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Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

2025/5/25
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Ron Johnson: 我认为政府权力已经被腐蚀，没有人知道我们总共花费了多少钱，因为我们甚至从未讨论过它。共和党预算协调的首要目标应该是不增加赤字。我投票支持特朗普总统，因为我想让他击败深层政府。你不能通过继续以拜登的水平资助深层政府来击败它。我们的选民会问，我们为什么要选你们？你们实际上并不比民主党人好多少。我认为特朗普总统并没有专注于减少开支。这是我们唯一的机会，我会尽一切努力确保我们不会浪费这个机会。我不会受到特朗普总统的压力。如果他愿意和我坐下来，看看数字，承认它们，并制定一个合理的前进计划，我才会支持他。

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This chapter explains the budget reconciliation process, its limitations, and why it's not effective in controlling spending. It highlights the issues with mandatory vs. discretionary spending and the lack of a balanced budget requirement.
  • Budget reconciliation allows passing a budget with a simple majority, avoiding the Senate filibuster.
  • It primarily addresses mandatory spending, not discretionary spending.
  • The system is flawed and hasn't effectively controlled spending.

Shownotes Transcript

(0:00) Friedberg and Chamath welcome Senator Ron Johnson

(2:30) The Reconciliation Bill process, how much the Big, Beautiful Bill will add to the national debt

(14:33) Problems with growing our way out of debt, why elected officials are avoiding the fiscal reality

(24:53) Energy rescissions, future of DOGE

(32:09) How Senator Johnson will force a real review of the Big, Beautiful Bill; future of MAGA and the Conservative movement

(54:15) Next steps if the Big, Beautiful Bill passes

(58:35) Post-interview recap

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