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Amber Rose, I am so excited to have you here. Thanks for joining. Thank you. Thanks for having me. So many things that I want to say, I'm going to try to shut up. But the first thing that I want to say is I was so empathetic watching you at the RNC because first and foremost, your speech was amazing. And I think everybody agreed that your speech was amazing.
But I knew what was going to follow immediately after, which was sort of this purity test because I had lived it before. So I was in your shoes. I guess now it's been like eight, nine years ago. And I just realized that everything I was being told was a lie. And it specifically started on the BLM stuff, like on the Black America stuff. And that's all I said. And then my remarks went viral. I was being invited to all these places and I wasn't ready.
ready to then have my feet held to the fire about every single position. Well, what has she ever said about pro-life? What has she ever said about this? Is she actually a conservative? I'm like, guys, I'm just saying what I believe in my heart to be true. And now you're trying to
put me through a test and that's exactly what happened to you thereafter. Yeah. So I guess the first question I just want to ask you is how are you doing today? I'm wonderful. You're good. Yeah. This isn't the first time I've been canceled or viral or trending on Twitter. You know, I've been down this road several times throughout the years. So
It's kind of just like I mean, I slept like a baby this whole week. So I'm so glad to hear that. So how are you feeling? I guess leading up to the speech because that's the that's a huge honor to be speaking in front of the former president and likely future president of the United States. How are you feeling leading up to the speech and immediately following it? So I I wrote my speech with one of the writers that works for Trump. Right.
I told them everything that I wanted to talk about. I didn't want to talk about the border. I didn't want to talk about all that stuff. I wanted to just keep it like, you know, I'm a mom. I want to talk about the economy, inflation, things like that. My story, how I came over to this side. And they wrote something up and then I kind of put it into my own words. And that's what everyone saw at the RNC. But I will say, Candace, I did not think anyone would care.
I'll be honest with you. I just, you know, I was just like, there's so many speakers going up. No one knows me in the political world. You know, I'm going to go there. And honestly, the whole day before I spoke, maybe there was like some young girls that were like my fans and stuff that wanted pictures. But other than that, no one, you know, really knew who I was there.
And right after that speech, boy, I must have taken like 3,000 pictures in four days. Wow. I promise you, it was like from the morning into the night, downstairs in the hotel, outside at the RNC, walking to the RNC because, you know, they had everything blocked off and stuff. It definitely changed my life. But I don't know, for sometimes for me, I'm like, I'm just a girl from Philly. Why does anyone care?
You know? And then I go online and everyone's like, she's irrelevant. No one cares about what she has to say. No one gives a shit, you know? And then I'm like, okay, no one gives a shit. Let me just go on stage and just say how I feel. And then people give a shit. And I'm like, but I thought they weren't going to give a shit.
Yeah, so that's what I battle with every time I do something like that. Well, I knew it was gonna be huge for a couple of reasons. The first, and I saw this happening as soon as you put on the MAGA hat and there was a clip of you, TMZ,
was basically chasing you, trying to pigeonhole you of like, wait, you belong to us. You're on the left. You're the girl from the slut walk. And I know how proprietary Hollywood gets about if you're in Hollywood, if we've ever promoted you, if we've ever put you on a magazine cover, you...
get in line with these beliefs. Like, these are your political beliefs and you can't change. So I knew hitting the RNC stage, which is such a pendulum swing, they were not going to have that. And then I knew that conservatives
I just don't think that they have thought through the differences, not all conservatives, have thought through the differences between what it means to be a conservative, what it means to be a Republican, and what it means to be a Christian. And they were holding you to a test of, is she a Republican conservative Christian? And the reality is, tons of people can and do vote Republican who are not Christians, who are not even necessarily fully conservatives. They're like gay married men.
and they vote because they prioritize the economy over their gay identity. - I also don't think Donald Trump is very conservative. - Interesting. In what ways? - He's pro-choice. I don't think that's very conservative. - It's definitely not Christian.
So people can say you're fiscally conservative and this kind of gets into it like there needs to be a thorough conversation about what it means to be a Republican versus a conservative versus a Christian and we haven't had that and I knew that your feet were gonna be held to the fire. Was there any comments that before we get into like your background how you ended up there that impacted you or that you felt upset about that came at you or were you just like I'm good?
Well, I'll be honest with you, the Matt Walsh stuff, it didn't really bother me, but it did. It did. You know, people of religious people like that is why I went on my atheist journey. And so I was a I was a Christian my whole life. My mom still goes to church seven days a week. You know, I still go to church with my mom all the time. But I used I used to run into people like him often.
And so for me, it made me just get turned off by the church and then in turn kind of go on a spiritual journey. I was looking into Buddhism. I was looking into Islam, which was extremely far-fetched for me. And then I landed on atheism because I just never felt comfortable on that side. But I will say besides that, when I showed up at the RNC, there was a lot of white men in suits.
And so I can understand why maybe a person of color or somebody that comes from the left would be intimidated by that because that's maybe not necessarily the norm that we're used to being around. But after I did that speech, Candace, I spoke to so many people or they were coming up to me telling me their stories. Right. And these are these are guys that look like they come from generational wealth. And they're like, oh, no, I came from nothing.
you know, I just worked my way up and I figured it out. Or one of the other guys was like, my dad's in prison for murder. I mean, you would think this guy was like had a billionaire daddy. He was like, my dad's in prison for murder. My sister died of fentanyl poisoning. You know, my brother died in the opioid crisis. And so it just, you know, I still had that remnants left of the left in my head where I
I have to admit, when I walked in there, I'm like, oh, my God, they're going to hate me or they're just they're from a different world. And when I started talking to them, I'm like, we're actually all going through the same thing in America right now. And you can't just judge a book by its cover because I don't want people to judge me. I'm actually a sweetheart. I'm not a crazy person or anything like that. But, yeah, it was it was it was really sad. A lot of people are going through a lot. And and thank you.
you know, for telling your stories, everyone at the RNC, like, you know, and sorry for your loss because people lost a lot of people.
It's a fat and all mostly and it's interesting that you say that because one of the things I always say to my cousin She she does my hair and we talk about this a lot I'm like if only people in the hood knew that the rednecks them are the exact same people. Yeah, they're the exact same people Yeah, and yet the media will have you thinking like oh the rednecks hate black people It is actually as soon as you get around now like they're exactly the same people flipped and
And some of the best people I've ever met, actually I will say the best people I ever met are just from down here in the South because they have the right values, like you know, the family and faith. And faith is a big component of it. And I know what you mean when you say that you feel, and it makes me sad to hear that 'cause I've heard it many times that Christians can be really judgmental. Or if you felt that because the reality,
Is that there were so many other questions who were not saying that and I messaged Matt immediately cuz I actually know Matt Walsh very well I've worked them for years. He's actually an amazing person and I just felt you know I was actually following him on Instagram were you and I unfollowed him after I saw that see I didn't know much about I want to get other people following him so I was just trying to find a community of people and
and I just, I unfollowed him. I'm like, oh, I guess he doesn't like me. So that, and that is so, yeah, honestly, the tweet was ill representative of who Matt Walsh is and his wife is amazing. He, I think what he was trying to say didn't come across the right way because I immediately texted him and I was just like, wait, Matt, I think that like you have, you have this wrong. And I think what he was trying to say, and I hope I don't,
I don't sound like I'm like an apologist for Matt Walsh, but obviously like and I might be being a little Catholic gang gang here. But I think what he was trying to say was something about the RNC and like what they're prioritizing. But I actually even disagree with that point, too, because I think that, again, speaking to like what the RNC should be trying to do ahead of an election is basically saying, OK,
Are we these are the things that we are offering like a better economy this that and but these are the lies that are told about The RNC like the people believe that Donald Trump is this and I think a part of that is kind of trying to disillusion people and so I wish you you guys and I hope you will the opportunity to have a moment to speak because I Promise you like it's not who he is. He's like a really good dude, and I know I'm good. Yeah, I know I know I feel it I know I get it, but I'm glad that so many other people like responded. Yeah, I have
I've had a lot of DMs of people saying that they're going to pray for me. Nice Christians. I promise he's a nice Christian. I promise he is. I think it came out the wrong way. But yeah, Matt does so much charity for...
Christians and he's fought on a lot of causes and again, I don't want to like a map all just but I get it I totally get how you feel about this more so like when he's like, you know The slut walk fine the f***ing rappers part I you know, what's so funny here is I only been in relationships my whole career and I've been pigeon like do you know in Hollywood if you are at the same restaurant as someone they will put it on the news that you're together and
You're not at the same table. You don't know them. They're with their family. You're with your family. And they'll say we're at the hotel or the restaurant at the same exact time. This is what they have done to me throughout the years. OK, so I get it. I understand this is why I'm doing this interview. I understand why he's like she just rappers or she just does this. And even my slut walk.
I was really, really proud of it. I hate what it turned into. I hated the name slut walk. I hate it when girls, you know, which sounds very hypocritical, had to leave the slut walk dressed like that, which was the whole point. Like, don't touch me because I'm dressed like this, you know, still respect me because I'm dressed like a slut. But then when they would leave, I'd be like, this is my responsibility. I brought them here.
But now I don't want them to go get hurt. But that was the whole damn point of the slut walk, where I'm not making a change. There's nothing. I'm not making any change for any women right now because I really want them to go put on a blanket and walk home and go be safe and cover up.
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It's actually I actually want to talk about the slut walk. That's a great place because we can actually talk about your history and some of the judgment that was thrown at you. And I do want to say this because I have tried to communicate this to people who just cannot understand why I have any sort of a semblance of a relationship with Tristan Tate and Andrew Tate. And they're very big. And I just get it. I think.
One of the things that happens a lot, and I always talk about Allie Stuckey, who's a Christian podcaster. She's amazing. She's lovely. She's basically like what you want your daughter to be. Like everything turned out right. She came from a stable family, two Christian parents. She loves the Lord. And then you have someone like Andrew Tate and her and him maybe have said things about each other.
But I always say to people, with the way that my life was, how my life started, I would have never listened to Ali Suckey. Like, I would have never in a million years listened to an Ali Suckey podcast before I listened to an Andrew Tate podcast. Do you get what I mean? Because it wasn't, which I'm saying is quite ironically, it wasn't relatable. That's the name of her podcast. It wasn't relatable because I'm like, okay, you're a girl. I hope one day that I could raise kids like that. But I'm going to listen to someone who...
I just feel understands things like that I've lived through, you know what I mean? And it's not easy to be guided down the right path or to end up at faith immediately. And I think that's why an entire generation of kids who didn't grow up with two parents in the home would rather listen to an Andrew Tate
The conservative does not always understand that and I think that that's not a good thing and that's why I loved when I heard you just say what you believe because I'm like if that I because I believed that you believed it and I'm like great now we invite her in and talk to her about where she's been and what made her wake up so starting with a slut walk because I was Frantically against the slut walk talked about it many times in my old show. I'm gonna know I know I remember
Oh, I was like I was anti slut walk because I felt that women were being used to actually make things harder for women so I'm gonna show you just like a cut here for the audience for a clip of just some Slut walk footage. You're not in any of this footage, but I just some people know what it is. Okay
I'm a porn star. My name is Lily Cade. I'm here today because just because I am a slut doesn't mean you can rape me. I am who I am. If you don't like it, f--- you. The word slut should be reclaimed because sex is just something that's fun and something natural that we do. We're here to support women's rights and to choose what they want to do and they're not asking for it just because they're dressing like this or however they choose to dress. Every time someone tried to call me a slut when I was younger, I was like, no, no, no, no, I'm not a slut, I'm not a whore, I'm not all that.
So when you see that and I will granted look end of it's funny ish it is funny How does it make you feel? a part of it is
Am not proud of another part of it I I agree with and the part that I do agree with is that there are a lot of girls in high school Or college right young girls that are literally called derogatory names for no reason at all They're not even doing anything. I was one of those girls. I was a late bloomer Mike My kids are 11 and 4 I have friends that have like 25 year olds so
You know, I do think that sometimes that is an issue where you bully girls because you're insecure or maybe she might like another boy or something like that. So that was one piece in there, if I'm not mistaken, where the girl said that. But then she said dick or badge or whatever. Who cares or something like that? That's the only thing I still do agree with. But the other stuff I just.
And you know what, Candace, too? Listen, when it comes to sex workers, I'm still for sex workers. And when I say that, I mean that I understand it's not easy to just say, stop, don't do this anymore. You're better than this. Right. We can all say that all day, but there has to be a solution for why they should stop, you know, or maybe the money that they did make
through sex work or the umbrella of sex work, like stripping, instead of just not actually sex, and create businesses for themselves or something like that, you know? So I have empathy for women like that because I was that girl. I never, my dreams and aspirations in life were not to be a dancer. But I grew up poor and my mom had mental health issues and, you know, we were homeless when I was really young.
And my neighborhood was drug dealers and strippers, you know? So that was my lifelong dream. And then when I became famous, everyone just pointed the finger at me and was like, you used to be a stripper. We remember you, you know? And then that made like the whole internet and stuff. And then I had to just live with that. And over time, I embraced it with my slut walk because I
It was the only way to survive. I was like in survival mode because initially I'm like, hey, guys, I grew up poor. And they're like, shut up. You were a stripper. Shut up. You know, so I'm like, OK, well, no one cares why. So what else is there left for me to do? I have to just own it, which I think is what Cardi B does often. She she has to own it and act like she we all have to act like we love it.
See, this is very interesting. So for those who were not introduced to Amber Rose before the RNC, Amber Rose was introduced to the world because you were dating Kanye West. Yes, 15 years ago. 15 years ago. And it became this big thing. Kanye West is dating a stripper. And suddenly you became famous, like basically overnight. Yeah. Well, he didn't know that I was a stripper at all.
When he met me, I didn't know this so the misconception is that he met me at the strip club I thought that my whole life until right now. He never met me at the strip club. I was actually a model I was signed with Ford models. I got booked for a music video called Robocop on 808 and heartbreak Okay, although that album is not about me that the my beautiful darks was the fantasy is about me That's also another misconception. That's about his ex-fiancee so
I got booked for a job and then we fell in love and we were together for like two years. And it was a good time and it was a great time in pop culture and we really did have a lot of fun for a long time. But yes, he did not meet me in the strip club. So when me and him started to get to know each other, I was like, hey, I just want to be honest because I could tell that we had feelings for each other. I am actually a dancer back in the Bronx. I was in the Bronx at the time.
Funny, me and Cardi worked at the same spot, just different times, because I'm older than her. Oh. And he was like, I don't care. I just want to be with you. I don't even care that you were a dancer. That doesn't even bother me, you know? And he was really great about it. He just really didn't care because I felt like he just knew my heart. He knew who I was as a person.
So yeah, so go ahead. But that's how it all started. I'm so glad you clarified that. And so you, which is really funny because you got branded as a stripper. When he met you, you weren't even stripping. But they, I guess. I was stripping, but he didn't know that I was a stripper. He didn't know you were a stripper. So I was a model, but I wasn't.
Bella Hadid, I wasn't a famous model. I just happened to be signed to a big agency, but I wasn't getting a lot of work like that. So I still had to dance and money back to my mom in Philly, you know, my family. So that's why I was still dancing in the Bronx.
But he didn't meet me there. He met me because I booked his music video. Got it. Okay. So this is literally a case of just, I guess, misconceptions in the media. No, just people pulling stories out of their ass and throwing it on the internet and then everyone believes it. I think people can be really, I don't know, I guess, unforgiving of circumstances they can never imagine themselves to be in. So you kind of hear this when they find out like in someone's history, like this person sold drugs or, you know, this person was a stripper or did anything that was to them, you
Obviously, we look at these things and we're like, this is not a good career to go into, but they don't understand what it means when your back is against the wall and what you would do. And it's unfortunate that the sex industry is fast money for people that need it and don't come from these circumstances. It's very unfortunate. And I'm glad you actually brought up Cardi B because...
So much in the media has made it seem like I am an enemy of Cardi B and I feel like I'm actually the only person that ever believed in Cardi B and Who truly believed her meaning that she could break out of this stripper stereotype? So I was introduced to her because my cousin like made me watch love and hip-hop and she was a star There's no question about it. I had never watched all the hip-hop in my life her and Rage I just thought they were both like very entertaining in this way and what was so
Enjoyable about her where she was very self-deprecating. She was just like I want to work hard and I'm gonna make it and I believe in myself But she would kind of you know point to the things that weren't right about herself in the same way and that it was very endearing and then she kind of makes it when everyone's telling her she's not going to and she Makes some music and I can't remember what her fur was a bodak yellow that went viral. Yeah, yeah the first time and suddenly she's in Hollywood and she got tons of followers because people liked her personality and
But then I felt like okay now she's gonna move on from the stripper stereotype She doesn't have to be that anymore like her Her music is boppy that people love her not because she's a stripper and actually what I felt the industry did Was they tried to turn her into like the ultimate stripper? They were like no you're you're still you have to be the stripper. It's not her fault They don't let you they don't let you move forward. I think this is why like I'm 40 now and
And this is why I don't give a fuck anymore. Like, I don't care. I'm going to speak at the RNC. I'm going to speak at my on my Instagram. I'm going to say how I feel about things. And I'm not going to hold back anymore because the industry does do that to women, especially women that come from nothing like somebody like me and Cardi B. They intimidate you with the fact that you'll eventually be back there with nothing.
And that's how it's been for the 15 years that I've been famous. And so it's like, you have to do this. You have to twerk on Instagram. You have to go viral. You know, the more followers you get, the more endorsement deals you get, which in turn gives you more money to support your family. Who specifically is giving you that directive? It's everyone. It's everyone out there because it became a culture.
So now, and again, I don't know Cardi personally, but I'm just looking from the outside in because I lived it already. I think that her team is probably saying, look at this other female rapper. Look what she's doing. Oh, she just went viral doing that. So now you got to do something, you know, raise the bar and do something else. And so it becomes an intimidation tactic where you feel anxiety that like it may be over for you in a second. Right.
And so even when me and Kanye broke up, I'll never forget it. I mean, obviously so many years ago, but they were like, you're 15 minutes is up. It's over for you. It's done. You're never going to work in Hollywood again. This is like the internet and just people. I couldn't get it. I couldn't get a publicist. Nobody wanted to work with me. And I was like, maybe they're right. But I just.
And I managed myself for a few years and I just I did it by myself. And that first year, I made my first million dollars in 2011 by myself, you know. And so but even then, it's like you go this way a little bit and you're happy and just finally getting out of this bullshit.
And then it's like, "Hey, do you want, I don't know, a million dollars to sign up to OnlyFans? There's a pandemic. Everyone might die. You know, you can't really work and travel anywhere unless you want to get a vaccine. So is this what you want?" You're like,
And you're just thinking in your head like this money could be gone. Like what am I gonna do after this? This could be the last check that I get. Yeah, so it's everywhere. The degeneracy is everywhere. So you're surrounded by that and I was telling you on the phone how like I posted that bikini pic like three weeks ago. I since like archives it on my page, but I dropped the coin a crypto coin called Muvva, which is great. Everyone go get the Muvva coin. But
I still fell into it, Candace, because I was telling my team, like, guys, they're like, well, Iggy Azalea's coin was doing really good and she has her hands on her ass and she's like spreading her ass cheeks. And like, you got to at least do a bikini picture with maybe like the Make America Great hat. And you want to make money, you want your coin to go up, like, you know. And so I'm like, fine, let me go in the backyard by the pool and just...
do it. So I still battle with those things, Candace. And I don't want to get beat up by the Republicans. I'm already getting beat up enough
By the left. You're basically, you're in political purgatory. It's the worst because when you leave, you're like, I've escaped. Then when you arrive, you're like, whoa, whoa. I don't know. I know I'm not perfect. I'm getting everything wrong. And you're being screamed at by the right. And it's, it sucks. It is. It's, it really sucks because I can just sense I'm a person that goes on vibes. My team is laughing. Cause I literally like, I just get a vibe. And my, but my vibes have always been right. And when I spoke to you, I was like,
No, she means what she says and she's going through this metamorphosis and it's painful like it is really painful to come out of that cocoon Especially I would imagine it's ten times worse for you because your cocoon is Hollywood. Yeah, there's no room There's no I mean mine was hard enough just being black and being like hey, I am like a conservative Oh, I'm no longer black. No, they will take that away. I'm not I'm black
my whole life, but they were instantly like, she's not black. - Yeah, I'm not black anymore apparently. - So they take that away and they denigrate you, but it's gotta be even harder to come out of the Hollywood cocoon because the entire industry is built around really everyone has to have the same perspective, everyone has to be the same if you wanna sign the deals. I mean, I sat down with a TikToker, super young, Gen Z TikToker, and he spoke about how he was basically told, like he wanted to do more serious and talk about real issues,
Stay out of it. You know, keep doing fun, stupid TikToks, because if you start talking and you sound conservative, you're not going to get the sponsorships. You're not going to get the deals. It's intimidation. Right. 100 percent. Which is crazy. And what's crazy is that it wakes me up at night, Candace, because I have tortured myself for 15 years. I've tortured myself with this stuff.
you know, and I beg and I've cried and pleaded, please reach for the stars. Even if go talk to like maybe more conservative brands, see if they'll give me a chance. They wouldn't give me a chance, you know, cause they just didn't know me and I get it. I'm not upset, but, um, they're like, no, this is it. This is, this is, this is what you're, and you know, I have a family. And so,
When I went out on a ledge and I posted the picture with me, Trump and Melania, that was my moment where I was like, I'm done. Like, I'm done. How did it come about? Like, in your mind, how when did you decide? I'm just going to post this photo. MAGA goodbye. I'm with Donald Trump and Melania because that obviously became a moment on the Internet. Yeah. So my ex-husband actually told me to do it.
Wiz did he told me to do it? Yeah, although he's not political at all and he's not voting He's just not in doesn't want to be in that world whatsoever. I you know, he's really one of my best friends I love him so much still to this day. He's just such a great person But I went to him and I was just like I feel like I'm living a lie and I feel it and it's so much more than Trump but just me as a person I was just like I'm so unhappy
I'm starting to hate everyone and I was never like that. I was always full of love, you know? And I just want to be me and I don't know how to be me. I don't know, I don't give a , but I don't know how to just bungee jump. Once I bungee jump, I'm good. Once I do it or jump out the airplane, I'm done, you know? And I can forever do that. And I told him that I wanted to post a picture. He's like, Amber, post that .
He was like, post that right now. You know, I'm like, for real, I should, you know, and he's like, he's like, do it. He's like, who cares? He's like, you vote for Trump. Is that what you want to do? And I was like, yeah, I'm kind of really into it, you know. And he's like, man, do that. And he put a battery in my back and I was like, all right, I'm going to do it.
And out of 50,000 comments, I didn't leave one comment under my own page. I just let everybody just argue with each other, like just go crazy on each other because I said what I said. It is so freeing. I just remember when I had that moment. And it's funny because the world works in mysterious ways, but I was listening to Kanye West's song over and over again. The one when he came out with, gosh, I can't even think of the name of the song, but
He did it 300 style where he talks about it's gonna be a beautiful death. I'm jumping out the window I can't think of the name of the song. I want his newer song. No power. Yes Oh power Yeah I was listening to power on repeat because I knew because that was kind of when Kanye got cancelled and then he came back and yeah He talked about like really the power that has to come from within and that end like it's gonna be a beautiful death I'm jumping out the window that
idea came to him from the movie 300 one of the people that was involved and that told me that and it was all about I mean that whole song he's like FSNL and the whole cast like he's basically saying like goodbye to Hollywood I'm gonna be myself right and I listened to it over and over because I knew I was just gonna be
Bullied every day who were gonna call me an uncle Tom a coon But I had listened to so much of Kanye's power that I just did not care that I was like blacking out on Kanye's music and you do you have to it has to be that battery pack you have to have you the voice within yourself or behind you to make listen, you know, what's worse it is so much worse to Live a life and not be yourself. Like that is a kind of a death, you know it is I mean I was literally
like suicidal two years ago. And that, and I spoke about that on Jason Lee's podcast. Um, I just could not take it anymore. Just living in a lie. And I,
If you look at my my record, I don't really I don't argue with people online like that like two arguments online out of 15 years of people just going in on me, you know, and so It does take a toll after a while because you just want to scream from the rooftops like guys You don't know me at all. You don't know where I come from but a part of me and I don't know what that is inside of me that I
It's just like, well, f*** you. You don't like me. I don't even want to explain to you why. Like, I don't even want to tell you, like, no, like me because this is why this is like this. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather just be like, well, just unfollow me then. Or talk s***. I don't even care because...
People that actually know me love me and I'm okay with that. Right. And that's where it has to come from. And that's why I love that he says it's going to be a beautiful death because it's a death of sorts, but it's very beautiful. And then once you start building, it's a real foundation because if every day you have to be someone you're not, your spirit...
It's in conflict at all times. Like you have you're basically lying all the time You're someone that you're not and so when you're able to just be yourself and just face the consequences of whatever that means to just literally be Yourself you get to start rebuilding the blocks in your life and you get to decide like okay this is now a real friend because
because I'm being me and they want to be my friend. Like I'm not pretending to be something because I want magazine covers. I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not because I'm trying to make money. And I think that is, and I know that you're not on your journey. I think you will get there eventually. But what brought me back to faith is like all of that wisdom is in the Bible. Like when it says like, you know, you can't serve, you know, both money and God.
Right. And I think that what's happened a lot in L.A. is people are serving money because there's of course, there's an anxiety that comes from like, well, what am I going to do if I'm not doing this? And it makes it harder and harder as as those wheels keep spinning and you're just the whole industry is around you and everything that you're getting offered is in the industry. You're like, well, it's also a gamble because it's I really took a gamble by posting Trump on my page and endorsing him.
because everyone could have been like Matt Walsh. Every single person there or anybody online that was on that side could have been like Matt Walsh. And they weren't. They were actually very receptive and loving and made me feel really accepted at the RNC. Most people did. Most people were really, really great to me and they were really nice and I appreciate them very much. But
I really did, I took a gamble, you know, by doing that. But that was better than how I was living before. So that's just how I felt. I mean, I took the risk and I guess it worked, but even if it didn't, it still would have been better than before.
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So I'm a big believer that like what we're fighting today is like actual demons. I think there are tons of things that contribute to demons and it puts your soul at conflict. And so I did a show last week where I was talking about how many people in the industry, rappers, have spoken out and said that they feel like they sold their soul to the devil, like specifically that language or that they were wrestling with demons because of what they were putting out all the time. Yeah.
I wanted to because we talked about Cardi B and she sometimes has this break online and she's crying and I can't explain to you like my heart. I just want to hug her when I hear it, but there's this Tape that's out there of her having one of these moments again where she's talking about demons and I want you to hear it It's kind of why I didn't want to do this song shake it or like any Joe songs because it's like I
These songs are activating like these demons that I killed, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want to be that girl anymore. Like, I just want to be a mother, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want to be that old Cardi anymore. I'm not kidding when I say that, like it makes me want to cry hearing her say that. That's literally exactly how I feel.
And I didn't even hear that, Candace, when we first started this interview. And I can look at Cardi and she reminds me of myself. I know I can watch what she posts. I've seen other things that she said. And I'm like, that's me all day, every day. She's done Ellen. She's done all these like late night talk shows. And I've seen them. They're like, so you were a stripper. She's like.
I'm an international superstar, you know? And like, that's the first thing they go to. They do the same exact thing to me. And, and I can tell in her voice, I've been there, yo, I promise you I've, I've been there so many times. And once I set myself free and, um, and now I'm just able to just be who I want to be, whatever that is, even moving forward. Um,
She'll eventually get there, but she needs to clean house with her entire team, fire all those mother , get brand new people in, period. People that are not gonna intimidate her that it's gonna be over for her if she doesn't clap her ass on Instagram. I've been there, they've done that to me for years. Like Cardi, if you are listening, you are special and you don't have to do this. If you wanna be a mom, you can still be a mom and you can still be a rapper.
You don't have to be a porn rapper. You don't. And I hear the stuff that she says it and I had a slut walk. I get it. I lived it. We've done the same thing, you know? I think like, yeah, I want her to know that like she, and that's how I felt when I was so protective of you. Like when I saw TMZ harassing you, like to every person, you have a right to evolve.
Absolutely, and the second someone tries to pigeonhole you and say you're not allowed to evolve Yeah, that person is literally trying to corrupt your spirit You're not there They don't want your spirit to flourish and they want you to only see yourself one way and so when I saw that video for crying and there's other videos for crying and that is because she has children now and She's she's on a different stage in her life, right? I
She was talented not because she was a stripper. She was a star not because she was a stripper. When I was watching Crown Love and Hip Hop, I didn't care about the fact that she was a stripper. She was a star because she's a star. And I feel no one in her circle is telling her that. Like, you do not have to do this at all because you will still have fans because you're talented. Yeah, they're probably not, Candace. They've never told me. They never told me that there was another way out. You know what the other way out is? Just be yourself.
It's really, it's the easiest thing you can do is really just be yourself. Because right now in Hollywood, we're all being someone else. We are our personas. And it's crazy because when people actually get to know me as a person, they're like, wow, you are really nerdy. You're nothing. You're not hypersexual at all. And I'm very like traditional in a lot of ways, you know?
But life has dealt a sh** hand sometimes, you know? And that's just how it is. But yeah, if you're just going to be yourself, this is just the best way to go, whatever that is.
Want to talk to you about your OnlyFans account because there was so much misinformation on the web about this when everyone After you got kicked in the head by the left then the right came in and said no we're gonna kick you too Yeah, and look we found her and she's on OnlyFans and she's literally just doing this because she wants a bunch of people to sign up to her OnlyFans right I was like
I feel like there's more to the story because the girl I just spoke to on the phone was very genuine So can you explain to everybody why there was an onlyfans account because of course the people that were coming at you now Yeah, actually had not paid to see whether or not you were posting sex content or what was happening Yeah, so I'd never posted sex content. I've never done porn in my life at all I've never been a prostitute in my life. I just posted like really like sexy pictures and stuff. I
But funny enough, I get on Twitter. I'm not on Twitter as much as I am on Instagram, which is why I have more followers on Instagram. But I go on Twitter and I'm just like, you know, the RNC just happened. And I'm like, let me see if anyone's arguing on Twitter. And I saw that people were like, oh, she has the OnlyFans and she's available right now to talk. And I'm like, no, I don't. I haven't been on OnlyFans in two years.
And so I call my assistant, Joe, and I'm like, Joe, why does my OnlyFans say that it's available now? That was supposed to be deleted a long time ago. I haven't given any content or anything like that. And he's like, I don't know. Let's I call my business manager. And she's like, well, you know, we had this company that was doing all the DMs for you. And when you said you didn't want to do OnlyFans anymore, they were still doing the DMs. You were probably I don't want to say how much I was making a month, but yeah.
She was like, you were still kind of making good money every month and you weren't doing anything. And so I was like, you cannot do this to me. If I told you that I was done, it should have been deleted two years ago. I'm not an avid online OnlyFans person. I'm not going on OnlyFans to see if my account is up there. And what's crazy is actually in my bio and I have
several links in my bio, but you have to click a certain link to go to the OnlyFans link. And I'm my own person, so I don't click my own bio, you know?
And it made me very upset, but I also didn't fire her because I was like, I know she was just trying to, I have a lot of different streams of revenue that go into my accounts and stuff like that. And I know she was trying to look out, but I'm like, don't ever do that to me again. When I say it's over, it's over. So you hadn't posted any new content for over a year. Two years almost. I feel like, yeah, it's, it's.
It's definitely been over a year for sure. There were residuals coming in via the DM or whatever. And so they had the service and they were like, look, the money's coming in. Like, what's the point of deleting this bank account essentially? Exactly. Okay. That makes sense because I was realizing I was like, has anybody actually signed up to see if she's posting content or if she just has an old OnlyFans account? No, I have not did content for OnlyFans in such a long time. Right.
So I was just as shocked as everyone else on Twitter when it was like available now on OnlyFans. And I'm like, and they put a sale up. I mean, that's embarrassing. You do really hear a lot of this in the industry. The more that I speak to people and it's funny because I keep going back to Kanye. But, you know, he said so much to me that I couldn't even comprehend a couple of years ago about what's going on in Hollywood. And I think that he senses the demonism and I think he really wanted out. Like, I think he's
Everyone was like, "What's he doing? He's blowing up his life." I was like, "No, I think he literally wants to blow up his life. He doesn't want a pathway back to Hollywood because he
Has seen it up close and he thinks that a lot of elements of it are demonic and the more that you speak to people in the industry like hearing you say that there's this pressure like if you want a book you gotta This is what you have to do. Here's what you have to do. It does make you wonder Why gotta be like this? You know, I mean, I've been offered a tell-all book about Kanye and my relationships or my ex-husband and
I refuse to do it, Candice. I will never, ever, ever sell out like that. And I've been offered a lot, you know, and I've taken punches because I choose to do other things instead of doing something like that. Because I feel like if even if I didn't, we didn't work out in a relationship, it doesn't mean that I didn't love you while we were together. So, yeah.
I wouldn't do that, but that's how Hollywood is. It's like, oh, you're not with so-and-so anymore. You want to write a book? You know? And I was like, bro, I'll never go out like that. Hell no. No matter what, I won't do that s***.
But that's how it is. That's how it is in Hollywood, for sure. Yeah, they're constantly, especially amongst women, it's all about sex. And I'm a person that I think that the contributions that the Kardashian family has made for women have been, and I'm not placing it squarely on them, but I just vividly recall a shift in culture, you know, after the Kardashian show where I think women, I don't know, just kind of saw women
Sex on display all the time it was like the number one show for a very long time and and people began to aspire like to glorify it in a way and that might also just be the timing of the explosion also of social media and they kind of like I would say Kim kind of became like the queen of Instagram in many ways and People wanted to start embodying that and holding that up as like a form of idolatry Like this is what we should be like women should be sexy all the time and at the same time you had other
movements that were taking place in different ways, like this modern feminism that I hate so much because I think that it
It operates where it tries to sell itself as freedom, right? We're doing this because we're free but in reality women are enslaved by it because it then becomes the only Contribution that you have like if you want to be heard you need to take your clothes off like if you want people to listen to you need to take your clothes off and I'm like that is bondage that is not that's not actually freedom. Yeah No, I agree. Um
Which is crazy because I think that people just thought I was just dumb or just like a dumb stripper. And they didn't know that I was going to be as well-spoken as I was at the RNC. And, you know, you're right. It's just like that. And it's unfortunate. And it's something that a lot of women in the industry are still living with. So I hope that they, I don't know, maybe see our interview together.
And they just say, "You know what? Let me just be myself," whatever that is, instead of falling into Hollywood.
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If you could give advice to those young women, like these women who I say are like on the whatever podcast and I hear them and they're pretending they love what they do. And I'm like, you don't love what you do. You do not love, like I said, I crossed some women who said that she can sleep with, you know, 12 men in one night and how much money she makes, how much money she makes. And I looked at her and I just thought, I thought I was going to pray for her. Like literally I'm going to pray for you because I know that what you are saying is not true, but you need to say it so that you have, so you can keep doing it, you know? Yeah. It's, it's,
She's saying it because the men that pay her want to hear that she has to still stay within the fantasy You know what I mean? And so like let's say if you have an OnlyFans and stuff and you get on the whatever podcast you're like Actually, I'm a good girl. I've never done porn in my life I'm really smart and like I I just kind of just talk shit to these guys to make money But I'd never do anything the guys gonna be like I'm never paying this girl any money ever again. I
So you have to go on those podcasts essentially and say, yeah, you know, I had sex with 12 guys and like, you know, maybe the guys are like cucks that that give them money, you know, and they like to hear things like that. And they're like, oh, you said what I wanted you to say on the whatever podcast. Now I'm going to send you fifteen hundred dollars. That's how those things work. I will tell you, doing slut walk and talking to a lot of women and sex workers,
99% of sex workers do not want to be sex workers. And that's porn, prostitution, stripping, OnlyFans, all of the above. They don't want to do it. And I'll leave the 1% for girls that want to argue with me online about how much they love porn or whatever.
I've talked to thousands of girls throughout the years. Nobody wants to do that. But the problem is, is that, like we were saying upstairs, the feminism turned women masculine, men beta. And now what happened is, is that these girls have masculine energy and the guys are still beta. The guys also tell the girls, no one's ever going to marry you. You're damaged goods.
There's no redemption. You know, you're never going to figure this out. You might as well just give up on life. And so that doesn't actually help the girls either say they're just like, well, I might as well just stay in it. No one's ever going to love me anyway. And so it's a vicious cycle. And that's why, you know, people getting married, like marriage rates are down and divorce is up.
and we just can't get along with each other. - Right, I totally agree. You and I have tons of disagreements. Like I said, you're in your early phase, but I was there. I vividly recall standing across from Dave Rubin and I hadn't had it all figured out and I just knew I disagreed with that one thing.
Now I'm probably considered far right I guess I mean as I was right as I could possibly be on a lot of issues because it was like it was like peeling back an onion I was like this isn't true and then I was like oh wait This isn't true and this is how feminism plays into this and plays into this and this is how this plays into this and then finally I just was like I am a Christian that's like Bible based and because the Bible always had the answers I was looking for
But I want to talk about some things that we disagree with because I want people to know that this isn't an act. Like, this is not an act. You've said what you believe and you don't, like, it's not like you're checking boxes and just saying stuff that you would expect a Christian conservative Republican to say. We disagree on trans stuff, I think. Do we? I don't know. I think we do. Okay.
Yeah. Where are you at on like the trans, I call it the trans agenda, the explosion of transgenderism, I guess we could say. Yeah. So I grew up in the ballroom scene. I don't know if you know what that is in the gay trans world. I have no idea what that is. Okay. So it's like, it's mostly a lot of people at the time that
Their families didn't really necessarily accept them. And so they created families within that community And they named those families different things and they were called houses, right? And so I was in a house when I was younger My best friend was like a gay boy. He was like 13 or whatever and I was surrounded by actual trans people now back in that day, which is the 90s 2000s
Let's say a trans girl would get an attitude with me. The other trans girls that were my friends would be like, bitch, you're a man. Don't do that to Amber. Like, you're a man. I'm a man. Me, you can fight, but you're not going to touch her. So those are the trans women that I'm used to being around that I grew up with. Right. And it was kind of shady to call like a trans girl man, but they would do that. So here's the thing.
Am I for gender-affirming care for children? Absolutely not. I think we share that same sentiment. Am I for gender-affirming care for consenting adults? Absolutely. Now, do I think that a lot of people on TikTok and Instagram are actual trans people? A lot of them are not. They're cosplaying and they want to be a part of a community. They want attention.
Are trans people real? Yes, they're very much real. And I think that those other people give the trans community a bad name.
Because they really just and I'm sure Candace that you've been in the bathroom with trans people Probably plenty of times just didn't even know because they just went to use the bathroom and no one cared and they washed their hands and they left the problem is is that there's literally Grown biological men with mustaches and beards with you know shaving in the women's locker room not even remotely close to transitioning into a trans woman and
And they make women feel uncomfortable in women's spaces. I'm not for that at all, you know? But I think, like, someone like Danielle, for an example, that is very far in her transition. And she has a full sex change, by the way. I think she understands that she is a biological male.
But for me, I would call her she her. I would just do that because she looks like a girl and she's so far into her transition with the breasts and the softness in the face that I wouldn't be disrespectful. Although I think she does understand that she is a biological male. So that's where I'm at. And I'm also and I'm also for gay marriage. I think the more love that we have, especially in America, because it's really shit.
the happier we would all be. So I think that... And a lot of white gay male couples adopt a lot of young black children that grow up in foster care because they would say that the black boys are last to be picked. I'm a mother of two black boys. And my father was also in foster care for most of his life. And I think that...
I think that, you know, it gives these kids an opportunity to go to a good school and have a good life, even if it is two dads. Yeah, so I think...
I disagree with a lot of that. Almost all of it. I'm sure. Almost all of it, actually. And I think sometimes the mischaracterization is that conservatives don't view people who are trans as people. They're people. They're absolutely people. I just, in the same way that I would not, if someone who was schizophrenic told me they were Superman, I wouldn't play the role with them.
You know because I because they're not actually with you with that. Yeah, they're not a child or an adult So if I'm gonna play fantasy, I'm gonna play fantasy with my children who are toddlers but I'm not gonna do it with an adult because I think that's part of the issue is that it's now become so commonplace and You're they're basically saying I'm the same as you and you have to return the same as you and I'm like really I
You're not the same as me. No, they're not. And I don't want you to suffer because I think you're already suffering. I actually believe, especially for a lot of these people, and I've sat across from multiple people that are suffering with transgenderism, and one person, especially if they're very young and they go through these procedures too young, had their entire life ruined. And he looked across from me, Breonna Ivey, and said, I just wish somebody had said to me, like, you're not this, instead of having Hollywood glamorize this and put Caitlyn Jenner on the...
exact same thing you're talking about. They make it look, it's going to be so amazing. You're going to be so happy. And in reality, you can get on this path and there's, you can't go backwards once you get to a certain point. And he had the bottom surgery and he was like, I don't know. I found a doctor on TikTok. They fast track these young kids. They fast track them. They cut their breasts off.
They give them the gender assignment surgery. I actually agree with you, Candace, when it comes to that. Trans women are not women. They're not real women, but they are trans women. And I'm OK with that term, but they are not or ever going to be biological women. So I think when it comes to gay marriage and it's that again gets into my perception, which is so much more.
further, like eight years along of looking into everything. I just know that the nuclear family is what has always been under attack. And they just keep trying to stop a man and a woman coming together, getting married and having kids like that. If you look at every single one of these, what I would describe as leftist positions, it's always an attack on the family, even climate change. Like how did we get there? They're telling kids not to get married or have kids because if
planet's going to be over in 10 years. When you think about transgenderism, they're editing their parts in a way they will never be able to have productive families. Gay marriage is obviously not a nuclear family. You cannot have children the natural way. Feminism is poisoning women's perspectives on men. But there's a lot of children that need homes. For sure, but there are a lot of
nuclear family mother and fathers who would adopt them and so I believe kids need as we were talking about their best advantaged when they have a two-parent home a mom and a dad and I agree with you Being wardens of the state, you know, you don't you don't want kids in words to say I I grew up with a mother who spent time in a group home I get that too, but I just think that there's just like person this person
purposeful attack on just that normal family structure because when you have a normal family structure you have virtually every advantage in life. Yeah, I think that's an ideal situation, right? That would definitely be the ideal situation but
Gay people can definitely go and help out in the foster system and adopt children and give them a better life as well So I agree with you that that may be a more ideal situation But I still think that two gay men can give a kid a great home and a great education I remember listening to this podcast by the way with you and Emily Rodzkowski and she was saying It's just like why are we doing this? He was talking about her son daughter. I don't remember. I don't remember which one she has
I think a son maybe a son and I think she was saying that she intentionally buys him like girl toys because she wants him to not think of things in terms of gender and that is so Hollywood to me like I'm like, okay if a guy wants to go be a guy that's what I mean about intentionally perverting stuff because I'm just like what is the problem like my boy is so different from my girl and
Do you have both sexes, boy and a girl? I have two boys. Two boys. Okay, so you know how they are. They are like... Well, so I would never buy my boys girl toys, but if they were around a little girl and her toy happens to be there and my two, three-year-old or four-year-old would pick it up and play with it, I wouldn't say that's for girls. Yeah. I would just...
It's a toy and they're young but I was I was so disturbed by that I was just going why is she trying to force him to be Confused because she said something like oh he instantly gravitates towards the boy toys and I'm like no play with the doll I'm totally no she didn't she did say this to you. What did I say? You just said something like yeah, I get I don't remember what you said You just were kind of like nicely agreeing, but i'm going why why are we doing this? Why do we have to corrupt?
Everything's natural. Everything's normal and actually she's admitting that there's a difference here like the end because there is such difference The boys are wild. Yeah. No you didn't you weren't saying what you did it, too But she was just kind of remarking and how she's trying to tell him to play with pink stuff and I was going what is wrong with Hollywood like why can't they why is there almost like I feel like there's a hatred for normal like there's just a hatred for it and yeah, and I think it's part of the school and the education system
sort of teaching us that there is something wrong with normal and that's what I was saying to you about when you grow up, you have this perception of like the South as being backwards and racist and people that love the Bible and like go to church and like what we should all aspire to be is like New York and LA and they're sipping their lattes and they're progressive. But I've now gotten to a point where I've realized that it's actually the opposite and the people in the South that are being lied about and this is the people that you met and that you're talking about at the RNC where you're hearing their stories,
they're like the salt of the earth. Like they are great. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. They were really, really great people and super nice. And I didn't, growing up in Philly, I grew up in a predominantly black city, you know, in a black neighborhood. And so I've never really seen white people like that, that type of white people, you know, Amber Rose has never seen white people until the RMT. My,
My dad is white, but he's, you know, and that's the thing too. East Coast white people are very different than down South white people, you know, because they're more like darker white, like Italians, Greeks and stuff up on the East Coast and stuff like that. It's a different type of white, Candace. I know you know what I'm saying. I know exactly what you're saying. Okay, cool. So like these guys were like super white, like blonde hair, blue eyed, like white, white people. I'm totally cutting that part of the internet. Like white, white people. Yeah.
You know what I mean? I totally agree. I'm not saying it like that, but I will say that again, we all have the same problems. We all have family members on drugs. We all have problems within our families and turmoil and stories to tell, you know? And so we're all kind of in the same boat as far as that goes. Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly what you mean. And it is surprising and
I just want to say this because I know that so many Christians already reached out to you and have said this and that they're praying for you. Me and my husband are literally praying for you because I just have a feeling it's a vibe. My team, again, will make fun of me because I'm a vibe girl. Okay, vibe girl. But I just think that God, even though you're saying you're an atheist, there's no such thing as an atheist. There are different churches and at some point I think your faith was in Hollywood and it just converted away from God to something else and it becomes feminism, it becomes
Climatism, whatever it is. I think that this moment, because I've been feeling the Holy Spirit moving, Russell Brand being drawn, like this is a guy who was in Hollywood who is now praying the rosary every day. And I spoke to him and he just said he just felt something moving and he realized and
He's so well positioned to speak about it because he came from Hollywood and he was an addict and they loved him when he was an addict and then he cleaned up his life. Yeah. And then he cleaned up his life, got married, had kids and started speaking about Jesus Christ. And they're like, get the heck out of here. We will ruin you. And I just feel it for you. Like, I think that.
Everything you went through God wanted you to go through that he wanted you to to believe that he wasn't there like, you know, he wanted you to question whether or not any of its real and now it's because you're going to be such a voice and
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I also think you should have a podcast to talk to these people. And like I said, I feel like I'm going to see you in four years and you're going to be like, I'm a Christian, read my Bible. You're saying no, but I'm telling you when the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit's already within you, you just don't see it. And if somebody said to me when I had first, I was always, I was like, yeah, I'm a Christian, but it's different now. Like I'm on, I'm like on fire for the Lord. I really am. And I, you know what? I'll say this. I wish, I wish I was.
I'll say that. I wish that I was. I miss the feeling of the comfort I had from God. But I don't believe in God. I just don't. And I don't know if I can go back to that because on my journey to atheism,
A lot of time was mostly just my mom saying, just scaring the living out of me when it comes to God and demons. And being a kid and saying, we got generational demons on our back. This whole family, we got generational demons. And I'm like, dude, I don't want a demon on my back. I don't want a demon around me. Like, I don't have demons. You can have demons. My aunt can have demons. My uncle can have demons. I don't have demons. And that for me was far too much as a child to
which in turn made me an atheist. It's just too much for me, Candace. I'm telling you, these are going to be your famous last words because I'm telling you, when you go a different path, it all starts with realizing one lie and then you realize that there's only one author of lies and that's Satan and there's only one author of truth and that's God. See, I don't believe Satan is real. I don't believe Satan is a
You just you were up close and personal with him in Hollywood like that like what you're hearing when when you hear in Cardi talking about I said goodbye to these demons like she just is not realizing that's real demons I mean I resonate with that figuratively, but it's not figurative. I
She's wrestling with real demons. And they want you to think it's figurative. And I don't even have to argue this because I know, I just know how the Holy Spirit moves. Like, I'm just like, I prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and my prayers were not answered. You don't think when I was a Christian, you don't think your prayers were answered. Somebody said to me, God never doesn't answer your prayer. He either says, uh,
Not right now or I have something better in store for you. Maybe maybe God answered my prayers by all this That's what I'm saying. Sure. I'm telling you. Okay, he's like not right now and I'm sorry to have to turn into a pastor right now But I just ask you a question if I was Hindu or Muslim you would still say the same thing. I'm Christian I want everybody to believe in Christ. Yeah, Christ is the Lord Christ the Savior and
And you, like I said, I remember feeling like that. And when I was like, well, God was real. He wouldn't allow this to happen to me. He wouldn't allow this to happen to me. And then when I opened myself up and realized, I'm like, oh,
he put me in that scenario because he knew that I would be able to speak on this. He wanted me to go through this negative and this negative because he knew that this was the ultimate equation and he's the great mathematician and he was like, you need a plus here, a minus here, a minus here, a minus here. And so when you're hitting and you're seeing all these negatives in your life, you're just like, well, God can't be real because why would he do that? And then when you
let go and let God. I wish I had what you had. No, but I didn't have it. Like I'm saying now I wish I wish that I had that because I feel like for me it's too late. No. Oh gosh, I do. It is not too late. And that's why you are at the beginning of a new part of your life right now. And I am, it is required that five years from the day you come back on this podcast and
Okay, five years to the day. I'm going to bring you back and I'm going to be running the old Amber Rose clips and it's going to be like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I have a feeling, I just feel I'm working all over. Okay, if I were to ever believe in God, I don't think it would be the Christian God. Well, God believes in you. There's only one God. It would be maybe like an alien simulation God or something like that. Something like that.
Something like, you know aliens from another planet in Silicon Valley. You've been up in Silicon Valley Listen to Elon Musk and AI podcast I'm gonna get you out of Holly. I'm gonna get you out of California in the South get you out I'm gonna come and visit more often I'm gonna I'm gonna see what this place is about and you know, and everyone is watching this the Christians are gonna be praying for you So it's a wrap
Thank you, Christian. Like when I get you baptized and confirmed in the Catholic. Oh, my goodness, girl. I'm scared. Catholic gang gang. I'm scared. I'm scared of that.
I have to get unscared of religion. It scares the living crap out of me. That's just childhood, dealing with some trauma from your childhood, and religion is not supposed to be scary in that way. Well, I told you, praying used to give me a lot of comfort. That's why I let my children do it. But over time, I'm terrified. When I see the Bible, it scares me.
It really does. Yeah. Yeah. I, and maybe it is trauma that I have to work through, but I'm not ready yet. Well, you don't have to be ready yet. And that's what I want you to give the permission is like, take it one day at a time and don't let anybody make you feel pressured to know the right thing to say the right thing and know that you are going to say the wrong thing. And I think people are scared of that. Like if I'm not perfect immediately, like even me,
becoming Catholic, I had such, I still have anxiety because I'm so afraid. I understand like there are cameras everywhere. And now if I mess up, it's going to be a headline. And I had to deal with that and go, listen, I'm not going to get it perfect. And
I pray for grace. I ask people publicly for grace. And I'm asking people that are listening to this to just give her some grace, you know, give her some space. It took a lot for her to say even one true thing. And I hope you guys watching this that you've heard her heart in the way that I heard it on the phone and realize this is a real person. And she does not have it all figured out right now.
And she may never have it all figured out because I don't have it all figured out right now. But it's all about whether or not you are willing and brave enough to change your mind and evolve when you realize that you've gotten something wrong. For sure. So Amber, we are all praying for you. And I'll see you back here in exactly five years to the day. So I can say, ha ha, told you so. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. This was fun.