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'He saved our lives.' A former US hostage reflects on Carter's legacy

2025/1/9
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播音员:本集节目主要回顾了卡特总统任期内发生的伊朗人质危机。这场危机持续了444天,严重影响了卡特的总统生涯,最终导致他败选。尽管如此,卡特总统在任期最后时刻仍然致力于解决人质问题,并最终促成了人质获释。这次危机也成为评价卡特总统功过是非的重要事件。 从事件本身来看,人质危机的发生对美国造成了巨大的政治和外交压力。卡特的应对措施也受到了广泛的批评,有人认为他的软弱态度延长了危机持续时间。然而,也有观点认为,卡特总统避免了可能导致更大冲突的军事行动,并最终通过外交手段解决了问题。 从人质获释的结果来看,卡特总统的努力无疑是成功的。虽然他未能连任,但他坚持不懈地为解决人质问题而努力,最终使52名人质安全获释,避免了更大的悲剧发生。这体现了他对美国人民的责任感和担当。 Barry Rosen:作为一名被劫持的人质,我对卡特总统充满感激之情。我认为如果没有卡特总统的努力,我们可能无法活着回来。他为营救我们付出了巨大的努力,甚至牺牲了自己的总统生涯。虽然当时我对他的某些决定感到不满,但现在我理解了他面临的困境和压力。他所做的选择,在当时的环境下,或许是最好的选择。 卡特总统一直将人质的安全放在首位,他认真对待这场危机,并尽力将我们解救出来。我记得我的妻子向他展示了我们孩子的照片,他把照片放在西装口袋里,这让我相信他一直把我们放在心上。 在被囚禁的444天里,我们经历了难以想象的痛苦和折磨。只有短暂的户外时间,让我感受到一丝自由的希望。而卡特总统的努力,最终给了我们重获自由的机会,让我能够再次见到我的家人,拥有现在的生活。因此,我对卡特总统心怀感激,他是一位真正的英雄。

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What event defined Jimmy Carter's presidency and why?

The Iranian Hostage Crisis defined Jimmy Carter's presidency. On November 4, 1979, Iranian college students took over the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holding 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. Carter's efforts to secure their release, including a failed rescue mission, dominated his term and significantly impacted his re-election campaign.

How did the Iranian Hostage Crisis impact Jimmy Carter's re-election?

The Iranian Hostage Crisis played a key role in Jimmy Carter's defeat in the 1980 presidential election. A year to the day after the hostages were taken, Ronald Reagan won in a landslide. The prolonged crisis and the failed rescue mission damaged Carter's public image and contributed to his loss.

What was the outcome of the U.S. rescue mission during the Iranian Hostage Crisis?

The U.S. rescue mission, commissioned in April 1980, ended in failure. Two aircraft collided during the operation, resulting in the deaths of eight crewmen and injuries to several others. The mission was aborted without any combat occurring, marking a significant setback for the Carter administration.

Why did the hostages' release coincide with Ronald Reagan's inauguration?

Although Jimmy Carter negotiated the deal for the hostages' release, the plane carrying them remained on the runway in Iran until Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president. The timing was seen as a strategic move by the Iranians to avoid giving Carter a political victory.

How did former hostage Barry Rosen view Jimmy Carter's role in their release?

Barry Rosen, a former hostage, believes Jimmy Carter saved their lives by prioritizing their freedom above all else. Despite the personal toll and political cost, Carter worked tirelessly for 444 days to secure their release, even carrying a photo of Rosen's children as a reminder of the human stakes involved.

What were the conditions like for the hostages during their captivity?

The hostages endured severe isolation and harsh treatment. Barry Rosen was only allowed outside for 15 minutes once during the entire 444 days. He described the experience as psychologically devastating, with no information provided about the outside world or their eventual release.

How did Barry Rosen's perspective on Jimmy Carter evolve over time?

Initially, Barry Rosen felt anger toward Jimmy Carter for allowing the Shah into the U.S., which triggered the crisis. However, with over 40 years of hindsight, Rosen no longer harbors anger. He credits Carter for bringing the hostages home alive and acknowledges the immense challenges Carter faced during the crisis.

What was the significance of the hostages' release for Barry Rosen?

The release was a moment of profound relief and disbelief for Barry Rosen. After being blindfolded and spat at by militants, he boarded a plane to Algeria, marking the first step toward freedom. Rosen described the experience as surreal and emotionally overwhelming, particularly after enduring 444 days of captivity.

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This chapter sets the stage by outlining the Iran hostage crisis, its impact on Carter's presidency, and its role in his electoral defeat. It highlights the 444 days of captivity and the failed rescue mission.
  • Iranian students seized the US embassy in Tehran, holding 52 Americans hostage.
  • The crisis lasted 444 days and involved a failed rescue attempt.
  • The crisis significantly contributed to Carter's loss to Reagan in the 1980 election.

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Jimmy Carter's four years in the White House were largely defined by an event that took place halfway through his term. The U.S. Embassy in Tehran has been invaded and occupied by Iranian students. The Americans inside have been taken prisoner and, according to a student spokesman, will be held as hostages...

until the deposed Shah is returned from the United States, where he's receiving medical treatment for cancer. On November 4th, 1979, Iranian college students took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran. They took 52 Americans hostage.

For the next 444 days, the Carter administration tried to secure the hostages' release. In April of 1980, they even commissioned a rescue mission that ended in failure. There has been the startling new development in the Iran hostage crisis. That U.S. attempt to launch a military rescue of the American hostages in Tehran has been, as you have now heard several times, aborted. There was no fighting. There was no combat. But to my deep regret...

Eight of the crewmen of the two aircraft which collided were killed, and several other Americans were hurt in the accident. While Carter was trying to end the hostage crisis, he was also campaigning for a second term.

A year to the day after the Americans were taken hostage, Ronald Reagan beat Carter in a landslide. The time has come. You've seen the map. We've looked at the figures and NBC News now makes its projection for the presidency. Reagan is our projected winner. Ronald Wilson Reagan wins.

of California, a sports announcer, a film actor, a governor of California. The hostage crisis played a key role in Carter's defeat. But even after he lost re-election, with the clock ticking on his presidency, Carter kept working to bring the 52 Americans home, negotiating with the Iranians until there were just hours left in his presidency.

Those final moments narrated here by then White House Press Secretary Jody Powell in an ABC News special on the hostages' release. At this point, the president had last been asleep.

about midnight, not that night, but the night before, Sunday night. So he had been up virtually since Sunday morning with only about an hour's rest. Here was President Carter confirming the deal that he had struck. Right on, man. That's great. That's great. Okay, now, the next step in... Now, the bank...

Okay, so the Bank of England has certified their depository. But even though the deal was done before Reagan took the oath of office, the plane carrying the hostages sat on a runway in Iran until Reagan's inauguration. UPI has just gone with a flash, which is in effect the highest, the most important notification and news that they can give. The last time they did it was with the Kennedy assassination. It's two words. It says, hostages freed.

So Jimmy Carter was no longer president when the hostages were freed. Consider this. The Iranian hostage crisis helped doom Jimmy Carter's presidency, but for some of the people he helped free, he was a hero. From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro.

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It's Consider This from NPR. Former President Jimmy Carter left Washington for the final time Thursday afternoon. Washington was never a comfortable place for the man from Plains, Georgia, and it's generally believed that Carter was a better former president than president.

One reason for that perception is the Iranian hostage crisis. For the last 444 days of Carter's presidency, 52 Americans were held prisoner at the U.S. Embassy in Iran, including Barry Rosen, who was then the press attaché at the embassy. Welcome. Thank you. You have said that if it weren't for President Carter, you wouldn't be here today. What do you mean by that? Well, I sincerely believe that

he saved our lives. I mean, he sacrificed his presidency and worked assiduously for those 444 days to make our freedom the uppermost in his mind. Can you tell us more about that? What leads you to say that it was the most important thing to him? Well, I remember my wife Barbara meeting with President Carter during that time, and

She showed photos of my young son, Alexander, who was about three at that time, and Ariana, my daughter, was one. And you could see the toll it was taking on him and that he put that photograph in his suit pocket. And I knew for sure that he looked at that. He carried the photo of your children while you were in captivity being held hostage. Yes.

And do you give any credence to the criticism that if he had handled it differently, the crisis could have ended sooner, that you would not have had to have spent as many days being held hostage as you were? After all these years, I felt that there was no other alternative. I mean, yes, there could have been military action against Iran.

But I think that might have, would have been taken out on us. And I think it would have been, it would have been severe. We were treated terribly during the hostage crisis. I was only outside.

for 15 minutes only one time during the entire situation. You were only outdoors once in 444 days for 15 minutes. Yes. I picked up a piece of grass that was on the ground, put it in my pocket, and, you know, that was, it brought me back to...

my days as a young boy with my father and going to baseball games. Those moments of freedom, those minutes were amazingly important for my survival.

Everything about the story of your captivity is extraordinary, not least of which is the events leading up to your release. President Carter personally negotiated many of the details of the release, including the unfreezing of billions in Iranian assets. But you and the other hostages were not freed until after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president. Your plane sat on the runway. What were those final moments like? Well, those final moments were...

unbelievably nerve-wracking. We were put on a bus, blindfolded, taken, I suspect, to Meribot Airport at that time. It took over an hour. And as I stepped off the bus, I saw in a distance a light person pointing toward me. Your blindfolds were removed at this point? Yes, they were.

And then a phalanx of the student militants spat at me. And I then ran to the Air Algiers plane that was taking us to Algeria on our first leg to the trip to Wiesbaden. I couldn't believe it. I think that there's a photo of me getting on the plane. I think I was absolutely stunned.

Yeah.

whether you would be forced to sign some sort of statement of being a spy and a plotter. So you arrived in Wiesbaden in what was then West Germany, and Jimmy Carter, newly a former president, was there to meet you. What do you remember about that first meeting? It was tense. And he was with Vice President Mondale and Secretary of State Muskie. But he had the courage, I thought,

to come and see us knowing that many, many, many of us were very upset with him and couldn't understand the decisions that were made in terms of permitting the Shah into the United States. I know those were the Cold War years and all of that, but the anger was present. Were you personally angry?

I was. I have to admit that. I just couldn't understand why all that time was spent, and we never, never really had a notion of what was going on during that entire time. The hostage takers gave us no information at all about anything, and so the isolation was so severe.

And now with more than 40 years of hindsight, do you still feel that anger or what are your feelings? No, I don't have that anger. You know, I have a better understanding of the situation that he faced and that he...

He brought us back alive and anything could have happened during those 444 days. And I might not have seen my wife, Barbara, and my two children, Alexander and Ariana, and my grandchildren now. So I credit him for taking the real pains of that situation seriously.

and really trying to extricate us out of, I think, the first real big hostage situation, hostage crisis that America faced.

Barry Rosen was one of 52 Americans held hostage in Iran from November 1979 until January 1981. Thank you for sharing some of your story with us. Thank you. This episode was produced by Elena Burnett and edited by Courtney Dornan. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.

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