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The Insurrection Act is back on the table

2025/6/9
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Donald Trump: 我认为那些抗议者是暴力的，我们不能让他们逍遥法外。我们不会让我们的国家像在拜登领导下那样四分五裂。我部署军队的标准取决于我的想法。 Gavin Newsom: (观点未直接引用，但通过新闻报道得知) 我认为特朗普政府的行动是非法的，加州将起诉特朗普政府。 Juliette Kayyem: 我认为总统联邦化国民警卫队的权力应该受到限制，只有在州长不遵守法律或州长请求帮助时才能使用。现在特朗普总统仅仅因为在电视上看到几辆汽车着火就决定联邦化国民警卫队，这是不合适的。如果仅仅因为存在骚乱就部署军队，那将是对公民社会的威胁。我认为特朗普政府正在故意降低骚乱的标准，以便为未来的行动辩护。特朗普无法通过政治程序做到的事情，他试图通过武力来做到，这让我感到担忧。 JD Vance: 我认为拜登政府的边境危机构成了一种入侵，那些挥舞外国国旗并袭击执法部门的外国人就是入侵者。 Mark Esper: 我认为在执法中使用现役部队应仅作为最后手段。特朗普总统曾建议向抗议者开枪，这让我感到震惊。我担心总统会找一个完全忠于他的人来取代我。

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President Trump's deployment of the National Guard to Los Angeles sparks controversy. This chapter examines the context of the deployment, including past instances of similar actions and the political implications. It also looks at the reactions from California's governor and other figures.
  • Trump deployed 2,000 National Guard members to Los Angeles amid protests against federal immigration raids.
  • The deployment occurred against the objections of California Governor Gavin Newsom.
  • Trump's past attempts to use active duty troops in similar situations are discussed, highlighting past disagreements with his Secretary of Defense.
  • The chapter sets the stage for further discussion on the legality and appropriateness of Trump's actions.

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The last time a President deployed the National Guard over a governor's objections was more than 50 years ago.Over the weekend, President Trump did just that — in California. He ordered 2,000 National Guard members to Los Angeles, where people are protesting federal immigration raids. Today, governor Gavin Newsom said California is suing the Trump administration for what the governor called an unlawful action.Trump called the protesters "insurrectionists"; Vice President JD Vance suggested they constituted an "invasion." What does that signal about where the situation in California is headed? We ask Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary of Homeland Security in the Obama administration.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org). Email us at [email protected]).Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)