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德国总统Frank-Walter Steinmeier:警告外部势力,特别是社交媒体平台X,对德国民主的威胁。他特别提到了马斯克对德国另类选择党(AfD)的支持,认为这是对德国民主的威胁。 爱丽丝·魏德尔:对马斯克的支持表示感谢,并认为德国另类选择党(AfD)是德国唯一的希望。 弗雷德里克·默茨:批评马斯克对德国政治的干涉是冒失和自大的,认为马斯克对德国另类选择党(AfD)并不了解。 杰克逊·杰伊斯:指出马斯克的成功依赖于全球化,而德国另类选择党(AfD)反对全球化,这构成了根本的矛盾。 奥拉夫·舒尔茨:强调德国法律保护言论自由,包括所谓的“糟糕的政治建议”。 丽贝卡·科拉德:总结了德国政界对马斯克干预的普遍负面反应,指出尽管德国另类选择党(AfD)民调支持率较高,但由于其他政党拒绝与其结盟,且该党受到联邦警察的调查,其上台的可能性很小。她还提到了马斯克在柏林的复杂形象,以及他与柏林市民之间复杂的关系。她还报道了马斯克对英国政治的干预,包括攻击基尔·斯塔默和支持极右翼的改革英国党,以及呼吁释放汤米·罗宾逊。 罗伯特·哈贝克:指责马斯克为了自身利益而希望欧洲变得虚弱。 斯科特·德特劳:总结了马斯克在美国和欧洲政治中的影响力,以及他利用其影响力支持欧洲极右翼政党的企图。 丽贝卡·科拉德:详细分析了马斯克干预德国政治的背景、过程和影响,包括德国政界的反应、普通民众的看法以及德国法律对外国政治献金的限制。她还比较了马斯克在美国和德国政治活动中的差异,并指出了其社交媒体平台X对德国政治的影响。

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Why did Elon Musk's support for the Alternative for Germany (AFD) party spark controversy in Germany?

Elon Musk's public endorsement of the AFD, a far-right party monitored by Germany's domestic intelligence agency for potential right-wing extremism, was seen as intrusive and pretentious by many German politicians. The AFD is polling second at about 20% but has no chance of forming a government due to other parties refusing to form coalitions with it. Musk's involvement raised concerns about foreign influence on German democracy, especially given his ownership of the social media platform X, which has significant reach in Germany.

What role did Elon Musk play in the relationship between Ukraine and the U.S. under President-elect Donald Trump?

Elon Musk reportedly joined a phone call between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and President-elect Donald Trump shortly after Trump's election. During the call, Musk assured Zelensky that he could continue supporting Ukraine through his Starlink satellites, highlighting his influence in both geopolitical and technological spheres.

How did German politicians and citizens react to Elon Musk's involvement in their politics?

German politicians across the spectrum, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz and CDU leader Frederick Mertz, criticized Musk's interference. Many citizens also rejected his involvement, viewing it as unwelcome foreign influence. Musk's support for the AFD and his op-ed justifying his actions further fueled backlash, with Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck accusing Musk of wanting a weak Europe for his own interests.

What are the key differences between Elon Musk's political influence in the U.S. and Germany?

In the U.S., Musk spent an estimated $250 million to support Donald Trump's election, leveraging his wealth and social media platform X. In Germany, foreign contributions to political parties are capped at 500 euros, limiting direct financial influence. However, Musk's personal brand and the reach of X remain significant, raising concerns about his ability to sway public opinion and political outcomes in Germany.

What accusations did Elon Musk make against British Prime Minister Keir Starmer?

Elon Musk accused Keir Starmer, the British Labour Prime Minister, of failing to investigate sexual assault cases against minors during his tenure as Director of Public Prosecutions. These accusations mirrored claims made by Tommy Robinson, a right-wing activist and founder of the English Defense League, who is currently jailed for breaching a court order. Musk also called for Robinson's release and expressed support for the far-right Reform UK party.

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At the end of December, when German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier announced he was dissolving parliament and clearing the way for early elections, he warned of what he called external influences endangering Germany's democracy. He explicitly mentioned the social media platform X.

where owner Elon Musk had posted his support for the Alternative for Germany, or the AFD, a party being monitored by the country's domestic intelligence agency for potential right-wing extremism. Dear Elon, thank you so much for your note. Musk's public support prompted this video message from AFD leader Alice Weidel. The AFD is indeed the one and only alternative for our country. Our last option, if you ask me.

I wish you and President Donald Trump all the best for the upcoming tenure. But many were critical of the foreign billionaire's entrance into German politics.

Frederick Mertz, leader of the Christian Democratic Union, a conservative party currently pulling first ahead of February's elections, called Musk intrusive and pretentious. I don't think he knows much about the AFD. Jackson Jays is with the German Marshall Fund, a nonpartisan think tank. He's the guy that represents all of the globalistic thinking.

that has made his career and his life possible. But here is a party that is against that. Chancellor Olaf Scholz said German law protects freedom of speech, including what he called bad political advice. But Germany is not the only European country that has received Musk's political advice lately.

Musk joined a phone call between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and President-elect Donald Trump days after Trump was elected to a second term. Musk reportedly told Zelensky that he could continue to support Ukraine through his Starlink satellites. And last week, Musk attacked British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, the head of the Labour Party, and endorsed the far-right Reform UK party in a stream of dozens of ex-posts.

Consider this. Elon Musk has cemented his place in American politics right next to President-elect Donald Trump. Now he's looking to leverage his tremendous wealth and influence to secure power for some of Europe's most right-wing parties. Coming up, we'll talk to Rebecca Collard, who has been reporting from Germany on Musk's wading into European politics. From NPR, I'm Scott Detrow.

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It's Consider This from NPR. Billionaire Elon Musk begins 2025 as one of the most influential people in the United States. He's developed a close relationship with President-elect Donald Trump and has been advising the incoming administration on policy and staffing. And Musk is now increasingly weighing in on European politics as well, often over the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, which he now owns.

Musk began voicing support for the far-right Alternative for Germany Party, or AFD, in late December, and his input has generated a lot of response there. Reporter Rebecca Collar joins us now from Berlin. Hey there. Hello. So it seems like there has been a lot of political reaction to Musk's comments. Tell us about that.

Well, you can imagine, you know, Musk saying that the AFD is the only party that can save Germany was, of course, welcomed by the AFD. But it's really been rejected as interference from other politicians across Germany's political spectrum. You know, Germans will be voting February 23rd for a new federal government. At the moment, the far right AFD is polling second at about 20 percent behind the conservative CDU.

But the AFD really has no chance of actually taking power because the other political parties in this country have said that they will not form a coalition with the AFD. And the federal police here have the party under observation because it's a possible threat to democracy. But I will say that Musk's support has caused a lot of concern about a foreign billionaire's ability to sway their politics. Mm-hmm.

And, you know, after all this, Musk doubled down on that tweet with an op-ed in a German newspaper, justifying his interjection into German politics, mentioning his investments in this country. And that has really prompted a lot more response from Chancellor Olaf Scholz, from the head of the CDU, and most recently from Germany's vice chancellor from the Green Party, Robert Habeck. Stärkt die die Europaschwächen.

And here, Habeck is accusing Musk of wanting a weak Europe for his own interests. So that's leaders. What are other Germans saying about this?

So I was out today talking to people just to try to get this kind of anecdotal gauge on how Germans are feeling, because we've seen such a strong reaction from German politicians. And a lot of people I tried to speak to didn't want to or didn't care to talk about it, but a lot of others really rejected it. I think Musk does have this special place in the Berlin consciousness. He's this tech billionaire who built this Tesla plant.

just outside the capital, and it employs thousands of people. But he's also kind of the antithesis of what a lot of people like to think Berlin is. And there's this kind of famous techno club here called Berghain. It's notoriously hard to get into. And in 2022, Musk was rumored to have been rejected by the bouncer at the club, though Musk himself said he decided not to go in. But whatever really happened, a lot of people here really relished that story. There was tons of memes,

Yeah.

Yeah, so Musk has really attacked British Labour Prime Minister Keir Starmer. A lot of his accusations have been related to sexual assault cases against minors in the UK, which Musk has accused Starmer of failing to investigate when his job was Director of Public Prosecutions.

And that was really him copying the lines of Tommy Robinson, who is a right-wing activist and founder of the English Defense League. Now, he's jailed right now for 18 months for breaching a court order. Musk this week called for his release from jail on the platform X.

And Musk has also talked about making sizable donations to the Reform UK party, although UK election rules would make that a bit complicated. I will say British papers have been reporting that right-wing politicians in the UK have now been reaching out to President-elect Trump and his people, urging them to distance themselves from any support of Robinson. If Musk keeps this up, how different do you think his role in German politics could be compared to the U.S.?

So I think the really big difference here is probably how political parties and campaigns can be funded. Estimates say Musk spent something like $250 million to help get Trump elected. Germany is really different. German law forbids any foreign contribution to any political party that exceeds 500 euros. So at the moment, that's about the same amount in dollars.

But what I think is really similar is the possible impact of Musk's personal brand and, of course, also his social media platform X. It's big in the U.S. and it's big here in Germany. And I think for Germans, both politicians and regular voters who don't support the AFD or don't agree with Musk's ideas, it's worrying how much impact that could have.

You know, when the German president dissolved parliament last month, officially paving the way for these elections in February, he talked about the dangers to German democracy and he specifically mentioned the X platform. And it seems confirmed now that Musk is going to have a conversation with the leader of the AFD, Alice Weidel, on his platform. And the expectation is a lot of people will be tuning into that. That is reporter Rebecca Collard in Berlin. Thank you so much. You're welcome.

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