorite new game show. Guess who's got coffee? Yes, that's right. somebody.

On the time somebody got. It's not to me, sorry。

So here's the .

game person .

who got cold.

Have they been vaccinated?

Okay, all four of us have been vaccinated.

We covered that on .

a previous post.

So every cent double vx oub wax, we all V I wr OK.

So the across the board .

we got .

and this is a break through infection.

Has anybody take IT A Z pack .

after night party? I have.

Is .

good, is good.

Okay, so number one, clue. Number one, this busy .

got .

a breakthrough infection outdoors at a restaurant. Number one got IT outdoors. Number two, got from somebody who was also accent ated. Number three, does not fly commercial and he's not a fan of being interrupted and he is not an in evelina, David, the breakthrough. Va.

i'm glad that my getting a breakthrough case of kova is is comedy filter for you somehow.

We can sort to the fans .

and just got.

Sexy, put break IT down. Walk us through the like, what happened and then how you felt?

Yeah, okay, so what happened?

You're safe, obviously. Obviously we wouldn't be joke. You lost fight. Pound, so.

yes, yeah, yes.

You may want to read some of the beautiful text messages we sent you when we found out this.

Yes.

Jackson. Would you say Jackson? You said I was just like .

wild fig about who we could recruit for the fourth spot. We kids or boy, we get Peter teil in here.

I said that I really, really hope you didn't die. But if you did, I would love to have your plane as a support plan for my plane and thinking.

you know what, I might be pro san Francisco. If you die, I.

I might want, I will. Sorry guys, i'm to live. Sorry, jin, I live. Here's basic. What happened? Okay, is so tuesday of last week, I had dinner with a few friends and then my friend just .

wear out outdoors.

Yeah what exactly? We were at my hea L A, which the outdoor parking.

the outdoor .

parking lot area, which is a covered outdoor area. So you know these like covered areas are effectively inside because of traps here and there but an event we had dinner there. Um the next day he woke up with a fever and sore throw.

He went and got a cov, a test. He test a positive. He is also a double taxed with fixer.

Okay, so and and I reported this two guys last week or last week show. So I went out right away on wednesday, got a cover test, was negative. I repeated the test on friday, was negative. And then sunday roles around and I wake up and I got a fever, but I don't really have a sort throw, but i've got kind of, I say, an occasional dry off and i've got and i've got a sinus congestion.

David, mild fever or like like ninety nine point nine or like one or two point one.

IT topped off about nine nine point nine.

There a fever. I really fever.

but I mean, was definitely there. And I took time and all, and I brought IT down to the low ninety nine ines. And so only event first thing, money.

morning. When got the cove a test and sure enough, I cove IT, they can confirm that is dealt very import. They think IT is because this was like exploding in L A.

Right now. And so yeah, I mean, look, I mean, the good news is it's very mild. I mean, it's now thursday and I feel like i'm like ninety nine percent recovered. I don't have a fever anymore.

Are you ten days now this?

No, no, no, no. I came the symptoms on this past sunday and is now thursday. So I.

and when were you exposed .

tuesday night? So it's exposed. Yes, you're right. It's about ten days.

But convinced that .

was the only yeah, so was a super .

spread at math. So yeah.

yeah, basically. But IT shows you how violent this new delhi varian is. I mean, you've got there are four people out that night plus the person who who had IT and two out of the four basically got IT and we were all vaccinated including the person who had IT and of course he didn't know he had a hidden any symptoms till the next day so um and you know I got IT I got IT five days after exposure is that five days is like clock work did you have like .

a pothos did you measure any of these other things? Any ts have change IT all yeah .

I I have the poll sox meter and has spent around ninety five percent. So IT is done.

You should be like ninety eight, right? Yes.

is down slightly. IT is down slightly.

And if you go to ninety two and ninety three, they say, go to the emergency room, I think.

And and did you self isolate from your family? Yeah, I did. But we were .

load a little bit into A A place of over conference because I remember .

I I got cover a test on .

wednesday and then friday, and they're both negative. I thought we through IT. So I was at home and and then and then so my eleven year old got IT, even though I was iceland.

This thing is, I mean, this thing is so contagious. So you know what I red is that delta variant is sixty percent more transitions visible than the U. K.

Version, which was the alphabet on. The alphabet on was sixty percent more transmissible than original copy. So you're looking at a transmits sibly. You multiple those together of two and a half times the original and the gino cove IT had an or not of two to three. So you multiply two to three by two and a half times, and you're looking at five to eight exchange to .

the audience. What that means in .

terms of reality IT means the are not is how many people does the average infected person transmit before they know they have IT and can fully self isolated? And so you're going from original copy was two to three delta very might be like eight. We're getting up into like small pox territory with this thing and it's all the more transmits simple because um you know vaccinated people can get IT.

The israel data that we ve talked about the show last week was sixty four percent effective ess that israel reported that the effective of fier I had gone from like ninety five percent to sixty four percent in terms of preventing infection. So you have maybe a third, a vaccinated people can get IT, and then they can spread IT without even knowing they have IT. So I think we're at the point now where if you're not vaccinated, you're going to get you're gna get the delta of variant.

We're seeing now cases explode you know all over the country, even in L A county. They've now had a um the five day average cases has jumped five hundred percent one month. So pretty and Jason, you've waited this. If you are not vicinity, you are choosing to get the delta very at this point. I mean, this thing is extremely transmissible.

That's what there is a great tweet by Scott Adams, the guy who the cartoonist who I who .

listens to the park.

by the way, who does this to the part uh he had he had a really great quote he like, um uh today is either wednesday yeah for a those that are vaccinated or uh yet another day where the unvaccinated amongst you are likely to get uh, covered something like .

that right was at the tweety today's wednesday for people who are vaccinated or IT is the day you're gone to get you know the virus .

yeah we got ta stop stop messing around with this thing now here here's some good news actually is so on on the the wednesday when we found out that my friend had has a positive but again I was still negative. I had no symptoms, I had nothing um I told my wife SHE had gotten one shot. He got in the second shot and we were on the fence of my whether my thirteen rules should get the vaccine. They both raced out that day. God vcs ated that we did not get the virus, so they had basically call IT three or four days of the of the vaccine to trigger and unresponding in their system.

And that protected them. They did not get. And David, did you take anything else like pretty .

on you took nothing. No steroid, my friend. He did get proscribed prag nissa. My doctor thought that was unnecessary. Bad idea for me.

All I took, okay, was thailand all to control the fever, and I took flow to reduce science congestion. Look, I mean, I don't want to overstate this. IT was a very mild cold for me, and that is why I think everybody should, right?

I get vaccinated. What did you pair IT with? Like A A peppy van wingo, or did you go to screaming eagle? What did you pair? You go with free.

But also the worst part is not to he has such a shit wine less, you probably drink this like random .

swell that's like some like megory socky a likelihood freeburg last week I was a asking you where he was two weeks ago I was considering getting the maDonna because I was like, I think getting two of these things will boost you into the high nineties you said I was crazy um as your position .

changed on that yes.

可以 explain because this is the one time i'm ever gonna right about science a week before you。

So I I think I think the data to that point didn't necessarily um kind of validate that additional level of action. But now IT does, and I think new data coming out. So I saw uh, an executive from a pharmacy al company a few days ago.

OK, who broke down some statistics .

that they looked at in israel. And what they were identifying was that of the newly infected cases in israel of people that are vaccinated, uh, nearly two thirds of those people were vaccinated in january, um about thirty percent we're vaccinated in february and less than ten percent were vacation ated march. And i'm just approximation and and and i'm just kind of transcribing you from of what I remember him saying.

And so he said, you know the the more recent vaccinations were not seeing breakthrough cases break through infections. So the more recently you're vaccinated um the less likely you are to have this. And then I I met with pretty well known biologist a few days ago as well, who highlighted for me that we are seeing antibody titters decline over time in people.

But there's other studies that are showing, which means that the antibodies against coin lood, if you have a slowdown over time, and we knew knew some extent, but there is another study that show that memory b cells, b cells are the immune cells that make anti bodies. And they were, remember, the anti bodies to make, and they were worried, are we losing those b cells in the human body? And another study found, actually, they are in your length notes so they went in, they pull them out and they identified, look at these b cells are persistent. We are having a persistent immune memory to cove IT when we get exposed to vaccine or the virus and um and so you know those two data points, both of them kind of said, I think we're gna need to do a booster, very good dent for everyone and we're going to need to get a third .

shot if the tail facebook seems like it's like six months.

Yeah, that sounds like he was saying that you're going to see an efficacy drop to that kind of two third level after about six months of after getting your your vaccine and you know he said, look, this delta variant is violent but you know that the more pressing kind of point isn't that it's this very much that breaking through is that the 呃 efficiency of these vaccines at this point looks like it's such that we're gonna need to do boosters。

Now sizer went to the White house this week with some of this data. And they presented IT to the White house, and the White house said, uh, if you guys follow the news, I, I, I am hearing this. I am repeating what I read the news reports at this point but what they said was, uh, you know we're not ready to kind of commit to doing booster shots for a couple of reasons.

One is there a lot of people out there that haven't had their first shots um and uh, we're seeing the people that are having these breakthrough infections almost univerSally, not always, but very, very large, majority having very mild symptoms and not getting hospital lives. The death rate is still very, very low. In other words, the vacation job prevent you know an infection, meaning that the virus starts replicating in in a way that's uncontrolled in your body but that your immune system had enough of the defense to keep IT from causing severe disease in your body.

Ninety nine percent of the people going to the hospital are unvaccinated, right?

exactly. And so we're seeing that the great success still with the vaccine, but they are seeing and there are now studies that you know, I think reference to your earlier point that you know if you put a different R N A train um R R N A sequence in your body, which a and fighter have slightly different, you know sequences, you end up creating different antibodies and having more diversity of anti bodies. Uh can a kind of provide greater community? So it's almost certain we're gona get booster ers and that we're going to end up seeing them hit the market next year.

Yeah is is the booster different than the original of your example? If I get a five or booster, am I only basically getting still an expression of that orn N A trend that i'm supposed to basically like, is is the formulation the same dosage?

So both of those options are still a opener. And so we may still get the same vaccines that we were getting before you could go get A N A shot. You go get another via shot of the exact R N A sequence that you ve got before. Or they may introduce some new ones. And so all the farmer companies are proposing both approaches and they're pursuing both pads right now, and we will see where we end up.

And what about swapping between an an R A approaching and a traditional vaccine approach? So getting jan j plus madera or vier verses like there's a lot of A B testing we need to do to figure out what is the most efficacious.

And exactly like this is reminds me exactly of h IT took ten years for them to find out what cocktail .

actually work the best. And now look, HIV is I mean, it's it's it's nothing. It's really not not that bad the way that we probably, for those of us in our forties, having emblazon in our mind is how bad IT is versus how bad IT is.

Was a death sentence. IT wit IT seem like a death sentence. And today it's kind of more more managed .

than Frank is. Is like having diabetes for something.

I have another crazy statement here which is that if you take the the case fatality rate of covin and um now you think about the fact that there's going to be call IT sixty percent of amErica that's vaccinated and then every six months will be getting boosters and then you have the the dish on the other side of the forty percent where you'll just be ripping through variant after very and after variant eventually IT sends the reason that if forty percent of americans remain unvaccinated two or three years from now, the odds that there will be a strain that is the killer strain that does meaningful damage to those people, I think is basically one hundred percent and if you think about a case fatality rate that's meaningfully high, what you're effectively going to do is start to call these people from the earth. And that is a crazy idea. But that's but folks who choose to not get vaccinated are .

setting themselves. I mean, it's the quint essential is I just got probabilities.

I am I getting something wrong here? probably? Ally.

isn't that this what i'm concerned about? And it's not just americans not getting, it's the rest of the world. I mean, even if we got to extraordinary, extraordinary high accent ation rates in the us, this can be large know numbers of people outside the U.

S. You never get backside. You'll continue to be a Better dish to give you your comparison.

The common cold has eighteen hundred variants. That's why we can't get vaccinated. So we're on the delta variant right now. I think they actually have numbered variance up to lanta. We're going to run out the letters, the alphabet really soon.

You know how long will I be until there are IT? There are these culver arian steps that I mean, look, I mean that can punch through that can punch through the the vaccines. It's pretty scary actually.

And I would say that um this is like quite to come down off where we were just two weeks ago, you know, where we thought the Fisher of vaccine was still ninety five percent effective. Now sixty four percent effective. I mean, look, I do want to like underscore that the the vaccine worked in the sense that what I got was super mild.

I think I was really just like getting a cold. I mean, I didn't need to take anything more serious than taller. But but IT does show that the virus is mutating really fast, is highly transmissible. And i'm not sure if you .

have you have .

a yeah yeah.

So when will you get tested to figure out when you don't have any?

I probably going tomorrow because feels so I feels to me like him about ninety eight percent .

free breakfast. Or is there any data um about the pattern of people who are vaccinated getting this thing like is remember how I know there was early data that showed you know women had a different immune response in men and like people who are what was IT o positive or you know a certain blood type effectively had in born community.

I ve heard anything like that um and so this is still an emerging issue I think um know .

when I was vacated a few months ago, guys like I I like .

second .

t basically like .

a few months ago.

Yeah, it's very much one thing I think it's worth highlighting just to reinforce the vaccine importance know the biologist uh infections to these guy net with was telling me that um you know one way to think about this is the more opportunity the virus has to replicate, the more opportunity has to evolve.

And so when you're vaccinated and you have a mild case and your body recovers in a few days, um just to give you guys a sense the difference when someone that's not vacation ated has code and they have measured the viral load in the notes from day one when they start having their infectious kind of presentation the day four, which is when they pick the viral load, is ten to the eight tire. okay? That's like a hundred million times higher.

So that's one hundred million times more viruses are being produced on day for than more being produced on day one when you were already showing symptoms. So every time of virus is being produced and is replicating within your body, uh, is getting a chance to mutate. The important point he emphasize was, what matters most is we get the most number of people on planet earth vaccinated as fast as possible, because the faster you can get more people vaccinated, the fewer opportunities you give the virus to replicate and find itself a mutational path that can ultimately break through all these vaccines and and and cause real severe loss of life. Um and so the you know the presentation that sex kind of described is is encouraging in the sense that is likely means that the virus did not create that there was not that much of a viral load or huge viral load relative to what there would have been if he wasn't vaccinated. Um and so even though he did have an infection, um you know the virus didn't get as much of a chance to spread other .

people because my friend who I got IT from after one having dinner one night, he was double max with fizz and um my eleven year old daughter got IT yeah it's for her again it's just like a cold yeah but um so this thing is highly transmits simple and IT change IT changes the equation, I think, on some policy questions.

So yeah, but what does that mean for the fall? What now? what?

So two weeks ago I thought that because I was vaccinated, I didn't need to care whether other people were vaccinated, ted, because up until that point, the data was, you were ninety five percent plus, you know, effectiveness. So why care if other people get? Now we can say for sure that that unvaccinated people can or vaccine people even can get other people can get you sick even if you are vaccinated.

So I think IT absolutely changes the equation on. So for example, colleges were requiring students to get vaccine to return in the fall. Like before, I didn't think that nesta, I made a lot of sense because if you wanted protect yourself, you give accelerate.

Now IT makes sense, right? Because the college needs to get to hurt community to protect everybody against you, potentially delta vaio, right? So I do think that changes the equation quite a bit, and I think we need to make a big pusher to get everyone.

Are you then in fact sex for, uh, vx passports, which as you know, uh, libertarian I think uh is I think part of your political, I think everybody else call us kind of got a little libertarian like you got to make your own choices here. But is IT change your thinking about that? I employers, colleges, a city state workers, teachers are either get vx or don't come back to the office and your fired.

Well, i'll tell you, I I don't like the idea of government, uh, having the power to to stick a needle in your ARM. But I do think that employers, work places, schools. I think it's very reasonable for them to say if you want to come back to the workplace, you can have to get vaccinated because your unvaccinated .

status creates a risk. IT .

creates externality .

for everybody. Here is the craziness. This is at a self inflicted wound.

We are down to only seven hundred thousand vaccines being given a day. We peaked. We had the ability to do five million shots a day.

At the peak. Back in April, we had over five million shots in one day in the united states. And that's a country where know whatever two hundred and seventy million adults, you know, were able to get IT.

In other words, two percent of the adult population in a single day could have gone IT. Now were down to seven hundred. We have over a billion vaccine sitting on shelves.

Eighty percent of democrats have received one shot prepared to forty nine percent of republicans. Twenty seven percent of republicans say that they won't get vaccinated under any circumstances, compared to three percent of democrats answering that question. The same way, and an additional nine percent will only do so if required. Again, three percent of democrat said they would only do so required so that thirty six percent or opting out.

I get IT. But this because we allowed him to become a position, meaning it's it's not like any anybody has a position on breathing. Breathing is not a political position, right? Is not like I choose to not breathe or drinking water or trying to, you know like this, like eating three meals a day, if you can. Uh, we have allowed the most basic of issues, in this case, you know, collective public health, to be politicized in a way. And that is entirely the governments for.

is the government followed in the media and the media because the media .

is exacerbated IT so that they can have power people on .

the conservative side of the spectrum have learned to distrust the media and big corporations because in government, because we've been lied to so often, most recently with yeah right, most recently with like the laborious theory. And so you know, there is a suspicion on the right. Like what aren't they telling us, you know?

Um no, look, I think we've tt a get over this. I think you know we need to get everyone vaccinated for all the reasons that freebase said or look everyone that they get delta version. I mean, maybe this is a good news is that we can rapidly get to heard community .

by getting dot very well. That's the vital outcome for any infective disease. Highly effective decision is either you can vaccinate or everyone .

going to get IT. It's maybe that whatever the more dangerous than one is.

let me just highlight .

what i'm most concerned about. I I am most concerned about what's happening with sex. Just anecdo ally speaking. I'm not gona speak the i'll speak to one statistics. But like anybody speaking, i'm hearing this happening more, more frequently. I don't know about you guys, other friends, other people, you know but a lot of other people i'm hearing about their double vets are now getting coded.

So as that starts to happen, uh, the implications for the economy I think are pretty significant um because I think people whether there's a policy change or not, people are gone to get scared again and people if are not kind of enforcing economic locman, people will go to social lockdown. Um and we're going to revisit uh, you know more of the behavior we saw over the past year where people are going to be nervous to travel, uh, people going nervous to fly, people going to nervous to go to restaurants. And you know the downturn consequences of everyone can locking up again. Even if you government doesn't enforce lockup PS could be pretty catastrophe hic.

You feeling that way yourself freeburg in other words.

and I gonna you self up.

are you gonna to dinner? You going to go to travel to italy or to, you know, japan? Or you know, would you go to disneyland with your kids? So how is that affecting you, your personal behavior being a man of science?

Ah so so my personal circumstances a little different right now. I not not to get into IT um uh just with my uh you know my White pregnant and we're moving houses and we ve got a bunch of reasons so I were not traveling and in themselves unnecessarily right now um but I would say that at this point ah you know if all other things being equal, what I go to disneyland with my kids, I would probably wait right now, seek to twelve weeks to see what happened .

here right so I .

think like if I find feeling that way now, I think a lot of people are going to be feeling that way in the next four weeks as they hear about more friends getting covered. The good news is the hospital. So I am most can.

We are in a very, very, very, very delicate economic recovery right now. And you know, we have put out so much money to stimulate this economy, everyone is so walking on like the readers edge to keep things, you know, growing. We were afraid of inflation.

Number Prices today, by the way, are lower than they were when this whole kind of inflation in everything started. Everyone is freaking king out about IT. So um you know number Prices are lower than they were the start of the year, which is you know like a lot of this kind of inflation, which is kind of come out of the equation already.

So the markets have taken that pricing head. And now we're going to be in a circumstance where people might cancel their travel, people might cancel their the restaurants, people might stop going to the office again, stop you know getting in the car. Oh, so I am most concerned about like the psychological effects of of what we're seeing, what these breakthrough infections, the frequently of them.

Now if you look at the israel data, israel had zero depth for two weeks. They're now averaging about one depth a day. Um and despite this, you know huge gentleman they are going about, I think, five hundred breakthrough infections a day right now.

So that is good statistical news, right? Statistically, this breakthrough infections are not fatal. They're not causing hospitalization.

You know you did the math going back a year and said these are the actual statistics of COVID. People would be like, okay, no big deal, let's move on. It's it's a tough kind of virus.

But because of the circumstances where we we we are kind of under these these feelings that this is a fatal disease and could cause fatalities, those statistics don't matter. The fear is what matters and people are going to start to behave quite differently. I think in the next few weeks.

I have a slightly different point of view here. But um I think freeway you I think you're write in some respects um but I don't think that is gonna come from people. I don't think people I think people are exhausted and they want to go back to life is Normal yeah and I think this summer was a window into some amount of Normal sea for a lot of us and I don't think we really do want to go back. Um and so I think what's what's really going to happen is there's going to be essentially some form of class warfare. And instead of rich verses poor and left verses right, it's sort of between people who believe in science and then the you know ideologically dogmatic who refuse to get IT and that's gona play itself out economically.

I agree with you, there is going to be meaningful forms of economic discrimination against people who um are unnecessarily compounding risk for the rest of us who want to deal with the ideally touchwood has a common call like David said and move the fuck on and if we are prevented from doing so because economic policy and health care policy has to constantly get rerated for a cohort of people who could protect themselves in everybody else but chooses not to, there is going to be a real push back on that. The second thing that I think is gonna en is politicians proved that if you give them a window disease power, they will do IT. And I think what's really gonna happen in the fall is if there's even a small model of risk, which there will be, as we just .

talked about, exit.

I think it's the politicians that are gonna want to jump all over this and say, okay, guys, you walk downs here. You can do this. You can do that. We just did .

the big grand reopened. California is back. You could see him locking IT back up in september?

Or is the best way to it's the best way to not out any chance of of the recall going against them is that even if you were angry, you're not going to be allowed to basically will be a massive .

for a voter oppression. You saw the foot flopping .

that he already did actually on schools where the the government of california basically said, hey, you know, we're onna Mandate a mask policy in the fall and the newsom came out because people freak out and said, uh, actually know each local municipality can figure that out based on, you know what IT what IT means for them. The point is guys um free brokers, right? These things aren't going away. We have a cold heart of people who will continue to allow this thing to become worse than IT has to be and I think that there will be economic repercussions and discrimination against those people for that. And I think economically, we are going to take a step back because politicians will try to slow the economy down again .

and and there is definitely from the right um not to get political here, but they've been pretty silent about encouraging people to get vicinity and um you know at sea back in other places people were cheering the anti vax movement. Mitt romney came out, uh, we don't control conservative media figures so far as I know, at least I don't that being area for anyone to suggest that we shouldn't be taking vaccines.

Look, the politicians politicization of vaccination is an outrage and Frankly, moronic. Which meal came out and says a polio victim myself? And I was jg. I've studied that disease that took seventy years, seventy years to come up with two vaccine that finally enter the polio threat. As a result of Operation works speed, we have not won, not two, but three, high effective acceleration, perplexed by the difficult we are having finishing the job.

This is where you can expect the politically correct companies to act first, because there the woke mob will force some action on this issue, whether you like IT or not. But this is, this is where the next petition will come from, apple, where the two or three thousand employees were vaccinated at such a who have people with know um people in their households with with uh, who are you ological ally suppressed and they're gona say, hey guys, this is crazy. Well, that petition .

might be the first appetite that would make sense because those employees are directly impacted by other employees. Come the workplace and vacation ated unlike yeah the issues around israel or tonio's .

book whatever that they should have taken a position on them feel .

safe and yeah so actually yes yes v coit is covered in the work place is a real safety issue, not whether somebody I wrote a book five years ago. So so I think they do I think employees do have a right to say to their employers, listen, are we gonna a vaccinated workplace or not? Because that does impact their risk.

But but j into your question about should people change their behavior in light of this news? okay. In light of the fact that we now are learning about some reduce effect ness of the vaccines, here's why I tell people sitting where I am, this is not a big deal.

I mean, for me, OK was not a big deal. IT was like a mild cold. I i'm not going to change. I'm going to go back to Normal like my precoe behavior. And I would tell you like if you're double vex, I don't think you need to be that A. Ate of this because, you know my doctor said they are seeing a bunch of these breakthrough cases but they're all very mild .

IT really is like getting a cold. I'm changing my behaviors. I made my risk assessment is if I get um then i'm doubly protected uh and i'm not gonna end up in the hospital to focus all my energy and writing my bike and and taking my kids and have a good time. I'm not going back and locked down.

So I think that's right for you. But but here's get complicated, is my parents, who are in their seventies and one of them has an union condition, asked what they should do and I said, listen, if I were you guys, I would not be going to public places. I be masking up they're asking if they should go on a trip and I said, no, I would actually, if I were you, I would lock down until this blows over because you're at elevated risk. And so yeah, for me, getting covered was like a mild case. But for them maybe I could be more serious.

So all IT takes is ten percent of the population acting like what you just describe. You recommended your parents sex for there to be economic ripples associated with this this breakthrough kind of condition for a while. And that's where I have the most concern is, again, like you know what kind of .

you're not concerned about the that right, but you're concerned about the economic impact of psychological scars that are now in place.

I will explain I said you guys a link to the reuters article where they covered the press conference with the prime minister of israeli the other day and um basically they are taking what they're calling a soft suppression strategy um where they are encouraging israelis to learn to live with the virus involving the few as possible restrictions and avoiding a fourth national lockdown that could be further harm to the economy and he said implementing the strategy will entail taking certain risks, but in the overall consideration, including economic factors, this is the necessary baLance.

Um and so it's a it's it's a very kind of pointed position that they're coming to. I think the U. S. Government, the federal governments going to have to come in the same one, but we have different states and different local governments that are going to act differently.

And because we you know we have authority um vested in those different jurisdictions, you could see different public policy officials take different positions. And what were talking matic from cisco said restaurants have to go back to twenty five percent capacity. IT would decimate these already struggling small businesses and there is no more stimulus dollars available.

And so you kind of think about this, or ten percent of people cancel their vacation plans, what's are you going to do to airlines and hotels? So again, my concern s, are we able to hit a wave of economic ripples that aren't necessarily tied to what is the right thing to do from a policy perspective or or a science or help perspective? But really the psychological effects of the scared and concerned saying, you know what, there's more money available.

You know, we got bailed out before we get bailed out again. Let's implement a shut down. Let's implement a lock down. Let's not go to work whatever decision tree you may have as a business on our police because .

there is an important point here, which is, listen, covet s can be with us for a long time. We're going to need to make a really smart cost benefit analysis decisions in how to deal with IT. We can go back to lock downs because they didn't work.

They're extremely expensive. We spent ten trillion dollars battling cover last year. We cannot do that again.

We don't have the the bullets are going to keep firing at this thing like that. We got to start making intelligent decisions. eua. Ym, m is not going to work.

This idea that the premise of euros m is that we can stamp out every last message of cove IT that maybe that was even a possibility when vaccines were ninety nine percent effective, but now that they're not, there's no chance of stamping alcove IT. So we've got to learn, we've got to like like the israel example, we've got to learn to live with this thing and make smart cost benefit decisions. But I also think, you know, this is kind of a disaster for humanity.

We now have this new category of illness that's rapidly mutating. We don't know what the end of it's going to be. Uh, like I said, there's a eighteen hundred version to the common vid is causing these symptoms, by the way. And anyone noticed how many different symptoms this virus causes in people? There's over two hundred work .

on for one time.

Yes, exactly. Everyone knows it's a lab engineered virus. Does now plague on humanity? This is really a disaster. This is going to, I think, permanently impact human life expectancy. I mean, this is.

this is a three problem. We could have avoided this entire thing here in the united states, at least if people just took the one. How frustrating is this, that we would probably have cases down to a thousand a day, and that's down to ten a day, like israel, if we had just got everybody to take one of the billions of access vaccines sitting on shelves and in C, B, S, S and wall Greens across this country. How stupid are we?

We don't have the collectivism to to make those actions. If you think about what's happening, and israel did two different examples in china, collectivism manifest as like basically a top down, you know, form of governance. Okay, in in israel, collectivism comes from a need for state level security, right? I mean, i've traveled israel a lot.

I've worked there, and it's crazy when you see how people co Operate together the minute you hear the missing alarms. And so there there is a way for people to do cost benefit analysis in this real because it's a matter of life or death, and they've been trained to do that. So either it's imposed on you, like in china, or people botton up can understand these tradeoffs s like in israel.

We are in a very different place where literally what we have are three things that are in conflict with each other. Jason, we have politics and the desire for power. We have the deconstruction of power by social media, and then we have the traditional media trying to stay relevant.

That's a toxic thing that's spinning around and spinning around and spinning around, trying to allocate this very a femoral thing called power and influence. And we don't know how that works anymore. And so we cannot get a shot together.

Half the people care about vegan fucking and milk. The other half the people care. I mean it's it's we are in an alternate .

universe as bad as we are. Europe and even japan have done even worse because I mean we our government was fair, efficient about the distribution of vaccines in europe that is completely watched IT. Um same thing in japan. So we are not the worst on vaccination rates. Yes.

IT should be Better. But well, we are the in the opportunity, David, we have the opportunity .

to have every america. AmErica is the most exceptional country. The world IT has been for hundreds of years. IT should be for several hundreds. There is no excuse for this country to a fuck this up this badly. I've spent enough time as as you guys have in europe and in japan, its understandable rivals countries are in the positions there in IT is not understandable .

because so dum, it's like it's like having a twenty point lead and you just with like eight minutes to go and you just screw up and you lose the game. So stupid, alright, do we want to move on to the billionaire ACE race?

Yeah, I think that saws .

this company go, uh, what's A A virgin galactic? There's a copy called virgin gache and they take able to space. It's two hundred thousand dollars.

Stocks seems to be doing pretty well. Anybody have thoughts on Richard brands and getting to space out? And let is around and we go to somebody to mote now congrats. All seriousness. congratulations.

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you cried and there was .

emotional uh, and it's emotional because, you know I mean, being a little bit more on the inside, how hard they worked. I mean, we've all been there where we're all toiling in obscurity where there moments where everybody thinks that what you're doing either is crazy or is not gonna work or is gonna fail. And there's a moment where you just have to push through IT, right, and find people that believe in you.

I think I came in very late to that, but I had the opportunity to find these incredible people, believe in them, help them, give them capital, which was essentially oxygen, right? That's oxygen for a company. And then to see them achieve IT IT felt so special to be a part of IT.

So yeah I mean I was really emotional and IT was IT was beautiful um so I I don't know I think this is the beginning of the beginning um I tweet itself but basically, if you think about and there's other stuff that we can talk about with some other companies that we are all involved in, David and I particularly. But here's the point, guys, between sending people and making us an interplanetary species by creating pervasive internet access and by enabling us to safely and reliably transport people, had going to point subbed or basically into space. We are completely reimagining how the human race can work.

And I think that's incredible. And to be a part of that is really special. There is a lot of people who got very negative on twitter. I noticed there is a lot of people that say, you know, no, like, you know, maybe now we can deal with, I don't know, child hunger or, you know, hey, why are all these billionaire doing this saturday?

The other end, I took a step back and I thought, my gosh, a people are there's a small violent cohort of people that are incredibly negative. And b doesn't even know what they're talking about because you're talking about issues of state responsibility and confusing IT for what private citizens are doing to advance a set of technologies that I think have brought the appeal. So those are my thoughts. I mean, I was, I, I, I watched every minute of IT.

My thought is credible to that. I want to take the part that all the nace air and the negativity, I mean, this is right. All the very online people immediate came out attacking this extraordinary accomplishment and active bravery by branson.

I think this is a billionaire doesn't need to be risking his life, launching himself into space. I mean, this is a courageous act. Know he's putting his, his, his life for his mouth is and you had all these very online people, but you had one seen and commentator basic said this was bad for the environment.

You had a another one saying that calling him a tax cheat. Then there was another winner who said, what about all the starving children in the world? I mean, I just went on and on like this and mix on a had a pretty funny tweet summing up the sort of the left's um argument.

Dusty said, number one, this is their argument according sona. One, money is evil. Two, therefore people with money or evil.

Three, therefore things people with money care about evil. I mean, that is basically the level of Sophia cation. Everybody stop the argument that we made. That's the argument that the left .

is everybody y's a bond villain, right?

But here, here's the problem is that first of all, we do get tremendous benefits out of these innovators who are pushing the boundaries of science and technology and engineering. Um you know branson actually went even cobain show and defend.

He said, he said, listen, I think they're fully this is brand and he said, I think they're not fully educated to what space does for earth is connecting the billions of people who are not connected uh, down here he said every single space eef that we sent putting satellites up there are mooring different things around the world, like the degradation of reinforce, monitoring food distribution, even monitor things like climate change. These things are essential for us back on earth. So we need more spaceships going up to space, not less.

So you know, there are really just kind of ignorant about the benefits of technology. And what do they want to do with the money anyway? You know, we got all, yes, we do, of all these palms on earth.

But so many of our problems are not a problem of underfunding. We have tons of money going to the problem of homeless. This in california IT just keep getting worse because we have the wrong approach we have on education.

We have very wrong ideas, the organization, we have the wrong execution. Fix the Operating details, it's not a money issue.

is exactly take education in california, we have very high levels of per pupil spending and our test scores keep going down. why? Because we have unions controlling the schools.

There's no competition. Getting rid of testing, limited a test. We solve that problem. We spent more as a percentage of GDP on health care than any other western country in the world. Yet the life expectancy of White men, which is basically the top of the pyramid of health care, is now over the years old. What is going on if all of these, if all of these negative naysayers could actually just get into the arena and try to do something right.

is of inning perfect class. They have no ideas.

They have no ideas, no other solutions. They just have grapes .

and no ability to execute, apparently.

Yeah, why do they come up with new programs, actually test new programs at a hyper local level to see what works? okay.

Can I tell you why? Can I can I tell you why these sort of, like leftist whiners are not motivated to actually do the hard work? Meaning even even if they have an idea for education, the precondition to working on an education program or health care programme, as they may need to spend four, five years in the bottles in obscurity, just learning, paying their dues, they don't want to do that either, because they grew up in a culture of kindergarten and soccer. Everybody gets the gold star.

Everybody gets to touch the ball, everybody get to be at the front of the line, and they're not willing to put in the work because the minute they realized how much actual work is demanded of progress, they run away because they're scared. And the reason they are scared is because something along the way, somebody trick them, that I was not actually about trying IT was actually about succeeding. And that is the biggest failure that we could do. The people is all of a sudden tricking them to believe you have to have IT work and just critic and I try, failure is just as good because you're one step closer to succeeding somewhere along the way. Unfortunately, they were not taught that incredible .

secret hiding in plain side freebody. What do you think of .

the space race and the or class, if you guys look, but if you look at the amount of venture capital money that's gone into um uh into uh private space companies, space technology companies, I think IT was a few hundred million dollars call IT three to four hundred million dollars pretty consistently from twenty eleven through twenty fourteen pretty fly.

And then in twenty fifteen, I think this is when SpaceX started to kind of create a lot of momentum and hype that private companies can actually build businesses um in kind of the space industry. The number jumped to three billion a year and then there was a little over three and a half billion and sixteen, and then I jumped to almost five billion, and seventeen was a little bit down. In twenty twenty is client to almost ten billion.

And in two, one of this year, I think two billion of venture capital money going into private space companies. So there's clearly um a great deal of momentum in this industry. The question is always what's the market at the end? And so if you break out, how do these companies make money?

One is to provide services to governments, you know launch services and and taking people to the space station. What have you in space? Sex is obviously built to tremendous business in that there has been obviously a lot of interest in tourism.

Um and I think it's uh you know we're seeing this first breakthrough with um with vergine gache, and we're going to find out over the next couple of years, is there a tourism market. Um historically, there's been interest in the market for a visual uh satellite. But you know if you look at some of the financials of companies like planet waves, they get a few acquisitions in space imaging and the revenue hasn't really taken off there.

And then mining was always the other question is， can we go out mine, you know rare minerals from space? And that one is just know if you do the math on IT, it's so far away it's impossible to kind of model. Um so I think over the next and then finally, communications and communications are cheaper to run on earth if you're in cities verses, you know the the space x model is to reach rural rural areas that it's going to be more affordable to do this through space.

Um and so you know there's um there's obviously a ton of momentum in a tone of interest in uh in private companies getting to space. Everyone right now, IT seems, is try to figure out what's the market, right? What's the how big is the market, how bigger the business? And and you know how quickly can you actually see that capital turn around into real revenue? Um so there's this kind of market question that I think is still outstanding in terms of you know the opportunity.

If you go back to fifty century, I think something like sixty to seventy percent of ships, maritime travel. Uh you know I got chirex know the uh you know that's a around when um you know we sailed across the atlantic or this final sale across atlantic funding, sometimes to the bottle of the ocean. If you were sitting in spain in fourteen fifty and someone said, hey, these ships, it's going to be a great business.

We're going to build lots of ships and were going to go out, maybe we'll get trade roughs going. Maybe we'll ll discover new land. Maybe we will make money.

Maybe we will take people on trips on these ships. You would be like, this is crazy. Half the people are dying.

There is no market on the other side. So now we are. And you would have been totally wrong. yeah. And you are in the fifteen century moment right now with the space industry. Now anyone in the space, anyone in the ship business in the fifteen century, have been able to predict the nerval cruise lines or been able to predict every Green shift taking stuff from china to amErica with these huge shipping creates.

Would anyone have been able to predict um you know uh uh going down to the bottom of the atlantic, I mean, like all of the technology and on the entire industry that kind of came out of that um you know that that set of pioneering activity in the fifteen century transform the planet, transform the economy, uh, transformed humanity and um you know it's it's very hard it's very hard to sit here today and say, hey, I know where space, the space and this is going. I know what's going to be possible but I can tell you that if history is any prediction of the future um you know this pioneering work that's going on which is burning tons of money and and everyone's kind of questioning whether there's business is here, IT could transform our species once again. So um well, David.

your fifteen century shipping uh example is so beautiful. Uh three things that came out of that which I think we all value a one and uh to tor law and Carry exactly um and three was basically how they .

did risk management .

so that you know each ship would take a little piece of everybody else is cargo so that some of the cargo would always get marketplace has emerged.

Loads of london came yeah lords of london emerged because of the the maritime insurance that was required and and almost all p nc insurance can trace its roots back to maritime insurance during that that era wo and so so these these and silly industries that emerge, we're like surprising, right?

It's almost business models emerge because you have to figure out how you do the Operator. And Carry is the private example. People don't understand the venture capital Carry, we get twenty percent of the profits was designed so that people with ships, the captain, we get to say we get twenty percent of whatever makes IT there.

Now you're a line. Whatever makes IT there, you get twenty percent of okay, i'm going to i'm going to go through that story and i'm going to try to get IT there. And we know there's so many unknowns, but just looking at the one thing you know, starlink, um I was doing a little research today about internet penetration.

We ve got you know close to five billion people on the internet now, but a very small number of them are on bribin. It's like twenty percent, thirty percent somewhere in that numbers. It's hard to get an exact number there.

But if you think about what's gonna happen to humanity, we're talking about billions of people who did not have access to broadband, and they are going to go from not having, you know, if you think about what we went through in the west, when the internet first came out and we got our first Brown bag connections, you know, to find, like D. S, L, we had libraries, we had books, we had colleges, we had stores everywhere borns in noble. So the internet was unbelievably transformative.

But we were in a modern society. Now you go to the developing world and they're going to go from, you know not even having running water in some cases in their homes or electricity or you know variable to having broadband. And they're going to have access to youtube circuit twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three.

They're to have access to you know mi t course where or brilliant dot organ all of this information and shopping. We're going to take a billion or two billion people and give them broaden instantly within a decade. This is gone to change the the face of the planet.

I think that that's the revolution and and it's not just startling doing. There's like three competitors to starling. Obviously .

arlington, the biggest lead space there was a company called o three b IT was a stood for other three billion and they had raised a tone of money to do this. I just by the way, I just want to speak to like a trend that we've seen and and also speak to the quality of elo's leadership. Um so many companies have tried this.

Google talked about IT for years, which is how to, well, project loon was a follow on to what we talked about early on, a google which was putting up satellites. And ultimately, google had a satellite program that was killed in favor of buying a company called skybox. And skybox was this costal ventures back start up that was trying to make a smaller scale start up.

And if you guys will remember around the early twenty tens um there were a bunch of startups that emerged that were all about building small scale uh satellite that could go up into lower the orbit and do things like imaging communications. And a bunch of these companies were banking on the fact that the cost per kilogram to get your payout into space with declining pretty precipitated so they were like, let's make super cheap commodity you know space imaging or space communication boxes, put them in space and after a couple of years, orbit burn up. But IT doesn't matter.

So little to put in the space, in the cost, so little to make, let's put hundreds of us as the company called planet labs um that that does this that great public fact. They been chAllenged with building in image. But there was a google bought a company for, I think, A F A billion dollars called skybox trying to do this, which I was like imaging slash h comes and they had a bigger for refrigerate size box.

So they were going to put ult, ultimately google google spend that out to planet labs. And the whole thing kind of you know, became imaging. But I I just want to highlight that this is a big trend for a while. And IT speaks to the quality of leadership because the fact that this guy did what twenty other, thirty other people have tried, companies have tried to do for the past decade or so, and he said, you what?

Instead of just providing the a the infrastructure to get all these devices in the space, we're just going to build the actual devices, get this thing up and just go crazy when they make and put our capital and do IT. Um and it's really impressive to see because it's such a no brain or people been talking about this this opportunity for over a decade. And these guys just have absolutely rushed the field um and they could build an incredible business uh, out of this.

The two most important companies in silek communications are a starlink and swarm uh and swarm was a company that I seated and sex to the series a and the if you talk to the founders of that company, they will give you this use case. And I think he was in two twenty fourteen. You guys remember there's like a malaysian airlines flight that just disappeared.

Yeah disappeared three seventy malayan airlines, five, three seventy and was like two hundred and thirty two hundred and forty people that passed away and the the the most you know indelicate question that I remember from this was um we we couldn't track IT and after myself, how is that even possible? How do you how do you lose? How do you lose a flight in the middle of the earth? That is not possible?

IT turns out, is because our internet cover is so sad that I only cover small areas. And IT IT made obvious that, like you know, we should live in a world where there is absolutely pervasive internet access everywhere. Every single little thread inch of the world should be covered and saturated.

That should never happen. You know that people should be able to have closure. They should be able to go and get that plan, recover the bodies, give them proper funeral. These are simple things, but they're human things that we should be doing as human beings.

right? And just think about the I O enables this.

and the idea that we can do that is shocking. And so I I agree with, if we were, we elon's incredible. And I think that um within the next five years will probably have pervasive internet access everywhere in the earth.

And that's that's translation you know the the second most valuable private company in space is um also completed you know uh I invested let the series I called relativity space and their idea， which I think will help everybody that wants to go to mars and other places, is why don't we just three d print the rockets? And why don't we three d print the engines? And why don't we make that functionally useful? Because IT IT basically takes the cost of a rocket and divided by ten.

And these printers are small enough where you know you can actually send them to and dismantle them and take them with you to mars and set them up there and all of us, you can print the parts that you need to get back to thousand example. Um so I think that additive manufacturing has enormous upside here in space. Um and I think that that's another area that's going to be really.

really anybody read andy wears hell, mary, yet the guy who did the martian, he's a science fiction. It's really great because you don't actually know what you're going to find out there. I think that's one of the things that you know to freeze ks point.

What what do we find out there? What if we find a compound out there that like plutonium, has some attributes that we could leverage in very small amounts to create unlimited energy or unlimited prosperity? In some ways there there are things that can exist that we have not been exposed to. And of course, the probability is there are many things that we have yet to be exposed to.

Hundred person, yeah, look, I don't subway to that um i'll tell you um i'll tell you why. And and this maybe also speak a little bit to some of the counter points against um the space industry getting the attention and resources IT has relative to call the other places delicate capital and human resource um and that is like the tools that we have in science and engineering today as a species. Uh continues uh to expand a kind of geometric pace.

Our ability to convert any molecule into any other molecule um is basically fulfilled. Now it's a function at this point of how much energy and time IT takes to do that work. So almost all industry, the function of industries to convert molecules from one form to another. And we have tools ranging from hardware engineering, uh, mechanical engineering and more recently in the early twenty century chemical engineering and first century biochemical engineering. Those tools are allowing us to invent, discover and convert molecules and and even in some cases, kind of um elemental forms, uh the uh internally anything else we want to produce.

And the technology is accelerating in such a way the set of technologies compound that if you think about a hundred years from now, two hundred years from now, five hundred years from now, the human species, theoretically, for very minimal time and very minimal energy, should be able to have something that looks a in today to the start, cc replicator. You basically type into a device what you'd like to make, and IT makes IT for you in a few minutes. And you could just like mr.

Fusion and back to the future too. You could put any input you want into the bank. You could throw in bananas and cans and whatever and outcomes the thing you want to make. So as the human species evolved towards that capability, we don't need to get into the details. That's just like the general trend line.

IT becomes less relevant that we need to go get other molecules or go get other things from extra planet ary sources the planet earth has you know the order attend to the twenty third atoms um you know two thirds of the the surfaces water um there is so much that is like unexplored and untag from a resource perspective within the the spaceship that we're already on that the argument would be made that our technology is allowing us to effectively recreate all of our fantastic dreams right here where we live today. And first thing we're going to to have to do to fix this planet and fixed the ecosystem that that that are kind of at risk. Uh, but as we progress and as these technologies progress, we can do these extraordinary things that we don't necessarily need to rely on extra planetary travellin colonization in order to achieve those objectives. So so the the optimistic counter argument .

yeah but we keep finding things like these molecules and tightens atmosphere aca that we can explain. And we're finding those are telescopes, let alone we get out there and we might be able to create them. sure. Yeah, but we're gona discover them in other places. We they may be beyond our human comprehension that these things could even there .

are interesting things were seeing there for sure and I think um you know there I think I mentioned this book before, uh, it's so ethical, difficult but uh it's called every life is on fire by this guy of germany, england.

And he highlights how all of evolution is effectively predicted by statistical physics and the energy bat and the molecules within a system um create a structure of molecules that you wouldn't see except for that condition, meaning that over time the complexity of that system evolves to uh create an equal library with the energy, uh, that is a that is covered in. So what we see on planet earth, y argues, is organic molecules in what we call life, which are these molecules are really good at copying themselves to absorb energy, anticipate energy. So the molecules and the energy state of, you know, tighten, it's different than what we see on earth.

So the way the molecules have evolved there are so different than what we see in on earth. And you can see these incredible concept of what we wouldn't call life today, but really could be defined as life there. And there are certainly a lot to learn, a lot to explore. Um IT doesn't mean that we're a limited in terms of our ability to kind of realize those things here on planet, but you you're absolutely exploration is. The core of being a human right?

And for people who don't know tightness, one of the it's the largest moon of saturn and it's got its own really weird, dense atmosphere that's ice and slushy and we don't even we can't even comprehend have the stuff going on there yet.

What and if you guys take the Richard branson um uh trip, would you do the um you know like next week or or I guess what point would you be comfortable take you hundred and six .

hundred and something. So how many flights .

more would you want to see? You would want to do ten more flights, twenty more flights.

Now I feel, I feel really confident that we know what we're doing. The this flight was so critical because he was about figuring out what I was like to have passengers in the back and how they're all behave when you had multiple folks, anything once that read out is done and Richard apparently took a bunch of notes um so you know will will be starting commercial ops I think uh you know the next two three records .

so wow yeah I mean, when you have x well.

I mean, if if I had a five hundred million dollars super yet, like jeff buz, that's where i'd be hanging out. I don't think i'd be blasting. I would be blessing my self into space. But I mean, look, more power to him. I mean, they got, you know, they certainly have.

yeah, he's doing both. Ah j, how would you do IT?

You know, my my theory is with kids I kind of think differently about IT. But if I was over seventy, like branson, certainly I would do IT. Yeah, I I would have to have that conversation with my spouse and my kids and say, you know, hey, this opportunity exists.

They've done. Let's call at one hundred flights, uh, somewhere in that neighbor. Od, I I think I would feel pretty comfortable doing IT, but I I would want to check in with my my family, kids and even all and think on taking that liver.

I stop riding motorcycles as an example. I think that flying in space tourism in the next year two will be a safer than riding a motorcycle, and then eventually IT will be safer than, you know, driving a car or something. It's it's quite possible.

I was I was watching a space show with my daughter, three years old on the counter today. And then SHE um SHE was like a space IT looks so fun. I said, do you want to go to space and he said, SHE, look back and and he said, I want to go to space with you and I made me cry. IT was the first time I ever thought, like.

man, first time you've ever cried first, I never cried.

just said that to former crying, what are these water .

particles on my chain? But what I SHE point, moment that like man is like moment of like inspiration of like going to space is something that like, I think it's gonna inspire um you know, a generation and and I told my daughter, I said, you know you are going to go to space uh I I hope I could be there with yeah yeah .

can I give you idea two different ideas but they're roughly related when each of your kids turn teen um buy them to take IT to space so that they become an astronaut um which I think is like a beautiful kind of an idea or like you know what an incredible present to give somebody as a mature to aged you if you read if if you basically have heard all these astronauts said, you know the the overview effect, like when you're above the earth looking down IT has this completely transformational effect on your outlook on life and the planet and so you know to the extent that that's a quantifiable thing to give that to your child seems like an enormous gift or or um when every boy's of age or whatever where all of you guys goes a family so that the whole cabin is your family, that would be really cool to either those ideas I will do. One of those two years.

there were four people correct in this fight.

if I remember in this one, there's four passenger 可以 wait。 Second.

there are four bees. How are you not setting up a flight for the hundred hundred episode of all in to be on virtual active? Can you imagine watching David cry and be so scared me?

I pretty much .

guaranteed you guys have .

to buy tickets, but I can pretty much guarantee you that if the three of you decided to buy tickets, I am pretty sure I can organize that. We all go on the same .

flux that would be reading all be tomb with.

You guys for.

you know, you want IT, you know, you want IT h out. Can you .

address leave on carbon line controversy around, you know, what's the right point to be in space? IT came up a lot this weekend news.

I came up by one .

person there people talk about on the news and stuff like .

maybe you can get blue orge and being lame. Honestly, that's so petty by business.

Maybe just share what happened and the point of the some basically .

the question is what defines space, right? So um if you if you just like start from the bottom from um uh ground level, right you have the trophies here, right? So you have like the first kind of like ten twenty kilometers or so, right then you have this state sphere, right?

That's really like a lot of like whether balloon activity happens that's at fifty thousand years, then you have the measure here, right? That's where you see things like media and stuff. Then you get to basically the carbon line, which is around, I don't know, one hundred kilometers or so.

There are a bunch of countries that either have no opinion or point to this kind of group to define what the beginning of space is and they define that at about a hundred clicks, which is I I want to say sixty two miles okay, then there is the united states um and the the D O D and NASA eta and we are defined IT at a different level fifty od miles. And so in the united states you need to pass the U S. Regulatory body's definition of what the threshold of space to be considered an astronaut.

Um there is other countries that would then point to a different line. The common line has the line. Um I think the point is is so much to do about nothing. I think in the end, I think virgin stated that they went to fifty two and a half or fifty three and a half. Um you know things are iterative ves, so over time your folks will get higher and higher. But the point is, O K and what you basically go into space, you get to see the planet, you get to feel microgravity, you know, you get the benefit of the overview effect, whether you are at fifty two and a half. I'm guessing you get the same effect at fifty eight or sixty or sixty one um and then you come back to earth so I thought I was kind of a little cheap and unnecessary because .

there's is nothing experience wise the changes, right? I mean.

like the thing, yes.

blue origin did a tweet from the beginning. New sharper was designed to fly above the common line. So none of our action ans would have an astonied next to their name.

For ninety six percent of the worlds population, space begins a hundred kilos of it's just like why would they do that the days before the Richard branca goes up, it's just totally classless. IT shows that bazas has a competitive streak, which is just not Graceful, I would say. Um and I think there's a little bit of bitterness there.

And then you look at anyone, what did you on do he went so class, he went and he took a picture with branca and he went to support him in what a congratulation twin you want does not feel he's in competition but for some reason basis, you know, basis us how to like draft and approve this specific tweet from blue origin. And I just thought I was class less and just stupid. Jeff, really major looks so .

bad and elan was so fabulous. I mean, I just shows you like what a class act is and what he cares about, which is like he cares about advancing um humans and our ability to do things that are incredible and inspiring and when other people do IT, he's not zero some about IT as you said yes and he was there. He was supportive um IT was just lovely to see. I think .

bees is stoll uh, stung for one? Elon said he couldn't get IT up, meaning couldn't get, couldn't get his rocket into space.

So so I don't know that was that was too classy of one.

wow.

IT was funny. IT was funning.

Yeah I don't know if you guys have seen jeff s kind of a small this rocket is, I mean.

you're doing IT got .

a tiny rocket so we put a pin in IT melvin capital, the people uh who uh went to war with the registrator or diversity, lost five billion dollars going .

to happen to a nice .

a group of people. I mean, they're down forty six percent, which is just shocking in enough itself and this kind of up market. But then to actually quantify, there was five billion dollars fighting a bunch of self proclaimed R I wouldn't say the work that I don't want to cancel, but they call themselves ours .

and five billion chasing.

you can say that you're not calling them, that they call themselves. They call .

themselves yes, are at listen, love you best these uh, sex were glad that you're safe and you're a healthy .

no thanks to you.

No, no, you, I have so many jokes.

are going to save them. I mean, honest, my thought on your recovery is no comment.

Just jealous if you are .

going to lose another .

five for .

confounds because yeah.

one eight, the way, come on, stop.

Are you .

read people like me playing sacks and chess?

Jason, what do you tip in? The skills are right?

One, one, one ninety.

And you're able to come to the and basically, you're going to get ounds.

Now i've doing one meal a day, one day a day that's IT. One meal a day that's IT. I'm eating one meal a day how i'm going to .

turn down the food. But what if you eat for three hours in that one meal?

I just, I try everything i'll just try. And then I have discipline. Now, just like I stop using .

twitter, twitter, talking about discipline. Okay, so we were there in italy. When was this shake out few years ago?

Whatever this a long time ago, this when we were in venice.

yeah you you're with jay and I was .

with jack and we went to .

some ice cream place, right? And so we all had we all had these like ice with ja, with like two scooped or whatever on there. So Jason finishes his, and like five seconds, it's like disappear.

And then he walks up to a jacket in and just like goes like, like that. And and in one fell swoop, he aid the office. IT was like, IT was like a bulldog. IT was, I was like a bulldog just eating your ice cream.

But how good was that fish that we got? Remember that .

restaurant?

I thought, I mean, we still .

talk about that .

you guys day every day.

but they're so small that love about the is a little and he doesn't feel like .

there's like a lot of preservative and .

stuff in there. It's butter and sugar, heavy cream, whatever IT is, is so good.

It's so good. It's so.

so good. How the tomatoes right now, I can wait some incredible.

incredible. I mean, I eat them, my bed and .

then my he came fifteen .

pounds.

Hundred percent, hundred percent .

we should do .

away at the end.

That would be the bed. I don't know how you're going to turn down this food. I don't know how you're going to say no of the post you have post lunch positive dinner. You're just.

you're going to go crazy. I'm gonna have two bites of everything, two bites of six different posters.

By the way, by the way, the, the, the biggest, the best cap secret is the italian. The quality of italian White wine is outrageous, really. It's outrageous.

We should buy some cards and drinks of .

one think we're going to play.

No, many orties are in White .

calories. I know. I mean, I have no idea, but you know, look, the thing in the summer time here is you end up walking. So I end up walking a lot or bicycling a little bit, but blood, at the end of the day, like you're burning through everything.

I gotta say this e bike, I got gotta red power bike.

No, no, that the whole point .

did not have a, because you have the motor in a ramoth. You ride your bike Normal, but then like to say you do have dinner or something that you want to go to dinner ten miles away or fifty miles away. You might not take your bike.

It's too long a ride with these electric bikes. Instead of going ten miles on the way there IT take your ten miles item to push up twenty five, but you're still burning the same number of calories. It's like augmenting.

I really think that electric bags gonna change. Cities are going to major way they're starting to in europe and in china, but aren't everybody will see you next time on the olympics. I love you sex back at you.

Sax, I hope, I hope you get Better.

So thank you. Thanks guys. Yeah, i'm Better. I am really Better today.

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