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What happens when wildland fire reaches the city?

2025/1/13
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Beth LaBerge
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Herb Wilson
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Jamie Woolner
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Lori Moore-Merrell
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Mary Louise Kelley
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Michelle Steinberg
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Stephen Pine
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Herb Wilson: 我亲身经历了洛杉矶山火的破坏性后果,我的房子被烧毁殆尽。这场火灾不仅夺走了我的家园,也夺走了我社区许多居民的家园。我们目睹了大火吞噬房屋的可怕景象,以及大火过后社区的满目疮痍。这场灾难给我带来了巨大的精神打击和经济损失,也让我对未来充满了担忧。 面对如此巨大的灾难,我感到无助和愤怒。我理解消防员的工作非常艰巨,但我也希望他们能够尽最大努力保护我们的家园。政府也应该承担起责任,为灾后重建提供支持和帮助,并制定更有效的预防措施,以避免类似悲剧再次发生。 Beth LaBerge: 我报道了洛杉矶山火对社区造成的巨大破坏。大约12000座建筑物受损或被毁,许多居民流离失所。这场火灾的规模和破坏程度令人震惊,它凸显了加州野火日益严重的威胁。 在报道中,我采访了受灾居民,倾听了他们讲述失去家园的痛苦经历。我看到了社区的团结互助,也看到了政府和志愿者为灾后重建所做的努力。但这场灾难也暴露出我们应对野火的能力不足,以及在城市规划和防火措施方面存在的不足。 Michelle Steinberg: 加州的山火蔓延速度极快,即使是世界上最优秀的消防员也难以同时扑灭所有火灾。火灾的快速蔓延和巨大的破坏力,给消防工作带来了巨大的挑战。 我们需要加强对野火的预测和预警,提高消防员的技能和装备水平,并加强社区的防火意识和自救能力。同时,我们也需要从城市规划和建筑设计方面入手,采取更有效的防火措施,以减少野火造成的损失。 Jamie Woolner: 我从未想过火会蔓延到我住的地方。当我听到疏散警报时,我以为只是过度谨慎。但当我醒来时,我发现自己身处险境,险些丧命。 我亲眼目睹了火灾的凶猛和破坏力,以及人们在面对灾难时的无助和恐惧。这场经历让我深刻认识到,我们必须加强对野火的预防和应对,提高自身的防灾意识和自救能力。 Lori Moore-Merrell: 洛杉矶发生的不是普通的野火,而是城市火灾,火势从郊区蔓延到城市建筑物之间。这是一种结构性火灾蔓延,与传统的野火有很大不同。 我们需要改变对城市火灾的认知和应对策略,加强城市防火措施,提高居民的防火意识,并加强政府部门之间的协调合作,以有效应对城市火灾的威胁。 Stephen Pine: 城市火灾的蔓延并非由植被引起,而是由燃烧建筑物释放的能量引起。20世纪初,美国城市火灾得到了有效控制,但近年来又开始出现。 重建房屋时,应该考虑如何预防未来的火灾,而不是简单地重建原来的房屋。控制火灾的关键在于控制景观,而不是简单地清除植被。我们需要改变对火的认知,将其视为人类的伙伴,而不是敌人。 Mary Louise Kelley: 洛杉矶的山火规模空前,这可能会迫使城市改变其防灾准备和居民生活方式。我们需要从多个方面入手,加强对野火的预防和应对,以减少火灾造成的损失,并保护居民的生命财产安全。 这场灾难也提醒我们,气候变化对野火的影响越来越大,我们需要采取更积极的措施来应对气候变化,减少野火的发生频率和强度。

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What is the difference between a wildfire and a conflagration in the context of urban fires?

A wildfire typically involves burning vegetation like trees, while a conflagration refers to structure-to-structure fire spread, where buildings ignite and propagate the fire. Conflagrations often start at the suburban fringe but quickly move into urban areas, overwhelming firefighting resources due to high winds and ember storms.

How did the recent fires in Altadena, California, impact the community?

The fires in Altadena destroyed or damaged an estimated 12,000 structures, including Herb Wilson's home. The neighborhood, known for its quiet, family-oriented atmosphere, was devastated, with most houses on Wilson's block completely gone. Residents expressed disappointment and anger, feeling that firefighters couldn't save every neighborhood due to the overwhelming scale and speed of the fires.

Why are wildfires in California becoming more destructive and harder to control?

Wildfires in California have grown larger, more destructive, and now pose a year-round threat. Factors include high winds, rapid fire spread, and the simultaneous occurrence of multiple fires. Despite having some of the best-trained firefighters globally, resources are insufficient to combat all fires at once, especially when fires move quickly and far into urban areas.

What challenges do firefighters face when dealing with urban conflagrations?

Firefighters face challenges such as high winds, ember storms, and the rapid spread of fires from structure to structure. The sheer number of simultaneous fires overwhelms resources, making it impossible to save every neighborhood. Additionally, urban fires release significant energy, propagating the fire further and making containment difficult.

How can cities like Los Angeles better prepare for future wildfires?

Cities can prepare by hardening houses against ember storms, implementing stricter building and fire codes, and organizing landscapes to survive fires. However, retrofitting existing structures is challenging due to decades of construction without fire risks in mind. Rebuilding strategies must balance speed with long-term solutions to avoid recreating the same vulnerabilities.

What historical context explains the resurgence of urban conflagrations?

Urban conflagrations were common in the U.S. during the settlement period due to similar materials used in cities and countryside, along with frequent ignitions. The cycle was broken in the early 20th century with improved building codes and fire prevention measures. However, recent events, like the 1991 Oakland fire, mark a resurgence, driven by modern fire risks and urban sprawl.

What lessons can be drawn from the recent fires in Los Angeles for urban planning?

The fires highlight the need for urban planning that incorporates fire resilience, such as hardening structures, creating defensible spaces, and organizing landscapes to mitigate fire spread. Rebuilding efforts must avoid recreating vulnerabilities by balancing quick recovery with long-term solutions, such as stricter building codes and community-wide fire prevention measures.

How does fire historian Stephen Pine view the relationship between humans and fire?

Stephen Pine views fire as both a chemical process and a relationship that has been a constant companion to humanity. While historically beneficial, modern fire risks have turned this relationship adversarial. He emphasizes the need for a shift in thinking and understanding to address fire as a growing threat, especially for future generations.

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The wildfires in Los Angeles last week caused significant damage, destroying homes and forcing residents to evacuate. The scale of the disaster has left residents feeling disappointed and angry, highlighting the inadequacy of current resources to combat such large and fast-moving fires.
  • Wildfires in California have become bigger and more destructive, posing a year-round threat.
  • Firefighters faced challenges in saving every neighborhood due to the intensity and speed of the fires.
  • Many homes were completely destroyed, leaving residents with significant losses.

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"Wildfire" is the word we tend to use when we talk about what Los Angeles has been dealing with the past week. But Lori Moore-Merrell, the U.S. Fire Administrator for the Federal Emergency Management Agency used a different word, when she spoke to NPR this morning. She described a "conflagration." Saying they're not wildland fires with trees burning. They're structure to structure fire spread.They may have started at the suburban fringe, but they didn't stay there. Which prompts a question: what happens when fire meets city?For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org)Email us at [email protected])Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)