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Three years into his war on Ukraine, what does Putin really want?

2025/6/1
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Angela Stent: 作为一名研究俄罗斯和普京的专家，我认为普京在不同时期对乌克兰有不同的目标。2014年，他的目标是夺回克里米亚，并声称是为了应对北约在克里米亚的军事存在，尽管乌克兰当时并没有加入北约的实际进展。之后，他的目标是破坏乌克兰的稳定。而现在，我认为他仍然想要赢得战争，他希望乌克兰变得更小、更弱、解除军事化，并且永远不能加入北约。他还希望能够控制乌克兰的政权，扶持一个亲俄的政府。尽管特朗普政府表示不会同意乌克兰加入北约，但普京坚持乌克兰永远保持中立是不现实的。我认为，普京的目标更多的是控制乌克兰，而非仅仅针对北约。

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In 2014, Putin aimed to reclaim Crimea and destabilize Ukraine. His goals have since shifted, focusing on a smaller, weaker, demilitarized Ukraine, regime change, and preventing Ukraine from joining NATO. The expert notes that Putin's insistence on Ukraine's permanent neutrality is more about controlling Ukraine than about NATO itself.
  • Putin's initial goals in 2014 were to take back Crimea and destabilize Ukraine.
  • His current goals include a smaller, weaker, demilitarized Ukraine, regime change, and preventing Ukraine from joining NATO.
  • The expert believes Putin's focus on Ukraine's permanent neutrality is primarily about controlling Ukraine, not NATO.

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President Trump wants to make a deal with Vladimir Putin to end the war in Ukraine. Putin says Russia wants to engage in peace talks, but Putin has also been ordering the most widespread and violent aerial attacks on Ukraine in years. This has led Trump to criticize Putin more and more in public — a step that's been rare over the course of Trump's two terms in office.Three years into his war on Ukraine, what does Putin really want? It's a question leaders around the world are trying to figure out.To learn more, NPR's Scott Detrow speaks with Angela Stent, Professor Emeritus at Georgetown University, Senior Fellow at the Brookings institution — a nonpartisan policy organization in Washington DC — and author of the book "Putin's World: Russia Against the West and With the Rest. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org).Email us at [email protected]).Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)