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How Iran Is Dividing the MAGA Base

2025/6/18
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Greg Myre: 作为国家安全记者，我认为目前以伊冲突局势严峻，双方持续交火。以色列声称已控制伊朗首都德黑兰上空，并持续打击伊朗核设施和导弹发射器，虽然具体损失情况尚不明确，但伊朗导弹发射数量有所减少，整体局势似乎对以色列有利。美国对以色列的军事援助主要体现在防御层面，但如果特朗普总统决定向以色列提供重型掩体炸弹，帮助其摧毁伊朗的福尔多核设施，那么美国的介入程度将会显著升级。然而，即使动用这种炸弹，也未必能彻底摧毁该设施。 Mara Liasson: 作为资深国家政治记者，我认为特朗普总统在伊朗问题上的立场非常不稳定，他一方面反对外国战争，另一方面又表现出好战姿态。他似乎想站在以色列成功的一边，但美国情报部门对伊朗核武器计划的评估与以色列的解读存在差异。共和党内部以及MAGA支持者对美国是否应该介入这场冲突存在严重分歧。一些人认为特朗普应该坚持孤立主义，避免卷入海外战争，但如果美国仅限于空袭且行动成功，那么这些分歧可能会被掩盖。

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The episode begins by outlining the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran, detailing the ongoing bombing exchanges and Israel's claim of controlling the skies over Tehran. The discussion then shifts to President Trump's ambiguous stance on potential US involvement, highlighting his conflicting statements and the uncertainty surrounding his intentions. Finally, the discussion touches on the question of how close Iran is to developing a nuclear weapon, presenting differing views from US intelligence and Israeli leaders.
  • Ongoing bombing between Israel and Iran
  • Israel claims control of Tehran airspace
  • Trump's uncertain stance on US military intervention
  • Disagreement on Iran's proximity to nuclear weapon development

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As tensions continue to escalate between Israel and Iran, President Trump is now signaling an openness for more U.S. military involvement. We discuss what that might look like and how it is dividing the MAGA faithful. This episode: voting correspondent Miles Parks, national security correspondent Greg Myre, and senior national political correspondent Mara Liasson. This podcast was produced by Bria Suggs and edited by Lexie Schapitl. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.Listen to every episode of the NPR Politics Podcast sponsor-free, unlock access to bonus episodes with more from the NPR Politics team, and support public media when you sign up for The NPR Politics Podcast+ at plus.npr.org/politics.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)