We're sunsetting PodQuest on 2025-07-28. Thank you for your support!
Export Podcast Subscriptions
cover of episode Wrongfully imprisoned for decades, Ben Spencer is exonerated

Wrongfully imprisoned for decades, Ben Spencer is exonerated

2024/8/29
logo of podcast Consider This from NPR

Consider This from NPR

AI Deep Dive AI Chapters Transcript
People
旁白
知名游戏《文明VII》的开场动画预告片旁白。
本杰明·斯宾塞
Topics
旁白:本杰明·斯宾塞在1988年被判犯有谋杀和抢劫罪,但他始终坚称自己无罪。尽管有律师和媒体的关注,他仍然被监禁了34年。最终,在达拉斯新任地区检察官下令重新调查后,他的定罪被推翻,并获得正式平反和经济赔偿。本案凸显了美国刑事司法系统中错误定罪的容易性和纠正错误的困难性,特别是对于黑人被告而言。斯宾塞在狱中几十年,始终拒绝承认自己犯下的罪行,因为他认为真相比自由更重要。他的故事也反映了美国司法系统中存在的种族偏见和系统性缺陷。 本杰明·斯宾塞:在狱中34年,我始终坚信真相终会大白。我从未承认自己犯下的罪行,因为真相比我的自由更重要。出狱后,我感到振奋,政府的道歉对我意义重大。重新适应狱外生活最困难的部分是使用手机和保护个人账户安全。与儿子重新建立联系,并享受父子时光,这对我来说是一种祝福。我和妻子几十年来一直互相扶持,坚信真相终会大白。 辛西娅·加尔萨(检察官):代表政府为错误定罪向斯宾塞道歉。 本杰明·斯宾塞:在狱中34年,我始终坚信真相终会大白。我从未承认自己犯下的罪行,因为真相比我的自由更重要。出狱后,我感到振奋,政府的道歉对我意义重大。重新适应狱外生活最困难的部分是使用手机和保护个人账户安全。与儿子重新建立联系,并享受父子时光,这对我来说是一种祝福。我和妻子几十年来一直互相扶持,坚信真相终会大白。

Deep Dive

Chapters
Ben Spencer was wrongfully imprisoned for 34 years for a crime he didn't commit. Despite numerous parole hearings, he refused to admit guilt, prioritizing truth over freedom. His unwavering belief in his innocence eventually led to his release and exoneration.
  • Ben Spencer maintained his innocence for 34 years despite being wrongfully imprisoned.
  • He refused to admit guilt at parole hearings, prioritizing truth over freedom.
  • His case highlights the difficulty of overturning wrongful convictions.

Shownotes Transcript

Translations:
中文

In 1988, Benjamin Spencer was sentenced to life in prison for a murder and robbery that he has always insisted he did not commit.

In 2021, he finally walked out of prison. Ben Spencer was lucky. He was the luckiest of the unlucky. Journalist Barbara Bradley Haggerty, our former colleague here at NPR, has followed and reinvestigated Spencer's case for years. She wrote about it in her new book, Bringing Ben Home. What drew me to Ben's story is that it showcased it's so easy to convict an innocent person, and it's nearly impossible to undo the mistake. It

It took 34 years for Ben Spencer to finally be released from prison despite having lawyers and media attention. An organization that helps those it believes to be innocent took up his case. A judge recommended a new trial in 2008. And alongside a private investigator, Barbara Bradley Haggerty published a report in The Atlantic in 2018 that cast doubt on witness testimony and police work used to convict Spencer.

But Spencer was only released after a reinvestigation was ordered by a new district attorney in Dallas, Texas. Earlier this year, his conviction was overturned. And this week, Ben Spencer was formally exonerated, cleared of charges and financially compensated.

Over and over, while in prison for decades, Ben Spencer showed up to parole hearings and refused to admit to a crime he did not commit because that would have meant lying. Here's what he wrote. I've never forgotten this line. Truth has always meant more to me than my freedom. So he never got parole because he never admitted that he did this thing.

Consider this. Benjamin Spencer was wrongfully convicted and punished for decades. But he always believed truth would prevail. And today, he is finally free. From NPR, I'm Elsa Chang. Support comes from our 2024 lead sponsor of Consider This, Anthropic.

Claude by Anthropic is AI for everyone. Claude offers groundbreaking intelligence at a price that works for heavy-duty tasks. Claude can generate code, help with writing, and reason through hard problems better than any model before. Claude pushes the creative and performance limits of what you can accomplish with AI. Join the groundswell of people that trust Anthropic with their AI tasks. Discover how Claude can help you at anthropic.com slash Claude.

This message comes from our sponsor, Grainger. This is the story of the one. As a maintenance engineer, he hears things differently. To the untrained ear, everything on his shop floor might sound fine, but he can hear gears grinding or a belt slipping. So he steps in to fix the problem at hand before it gets out of hand. And he knows Grainger's got the right product he needs to get the job done, which is music to his ears.

It's Consider This from NPR. Ben Spencer was 22 years old when he was arrested. He was newly married with a baby on the way. He had a job and no violence on his record. He was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was a young man who was

Spencer was Black and from a poor part of West Dallas. He ended up wrongfully convicted of the murder and armed robbery of a white business executive named Jeffrey Young.

Spencer will never get back the 34 years he spent in prison, but today he is free. We had a chance to speak with him just hours after he was exonerated. I mean, you have known the truth for decades, that you are innocent. You have always been innocent. And I heard that today the prosecutor who reinvestigated your case, Cynthia Garza,

officially apologized to you on behalf of the government for wrongfully convicting you. Mr. Spencer, on behalf of the state of Texas and Dallas County, I want to apologize to you for this grave injustice that was had upon you 37 years ago. What did it feel like to hear those words and to finally see the government officially recognize your innocence today? Invigorating, for one thing. I mean,

To have them acknowledge that in such a powerful and mighty way and to proclaim it before the world, you know, that meant a lot. I mean, yeah. Yeah. What has been the hardest part of readjusting to life outside of prison? Well, I would say a cell phone because I still haven't quite figured it out. And I'm afraid to do certain things because I don't want to.

open my accounts up to everybody, you know, so I have to be careful what buttons I push. But that's about it for me. I mean, to me, when I walked out of the county jail back in March of 2021, it was like I woke up out of coma and walked back into my existence. Well, I want to go back in time a little bit because you were convicted when you were so young. You were only 22 years old while your wife, Deborah, was still pregnant with your son, B.J.,

BJ, he's in his 30s now, right? And you're in your 50s. Yes, he's 37. And yes, well, I'm close to 60 now. I turned 60 in December. What has it been like to reconnect with BJ? I mean, do you feel like you're still...

Indeed. I mean, I guess the relationship, the dynamics of the relationship has changed when you haven't actually been there to be a part of the process of raising him. But, you know, we just kind of picked up the chapter where I was released and it's been a blessing to just get to know him as an

individual and as a man, you know, he got his head on straight and, you know, he's just doing things, being a responsible man, young man, I'm proud of him. So we just kind of do things we can together. Occasionally we might go catch a movie together. We've done a few car shows and I'm always trying to help him as much as I can around his house because he's not that inclined to know much about carpentry or anything like that. Yeah.

Well, your wife, Deborah, you entered prison, a married man. And then many years later, you two decided to divorce. Yes.

And then you married each other again after you got out of prison. Some of your letters to each other, they struck me so deeply because I was just in awe of the love between the two of you, the steadiness, the faith you both clung to that the truth would set you free. How did the two of you hang on to that during all of those years? Well, for one, I guess...

our relationship and then having a child together that kept us in contact with each other. I mean, even before TDC brought telephones into the system, you know, we always communicated through letters and, you know, we had some good times, bad times, ups and downs, just like everybody else, I guess. But through it all, you know, we was always working through our differences and

And, you know, just to raise our son in a way and a manner that we thought would be beneficial to him as he grew into adulthood.

Well, I want to go back to this idea of truth and how much truth has meant to you. In one of the letters that you wrote from prison, you said, quote, truth has always been more important to me than my freedom. And you really lived by those words because at parole hearings throughout the years in prison, you continually refused to admit to the crime, even in exchange for your possible release.

How hard was that for you day in and day out? It was easy for me. I mean, I had come to accept whether I ever got out of prison or not. I could not and would not show sympathy or accept responsibility for something I was not responsible for. Yeah.

The truth, like I said, the truth has always meant more to me than that. In fact, I had freedom even in being incarcerated. Tell me about that. What do you mean you had freedom even being incarcerated? Well, the truth. I mean, just knowing the truth about the situation that I wasn't responsible in any way with the

or robbery of Jeffrey Young. I mean, I just had freedom in that. And so that meant a lot to me. Well, Barb's book, it's called Bringing Ben Home. It reveals the American criminal justice system to be corrupt in so many ways, dysfunctional, racist. It shows how it is way easier to put people in prison than to set the innocent free, especially if you're a black man like yourself. Right.

How do you come to terms with that, Ben, with what the system did to you? Can you talk about how you've been processing that? That's kind of a hard question. But, you know, just really just hoping that in time that changes can be made that will improve the system. I mean, that's something I would like to work toward even now because the system is broken, you know.

people fail to realize how easy it is to get convicted of a crime. I mean, and oftentimes I think the fact that a person is sitting at the end of a table as a defendant, I think in the minds of juries, they feel that, you know, there's no possible way that a police made an arrest of a person that didn't commit the crime in which they're charged. So I think juries tend to convict solely on the fact that you're sitting there at the end of this table.

For other innocent people who are still in prison today, what would you like to tell them about how to keep going? I would say I always hold on to hope. You know, I believe in God. I believe that God causes the sun to shine on the good as well as the bad. So with that, you know, we just hold on to hope and pray that doors are open on our behalf. You know, there was times I didn't know whether I would ever get out.

Well, I am grateful that you held on to hope and that the doors opened for you. Benjamin Spencer, he was wrongfully convicted of a crime he did not commit. And today he has been officially exonerated. Thank you so much, Ben, for sharing this precious time with us. I so appreciated this. Okay. Thank you for having me.

This episode was produced by Janaki Mehta and Mark Rivers. It was edited by Justine Kennan and Patrick Jaron Watanonan. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan.

And one more thing before we go, you can now enjoy the Consider This newsletter. We still help you break down a major story of the day, but you'll also get to know our producers and hosts. And here's some moments of joy from the All Things Consider team. You can sign up at npr.org slash consider this newsletter. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Elsa Chang.

Support for NPR and the following message come from Washington Wise. Decisions made in Washington can affect your portfolio every day. But what policy changes should investors be watching? How might the 2024 election affect your trading and investments? Washington Wise is an original podcast from Charles Schwab that unpacks the stories making news in Washington and how they may affect your finances and portfolio. Listen at schwab.com slash Washington Wise.

This message comes from NPR sponsor, Viore, a new perspective on performance apparel. Check out the latest Dream Knit collection by visiting viore.com slash NPR for 20% off your first purchase. Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. This election season, you can expect to hear a lot of news, some of it meaningful, much of it not.

Give the Up First podcast 15 minutes, sometimes a little less, and we'll help you sort it out, what's going on around the world and at home. Three stories, 15 minutes, Up First every day. Listen every morning, wherever you get your podcasts.