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MAHA Cheers and Public Health Fears as RFK Ousts Vaccine Panel

2025/6/11
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Sarah McCammon: 我认为本期节目主要讨论了小罗伯特·肯尼迪（RFK Jr.）重塑公共卫生机构的最新举措，以及围绕这些举措所产生的政治影响。我个人认为，肯尼迪的行动引发了广泛的争议，尤其是在医学界和公共卫生领域。许多人担心，他对疫苗的立场以及他对公共卫生机构的改革可能会对公众健康造成负面影响。我希望通过这次讨论，能够更深入地了解肯尼迪的政策，并分析其可能带来的后果。 Will Stone: 作为NPR健康团队的记者，我认为肯尼迪解雇整个疫苗顾问委员会是一个非常不寻常的举动。我了解到，这个委员会，也就是免疫实践咨询委员会（ACIP），自20世纪60年代以来一直存在，由17位独立专家组成，负责审查数据并对疫苗接种计划提出建议。肯尼迪给出的解释是，该委员会存在利益冲突，为了恢复公众对疫苗的信心，他需要清除所有人。但我通过调查发现，ACIP实际上有非常严格的道德规范，成员在投票前必须说明是否存在利益冲突，如果存在则会回避。此外，肯尼迪引用的旧报告并不能真正支持他关于广泛利益冲突的说法。我认为肯尼迪的这一举动可能会对美国的疫苗政策产生深远的影响，值得我们密切关注。 Mara Liason: 作为资深政治记者，我认为肯尼迪的这一举动背后有深刻的政治考量。我注意到，参议员比尔·卡西迪（Bill Cassidy）对肯尼迪的行为表示担忧，并表示会继续与他沟通，以确保ACIP不会被对疫苗一无所知的人填满。然而，我认为卡西迪能做的并不多，因为他需要面对来自路易斯安那州的初选压力，而路易斯安那州是一个非常红的州。在美国参议院，许多参议员为了保住自己的职位，会不顾原则地支持特朗普或他的内阁成员。我认为肯尼迪的行动表明，特朗普政府非常了解其基本盘的需求，并且愿意采取行动来满足这些需求。特朗普与疫苗的关系非常复杂，他曾经为“曲速行动”感到自豪，但他的基本盘对疫苗持怀疑态度，这导致他减少了对疫苗的宣传。我认为肯尼迪的这一举动可能会进一步加剧美国社会在疫苗问题上的分歧。

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This chapter explores the recent removal of all 17 members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The discussion examines the ACIP's role in vaccine policy, Kennedy's justification for the dismissals, and the controversy surrounding claims of widespread conflicts of interest within the committee.
  • Removal of all 17 ACIP members by RFK Jr.
  • ACIP's role in vaccine recommendations and insurance coverage.
  • Controversy over Kennedy's claim of widespread conflicts of interest within ACIP.
  • Lack of evidence supporting Kennedy's conflict of interest claims.

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Health and Human Services Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ousted all 17 members of a vaccine advisory board this week. It's a move that's been roundly condemned by the public health community and cheered by Kennedy's "Make America Healthy Again" base. This episode: political correspondent Sarah McCammon, senior national political correspondent Mara Liasson, and NPR health correspondent Will Stone.This podcast was produced by Bria Suggs and edited by Lexie Schapitl. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.Listen to every episode of the NPR Politics Podcast sponsor-free, unlock access to bonus episodes with more from the NPR Politics team, and support public media when you sign up for The NPR Politics Podcast+ at plus.npr.org/politics.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)