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Two Israeli embassy staffers killed amid a rise in antisemitism

2025/5/22
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Yehiel Leiter: 我对Yaron Lashinsky和Sarah Milgram这对情侣的遇害感到非常悲痛。他们原本是来华盛顿享受文化之夜的,却不幸成为了暴力的受害者。这起事件不仅是对他们的悲剧,也是对我们社会价值观的挑战。 Ayelet Razin-Beitor: 作为Sarah Milgram的朋友,我深知她加入以色列大使馆的决心源于对反犹太主义日益增长的担忧。在10月7日哈马斯袭击以色列后,她感受到前所未有的反犹太主义浪潮,这促使她采取行动,为以色列发声。她的遇害是对我们所有人的警醒。 Daniel Shapiro: 作为前美国驻以色列大使,我对Yaron Lashinsky和Sarah Milgram的遇害表示强烈谴责,并对他们的家人表示深切同情。更令人震惊的是,这起事件发生在全球反犹太主义情绪高涨的背景下。我们必须认识到,这不仅是一起仇恨犯罪,更是一种恐怖主义行为,旨在通过暴力手段达到政治目的。我们必须采取坚决措施,打击一切形式的反犹太主义,确保犹太社区的安全。

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Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Milgram, Israeli embassy staffers, were tragically killed outside the Capitol Jewish Museum. Their planned trip to Jerusalem, where Milgram would meet Lashinsky's family and he planned to propose, was tragically cut short. The incident occurred during an event focused on 'turning pain into purpose,' highlighting the irony of violence interrupting a peace-building initiative.
  • Murder of Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Milgram outside Capitol Jewish Museum
  • Planned trip to Jerusalem for Milgram to meet Lashinsky's family and his proposal
  • Event focused on bridge building in Middle East, North Africa

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They were a beautiful couple who came to enjoy an evening in Washington's cultural center. That's Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Yehiel Leiter, at a press conference Wednesday night. And the couple he is talking about is Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Milgram. The pair was gunned down and killed in front of the Capitol Jewish Museum on Wednesday night.

Lashinsky and Milgram were headed for Jerusalem on Sunday. Their trip to Israel would have been the first time Milgram met Lashinsky's family. And, according to the Israeli ambassador, Lashinsky had bought a ring and was planning to propose.

The event they were attending at the museum was for young professionals from different embassies focused on bridge building in the Middle East, North Africa region. Event organizer Jojo Drake-Kaelin told Sky News the theme was turning pain into purpose. So it's...

painfully, painfully ironic that at a time when we were speaking about bridge building, that someone came in with such hate and destruction. We were wanting to counter the us versus them narrative and come together in humanity and shared humanity. Ayelet Razin-Beitor, a friend of Milgram's, says she joined the embassy after Hamas's attack on Israel. Sarah told me that she joined the embassy shortly after October 7th.

after she felt a high rise of anti-Semitism around her, unlike anything she experienced before. But building bridges seems to be getting harder, not easier, a year and a half into Israel's war with Hamas, with tens of thousands of people dead and humanitarian relief efforts under stress. Consider this a horrific attack at an event aimed at overcoming differences has only ended up highlighting them.

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It's Consider This from NPR. The shooting of Sarah Milgram and Yaron Lashinsky comes amid a record number of anti-Semitic incidents in the United States. That's according to the Anti-Defamation League, and that is something I spoke about with Daniel Shapiro. He was U.S. ambassador to Israel during the Obama administration. He now serves as a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council. Where were you when you heard this news last night? And may I ask what your first thought was?

I was in a hotel room in Chicago and immediately started to hear from friends and family all over the United States, in Israel. Of course, I completely condemn the murders of these two innocent people and extend sympathy to their families. But what hit me, I think, was the tragedy and outrage that we are living in an era where

of an explosion of anti-Semitism, the statistics you just cited, and anti-Semitic violence. And the thing I never thought I would say was not my experience growing up in the United States. I associated that more with what Jewish communities in Europe lived with. But now Jews in the United States do have to fear for their physical safety. Certainly if they appear Jewish or they're taking part in Jewish communal activities,

We go through magnetometers in our synagogues. Our Jewish students are harassed on college campuses. And then yesterday, these two innocent young people were gunned down at a gathering at the Capitol Jewish Museum. Does it feel fundamentally different to you, the safety, the security of Jews here in the U.S. and worldwide? Does it feel fundamentally different since the start of the war? Certainly that has, that period of time, we've seen a more intensification of those kinds of events.

But, you know, let's call it what it is. It's hatred. It's anti-Semitism. This was an anti-Semitic hate crime for sure. But it was also an act of terrorism. Terrorism is the use of violence to advance a political agenda.

And we now see people expressing themselves not just with outrageous chants, chants that call for violence and terror against anyone who's Jewish or Israeli, things like globalize the intifada or blaming Jews generally or maybe they say Zionists but that's most Jews for policies related to Israel.

or calling for Israel's destruction, saying they're from the river to the sea. This has become much more common and unfortunately too often associated with violence as well. I will inject that the FBI says they are investigating this shooting as an act of targeted violence. There are still, of course, many questions about how this all came to be and what charges may be filed. I will also note that

This couple, they were leaving an event organized by the Young Professional Group of the American Jewish Committee, which is a pro-Israel advocacy group that confronts anti-Semitism. Dan Shapiro, how should we think about confronting anti-Semitism in a moment like this?

Right. The American Jewish Committee does a lot of advocacy on behalf of the Jewish community, but on behalf of interfaith cooperation, that was one of the themes of last night's event as well. Look, we...

We need, first of all, the community itself will need to harden security of our institutions and law enforcement will need to be more attentive and will need funding for those security requirements. But we really need moral clarity and strong political and communal leadership from within and without the Jewish community that completely rejects anti-Semitism and political violence of any kind.

We need education to our young people of the history and the insidiousness of this persistent hatred, which just has no place in our society. And then, of course, the Jewish community, we need to be strong and resilient and proud. And we need to double down on our commitments and our involvement in Jewish communal life and strengthen our ties to allies of all faiths.

I strongly believe that the vast majority of Americans reject, utterly reject this hateful violence. But we're now all called upon to express that and then, of course, to defeat it. And we are now seeing this uptick that I mentioned in anti-Semitic incidents here in the U.S. Last year, a majority of those incidents were related to Israel or Zionism. That's for the first time since the ADL has started tracking this kind of thing. I mean, I...

understanding, obviously, an event like last night is categorically horrific. How do you think about the act of protest against the state of Israel or its political leaders, the sort of protest that is part of a healthy democracy while rejecting anti-Semitism?

If someone wants to peacefully protest Israeli policy or U.S. policy toward the Middle East, obviously that's permissible and acceptable. I personally strongly disagree with many policies of the current Israeli government. So do many Israelis, by the way. And I, of course, support finding a path for Palestinians to achieve a state of their own. But far too often Jews are being harassed and intimidated, now even attacked,

in the name of some cause related to the Palestinians. And nothing does more to undermine and really delegitimize that cause than to tie it to anti-Semitism and violence. Nothing does more to delegitimize that cause than to express sympathy for the

terrorist organization, Hamas, that started this war or its goals of destroying Israel. So peaceful protest, expressing oneself about policy views, always allowed. Tying it to these ancient and persistent hatreds and obviously any expression of it through violence, completely unacceptable.

I do want to draw on your experience as a veteran of diplomacy in the Middle East. Speak to the impact, the potential impact of this on hearts and minds in Israel. I guess I'm thinking of efforts to try to get back to a ceasefire in Gaza and the extent to which this may harden positions.

Israelis have been dealing with this war since October 7th. That's when Hamas launched this brutal attack, killed 1,200 innocent people, kidnapped 250 hostages. And the war has been going on too long. Of course, we all want to see it end. I think most Israelis want to see it end. They obviously want their hostages released. We know Palestinians have suffered. Many civilians have suffered as well, and they need the war to end.

But you know when the ideology that spawned the war, the ideology that led Hamas to carry out the murderous attack in the first place is replicated around the world against Jewish targets, against Israeli targets, against Israeli diplomats, obviously it raises the concern that this is going to be a long-running theme of Israeli life and of Jewish life.

We certainly need our non-Jewish friends and allies in the Arab world, in Europe, in the United States to speak clearly that whatever your views about policy questions, this can't be the way. And if we have that, then we have a better path toward a way out of this. Ambassador, we'll leave it there. Daniel Shapiro, thank you. Thank you. He was U.S. ambassador to Israel under President Obama.

This episode was produced by Megan Lim and Kira Wakeem. It was edited by Patrick Jaron-Wadanan and Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Mary Louise Kelly.

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