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Trump uses government powers to target perceived enemies

2025/4/29
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特朗普:我将利用政府权力打击我的敌人,让他们为他们的行为付出代价。我不会放过他们。 我坚信自己拥有维护美国人民利益的权力,我的行动都是为了国家安全和正义。那些反对我的人,都是我的敌人,他们必须为他们的行为负责。我会利用一切手段,包括司法调查、行政命令和公开谴责,来打击他们,维护我的权威和美国的利益。 Mary Louise Kelly:特朗普上任100天以来,已经利用政府权力针对超过100个人和机构进行报复,他们都受到了严重后果。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。 Tom Dreisbach:特朗普政府利用政府权力对超过100个个人和机构进行报复,包括政治对手、前官员、学生抗议者、律师事务所、大学、新闻机构等等。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。 Amanda Carpenter:特朗普的行为是对美国基本权利的攻击,目的是为了巩固权力并惩罚任何阻碍他的人。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。 Sean Brennan:我因为参与1月6日事件的调查而遭到报复,被解雇并面临司法调查。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。 Mark Zaid:我的安全许可被撤销,没有经过任何正当程序。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。 Robert Garcia:特朗普政府试图利用司法系统恐吓和压制反对声音。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。 Pam Bondi:一些法官的行为是疯狂的,没有人凌驾于法律之上。 特朗普政府的行为已经对美国的民主制度和法治原则造成了严重的冲击。我们需要关注这些事件,并采取措施来保护我们的民主制度。

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President Trump campaigned for the White House, promising payback. I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution. I am your retribution. I'm not going to let you go.

That was Trump in 2023. Well, now 100 days into the second Trump administration, it has become clear that was not just talk. Consider this. Trump has used government power to target more than 100 people and institutions across American society, and they are all feeling the consequences. From NPR, I'm Mary Louise Kelly.

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It's Consider This from NPR. NPR's Tom Dreisbach has been following President Trump's efforts to retaliate against his perceived enemies since he returned to the Oval Office in January. Dreisbach found that Trump's targets are already facing the consequences, including criminal investigations, attempted deportations and firings. Tom picks up the story from here. To get a sense of President Trump's agenda, take the events of just one day.

April 9th. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Trump was in the Oval Office holding a black Sharpie. The White House staff secretary, Will Scharf, was handing Trump a set of orders targeting the president's enemies. Susman Godfrey to ensure that they can't access government resources, government buildings, given their previous activities.

Sussman Godfrey is a law firm whose previous activities include suing several Trump allies for defamation. There were some very bad things that happened with these law firms. The next target? The next presidential memorandum we have for you relates to Miles Taylor. Miles Taylor served in the first Trump administration. He crossed Trump when he anonymously wrote a scathing op-ed that called Trump an amoral agent of chaos.

I think he's guilty of treason, if you want to know the truth. But we'll find out. And I assume we're recommending this to the Department of Justice. Yes, sir. Trump kept going. Terrible guy.

Similarly, sir, Christopher Krebs, the former head of CISA. Christopher Krebs was the top cybersecurity official in the first Trump administration, and Trump fired him for saying the 2020 election was safe and secure. Now, Trump is ordering the government to investigate Krebs, too. He's the fraud. He's a disgrace. So we'll find out whether or not it was a safe election. And if it wasn't, he's got a big price to pay.

That was all in the span of just 10 minutes in the Oval Office on April 9th. But Trump's retribution agenda started on day one. NPR has found that Trump is using the government to investigate or otherwise punish more than 100 people or institutions, including political opponents, former officials, student protesters, law firms, universities, news organizations, and people who investigated him or his allies.

What you see here is just an assault on our most fundamental rights almost in every single sector. Amanda Carpenter is a conservative and a former aide to Senator Ted Cruz. She now works with the nonprofit Protect Democracy and says Trump's actions are about seizing power and punishing anyone who stands in his way. Whether that's the media, whether it's academia, whether it's immigration, Donald Trump is working at a very rapid pace

to exercise control and command over that area. Trump's orders have not all held up, like the order against Sussman Godfrey. A federal judge found that order unconstitutional, saying the country's founders would see it as a shocking abuse of power.

But the courts did not protect Sean Brennan. Brennan was a federal prosecutor. He worked on dozens of January 6th cases. On Inauguration Day, Trump issued mass pardons to the January 6th defendants, even the most violent. He said they were treated unfairly. Not long after, Brennan got an email from his new boss at the Justice Department. I was being terminated specifically for my work on January 6th cases, which it characterized as

perpetrating a grave national injustice against the American people. More than a dozen other January 6th prosecutors were fired. And they don't just face unemployment. The Justice Department is now investigating them, too, for possible unethical or even illegal conduct. Do you believe you were retaliated against? Yeah, I don't think there's anything that could be clearer.

It was retaliated against for taking actions that were well within the law, but that were politically unfavorable to the people in charge. Mark Zaid is a private attorney. He's also been on the wrong side of Trump. Back in 2019, Zaid represented an anonymous government whistleblower who filed a complaint that helped lead to Trump's first impeachment. At the time, Trump called Zaid a sleazeball attorney, said he should be investigated for fraud.

Now that he's back in office, Trump has issued a White House memo targeting Zaid and revoking his security clearance. Without any due process, without any notification of why my clearance was revoked. And without that clearance, Zaid can't work on the national security cases that are his bread and butter.

Lawyers and law firms have been some of Trump's top targets. The administration has taken action against more than a dozen firms. They cite the fact that the firms have taken cases on, for example, transgender rights or hired lawyers who previously investigated Trump.

And Zaid says there's another reason why Trump is going after lawyers. Because we are upholding the rule of law. And so long as the court system functions, we can damper, hinder, slow down, if not stop, what he's trying to do. Some firms have made deals with the administration and agreed to do tens of millions of dollars worth of pro bono work for causes Trump supports. The White House bragged that big law was bending the knee to Trump.

A federal judge said those deals amounted to unconstitutional government coercion. Congressman Robert Garcia is a Democrat from California. He says the Trump administration is trying to coerce political opponents, too. I'm a pretty outspoken member of Congress, and they wanted to silence me. Garcia's story starts in February, when he went on CNN and said Democrats needed to fight harder against Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency.

and what the American public want is for us to bring actual weapons to this bar fight. This is an actual fight for democracy. Garcia says he was speaking metaphorically, but Trump's top federal prosecutor in Washington, D.C., Ed Martin, sent Garcia a letter, asked him to clarify his comments within one week, adding, quote, we take threats against public officials very seriously.

Just what was your first reaction when you got that letter? I mean, my first reaction was, this is totally insane. And then immediately I got angry and I thought, you know, Trump's DOJ, the U.S. attorney, should not be using their office to intimidate people and certainly not trying to use the office to silence the opposition. The Trump Justice Department has gone even further with other Democrats and announced a criminal investigation into the governor and attorney general of New Jersey over immigration policy.

Along with political targets, pro-Palestinian students from abroad have been arrested and are fighting deportation. Media outlets the administration dislikes are facing FCC investigation, including NPR.

For weeks, we asked the White House for an interview for this story. They did not respond. Never again will the immense power of the state be weaponized to persecute political opponents. Publicly, the administration claims that Trump has kept this promise from his inaugural address.

And under my leadership, we will restore fair, equal, and impartial justice under the constitutional rule of law. And when Trump has targeted his political opponents these last hundred days, the administration says it's about accountability. Just last week, the FBI arrested a Wisconsin judge for allegedly obstructing ICE agents. The judge denies the charges. Democrats warn that Trump is trying to intimidate the judiciary.

Attorney General Pam Bondi told Fox News that some judges are, quote, deranged, adding, no one is above the law. Tom Dreisbach in PR News. This episode was produced by Monica Evstatieva and Erica Ryan with audio engineering by Damian Herring. It was edited by Barry Hardiman and Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. ♪

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