E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. And boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you. Momentarily, the icon herself, Denise Richards, will be joining us to just, you know, gab a little bit, talk about her new Bravo show. What's it called? Denise and the Wild Things. Denise and Her Wild Things. Denise and the Wild...

In Her Wild Things? In Her Wild Things. Either way, it's a great title. We love it. We're excited to talk with Denise fresh off her appearance on Special Forces and just like, I honestly like Denise's Has Good Stakes on life. So we're excited to talk with her. Then we have Alex from Love is Blind, the guy who's in, or was,

in the relationship with Madison. What a couple. Anyways, we'll be talking with him and get into the rest of episode three through six of Love is Blind. I think that's what we were talking about. Four through six. Four through six. Then we have another icon herself, Grishel Staus is with us to talk about her time on Traders, catch up with her. Great conversation that we have with Grishel. Very exciting stuff for you ahead.

What's going on with this fish? All right. I came in here. You guys are obsessed with some fish. You asked me if I watched Finding Nemo. I was like, why do I care about this? She's a diva taking the world by storm, Leia. It's really the only thing I care about right now, if I'm being honest. No, please. Okay. This black sea devil angler fish was spotted swimming to the surface of the ocean. Oh, this ugly little thing. Oh.

They're not ugly. No. Not ugly. It's so cute. They live at the depths of the ocean floor, essentially. So it's a big deal. It literally lives in darkness where the sun doesn't hit the ocean. And it swam all the way up to the surface so that it could see the sun before it died. And I know that there's a scary environmental reason that this is happening, but I'm going to ignore it because it's so cute. They're not supposed to make it to the surface. So they provide light to catch prey, but also the organisms down at the bottom where there is no light. How big is this fish?

Pretty big. Okay. Well, no. How small, how big do you think that fish is? Just judging by your gut instinct, how big do you think that fish is? Three feet. It's in the palm of your hand. Okay. Really? Yes.

You know, is that small? It's so small. And how did we find or discover the fish? They made it look huge in Finding Nemo. Some of them are bigger. Well, she was really small. Well, Nemo's... Okay, but think of clown fish. I guess, yeah. Yeah. So what happened is basically she was dying and she wanted to see the sun. Yes, she. We know she. We know her. Apparently the males are small. No, this is not... This is science. This is science. Is it safe to say publicly? Yes. Okay. She...

was dying and she wanted to see the sun before she died. So she swam up to the surface. Oh my God. Who would discover this? How do we know this? And wait, is she dead now? She's dead. She's not supposed to make it to the surface. She did die. But she did. She did. But she saw the sun before she died. Nevertheless, she persisted. How do we know she, yeah. How do we know this? Scientists. Is this a story? Yeah.

Also, fish are not supposed to float to the surface. Like they regulate with like oxygen and whatnot so that they stay below. I mean, you know, I don't know. I feel like all my goldfish is when they died. They were they were like belly up and like the surface. That's what I'm saying. No, no. This fish swam to the surface. She made a long turn.

That is so beautiful. Yeah, she made a journey. You know what that reminds me of? There's like a veterinarian clinic somewhere. I don't know exactly where and what part of the country, but whenever they have to like euthanize dogs, they like if they're sick or like old age or whatever, they give them a Hershey's kiss because they say no dog should die without trying chocolate. Yeah.

There's like a trend where people are like doing like a last day for my dog. And I, oh my God, I can't. I can't even think about it. Guys, this is getting really sad. Yeah, it is. Well, I found the remote under Nick's pillow, everyone. So that's where it was the whole time. Under my pillow? Yep, under your pillow. That's where it was the whole time. So you put it there? I put it there? So I was sleeping. Guess I'm not a princess.

Pillow princess? You guys never heard of the princess and the pea? Oh. Princess and the pea. Yeah. I slept soundly, so I guess not a princess. That means that Nick's humble is what he's saying. Right.

Is that what that is? Yeah, because remember, she could fill the pee because she was so spoiled that even with like 20 different mattresses stacked on top, she felt the one pee. I live a hard life. I really do. Is that special forces training? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, of course. Blake Lively has amended her complaint that came out yesterday with updates alleging that there are additional women coming forward or that additional women came forward and

and complain about Justin's onset behavior. And those people are prepared to testify at whatever trial may or may not come forward. So there is that. So I don't know. I imagine the Justin Baldoni people will pick it apart and all the online trolls. I'm just really, really looking forward to the day this finally goes to court. I'm just looking forward to that day where I can tell all of you, I told you so. There's going to be a lot of people who

who really embarrass themselves. Whitney Cumming comes to mind most importantly, but you know. I don't think that's the biggest thing. Well, there's a lot of people, but I'm just like, most of the people who are like coming forward are just like people you've never heard of. They're like online. Oh, I meant Whitney Cumming says other stuff she can be embarrassed for. Yeah.

But she was one of the more mainstream public figures to seem to start writing for Justin, which I found a bit shocking. But whatever I do, I feel very confident that people are going to find out. It does say the 137 page filing included new assertions of alleged misconduct, saying, in quotes, Miss Lively was not alone in raising allegations of onset misconduct more than a year before the film was edited in evidence of alleged threats, harassment and intimidation of Lively and others in defendants retaliatory campaign.

So I just think people really are missing the whole point. I think people should be really kind of scared about how effective this online smear campaign of Justin Bononi's has been. As soon as like the witnesses start testifying, like the, you know, the accusation about like Justin, like claiming he didn't stop when he didn't consent. And then her driver kicked him out. Like if he testifies, it's over. It's pretty, it's pretty easy to prove like the kind of online activity of Justin's smear campaign. Yeah.

you know they're only just debating about who threw what punch first anyways

More to come. We'll see what happens, but we'll see what happens when they go to a trial. Leave it to the courts, like A$AP Rocky did, and he is now innocent. Yeah, A$AP Rocky is proven to be found not guilty. A little different than innocent, but not guilty. Did you see his reaction where he jumped through the pews into Rihanna's arms? Yes, I read an article about that first, and I was like, they made it sound so like he dove into the crowd and flew across people. It really was kind of crazy. Yeah? Yeah, it really was. Do we have it?

I love a good bet on yourself story, and this is one of the more ultimate bet on yourself stories. A man who was offered six months in prison, turned that down, was facing up to 25 years in prison, and won. That's a big bet. That's a big bet. Let me see this video.

Yeah, no, he dove. He absolutely dove. That's sexy. He actually pushed someone out of the way to get to her. I think his lawyer was there and he was like, okay, get the fuck off me. My wife. If I was married to Rihanna, I would do the exact same thing. She would be my number one priority. I don't even have to be married to her to want to do that. That's so true. Is Denise here? Yes. Let's bring her in.

Your show is huge. I'm so happy for you. Thank you, Denise. It's amazing. Thank you. You're amazing. It's probably because you came on. Oh, stop. Welcome back, by the way. Thank you for having me. So good to be with you. How have you been? I've been great, thank you. It's nice to know. I hope you agree. But first time you came on here, it was like, oh my God, we're having Denise Richards on. Like a Bond girl. And now we're friends. I love that. Now we're family. And when I was here last time, you weren't parents yet. Right.

You were pregnant. That's crazy. She was. So how is parenthood? Lovely. She just turned one beginning of this month. Isn't it crazy how fast it's... It goes so fast. I honestly had a moment the night before her birthday and I was like putting her to bed and I was crying and I was like, I must have just been like blacked out. How did it go by this fast? Like there's no way. It goes by really fast. I made Natalie cry last night though. Why? We were just talking about being parents and we're talking about our parents and I just...

I was empathizing with our parents because, you know, sometimes as we get older and like, I don't know, I don't know. Sometimes we just get annoyed with our parents or we have expectations of our parents or whatever, or we don't need our parents. We want things from our parents. And I was just like, well, now that we have a kid, like every day that goes by, River will need us less and less, you know, like she can't. Shot in the heart. So like that. And then I started crying.

you know, obviously because she has that bond, but I was just kind of pointing out that like, you know, we're so used to river. We can't look away for five seconds, especially now that she's walking. Oh, I know. And so it's just like for survival, our daughter needs constant supervision and like everything goes by, she gets a little bit more independent and that'll be the case every day for the rest of her life, you know, and, and,

I think as we get older as adults, we will kind of push back on our parents and fight for that independence, right? And I think as parents, I'm imagining as your daughters have gotten older, you've felt that kind of... Oh, it's so hard. It's such a hard adjustment. But at the same time, in a weird, strange way, they need us more when they get older, too, because...

They need your advice. They, even though sometimes they don't want to hear it, you know, my mom even always said before, you know, she passed away, she was like, you never stop being the parent. You're always, I'm always going to be there and you're always going to need me. And I did like whatever was going on. So it's just, and someone said this to me too, when

around when my oldest daughter was one, it was a director and he's like, you know what? You grow with your kids. And it's so true. Like you'll grow with them. So it's not like all of a sudden they're babies and then they're out of the house, even though it kind of is a blink of an eye of it happening. And my oldest is turning 21. It's crazy.

In a few weeks. And I can't believe I have a 21 year old daughter. It's so weird. I remember being 21. It's so surreal and strange. That is fun. So how is, you know, so you have your new show out. Yes, we have a new show. Love the name. Thank you. Did you come up with it? No, I did not. Alex Baskin did.

Good old Alex. Yeah. Great name. It's a great name. It's a great name. I'm very excited about it. I think I think all of Bravo Nation is excited to have you back. Thank you so much for saying that. Were you feeling any type of like anxiety or nerves about that or feeling like maybe people weren't excited? Well, I think it's always nerve, you know, a little nervousness, especially, you know, when you join like the housewives, the housewives is successful no matter who's on the show.

But when it's your own show, you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

It's on all of us. Me mostly. But, and it's a different experience having now my daughters being older and they're very much a part of it. So it's exciting. But of course, you're, you know, you're like, I hope people watch it. Oh my God, I think they definitely will. Well, that iconic line when it was like, dude, you're being such a bitch. Don't call your sister a dude. I forgot I said that until I saw it. I was like, oh gosh. It's...

I was more concerned about her calling her a dick than a bitch. That is why you are on TV. That is why, yeah, it is good. Was it a fun filming process? It was, but it was also challenging working with your family. And especially the older girls, there were times where they may be a little tired or something. I'm like, I don't care. We have to show up. And I imagine when you guys discuss...

discussed filming the show, like you went to your husband and the girls and asked their interest in doing it. Definitely. Yeah. Alex approached me and said, what do you think about doing a family documentary?

reality show. And then he and I, and I thought that could be fun. I want to make sure though, that the girls were wanting to do it. And so he and I met with the girls and they had a couple of conversations with him and they were really excited about it. And then we shot a sizzle a year ago and then we started filming a little shortly after that. So it's been, and for that, it's, it's very different because they've, they've done, they

We were on a reality show years ago, but they were so little. And they've done a few scenes on Housewives. But to be very involved, it's a little different. But I think they had fun doing it. We'll see. And we'll see some Housewife cameos, it looks like. Mostly Bev Hills, or are we going to have some other franchise crossovers? Mostly Bev Hills. Are you watching the season at all? I've only seen a few episodes this season. Because last night was...

I didn't see it last night. Oh, I'll have to catch up. It was a good episode. Yeah, it was. Who are you close with? Camille. Specifically like this season and anyone on this current season? Sutton and Garcelle. Sutton and Garcelle. And Kathy. Okay. I love Kathy. Can you help us get Kathy on this show? Yes. I DM'd her once and she wrote back. She's like, let's do it. And then we went back and forth and she has since ghosted me. I know someone I can call to try to get her on.

I'm sure she would love to be here. I think we would have so much fun. Oh, you would. She's so funny. She is so funny. Right? I would die. Yeah. There was that scene last night where they were all fighting and Buzz was like, you should just be quiet. And Kathy was like, you're right. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, I will make a call when I leave here. I would really appreciate it. And also, I just want to say how proud I am of you on your Special Forces appearance. Thank you so much for saying that. Denise had called me up. So after not too, a few months after she had came on the show, you know, and for people who don't remember or who didn't listen to the episode, Denise was very interested.

and asking questions about my time on Special Forces. And then... Very nervous about the craft services and the potty. Yeah. The potty. But I told you, I think I told you I wasn't, when I did do your show, I said there's no way I would do it. Right? You seemed on the fence. Oh, okay. Because I remember I called you on the fence.

I was unsure. You were still on the fence. Yeah. I was still on the fence. Now then I went to, I remember it because now then I decided to like drive to Calabasas for brunch. It was one of those things like, let's do something different, you know? And it went by, that was a nally. Let's do something different. So we drove to Calabasas for a brunch that wasn't as good. Whatever. Anyways, Denise called. I was like, Denise, where did you guys call?

That's cute. But Nini's called and she had some questions about special forces. And I was, I answered those questions and she ended up doing it. And you were so like committed to doing well. And that was your big thing when you called is like, you really wanted to go and kind of test yourself and see what you're capable of. And I really admired that. Thank you. I was so naive to think I could go forward.

further than what I did. But you did insane things. Like you jumped off of a moving boat onto a flying helicopter. I can't believe that. I was so dumb to do that. Like, I could have really gotten hurt. I was like, oh, just go. Did you not get hurt though? I didn't get hurt on that. Jumping off the bridge, I did. Jumping off the bridge, you did. Yeah.

Oh, that one. Yeah. Well, I thought it was incredible. You were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter and you did that. But you know what? In a movie, if that was like a real stunt, first of all, they wouldn't have the actor do it.

Second of all, if we did, there would be all this. I don't know. You'd rehearse more. You'd probably practice like somewhere else. It wouldn't be just like, OK, here we go. Action and just go. Exactly. Like when I went into that show, I was like, oh, they're going to give us all this training. And what happens is like you're standing on like, I don't know, the shoreline. And then they go look over there and they like demo. They're like, this is what you're going to do. Watch.

And they're like, go do that. That's it. That's all the training you get. Did you have to channel yourself? Like, try and think like, okay, I'm in a movie. I'm acting. This is how I'm going to do that. I had to pretend like I was doing a movie. Wow.

Wow. If it was just me, I would have I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have been able to to go when I saw the very first thing we had to do was to jump off a moving boat in this weird water. I didn't know what was in there. And we didn't have our phones to Google the body of water. I wanted to see if there were sharks and shit. They take our phones away, as you know. And I was like, what the hell's in there? And it's dark and raining. And I don't know.

Anyway, it was scary. And when the helicopter was going up, I thought, okay, the further I go up, the further I'm going to go...

there yeah and so i i just i was like i'm gonna let go you're a badass i told you when we talked i'm gonna go you can finish if you as long as you don't quit unless you get hurt and then you know yeah no i did get hurt but even if i didn't get hurt i would have opted out with the fight stuff when i saw they don't use a lot of head like i don't need my nose broken right now yeah they really opted out for that you're punching you're just

Straight up fighting. Good for you. Like after doing it, I can't for you to do what you did. Incredible. Well, thanks. This is about you. But well, thank you. But but for obviously people, it's it's much harder than it looks. Was there any part of you watching it back? That was like, I never saw it. Oh, really? I saw the clips.

I don't like watching my stuff, but also that because in the room where they take the potato sack off your head, you know, I said stuff that I've never talked about before and I didn't know what they were airing. And I was like, and when I left there, I was like, oh my gosh, why did I say this? But I wanted to be honest too and get out what I could from the show, but...

I think that's part of it too. Yeah, you're a little bit like, I don't need to... I don't need to see what... So how do... And how are we feeling about Denise and the Wild Things? I mean, the one thing that people will see... We have pretty much no filter, which is not a surprise with myself and my family. And it's...

It's just slice of life and I'm excited about it. And it's also, you know, you're so vulnerable like when you're like, oh my gosh, we shot a reality show and it's all of us just out there. But did you feel safer in this environment than with like the housewives? Because obviously you can't control what all these other women are saying and like they want to create drama and like here you're with your family. I think in a way.

I was more protective in this situation because of my girls, because, you know, they've lived in the shadow of their parents their whole life. And for them to be out there on their own, in a sense, that's, you know, they're doing press, they're doing stuff. They've never done this before. So it's new for them. So it's also being more protective about them being exposed to different things and comments and stuff like that. But yeah.

That's, you know, so I think it's a little bit of both. That makes sense. Is Charlie making any type of appearances? He is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Did you approach him and ask? Yeah. I'm like, hey, can you do this? And he said yes right away. Then he was like, no, then yes. No, I'm like.

you wanted me to do something for your documentary? You're doing this. There you go. And he had a good time, actually, I think. It was a good experience. That will be fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah, no, we, it was he and I and Lola and it was, it was good. And the relationship with your husband and Charlie still pretty positive? Yeah. No, they, from day one, they've always had a pretty good relationship.

Which helps. What else have you been up to? Well, that's been a lot. You have been quite busy with two shows. Yeah, I've been busy with that and just family life, as you know, with kids. And it's been great and exciting. What have you been doing kind of just to unwind and kind of take care of yourself and relax? What have you been doing for fun? Well, I think I told you, I don't know if I shared this with you, but if I...

if I didn't, this is my advice to you guys being new parents is I think it's good to always like my husband and I, we do once a month where we'll do a staycation where we will go to a hotel in the area and just shut down and not have any distractions. And I think it's so important for especially young parents to, to not forget to,

Have romance and have your time to always reconnect. Yeah, exactly. And it's nice to just have that. I mean, you could still have sex too at your house, but I'm just saying it's nice to have like no distractions where, you know, so I love that. We went to New York for an interview, which happened to be Valentine's Day. Oh. And so we...

We went alone. Oh, you did? Was that the first time leaving the baby? No, it's... That was like our third, but I think that was the longest time. It's usually like one night that we're able to leave. This was two nights. I feel like it's a good balance. I'm always saying to Natalie, like, this is good for her. I think this is good for us. It is. Because we're not going for any extended period of time. We're very lucky to feel very safe and confident with the childcare that we do have, which is often...

Her mom. Which is nice. And like, you know, I think I read somewhere you learn, but like, you know, you're at some point your child needs to learn that you can leave and come back. Right. And so even if it's for a short period of time. And so, yeah, you know, testing the water, nothing, nothing extended. It's a little nerve wracking for sure. There's always a little bit of guilt, you know, just to be away. It's because now she like.

knows that we're gone you know like before it she just was so little she didn't really like know what was going on and now it's like if we facetime and the facetime hangs up she's crying she's mad but then she's fine after that yeah it's like five seconds yeah right exactly and you know what when she's 10 she's not gonna remember that's true she's gonna be like oh my parents left yeah and i think it's important for kids to know like mom and dad or mom and mom or dad and dad

whoever is like it's okay for them to like they need their time too i think it's good for kids i think so and then when they get a little bit older you'll be like can we leave for a week yeah we gotta get out of here mom they're crazy do you uh keep up with uh kyle or dorit at all from um dorit i don't i uh kyle though okay yeah okay

So you don't know anything about what's going on with Dorit's marriage? I don't. I mean, I've heard it's a big storyline of this season. Yeah, Kyle's involvement and like PK's the friendship. It's all...

Okay. A big mess on this season. So I personally don't know. Like I didn't ask Kyle about it. I mean, if I were in your position, I would definitely not, but like I see, I don't watch often shows I'm on. I did watch special forces though. Well, how could you not? When you went, you know, you made it to, you know, as far as you did. I don't watch any of my acting.

Yes. That's been traumatic for me. Why is it traumatic for you? I think it's a little imposter syndrome for sure. I don't really need to critique my performances. I was just happy to be there. And do you want to do more acting? Do you like it? I do like it. You know, I was doing more a few years back.

with the show taking off and us being so busy, I've had less opportunities and certainly I've had less opportunities to study and practice because I'm not a natural, that's for sure. I do like, I really enjoyed studying it and taking the classes and getting better and like understanding what it took to be a good actor and just like the prep that goes into it and more than anything, just kind of having respect

backed for acting and before I even took any acting classes I would just watch movies I'd watch TV and I would just be watching a show I wouldn't really even think about the performances you know what I'm saying right right and then once you you know are able to go on set or you study acting a little bit you do acting classes you watch in a different way and I've always I've enjoyed that process of like being aware of like

that's a, you know, watching a performance and being, and realizing what that is and, you know, understanding how TV is made or how movies are made. I have a much different appreciation for it. So if I get the opportunity to do it, I would love to do it. But, you know, it's, it's not something that I'm like...

I'm not studying it as much as I used to. Okay. You know, the show, fatherhood, things like that. It's been tougher, but how about you? Well, it's funny too when I watch movies or TV shows, if it's a night scene, I'm thinking, oh gosh, they're freezing. They were, you know,

you know, you're up all night doing these, these shoots. And so it, I do look at it too differently. Or if it's, um, action movies are hard, but if it's a one line here or there, and to do that, well, is it's not as easy as it looks sometimes. So it is, you just look at it a little differently. Well, that's the thing. The better the performance, the easier it looks because you don't really think of the performance. It looks like someone just experienced it. You're like, you were watching a documentary.

Do you think you'll ever want to get back into acting or are you really enjoying the reality TV? Yeah, I mean, this year has been tough with that because with the strike and things, I was going to be doing a few projects, but they all got pushed. But I love acting and I've been lucky that I've done a few other movies. But this year has been a little with the business and stuff. But I love it. I love being on set. I love the camaraderie with everyone and everything.

collaborating. It's fun. How were you affected, if at all, with the fires? I know, like, you're in Malibu? Calabasas. We did have to evacuate. We were so lucky, though. I mean, my gosh. You know, living in L.A., my whole adult life,

seen fires here. That was the worst I've ever seen. The worst to see what's happened to... But you guys were safe. Yeah, we were. Did you have to... I mean, I know we did and it was a very traumatic thing to even have to like pack a to-go bag to like think of everything that you cannot replace. Well, because we were in the Woosley fires and

I learned after that you have to have everything ready because we lost some things in that one. But with this time, like trying to we did have to evacuate. We were out for about two weeks. Wow. Almost. Where'd you go? Santa Barbara. We got an Airbnb. We were hotel hopping and then we were able to get like a because also we didn't have power. Mostly it was that.

So, but it's all good. We're all safe and everything's great. Curious, you know, in housewife world, you know, it's like there's a lot of close friendships, as you know, and then, you know, but it's also a lot of

You're in the limelight. You know, Housewives sometimes is predicated off of jealousy and things like that. I'm curious, like getting your own show while nerve wracking and obviously the pressure. It's, you know, I feel like there's a lot of Housewives out there that would prefer their own show rather than being part of an ensemble cast. And have you felt any jealousy or has it just been all support from your friends or? The ones I'm friends with, I've felt support. Okay. I don't know the ones that I'm not friends with. They can be friends.

They could be pissed for all we know. I'm not sure. Late night phone calls and someone just breathing on the other end and hanging up. Yeah, no, I'm sure they're, you know, whatever. You don't give a fuck. I don't. Okay.

I don't mean to say it like that, but it's like when you're if I gave a fuck, I would have, you know, I've had so much shit said over the years and that kind of thing that at some point I just had to have thick skin and just do what I wanted to. It is honestly such a healthy mindset I feel like to have is just to be like, I don't give a fuck.

Like, I really don't. It's a blessing in a way when you've had shitty shit written about you. You're like, at some point, you're like, okay, well, what more could they say? No, I really don't care. It's fine. I'm just going to live my life. Do you remember, was there any particular thing that you had to go through that you really got good at your divorce? Yeah. That was really hard. That was the first time I ever experienced bad press.

and being misunderstood and having lies out there where I felt like I had to defend it. And, you know, my publicist would, who I'm still with, I've been with her forever, would tell me, don't say anything. And I would just be so, I really wanted to, but she was so right with that, just to sit back, just be quiet. But it's hard because when you're misunderstood and

And, you know, I kind of had to go in a bubble and not read anything or hear about anything because it's it can be very toxic and dark, especially having young babies trying to be a mom and a single mom and doing all of that.

And it affected my job. It was really hard. And so, but it was such a good lesson for me because I was always like a people pleaser and worried when I did interviews what to say. Bless you. Thank you. You're welcome. So it was just, it was actually the silver lining going through all that was that I was able to just be myself doing stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah. I feel like today's, like, I feel like TikTok is the like nasty overkill

OK Magazine and like the like tabloids of that era who would just print crazy false like makeup. So I feel like TikTok is that today because it's like anyone can say anything and run with it and it gets millions of views and goes viral and whatever. And so, yeah, it's like for me, I don't I don't get on TikTok. I don't because like the second I get on, I have an intense anxiety of like what TikTok

I know. Because people can just say anything. They can say whatever. And it's crazy. It is crazy. Yeah. I'm glad I didn't go through my divorce during this time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now it's nuts out there. No, it's not good. Yeah. But there's a lot of positive with it all, too. But still, I'm glad my shit was before that. Yeah. I was going to ask you something.

Are you going to ask me about the toilet on Special Forces? You want me to? No, I'm joking. That was one of your, when you were sitting here, you were like, I'm worried about the craft, the food. You're like, where's the craft services set up? There's no craft service. You were right about that. There's definitely no craft service. No, there isn't. There is at the end.

Oh, right. When you finish. And you go through the gates. There's a whole camp. I'm like, where the hell have you guys been? There's like civilization. You're like, what the fuck? I know. It's so crazy. Yeah. They have hot tea for you. Yeah. No. Yeah. Real food. Yeah. You know, soda, you know, whatever. Did you guys have a changing room outside with the heaters? There was a changing room next door with heaters.

Yeah. Like when you were doing your tasks and if you guys got cold or wet or whatever. Yeah, there was like a drying room. So we had to dry our clothes. No, but not in the camp. But like when you're out doing stuff, because I remember when you guys were doing that, there'd be even just a little plastic tent. Sometimes there was a tent. We never had that. Well, the first time there was a tent and

and then like there was always a tent for safety but then they wouldn't let us use the tent. So like unless you were dying, you had to change outside. Oh, okay. Got it. I was surprised by that. And when you have to change on TV, I was like, oh gosh. No, it's network television. You just have to trust that someone's going to see it but hopefully not America. And it's freezing. Especially for us guys, you know.

Wait, so the potty was, it was just a bucket, right? Well, no, I did get a private toilet. Okay. What do you mean? So there's the ones where the door, because I was like, I don't want where you could see legs.

I want the full door. That was a Denise Richards request. Yeah. I'm like, I'm not going to sit next to someone. They, so they, it took a month. Um, and then we heard back. So I thought I'm not gonna, I'm not doing the show. And then they were like, we got, we got the toilet sorted. They called it the dumpster something. I forgot what it was called, but I said, um,

They said it would just be for me. And I said, I'm sure they're going to love that I'm saying this, but I'm so sorry, producers. But that, so I said, I don't want people to know it's just my toilet because then I'll have a target on my back and then they're going to not like me. Sure.

It was for everyone. But I said, well, where is this toilet going to be? Do we get a tour of the place? I thought the producers would like show us around and then on TV it would be the Diaz. It's not like that. You don't even see the producers. So I saw she goes, trust me, you're going to see where the toilet is. And I saw it was like covered with some I don't know what shrubs or some shit that

Cam Newton is so damn tall. He just leaned over. He's like, wait a second. There's a toilet in here. So yeah, but I so I didn't I shut my mouth. I didn't say anything. But apparently after I left, Golden Tate told me they locked the door and I didn't last long. So I was like, that's kind of shitty. Why didn't they leave that thing unlocked for everyone else? But no one knew that it was. Yeah. Once I was out, which was only two days.

Are you watching Traders at all? Yes, I love it. It's so great. Would you ever do it? Yeah. I bet they would give you whatever toilet you want. They asked me actually to do it, but it was a couple days after Special Forces. Well, I like the breakfast. They asked you to do this past... This past, but I couldn't because...

We started filming our show. You're being a badass. Right. So I had to get back to L.A. But yeah, when I see that, that castle with that nice breakfast. The outfits. What about next season? When did you do it?

Yeah, I probably would. I love the show. Who are you rooting for the most on this season? I wish Chris Shell didn't get off. I liked her. She's so sweet. I know. She's sweet. I love Dolores. She's great. It's such a shame she got voted. That was Dorinda. Oh, Dorinda. Too many Ds. Housewives. The other housewife. They really do target housewives, though. They do. So you would have to be like,

I'm not a housewife. I am Denise Richards of the Wild Things. I am not. I don't think they give a shit. So you obviously watch the show. Would you do it? I would. I hope we get a chance. It's tough with this show. You're kind of busy with this show. Yeah.

But hopefully someday. Do you think you should do it? Oh, yeah. And do you think he should be a traitor or a faithful? I think he should be a faithful just because he's really not a good liar at all. Like he's one of those who's like, I lied to you earlier about I just can't. I can't go on any longer. Like I didn't take the trash out. I lied to you.

So I feel like if he was a traitor, there's a lot of manipulating and lying. Usually it's not the trash. It's like, did you smoke weed? Can't you smell that though? It's what? What? Did you smoke weed? What? Huh? And then he gets up and like, oh, someone's at the door. Like, I have to go hang up clothes or something. I have to leave immediately. Who gets the remote? I would like to have it.

However, then it sat down and then all of a sudden he takes it and puts it on the other side. I'm like, where the hell is the remote? And then you're looking for it for forever. Yeah. And he's like, I don't know. Do y'all get in bed at the same time? Yeah. Okay. And then we like to watch the same stuff. Yes. Good. So.

Yep. So do we. Does like he get your water, turn off the lights, lock the doors. He does all of that. He does the nightly duties. He does the nightly duties. As he should, right? Right. Yes. He brings me coffee in the morning. Oh, my God. Yeah. Same. Every morning. Same. Oh, you do? Not every day. I make her coffee. I made my own this morning. So. All right.

I asked you. Yeah, today. Not today. Okay, he's going to have to make up. Now he's turned into a little barista and she has a little cappuccino machine. I offered to make her coffee and then she's like, no, I got it. But then I said, actually, you know what? I would like for you to make me coffee, but he never turned on the... I did, no. What happened? Because there wasn't coffee and I had to make my own.

Why did she have to make her own coffee today? Because I was also making our daughter breakfast. Okay, so when your daughter wakes up in the middle of the night, I'm sure she sleeps through the night, but I'm sure if she wakes up crying, who gets up with her? Me. Oh, that's nice. But I enjoy it. Honestly, it's really because if

If I were to go in there, it would be like time to play. It's harder to get her back down. Yeah, it's a lot harder. He's a lot more of like a calmer energy. It's great. I walk in and I put on one of his robes. Real cool.

It's like a mini dress. That's so cute. And then we cuddle and then I put her back to sleep. So she doesn't sleep in your room at all? She did in the beginning. We transitioned her to her crib at like four months, four and a half months. And she loves it. And she like, I put little stuffed animals in each corner of the crib and she like will play. How old was she when she started sleeping through the night?

Honestly, when we put her in at four months, she was like, I'm good to go. Oh, isn't that nice? Yeah, first night. We got real lucky. And now sometimes we try to bring her into our room, but like now it's too much of a distraction. Right. Well, there is no like, let's fall back asleep, everyone. It's like. It's hard. I need to be on top of my mom.

My mom. And it's amazing how much room they take up for being so little. It's crazy. Right? It's crazy. I'll be on like the far corner and she's really close up next to me. And then Nick is really close. And I'm like, there is so much room, Nick, on your side. You've got to scoot over. Everyone has got to scoot. But most nights I have Jeff. So Steve's in the kennel. Steve or dogs. Jeff is in the bed.

And wait, what kind of dog is Jeff? I love the names. They're Labradoodles. They're little doodles. Labradoodles. But Jeff is just like up next to me. And there are some nights where I'm just sandwiched between Nally's body heat and Jeff's body heat. And I'm in pants. And she's in pants. Do you sleep in pants? No. I sleep in either my husband's boxers or I have these Skims shorts. We love Skims.

I love skims so much. Yeah, I don't. Madeline sleeps in pants. It's because our house is really cold. I keep the room cold, but I like thousands of blankets and my husband doesn't like to sleep. This is where we have our disagreements with the bedding because I like really thick

weighted comforters. He likes the soft, shitty ones. And so like paper thin. Yeah. And I'm like that thing. I need to feel like I'm being hugged. Yeah. That's especially if you're in shorts. Yeah. And I like the room cold, but I like to be under a thousand like very thick blankets. But we have Tim that sleeps with us. That's our naked cat.

And blue is our naked cat. Not our neighbor. Not Tim the neighbor. I know. When you said Steve's in the kennel, I said our dog. How come Steve's in the kennel but Jeff isn't? I think that hurts. Steve is naughty. Steve is so bad. He opens drawers. He pulls stuff out in the middle of the night. He's bad. In fairness to Steve, there's been a bit of a transmissional period. Jeff was our first. So Jeff kind of got dibs. And we kettle trained Jeff regularly.

Right away. I love the names too. Every time, as soon as we got Jeff, everyone's like kettle train, kettle train. So we did. We kettle trained Jeff. I think it's kennel. What did I say? Kettle. I know what he was talking about. Kettle chips, you know? Kettle, whatever. Valentine's, Valentine's, it doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying. Anyways, we trained him. And eventually Jeff started sleeping with us. We loved it. It was great. It's so nice. Yeah, it was wonderful. And then we had a child. Well, nobody got Steve. Yeah.

It was like, you know, we had a good first baby, like Jeff. Jeff was a very good, like, dog. Like, just really well behaved, kennel trained. Well, we just kind of, like, didn't kennel train Steve. Yeah.

And so Steve started getting in bed with us. We're having two dogs. It was just, it got a little nuts. I get it. We had to go back. So, and then Steve was kind of misbehaving. So we had to go back, kennel train him. Now he likes the kennel. And honestly, like it's just too many fucking dogs in bed. And Steve, when we go to bed, he just goes right into his kennel. That's like his bedroom. That's his bedroom. He's good. Every once in a while, like he'll, you know, we'll leave, we'll forget to lock the kennel because usually he'll just stay in there. And sometimes he,

He creeps up on them. Is the kennel in your room? Yeah. Oh, that's sweet. But Steve is much better with River.

Like, they're friends. Oh, that's good. Jeff wants nothing to do with River. If she comes near him, he's like, ugh. That's so cute, though. And Steve will let her pet him. That's so sweet. Steve and River are going to be very close friends. Oh, that's really sweet. Was Tim around when your girls were younger? No, Tim, he's only two years old. Him and his sister are dogs that most of them have passed away, but they were always good with the girls. We do have Lily. She's...

12, though. So, you know, she's a lab. She's getting up there. She loves to sleep in the bed, but she's a lab. So she had stairs. But then my husband now he moves the stairs so she can't go up. He's like, this is too much with the naked cat, with the naked cats and the naked cats. They're like heaters. So are they? Yeah. And Blue sleeps down by my legs and it's really hot. And then Tim sleeps on Aaron's under his armpit. So.

We have a full bed too. It's a full bed. It's a full bed. Yeah, it gets hot. There's a lot going on. Talking to other couples, isn't it? Do you and Erin share a drink? What do you mean? We have a communal cup. We drink like at dinner. Nick and I will make one big Stanley of like full water and we, there's one straw and we share. I mean, I would take a sip out of it if I couldn't find my water. Right, but you have your own. But we have our own. But I'm not judging by any means. No, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we don't... We are very much in the minority of that. When you guys are filming season two... Thank you for saying that. Can we double date? Can we do like a scene? Okay, I'm going to hold you to that. Actually... You swear you'll do it? Yeah. Okay, I would love that. I mean, as long as it's fun. My husband would love to talk to you because... As long as it's fun and we goof around. Oh, we would. He's so obsessed with Special Forces. Why I really did that damn show is because of him. You want to turn him on. That's why I did it. No, I actually...

thought I wouldn't turn him on because I thought there's no way I could even do this damn thing. No, he wanted to live vicariously through me, I think, because he would kill it if he did it. So I know he would love to talk to you about it. He loved you on the show. We would. Yeah. So we'll double date. We'll do a little. We'll do a little. We'll for sure do that. That would be fun. I would love that. We'll just be your friends. Thank you. Well, we are friends. I know, but I want the world to see us be friends.

you're just like we're just having dinner with our friends Nick and Natalie that would be fun okay you guys have to make sure yes okay thank you oh my god absolutely sign us up we're there tell Alex so I love that you're a cowboy do you ever want to move out of LA yes where would your dream place go

Somewhere in the South. I would, I want to go to Tennessee. So I'm, I'm from Alabama, lived in Georgia for a while, grew up going to Tennessee a ton. So I think we just have a lot, like I just, since having River, I feel like we both want to just like raise her in a different, a slower life, a slower atmosphere, you know, bigger community, closer to family. So I do think we're going to end up in the South at some point. Um,

hopefully sooner rather than later. So does your mom... If we have a house in Tennessee or anywhere in the South at some point, maybe you guys can, you and Erin, come and visit. We would love that. And we'll do like a whole episode of like Denise goes to the South. To Alabama. Yeah, we can do it. Or Georgia or Texas, wherever. I don't think I'll move to Alabama. I need like... He needs a little bit of... I understand he loves... Humanity. Yeah. Now you might...

some people that live in Alabama. Now these might live in Alabama. All right, fine. Listen, it's lovely. I've been there. It's great. I understand. Not for me. It's not for you to live there. It's not for me to live. I get it. As someone who grew up there, it is quite boring. At least the place. I mean, I grew up in a college town and if you're like not in college or retired, it's not fun.

I get it. But your mom lives out here now. No, no, no. My mom's still in Alabama. She comes to visit like once a month for a week or something. That's so nice. Yeah, she's been very helpful when it comes to helping us have an adventurous life. That's good. Would y'all ever move out of LA? Yeah, for sure. Really? Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever leave LA. I would always want to have a place here. We aspire to be bi-coastal. I think that's good. But if I could do it all over again with kids, I would raise them somewhere else. I don't think...

our children will be going to school in the Los Angeles school system. I think that might be good. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. It's changed a little bit over the years here.

Just in a short time. What should we talk about before we let you go? We've already decided you're going to be on second season. Yep. I'm going to visit you guys in the South. Okay. What else could I say about our show with the housewives? You might see maybe Erica Jean. Ooh. Camille's going to be there. Tori Spelling. Has Tori done your show? Virtually. Long time ago. Oh, virtually. Okay. She's funny. She's a hoot. She's a hoot. Yeah.

Yeah, she's another one with no filter, which I love. Oh my God, this is going to be such a good show. Thank you. And, you know, it's just, we're just crazy, a crazy family.

When is it premiere? March 4th. Are you going to watch this back? I had to because I'm a producer. So I had to see the episodes. And when you say producer, are you allowed to have creative input in post-production? You know, I am. But I was so happy how they put everything together. They did a great job. And each episode is short. We're doing two episodes back to back.

And we premiere right after The Housewives of Beverly Hills. Will it be dramatic? The show? Yeah. It's funny. It's more like lighthearted family, more funny than a lot of love. I can't wait. You know, it's silly drama between siblings and myself with being parents and...

That kind of relatable stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I think that some people might be able to relate to it a little bit. I can't wait to watch it. Thank you. It's so great to have you on. Well, thank you for having me. You're the best. Come back. Can we, when you, can you come back when your season's airing? Sure. Talk about it. Yeah, I would love to. Yeah. I don't want to bother you, Denise. Cause like, you know, I just don't want to overstep my welcome. Okay. I'll bother you and say, can I come on? Okay, great.

Thank you. Does that work? Please. Someday, can you come on and just talk like Beverly Hills Hotline? He wants you to come talk shit. Oh, you mean about... The show. Let me catch up watching the season. I would definitely just love your input because you know these. Yeah, I'm going to. I met Kyle for like... I introduced myself to Kyle for 20 seconds. I've never met Sutton...

I've never met Dorit. I've never met Bo. I don't really know. You know, so like, you know, sometimes I like that because like when we talk about them, you know, it's like, I don't know, you know, but like the more we talk about, I'd love, I'd love to get an accurate, like, okay. So you must be very disappointed and probably like, oh fuck. She didn't even watch this season. And I have so many questions for her. So I'm going to catch up and I'll watch it. I didn't have you on to talk. I was curious if you were joking.

But Sunday I would love that. Yeah. And I'll tell you my thoughts. I do think the timing of

Well, I'll watch. I'll catch up. Well, Denise, so good to see you. So good to see you too. Congratulations on your new show. Thank you so much. March 4th. It's out. March 4th on Bravo. So Tuesday nights. Tuesday nights. Following Beverly Hills Housewives. I know. What a great time. Lead in. I know. I feel very blessed and lucky for that. They must feel very good about this. I hope so. Well, it could be following Roni. That wouldn't be good. Yeah.

That's true. This is going to be so exciting. I'm so excited to watch it. It's going to be amazing. Congratulations on everything. Thank you so much. You really crushed Special Forces. We were like, damn, she killed it. I wasn't on. If you blinked, I was gone. But you did some crazy hard challenges. I don't mean this with any disrespect, but do you think Dorit or...

Any of the current cast of Beverly Hills would jump out of a boat onto a helicopter? I don't. No. The only one I think that would probably be Erica. Yeah, Erica might do it. She's got some balls. Yeah, I can picture Erica doing it. But not many housewives. I'm just saying. Not many. Mad respects. Not many on Beverly Hills. That's true. But thank you for saying that. Always great to see you. You too. It is hard to find the perfect heroine.

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Oh, well, we love Denise. Always great to catch up with our queen. Very excited about her show. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to have to bring her back with her daughters. I think that'll be a fun dynamic to see them all interact. Up next, we're talking a little Love is Blind episodes four through six. And we have Alex coming up. This this relationship between him and Madison was wild. I'm glad he made the decision he made.

I'm curious how he came to that decision. She seems like a bad breaker-upper. I mean, I feel like that was somebody that was paying attention to the context clues because the way that she was talking about the other guy, Mason, it was just like, oh, you're not a nice person. When she broke up with Mason, and then, yeah, I don't know, Mason did the whole thing of kind of acting like maybe he didn't

mean what he said or whatever. I don't know. But like you could her body language changed so quickly and she got really upset because she she wanted him to be upset. Yeah. She wanted him to be hurt and mad. It was definitely not like I'm glad you have another person and like you should be like she wasn't happy for you and I'm always cheering you on. She wanted him crushed. Yeah. You take it back. You're not you don't you weren't ever committed to me. It was like an ego shot. And then when she is talking to out

And, you know, he's friends with Mason and just saying, well, I just see both sides. She says, Mason really hurt me. You know, she didn't accuse him of, you know, I assume she means emotionally, but that's like such a, what do you mean you broke up with him? And all he did was this kind of like, you know, as people do when they're getting broken up with or maybe feel a certain way, kind of maybe just try to take back, you know, feeling kind of embarrassed, opening up. And like that turned into her story.

her telling someone, some random person, that this guy hurt her? Well, not only that, she also sabotaged Mason's other relationship and then is playing the victim in the situation, being like, this is what you guys signed up for. Everybody's dating multiple people at this point or getting down to their single person. But she's taking it out like, well, if he was going to choose me, he didn't have real feelings for you, so are you going to break up with him? That was wild to watch. No, vindictive. And it did, I feel like it definitely made Meg question everything

With Mason, which ended up obviously in both of them just going home, which was sad. Yeah, because I actually would have liked to see that relationship carry on outside of the pod. The only thing I'm mad about Alex, and we will obviously ask him how he came to this decision, is this like, I would have liked to see this relationship explode permanently.

You're mad at him for TV purposes, not for his personal well-being. No, not for his mental health or his overall well-being. For ours. But like Alex's emotional maturity really fucked us. Let's bring him up. Hello. Alex, how's it going? What a beautiful face. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Okay. I'm feeling really good. Well, we have a lot of questions for you. So we're excited to ask you those. We were just talking about

your relationship with Madison. Very proud of you. Cause you know, I watching this back, I don't know if you know this, I'm from Wisconsin. So also a Midwest guy watching you in a lot of ways reminded me of like younger me. And that relationship reminded me of like the type of people I pursued early in life.

And so really proud that you seem to pick up on some red flags that were demonstrated. So, you know, for your mental health, you seem to be, you know, make a really sound decision for TV purposes. We were sad to see this relationship end so quickly. You know, I kind of wanted to see it. You couldn't have like stuck it out a little longer for the vacation.

You know, I went into this experiment and I said, I'm going to be completely authentic to myself and whatever I honestly feel, I'm going to go with it. And I said, there's no pressure to continue on the show if I don't sincerely feel like it's going to work. And I wanted to be true to myself and not force anything and be that guy that just goes along with it just to be on TV or have an experience. So I was never going to do that. You know, I realized that at the end it wasn't going to work. So I cut it off.

No hard feelings about it.

But, you know, it is a shame because our story, I feel like was very interesting and people were disappointed that they couldn't hear more of us. So, yeah, I feel like there could have been more to unpack there, but totally get it. What were some of the things that you started noticing, you know, that maybe stopped you from thinking this was a relationship you could pursue? Because it really seemed like she had landed on you. She was going back and forth between you and Mason. What were some of the things that stopped you from pursuing that relationship?

Well, I guess just to start with, you know, they don't show 99% of what we talk about in the pods. And Madison and I really did have a good relationship. We had a lot of fun in there that they didn't show, really. It was all very, very serious conversations. So we had a really, really solid relationship.

But I think the main concern that was shown was the lack of communication. I think we both just had very different communication styles. And I was trying to get ahead of that, right, because I've had issues with that in the past. And I know how important that is and how detrimental to a relationship that can be.

And I've had some really, really tough relationships in the past because of that core issue of not being on the same page with our communication. So I wanted to really take that seriously and try to figure out if that's something that we were on the same page or not. And, you know, just some things came up in the pods that just showed that we weren't on that same page. And so I had to make the tough decision to

to cut it off, I think. - Yeah, was there anything specific that you can share with us that maybe we didn't get to see that kind of raised some concerns on your end? - I think definitely the Mason situation, just how that was handled. I don't know, it just didn't really sit right with me.

As someone who was bullied, I feel like there was a little bit of bullying going on there with Mason. And I just didn't feel like that was rightfully placed on him. Um, and you know, there was maybe a little more negativity than what was shown, um, coming from Madison and, uh,

That's why I kept pushing back and saying, I understand his perspective. And I said that so many times, but it was coming from a place of a response to the negativity. And I mean, there were just some other really small instances where it was awkward in the pods because I would say something, she wouldn't respond to it in a way that made sense to me. And that's not saying it was right or wrong. It just showed that we were very different people.

And so, yeah, I don't know if I can come up with specific examples, but yeah. Well, it's interesting, you know, when I was watching it there, you know, Madison was doing a lot of things that I, for me, demonstrated a lot of red flags. You know, it just seemed like she kind of seemed like a bad breaker-upper. She seemed to really want Mason to like, I felt like she wanted him to be crushed, you know, when she decided to end it with him and

And she didn't like his response. And it seemed almost kind of vengeful. She did say something that maybe kind of empathize with her or at least understand her where she said something to you. Like, it doesn't matter like how much you fight or whatever. It just matters kind of like how you were, you know, it's always like if you guys don't give up and how like you fight through it. Yeah. And it was just like, well, that makes a lot of sense coming from her because it felt like this person, all she knows is just conflict and fighting and it's

And it's all about the making up and getting back together, which, you know, when I was 21 was kind of fun, I guess. But like kind of to your point, I imagine that's kind of when you said had you had issues with that in the past.

If you've ever been in a relationship like that and you've really tried to reflect and try to have a healthier relationship going forward, you realize that, yeah, fighting isn't a good thing. And yeah, all couples fight and conflicts do happen. But I think there are couples that look to fight. And I think there are people who look to instigate drama only to have the resolution because the resolution makes you feel like you're coming together.

And it really kind of felt like that's the type of relationship that Madison was used to. Is that some of the stuff that you were picking up on? I mean, yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself. That was very well explained there. I think that is true from what I saw. It seemed like she was very used to conflict.

And so was I in my earlier life. And I just, I'm at a point now where I can't handle that and I don't want to fight. I don't want to have these big, massive blowouts and then make up and everything is fine for a week. And then it's another huge thing. And I just, I can't do that anymore. And so, yeah, I think maybe, I don't know what else I can say about it because you said it so beautifully. Do you think watching it back, you kind of like,

felt really good about your decision? Or was there any part of you that was like, maybe I saw that wrong and seeing it from her perspective or seeing a conversation she had with Mason changed your mind about anything? I'd say overall, I'm really proud of how I handled everything. I wouldn't change my actions or decisions at all. I think the way that they maybe edited the last date was maybe not as accurate as it was. So I kind of cringed a little bit at that.

But no, I don't really regret anything. Again, we were just very different people. We're on different communication styles. And so, yeah,

it just was not the right relationship and I was not about to force it or, you know, continue it longer than it needed to. I feel like the mature thing to do was to recognize that it wasn't going to work and then end it right away. Totally. And we totally get that. Like, you know, I've, I'm familiar with, with how reality TV is made and how you never really get to see a lot of things. But I am curious, you, you mentioned the last day, what, what specifically do you remember versus what was aired that made you kind of cringe a little bit? It,

It felt like I was really, really pressing the fact that I understood Mason's perspective. And

And which definitely, I mean, I did keep saying that thing or that line over and over. Um, but again, it was in response to negativity that I feel like was not aired. You know, there was a lot more negativity being said about Mason. And so I was saying, well, I understand his perspective in response to that negativity. Um,

And so and again, I totally understand, you know, her perspective and why she would be negative towards Mason. He did screw up. Right. You know, there's no question about it. He screwed up. He said the wrong thing. He didn't handle himself in the way that I know he wanted to.

But also you have to understand that I actually knew Mason better than I knew Madison because I spend more time with the guys in the lounge than I do with the women in the pods. Right. So Mason and I at that point were fairly close and I knew he was such a genuine good guy. And I just didn't want to see someone talking so negatively about him when I feel like he didn't deserve.

of it. Yeah, it was tough after her and Mason broke up hearing her kind of talk shit. I think she like called him a clown or something like that or he said, you know, it's just it felt a little icky given that she was the one who ultimately decided she didn't want to be in that relationship given that she she kind of came into that breakup with all the power and I think she left with all the power and

And for her to talk shit about Mason just felt so unnecessary. She also talked shit to his other girl. Yeah. Yeah, I was watching that to see her kind of trying to like ruin that relationship as well between Meg and Mason. I just thought it was maybe a little...

I didn't see that. You know, all I see is this limited perspective of in the pods with one person at a time. So, um, it was definitely interesting to watch after the fact after a year, you know, since being there, um,

But yeah, it just didn't feel great. And I think it may be confirmed that I did make the right decision. Have you and Madison talked since the pods? Yes, we have talked. I mean, when we got out of the pods, we got back to Minneapolis and we did talk for a brief time, I would say.

And then the same issues kind of just kept coming up. And we realized again that we just were communicating differently. And then we decided to go our separate ways. When was the first time you saw what she looked like when you got out of the pods? Did you like look her up online or did you wait to meet her in person?

basically the shuttle that took us to the airport, I was sitting in there alone and we got our phone back. And so I turned it on and there's like hundreds of notifications. And I immediately, I went and looked her up on Instagram because obviously, right. Um, and so I saw her for the first time on Instagram. And then we, we met at the airport afterwards and it was such a crazy experience just to put a face to the voice. Oh, that's crazy. Uh, we, we,

Have you ever thought about growing a beard? You know, I have had a beard. You're a very handsome guy, but you kind of... You would crush a beard. And I say this knowing my husband crushes a beard. My wife hates my face. And I always thought I was a good looking guy before I met my wife. But a beard, a beard really... You have a sweet face, Alex. You know, it'll...

roughing you up. You know, I'll consider it just because of this. I'll try it out. And the mock neck turtlenecks, do you feel like those are going to make another round in the mix? This was filmed last year. And honestly, I don't know if I was fully out of my skinny jean phase last year. So...

Where are you in that skinny, skinny jean journey? You know, I think I'm on the other end of it now. Oh, congratulations. Definitely, you know, I didn't make the best fashion choices. I'll totally agree. But, you know,

I did want to stand out a little bit. I wanted to wear something that wasn't just like the gray blazer or whatever that I feel like most of the guys were going to wear. So I did make a choice to wear the blue turtleneck. And it was definitely...

Listen, blue is definitely your color. You look great in blue. I think it was more so just like the commit to the turtleneck that there was lack thereof, you know? Do we know if there's going to be a reunion? I don't know. You're probably not even allowed to say or even if you'll be there. But if you do go, if there is one and you do get invited, loose fitted suit, beard, maybe a neck tattoo. I'm kidding. Oh my God.

No, that's crazy. What do you do for work, Alex? I do commercial real estate. Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay. Were you a fan of the show before you went on? I really was actually. So I'm a big fan of psychology. I went to my local community college and I took every single psychology class that they had to offer just because I'm super interested in how people work and think and everything.

This show, I think, is like one of the most genuine, like psychological experiments. And it's super fascinating to me. And I've always been interested since season one. And so I think I was one of the only people that just applied on my own without a producer like reaching out to me.

just because I was so interested in just the application process alone. I saw they were casting in Minneapolis and I was like, you know, let me see. I just wanted to see what it was like. And I filled out the questions thinking there's, there's no chance I'm going to get chosen out of tens of thousands of people, you know, and two years later, here we are. That is crazy. Two years later. Wow. Are you still friends with anyone from the cast? Yes. Uh, Mason and I are really close, uh, still. So we've traveled quite a bit together. Um,

Meg and I are also very close. All the guys, I mean, I consider them all brothers to me at this point. So I just, I love them so much. They're such great, genuine, unique people. How's Mason feeling after watching him and Madison's breakup? You know, I can't really speak for him, but I think it was a tough watch for all of us in different points. You know, it's, it's really cringe watching yourself on Netflix, um,

My heart was racing the whole time the first time I watched it. Every time I'd come on screen, it was like the most painful experience. And I can only imagine for Mason, you know, with some of the scenes and like especially some of the sexual scenes, I just...

I can't imagine I feel for him. Yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah, it's... People will forget quickly. I thought you carried yourself very well. So nothing to be nervous about. You should be proud of your performance on Netflix, I feel like. Thank you so much. You know, I really appreciate it. And I've been getting a lot of... I'm pissed you broke up with her too soon. But that's selfishly as a fan of the show. I am...

That was triggering. But other than that, but you know, friend to Fred, you did a great job. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it. All right, Alex. Well, thank you for your time. Best of luck, whatever it is you do. And maybe we'll see you on a future Netflix show some other time. There's the beach. We'll see. Yeah. You never know. You never know. Well, thanks so much. I appreciate this. And this was awesome. All right. Take care, buddy. All right. Bye. Bye.

So sweet. Perfect. Do you think he could do like a Too Hot to Handle? He's very handsome. You definitely see like this kind of like that nerdy kid inside him when he was younger that he described, you know, but he's... How old is he? I think he's like 28. Let me see. Okay. So he's like an adult. This was a year ago. No, he's really cute. Any other... I thought... What was it? Devin and... Virginia. Virginia. He ends up with Virginia. No, I know. But I thought that I appreciated Devin...

to like open up about his ignorance when him and Brittany were having that conversation about her being bisexual. I appreciate his vulnerability just because I think, you know, he has a viewpoint that I think a lot of people have where they have this idea that if someone's bisexual, that somehow like means that they can like switch hit, so to speak. Because he kept asking Brittany, it's just like, well, I just want someone to be with me. And I'm like, well, if she picks you, she will be. Yeah, I'm glad that finally she was like, I am.

am monogamous. Bisexuality and polyamory are not the same thing. But I think there's a lot of confusion. Especially in today's climate, I don't think it's very easy for someone like Devin to acknowledge ignorance. That's what it was. It wasn't coming from a place of malice or anything like that. But I'm sure his point of view was probably triggering for some people who maybe feel judged

or for opening up about their sexuality, only to have someone like

change their you know because it did feel like devin his energy his energy changed a little bit it did if i were britney in that situation i would have been it would have made me feel like a very specific type of way having been in that situation before but also at the same time it's not like devin did anything wrong he just didn't know but also like if i was britney i would have probably done the exact same thing she did which was like you know what maybe this isn't

the right relationship for me. If you know what I mean. Sure. It kind of it showed that they were just kind of on two different two different pages two different pages two different kind of he can't handle a bisexual baddie. I will say I am kind of like bored with a lot of these couples you know

you know, like I can't, like Monica and Joey, it's hard to watch. That's the problem though. It's just like the most compelling storylines. I've been into these first six episodes, but then all of a sudden we got done and I realized all the...

Couples we have left are... But I'm also like, for now, because I'm like, remembered, like, a lot of shit blows up during this, like, honeymoon stage, finally living with each other, like, not being able to separate and seeing their tics and seeing, like, their antics and how they go about things. We'll see. Also the cliffhanger of Taylor and Daniel. Like, that I'm interested in. Yeah, where he, like...

Especially because he allegedly followed her on Instagram or whatever. And they have that entire conversation where he's like, I remember Instagram handles. Do you think we've met before? She's like, would you follow me? He's like, no. I remember Instagram handles very well. And I can see a profile picture. So either he's lying or she's confusing him with someone else, right? Well, no. There was that weird moment, though, during that conversation where he was like, I shouldn't have said that or

Or like, why did I say that? And then she's like, no, that's not a weird thing to say. Where I'm like, was it a weird thing to say? So yeah, it could go both ways. I will say his story isn't unbelievable. No. You know, we're talking about Minneapolis, St. Paul. Like when I was in my 20s, I lived in Milwaukee. Milwaukee is smaller than Minneapolis, St. Paul. Don't get me wrong. But they're still relatively smaller cities, right? And when you are in your 20s, early 30s, single, single,

You're a working professional. You got a little money. There's like a socialite scene. When I was in my 20s going out, you're going out most Fridays and Saturday nights to the bars. There's not that many bars in these cities to go out to. And if you're frequently going out, there's a group of young professionals and you all kind of know each other. And if you don't know everyone, but it's not uncommon for...

for guys and girls in a respective city to like follow people they find attractive, you know, just to like, Oh, to someone who shows up on your Explorer page, algorithms feeding you people, you,

That's definitely believable. I think what's less believable is the fact that he specifically says he has a great memory with Instagram handles and profile pictures. A lot of people say they are. Cashel thought she had great vibes and was wrong about that. Like sometimes we're wrong about how confident we are about things. I guess it's just it's uber specific to say something that you're like very good at memory. Remember, remember.

So remembering. I like the way you said it, actually. What? She said she liked the way you said it. I liked that. Memory? We should make that a thing. I kind of like that, too. Memoring. I also say heat seeder, so.

Heat seater. You want me to turn your heat seater on? I think that's a better... That's a way cooler... It rolls off the tongue. Way cooler thing to say. Membering should be a new word. Yeah, I mean, it could go both ways. I'm just saying, I think some people are like, watch that scene and be like, oh, guilty. You know, it's like he's projecting or kind of telling on himself. And maybe... It's a wild accusation, that's for sure. To be like, I remembered you, we have mutuals. And like, you followed me and unfollowed me. Which we don't know exactly what...

They find out because we haven't seen that yet. But I agree with you. I'm like, how much time are you spending on this profile to realize that they followed you and unfollowed you? Even if I get like a follow, I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me look at this profile like gone from my memory. She could be a number psycho online. You know, she could really care about who's following and unfollowing her. I'll say right now I have 277,000 Instagram followers and I'm following 772 people. Couldn't tell you. And I don't want that to change. So.

Yeah. Unless I'm catapulted. To Nick's point, too, you could meet people, but what are the odds you're following someone and then unfollowing them? But I do think people really do, like, to my point of saying the numbers thing, I do think people do, like, look at, you know, if they're like, oh, I hit 400 and then it's down to 399, like, they're going to recognize that. They're going to see that. Like, I do think it's, like, for people who don't have, when it's easy to see the number change, I do think people notice that. I think it's their get out of jail free card.

I think if she decides she doesn't like him or he's too short. Or she finds out he actually did it. Yeah. Okay. Wouldn't be creepy. But his whole line, could that not have been... Because as Alex was saying, they have so many conversations they don't include. The editors put that in specifically. Correct. So it could just be they're trying to create drama between the two. Also, for a season that is lacking...

Yeah. A lot of drama. A smoking gun can't be a photo in front of a Christmas tree holding a drink. I feel like that is. It was Chekhov's Instagram post. 85% of people on Instagram have a photo from a Christmas in front of a Christmas tree holding a drink. But the thing is, if he did follow her, it invalidates the whole process of you don't know what I look like because you clearly knew what I looked like and knew everything about me, maybe, based off of my social media.

Sure. But again, it's, it's Minneapolis. So like the show deciding to like do love is blind. Minneapolis is risking like people being familiar with each other. Again, it's a relatively small city. Yeah. There might be a couple million people there, but again, when they're casting, you know, people in their late twenties, early thirties, you know, they're, you're, you're meeting, you know, you're immediately narrowing it down. You're not going to know everyone, but they are, they're definitely running the risk. Like it's a smaller community. Yeah.

You know, and while they might not going to know people, but like, I would not be shocked to find that a lot of people got casted. They all have a lot of mutuals, you know, like the degrees of separation. There's probably not seven, you know, there's probably like one or two, you know, and there was a lot of after they got out of the pods. I, it wouldn't be shocking to me.

So, yeah, I do want to see what happens with that storyline come next episode. I also think Sarah and Ben could have an interesting, I don't know. I'm not completely sold on that. Right, because he has religious parents aren't accepting of like what Sarah's sister, like her sexuality. So that's where I'm kind of like, hmm.

I really like the storyline. I'll see where it goes. To me, I get it. We live in polarizing times. I think Sarah needs to be reminded that she talks a lot about, I just hope he's willing to learn. I just hope he's willing to learn. It's just like, I hope she's also willing to learn. She's talking about, oh, I'll get together with him as long as he's willing to learn what I believe in.

I think it's also can be important in a relationship to share similar core values with someone. For sure. And

And listen, I'm just saying, but if you go in just deciding like, I need this person to be completely aligned with me or else, and if they're willing to learn and like subscribe to everything I believe, then we can work out. And if not, we won't. That's pretty extreme. You know, like now and I, we don't agree with everything. We're not checking boxes and making sure that like, you believe this, you believe that. And if we don't believe, then we need to make sure we get on the same page. We just like, sometimes we have differences and we just choose to like not

get into it. I do also think she was not going to give him a second chance after he was like, listen, I'm not really like as educated in this whole stuff as you are until I think maybe it was Brittany or one of the other women was like, well, if he says he's willing to learn, then that's like, you know, he's

he's willing to learn. Maybe you should give him another shot. So it's like she was ready to like pull the plug just because he wasn't immediately like, hell yeah, we're on the same wavelength. He was just like, oh, I don't really, I'm not there quite yet. I haven't. That's a pretty extreme point of view. Like, and then my question to her is this like, well, what if,

he is willing to learn, but you get to a point where he's just like, not where you're at. I think that like non-negotiables, no matter what they sound like to anybody else, if that's something that you stick to or that's something that's important to you, you shouldn't have to sacrifice that either just because of an opportunity. Listen, at,

We now live in a time where more and more people are having a harder time connecting and getting together. Like we as human beings desire connection. We desire companionship, whether it's your family, a group of friends, whatever. We need connection. We desire romance. And I think we should embrace people like prioritizing things.

family and like prioritizing connections in front of you. If her and Ben were compatible on a lot of things that when it comes down to two people spending a lot of quality time together and getting along and communicating effectively about like day-to-day decisions and what they want for themselves, that's a shame that like some people would

say no to an otherwise great potential relationship with a lot of points of compatibility. Like there are people who otherwise would leave a relationship that would really work out. And there's a lot of love and connection there, but like convince themselves that this is a non-negotiable and they leave something that could otherwise be, have a lot of potential. Well, we shall see. Yeah. I guess we'll watch it. That's why, that's why I'm interested to see what happens with them. Where's the vacation at? Do we know? Somewhere in,

Cancun? Or did I make that up? Usually Mexico. Should we talk a little Beverly Hills housewives before we get to Chrishell? I don't know why we opened up in Georgia again. I mean, 10 episodes in Georgia. Did you catch the B-roll? We didn't talk about it last week where it's Garcelle and Kyle listening in on Sutton. That was so funny. This is how we know Kyle's a good actress because they're listening behind the door. She runs up the stairs and then she quickly walks out as if she was just walking down the stores naturally. She's like, oh my god, hey.

Yeah. That's that Halloween training. She knows how to hide from Michael Myers. I get that technically it's Sutton's house, but it sure seemed like an invasion of Beverly Hills Housewives into Reba's house. Kind of like gossiping and talking about Reba

while Reba was there. Felt a little... I said it from the start. I love Sutton's family, but every time they bring in the mothers, I'm like, do we need to? I'm like, let them rest, please. We were talking last week about when Bo's confronted to read or whatever and was talking about all that PK was allegedly scooping up lawyers. Well, I received a DM from a listener. Meredith Marks. I received a DM. Just a listener. And this listener informed me...

I don't know if they have a legal background, but it made sense. That apparently, and I don't know if this is like a nationwide thing or an LA thing or a state-to-state thing, but a common move divorcees will make is that apparently that if you, like when you are needing a lawyer, right? You might shop around for lawyers. So you would do like a little meeting, like five-minute meeting, 30-minute meeting, and kind of like talk about your case, you know, and it's...

if you do that like you've got dibs so to speak so if you go around town and book a bunch of like meetings with all the top lawyers and you get there quickly that means they can't represent your your spouse because they've had a meeting even if you don't hire them wow so you basically like you know like hey i'm getting divorced my wife and i are separated i'm not sure like i might need a lawyer so you book a bunch of meetings with all like the the top 10 law firms in beverly hills and then

and then Dorit comes in and they're like sorry we already met with your husband and even if PK hires none of them or one of them then like you know that's apparently apparently this is what this is what the I don't know that's accurate but it makes sense based on what Boze was saying I've heard the opposite but that doesn't make sense that like these meetings and just from experience with my parents and people that have parents that are divorced like these meetings like you pay for these meetings like it could be short or whatever but it costs to do that and then it's whoever's going to

be paying the most to have you on retainer for the divorce. Interesting. Because a lot of these lawyers also can mediate, I believe. Well, I once again, I'm waiting for the time I disagree with both. I want to be her friend. I wish Sutton would have said, I have been sitting in your living room for 45 minutes and then you're going to say something about my drinking? Like, yeah, I'm out of here.

Like, I wish she would have called out how long she'd been sitting there. Maybe she wasn't aware. Maybe that was like just editing, doing a great job. But waiting alone for 45 minutes in someone's house is

like at a party, at an event is crazy. Yeah, but would you just sit there and wait? Would you reach out to your friend? Hey, I'm down here or you want me to come up? Like clearly they're not the best of friends or even that close, but like their camera's there. There's people in the house. I'd go upstairs and knock on that door. You know, I just, it felt a little performative of Sutton to do what she did, but maybe...

If I walked into a house and it was a jump house with little kids I didn't know and I was like, who?

where am i there's no one in the house you do not see you're like hello hello no one's saying anything and so you just sit there on your phone like and then 45 minutes pass like i'm sorry and she comes down and ignores you i'd be like okay i mean yeah i thought everyone was off their rocker this episode except for bows like i mean to read well i don't know what was that whole moment when she's like i'm gonna keep this bag like what that was the craziest moment ever the montage of

photos on the center table when you first entered during a party when you're actively in the middle of a divorce. And then the bag thing, I was like, what is happening?

And I didn't even really agree with Dorit about the whole like bitch comment. Like it really felt like Dorit was instigating this whole thing. The whole bag thing was her instigating Sutton. I did think Sutton was a bit performative with like sitting there alone. But like clearly that is rude for Dorit to do. What else was she going to do? Go and chat with like the kids going down the inflatable slide? Like, no, she did what anyone would do when you walk somewhere and you're uncomfortable. You sit on your phone. That's exactly what she did. Well, then.

Fine. Dorit was off her rocker there. I still don't think anything warrants calling somebody a bitch in their house. No, you're right. But I think Sutton was wrong for that. And then it's just like...

Sun's like, I'm going to leave. It's like, okay, leave. Don't sit at her front door and have your posse come to console you and take up half the party so that when Bose comes and be like, y'all being rude. And they were being rude. If you, Sun, if you want to go, go. But like, you don't need to have Garcelle and

Yeah.

You sat in their foyer and was like, everybody, this is just really hard on me. This is not your party. Grab your posse. Go grab a drink down the street. I think Garcelle hates bows. I think Garcelle was used to kind of getting away with whatever she wanted to say and calling out Dorit for some of the stupid things she said. And Dorit was always on an island. And even if some of the things Dorit said were a little ignorant, I don't think it ever came from a place of malice. But I think Garcelle was in a position to really like,

give her the business anytime like dorit stepped in it and now she has bows to defend dorit and have her back and no you know bows is more than capable of like doesn't matter that she's new doesn't matter that she she can stand bows can have everyone disagree with her and she'll be calm cool and collected and it's driving garcelle fucking insane 100 and uh erica called it out

perfectly too. She was like, okay, so wait, we have a problem when Bose does this for Dorit, but you are always speaking for Sutton. It does make me so mad though that they don't say that stuff in person, like in the moment. I'm like, I get that you filmed this a couple months later. You're just like, put yourself back in that scenario. But it's like, you couldn't have been sitting there and be like, Garcelle, you speak for Sutton constantly. And like, now you have a problem. You know, like, I just wish sometimes they would say something

I imagine they're being reminded by producers of some of the hypocrisy their castmates have said. Oh, yeah, you're right. She does do that shit. And then Kyle.

Like when she was going at it with bows and like painting herself as some victim of a, like as bows. First of all, Kyle, it's your show basically. Right. You're the, you're the queen bee. You're the OG. Like you are this bright light of this ensemble cast. Bows is new. Doesn't really, you know, doesn't not friends with anyone. And you're accusing her.

of not welcoming you, Kyle, that's seems a bit out of touch. And then to bring up PK while sitting next to Dorit as evidence is to like Bose's mistake. Well, like you should have blocked him like that. She was on Mars. And then to look at Dorit and be like, oh, I'm talking to Bose. I'm not. She's like, you said my husband's name. Like what? Fuck. Like that was so that was that was wild behavior. That was she called Bose Judge Judy.

That was crazy. For calling you out twice? No, Boze just calls it like she sees it. And I love it when Boze, what did Boze say? She doesn't need to be led? Basically, she's not a follower. Yeah. Right? And that's so true. She's not. And it drives...

kyle and garcelle and and sutton crazy because like you know they don't want to think they want to accuse bows of like you know riding you know to read you know because like you know picking a different size when the truth is and we all see it as like bows truly just calls it like she sees it she's no bullshit she's got a great sense of like character she's

I mean, it's and she's given all of the women a fair shot and spent time with them individually. She just I think Dorit was the most forthcoming with like what's going on in her life and opening up and made it very easy for Bose to open up. But outside of that, she's given all of the other women a chance. And yet she doesn't hold grudges. No, not at all. That's what she said. She's like, I'm calling out what I see right in front of me because she doesn't have preconceived notions. She knows nothing about you women outside of what you're showing her.

I just like to see Garcelle, Kyle, and Sutton just kind of glitch because they just don't know what to do with someone who's so calm and capable of standing up to them. And they're kind of their bullshit and their kind of manipulation of the shit they do when things don't go their way is some of the best television on Beverly Hills Housewives I've watched. It's awesome. I just loved Garcelle being like, she's a little sensitive right now after the coffee and vodka. And I was like, Garcelle.

I love both of y'all. But also, wasn't Kyle the one who led that charge? Why aren't you mad at Kyle about that? 100%. Also, I haven't heard the word douche in I don't know how long. She took a second to say it too. I was like, that's the word we chose? Her brain froze and she was like, douche. Douche. Dorit was really on one though. I didn't really understand. She kind of did have a crazy...

crazy twitch in her eye this episode. I don't know. I just feel like this is why like Bose is like kind of protective of her is that it's just like we all do know that she's going through so much and she's just showing up every day and even seeing the state that her house was in and Kyle being like, oh, she's like OCD clean and the fact that

things are in boxes and it's messy that I'm like, she's got a lot going on in her plate, let alone raising her kids and trying to be okay. That it's like to have to come into this group with these women. It's nice to have somebody in your corner for once. I just wish to read instead of, and maybe, you know, she's not thinking with a clear head, she's going through it. And that all makes total sense. Like she definitely deserves grace, but I just wish she would have, instead of like trying to steal Sutton's handbag and acting like she had like rights to it, just be like, Hey, listen, last time I saw you, you really hurt my feelings because you really dismissed your,

like when I was just being vulnerable talking about like my terrible divorce and how it's affecting my fucking kids. And you just like, you didn't give a fuck. Just say that. She did say sorry in the moment. No, she didn't. Sun said, we have to go. Sorry. We have to go. Ha ha ha.

Great callback, Justin. That is true. Listen, I also will say I have pulled that joke before of being like, oh my God, that's a huge Chanel. Like, do you want me to take it off your hands and I can take it home? But the way that Dorit was like straight stone cold, would not release her grip on that bag was like, almost left her house with it, was crazy. And the awkwardness, everyone was just like,

It's also a $29,500 bag. So it's like, it's a $30,000 bag. The mini Kelly is $30,000. The mini Kelly that I'm looking at is the same one, $29,500 or else the pink one is $32,000. Even then I love that she's like, your insults and everything equate to. I gotta say that preview for next week with Sutton basically being like, I have more money than you.

It's not going to go over well. I just have an issue when people spend $30,000 on something that's kind of ugly. It's an investment. It's an investment. Art is subjective, Mary. I have guests. Are you mad at the people that bought the banana duct taped? No.

At the Sotheby's or do you understand that as art? Fashion is art to some people. I understand. I would not spend $30,000 on the banana. However, I do think it's funny. And so I'd love a good bit. I was going to say the banana I think is in the millions. Oh, yeah. See, a bit not worth the millions. I like I support spending money on a bit. But as far as and let's say if I had $30,000 to spend on a bag, I'll spend it on a bag. But...

that's the point. I know. Yeah. I mean, $300,000 a month. I know. I just saw that bag and I was like, it's kind of boring. We'll see what happens and how, what context it's aired in. But when you start like flexing your cash, I go Jennifer Tilly with it and make it either way. But like, same thing. It's just like, you're just being like, it's just a competition of who married smarter. Yeah. Mary's smarter, not harder. I guess. But like, you know,

You know, son's wealth does come from her husband. Well. What do you mean wealth? She helped make that money. She built his empire. And it's worth a half a million dollars a month? Look.

I'm not the forensic probably worth more. She got the short end of the stick with 300 grand a month. Well, listen, she has a right to say it's her money. She obviously has more money than all of us, but he's like farting out 300 grand a month. If you can just give that away a month, how much are you making? Yeah, he's fine. I mean, like I'm just saying, but it's not the flex. You know, you're you're trying to hurt someone's feelings.

Let's be clear. She was trying to hurt Dorit when saying this, you know. Meanwhile, again, while someone's going through divorce, which must be a very scary time, especially if you are someone in Dorit's position, because it's like, Sun doesn't have a care in the world. She's just a $30,000 bag. Like,

I don't know. Erica Jane doesn't live in the same house she used to. You know what I'm saying? That's a shift. We've been critical of Erica. But what she has reinvented herself and to adjust and to go from a mansion of opulence and wealth to like, it's, you know, say what you want and fine. Maybe we don't have sympathy for people with money or whatever. And she, you know, obviously Erica still has a very charmed life. But like that is an emotional shift and that is hard to do. And some people make some very terrible and drastic decisions when...

when they lose all their money or when their life drastically changed. God forbid, like people like take their own life, crazy shit like that when tragedy like that happens. And so for Dorit to be going through something like this and not really knowing what her future looks like and Sutton to be flexing her husband's cash in her face,

is a choice. We'll see how the scene airs. But I do wish Sutton and Dorit were like united on this front. I've like Sutton's experienced it before. It was nice to see Carl and Dorit have a moment at the end. That did feel weird though, didn't it? The way Dorit was answering. What did she say? She was like, what do you mean? We have to live. Yeah. She just kept repeating it in like a weird like. Yeah, that was weird. I just wish, I mean, Sutton's kind. I know you love her, but she has a lot of great qualities, but she can be a real big hypocrite. Aren't we all?

Some more than others. Some more than others. All right. Is it time to get to Chrishell? Let's do it. All right. Up next, your favorite Selling Sunset character, Chrishell Stouse, is with us also formerly of Traders. Joins us next to catch up with what's going on in her life, her time on Traders. Let's get to the vibes.

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Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit TNUSA.com. April 15th is just around the corner. Act now before the IRS acts first. But can we try not to get in trouble today, please? What's to get in trouble? Every time I leave here, there's some headline. You've been avoiding the show for a while. I know, because last time there were all these headlines and I was like, oh my God, what did I say? What did you say? I don't remember.

I was like, to be fair, they picked up like Nick's water fast. Is this your first time in the studio? In this one, yes. And you were in the one. I'm going to be on my best behavior. What did you say? I couldn't. I don't remember. I don't know, to be honest with you. I just remember being scared of doing your podcast for a while. You definitely were. I was like, you got to come on. You're like, for sure.

But I love when I run into you. It's not that. It was just, you know. No, I know. I know. Anyways, it doesn't matter. It's good to have you back, Rochelle. Hello. It's weird not having headphones on. I'm like, are we even rolling? Are we even here? Yeah, are we rolling? It's like a good of four's fault. We are rolling. Okay. How have you been? So good to have you back. I'm glad that you're no longer afraid to come on.

I'm sorry. No, it's good to be back. I love seeing you. It's just, you know, podcasts can be scary. Yeah, but I mean, not really. I don't know. They can be. But like, you know, you're a reality TV star. What was that? I read something. You posted it. Like, basically, who did that article? Was it a really nice piece? You posted it. Oh, Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair. This is the one I just did. Amazing. I think they courted you for basically all of Netflix reality TV success. Yeah.

I didn't pay them to say that, but it was very nice. I was like, Conjuro, you were the first. It was very sweet. What do you think is the recipe to your success? Yeah.

I don't think it, to be honest with you, it's by accident that it's all kind of worked out because I didn't pursue reality TV. So I've had people come up to me and be like, what should I do? But I don't think the same thing would work because I was always kind of fighting against it until I finally accepted it and then like kind of dived in. So because I thought Selling Sunset was going to be like a reality show about reality.

real estate and me like pursuing a new career. I fully thought it was a different show. So I think it worked because no one really knew what it was and it was completely something different. And so then we, you know, and now of course I know what it is, but yeah. Yeah.

Like, I don't know what the formula is. Get a bunch of unsuspecting, naive people together. I think they're talking about real estate, but didn't share pieces of your life. We talked about this the first time you came on the show when you were on Dance with the Stars. But like, and you probably, Chriselle and I were supposed to do a movie together. Oh no, I did not know that. No, we were, I was supposed to play her crazy...

boyfriend from the past or something. It was like a lifetime. You did this movie. Did you end up doing that movie? No, I didn't. You didn't. Like it was supposed to film in Buffalo, New York or something. No, wait, I did do that one. Did you do that one? Oh my gosh. Yes. Sorry. Yes, you're right. Um, yes, I forget the actor's name, but it's called staged killer and you can still watch it on Amazon. Really? Yes. Or Hulu or one of those. I think it's

I was, I got offered the role and I didn't know, this is long before Sailing Sunset. I was, it was like, so-and-so's why, you know, like, you know, I was like, oh, cool. She seems nice, you know, whatever. And then I just. You would have been the crazy person. Yeah, I was, I was going to be the bad, the. Are you fine doing that? It looks like a lot of fun. I just felt like maybe this wasn't like, it just didn't feel like it was for me. Yeah. You know. You really missed out on the blockbuster, Nick. Yeah.

I should go back. What's it called again? Stage Killer. Everyone's seen it. I'm kidding. Can I see? There's like a movie poster. Are you in the movie poster? I think so. Oh, look at that.

Who's the guy? That would have been you right there. I can see a little resemblance. I'm sure, you know, I feel like this is one of those, you know how like sometimes it's almost, it feels like it's rude in like the actor world to like talk about roles you turn down because it's somehow disrespectful to the person who ended up playing this role. So I don't want to disrespect. I don't think it was disrespectful. He was a lovely guy. Turns out we ended up being friends anyways. There you go. And now we're in the reality TV space.

I know. Do you think you'll ever act again? Yeah, actually. So I did a little cameo in a holiday movie this last holiday season for Netflix called Hot Frosty. It was very small. However... And as Chrishell Stiles? No, I was just playing like a mom with this cute little girl. We were walking into the diner. It was very quick. You blink, you miss it. However...

I've had some really great conversations since then, and we are working on doing something in a better, bigger capacity, which would be amazing. So we just have to get the schedules. Do you like the like the holiday Christmas genre? I do. I love holiday Christmas genre. I also love like horror. Okay. Yes.

So those, oddly enough, are so opposites, but I love both and I'm pursuing both. Oh, fun. So, yeah. Sometimes the stuff I have, like one that came across was right when we were in the thick of selling sunset, so I couldn't do it, but it would have been so fun. So it's just kind of trying to find the things that work with schedules, right? Yeah.

Speaking of Selling Sunset, where are we in the franchise? Are you guys filming or is there anything going on? Are you allowed to say anything? Yeah, we're filming season nine currently. It'll be out later this year. Yeah, I know this isn't a fun answer. Nine seasons? Man, that's crazy. Addicted. Does it come out more than once a year? Yeah.

Has it? No. I mean, it has in the past. It hasn't been. I mean, I haven't been doing this show for that long. It has in the past come out more than once a year. But I think we're kind of like on a. It switches up. I don't know. You're on a yearly basis now. Yes. So, yes. We're filming season nine. Currently, it will be out later this year. Last season, there was some toxicity going on in the group a little bit. Was that fair to say? That really set that one season apart from all the other. Yeah.

Are there any storylines that, again, I don't know what you can and cannot talk about, but is there reconciliation at all with any of the women or are there more fights? Where do you stand with everyone right now? I'm tired.

Because there was that whole, like, honestly, remember? It's Chelsea. No, no, no. Really, we have, actually, we have a mutual enemy. We do. Oh, my God. I mean, I'm joking when I say enemy. Enemy for wasting my goddamn motherfucking time. Oh, shit. Who? Your arch nemesis. Nicole? Yes. Thank you. She was supposed to come on, and it was like her first season on. Oh, yeah.

And like, I don't know, she was caught up in whatever drama you were going on. That she started, but yes, go ahead. Either way, we were... You didn't want to come on, so we were going to have Nicole, you know? And...

she flaked twice, like last minute. And it was like, it's not surprising to me because it was like all this high maintenance and she mentioned me back and forth and it was all this. And it was like, it was just, you know, it's because if you can't keep your story straight, imagine the worst place to go. Like the one thing I have to say, you're really good at, like if, if a story started to be convoluted, you would have been asking. Exactly.

So I actually, I wouldn't come on the show if you're lying. Exactly. And so I am sad she didn't come because it would have been very entertaining to watch you easily deconstruct the lies, but that's why she didn't show up. Okay. Is she on this season? Um,

A little bit. Okay. Do we have any new cast members? You know, with the show, I think they're always like trying to see what works and what doesn't. So it is sad for some people because they're like, oh my gosh, a new cast member. But that doesn't mean that on our show. They just like let people come in. They see how it works. So I never personally know, even though we filmed with some people, who's going to make the

right? Yeah. Do you think this will be the last season? I always think this is going to be the last season. When they call you up and you're like, really? Again? I'm like,

It's a huge honor. It's flattering. But yes, I'm not going to lie. Nine seasons is a lot for a Netflix show. Just for a reality show in general. Yeah. I'm not expecting an answer. It's even rude for asking. How much do y'all make on there? I mean, I'm curious. Yeah.

I mean, they're selling houses. I've never thought of that before. Oh, they don't get, I'll give you a little nugget of information. They don't get a cut of our commission when we sell houses. So when people are always like, you don't really sell houses, right? I'm like, no, I'm not saying everyone does. They can choose to or not. But I'm just saying it is amazing to be on a show about doing something where they actual, they can't get a cut of our commissions of the. It's some of your houses, I mean, like.

I know. So I'm just saying, why wouldn't you want to really use it for that, you know, purpose? Like, why would you purposely not want to make the most money you could while you're doing it? The only reason that question came to mind, because, well, one, most reality TV shows don't last nine seasons. And if they do, it's not with the same cast. You know, I think you've had, you guys have had some turnover, but a lot of, a lot of you remain the same. And so, like, that's just, you know, I have to be around for nine seasons. Yeah.

You know, like, you want me back or not? You know, like. I did. Yes. Hats off to you. Thank you. Thank you. Truly. I'm wearing better shoes than I was in here the first time I did your podcast. Are the bottoms red? Not today, but only because my foot is not narrow enough to pull those off. And what are those called again? Lutons.

Christian Louis Vuitton's not Louis Vuitton. I learned this, I think in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton. In the past month. Past month. Oh, okay. They kept going like, oh, the Louis Vuitton's. I,

I can understand that it is similar. And I remember... And now, what do they look like visually different, the spelling? L-O-U-B-I-T-A-N. And then it's Louis Vuitton, which is first and last name. Your wife won't take either. And does Louis Vuitton sell pumps? Yes. Yes. And what are the... Louis Vuitton's known for bags. Christian Louboutin, known for shoes. Okay. But Louis Vuitton does also carry shoes. And vice versa. And vice versa. And in case you didn't hear me, your wife will accept either.

Wow, that's great work right there. Well done. Traders. So much fun. So much fun. Except for your vibes. I know. I know. Your vibes.

Let's just get out of the way. I know. I agree. It's all fun and games. Who cares? Although some people watch this show, forget it's a game. They take it very seriously. And are you referring to your castmates or the fans? Well, I just think, you know, I get it. The show is so fun to watch, but I just mean like there is a fandom out there that takes it very, very seriously. But I do think, you know, in the moment when we're filming it,

Everyone is the same. We're taking it very seriously. You're hoping once you leave the castle, you can kind of have some fun with it because it is a game at the end of the day. But yes, I can look back at, you know, that was the worst moment of me on the traders was, you know, picking up the wrong vibes from Nikki and I to this moment. That was hilarious. I know. She was homesick.

So I picked up on that. But if I could change one thing, I do think that mortally hurt my confidence in the game going forward, because then I was so afraid to be wrong because I did want to speak up at one point. And I decided not to because it was that moment. The last roundtable I was at, I had already talked to a couple of people about Danielle. And of course, now watching the show, I'm like, I picked the worst people I could have

tried talking to about that. But at the roundtable, I was literally like, should I say something? Should I say something? Because it was all about Rob and Brittany. And I really didn't feel comfortable voting for either.

And I'm just kicking myself. Of course, afterwards, coulda, woulda, shoulda, but. Was Nikki, like, pissed? I don't think she was pissed. I think, you know, in the moment, she would obviously be hurt. And I completely get that. But then she said once she got out of the castle, she was so excited to see her son. And we're friends. You know, it's. You know, it's. I can see how it's easy. I mean, shit. Like, I'm a competitive person. I don't know if you are either. But, like, I've gotten mad losing Monopoly. So, like, I can imagine. Yeah.

you know, a friend voting you off. Again, it's still a game. Like you have to, you know, at the end of the day, like there are no teams. And I think that was the thing where it felt like,

Again, like at the time, if you put your brain where my brain was at the time. So Bob, the drag queen just got, you know, just left and was banished. And then I picked up that Nikki was admittedly homesick because, you know, she had a small boy at home at the time. So it's like that makes sense. But I tied the two together. Right. Bob's left. It must be so much harder for her to do it.

without him because they were so close. And then I picked up that. Then that's why when I saw her make that face. Anyway, let's just, that was a shitty play. I picked up on the wrong thing. But listen, there's a lot of times people do the same thing, but they don't get as much heat about it. I mean, like Dylan's been wrong. Exactly. But Dylan is like this hot, very likable guy. It's a lot easier to like, listen, it's just the way the world is.

Nikki did call in and she said that she wasn't upset with you. And she said that you called her as soon as you got out of the castle and apologized and whatnot. But she said very, very sweet things about you and your friendship. I love her. I love Nikki. I think she's such a badass. That was obviously, I will never hear the end of it. And happily, the first person to constantly say like, God, I messed that one up. It was hard for me to watch that. Where do you and Tom Sandoval stand today? Have you guys...

Mend any faces. We haven't. That's a feud I really love, to be honest. Yeah, I know. It does make for entertaining television. And is it real or are you guys just, you just gave him a hard time? I mean, to be honest with you, I think that in the game, it was real because I felt like he like tried to get me out of the castle from a personal, I had an off camera conversation with him because I wasn't sure if he knew about the connection or not. And then when we were on camera together,

And right as soon as we left, he started telling everyone I was a traitor. So I thought he used a moment where we're not supposed to talk about game. I told him that and he used it against me in the game. So he was kind of like, you were, you kind of went up to him and you were like, listen, just, I'm, I'm friends with Ariana. Like I just,

Yeah. Transparently. Just kind of let you know. We're not even like, I mean, I love her, but we're not, it's not like we're, you know, calling each other best friends or anything like that. It kind of came up in conversation. I mean, when I was on Special Forces with Tom, I, you know, I didn't know, I hadn't really met him. And I was like, hey, I know who you are. I have a show. I've talked a lot of shit. You know?

you know, cause I just, I didn't want to be like a wolf in sheep's clothing. I didn't want to like, you know, I kind of tried to explain, you know, we have a show. I didn't really know you, you know, I don't know you, but like, I look forward to getting to know you and yada, yada, but it's different, completely different show. Like you're supposed to unite and come together and, and,

And Trader's literally not supposed to trust anyone. And because I knew that I didn't actually do anything for him to have picked up on, it just felt like, oh, okay, he took this one second conversation I had off camera where the one thing is you can't speak game. So I thought, oh, I really didn't think that was going to factor into anything. But anyway. When you say off, like, so when you're talking off camera, you say the rules are

you can't really talk about what's going on in the show. Right. You can talk about like, I don't know. And at the time the traders hadn't even been, yeah. And the traders hadn't even been chosen yet. So it was a little more lax about, you know, you know, we're literally, I think, miking up or something. I don't even know. Like it wasn't a, it really wasn't supposed to be like a, something that,

I thought went any further than that. I thought it was more like, hey, like, I hope this isn't awkward because I wasn't sure if if he knew that or not. And then again. So long story short, in the castle, then I felt like he made it personal. So as soon as now we're out of the castle, it's like, you know, it is what it is. I don't really care. What I mean, did you get to know him at all? Yeah.

I don't when you say get to know him Tom only speaks about himself yeah so yes I heard him speak about himself a lot being in the same room with him okay

Was he always sweaty? In the castle, which was very cold. Yes. I was, we got a chance to interview Sam a couple weeks ago and I, I've kind of fell in love with him. You know, I don't know what, I think he's, you know, I said to him, I think everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are because like we all know him as like the ex of

you know, Brittany, this massive icon, we only knew what we thought or heard or assumed, you know, and I was really impressed by, you know, just who he was and, and, and chatting with him. But like, what was your opinion of, I mean, what, when you first met him, were you kind of like me where it's just like,

who is this guy? And then you find out who he is and you kind of wonder, you know, there's so many questions. Like, what was that like for you? Yeah, I think it was the same thing. I think that there was, you know, there's a group of girls, if you can tell from watching the show, like it really did feel like, you know, there's a lot of girls, girls in that castle. So we were a little standoffish with Sam at first, you know, because I was part of the free Britney movement. But that being said, you,

You also don't know like anything about what, you know, this is all just like headline stuff. You don't know what's real, what isn't. And then the, the, when I actually worked a challenge with him, we were moving our heads up and down the thing. He helped me in that moment and was just very lovely and was selfless and not, not trying to get his up there and just like was helping other people. So that was the first time I clocked like, Oh, that was really sweet. That was really lovely. Um, so he kind of kept to himself, but, um,

We didn't... You know, I think Aion was very funny before she left. She was, like, trying to get the tea and kept asking me questions. But...

Yeah. So I, it's such a shame she got voted off early. I know. I know. She's so funny, but yeah, I don't, I mean, it's not like we, you know, we spend a lot of time together outside of what it is. So you like what you learned, but he seemed, you know, love, very lovely, but also just kind of reserved. There was a, when, when Danielle killed you or exiled you or whatever, she said to you, no one was going to vote you off. It's basically saying like, everyone knows you're a faithful. Did,

Did you agree with her? And what do you think she meant by that? I'm really fascinated. And I think I, who did I ask? I think I asked Rob this too, because there seems to be some people where like everyone, including the traders, just like, yeah, they're just, we know they're a faithful.

Which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything? If you don't know who the traitors are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful? And I am curious what you think she meant by that and if you agreed. I understand the critique because I think, you know, going into it, your goal is to prove that you're a faithful, but you almost can't overdo it because then you'll be up for murder. So...

Again, I did it too late, but I should have implemented my plan a night before where I was going to let it leak that I actually was an actor and then act like I didn't want people to know that so that it kind of like made a couple of flags go up. Because basically, if you're seen as a full faithful, you're you know, you almost have to constantly be gauging your actions.

your game. So it's, it's just one of those things. Yes. I do think I was too faithful. I feel like everybody kind of knew that I was, and that's not a good thing in that game. I get the, I get the problem of almost being too faithful, but how did, cause like I could picture, you know, I don't know, like if I'm on that show with you, let's say I was on the season with you, right. I would have been like, if I'm thinking going in, who would, who would they pick to be

You could definitely, you would be on the top of my list. Really? Well, you're obviously a lovely, nice person, right? Easy to be around. People enjoy your company. You're popular. But you're smart. And you're very sophisticated. Well, that's very sweet. I don't think I came across that smart this season. They cut a couple of the times. Well, the vibes definitely screwed you, for sure. I'm like, come on, guys. Can you do this?

you leave that in? I was definitely saying Danielle's name. But I know you enough to know that you're smart. And I know that like you, but, but I guess, and I don't know what everyone else thought about you, but clearly whatever you did, you, you were like, everyone's like, yeah, well, she is definitely a faithful. And I'm just curious what, what made, what, what did you do to make everyone even so much so believe that you're almost too faithful? I think because in that very beginning, I had Tony and Tom kind of saying my name. And so from the start,

start, I really felt like out the gate I had to prove myself as a faithful. So I think what I did was now there was one player that was going around swearing on our grandkids. I didn't do that. I don't think that makes for great gameplay. They cut it out. But yeah,

Because it's like, yes, but I, but I did, you know, I think that's crazy, by the way, just give if you're, I think it's a couple things, but I think if it's your, you're an open person. And then also you're backing it up with like your real feelings, because sometimes people would give false feelings, but you're feeling like they're

not giving you the truth, even if they are faithful. Like there were times I can look back at conversations and be like, I can tell they were being guarded with me, but I just like tried not to have a guard up with anyone. I should have done a little more because I was a little too faithful.

Like during the, you're playing the game. You almost like, I feel like if you, if you're guarded and people are sensing that you're guarded, you can be a guarded faithful. But I, because I was so from the very beginning, trying to prove that I was a faithful, I went unguarded because I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get, I don't want to go first. And so I just went fully unguarded. And I think in doing that, it really made my case, but then it made it harder to last past a certain point.

Did you do any prep going into the show? Like, did you play a lot of... What's the game? Mafia? Yeah. Cassie was talking about. I did watch, like, the other seasons. I love the show. But other than that, I didn't really do any. You didn't do any, like, research or strategizing? Did Rob blow your mind when he was, like, just how calculated? I love Rob. I had just watched Deal or No Deal Island. I haven't seen his Survivor seasons. But I knew...

that he was going to be a player I didn't want to play against. Yeah. So I was like, listen, if we get to a certain point and I need to think about this harder, I know he's not someone you can trust. But right now...

I don't want to play against him. And I liked feeling like, you know, I was in, I don't know, like, to be honest with you, it feels like a little bit of a nerd, like playing with Rob, because I was like, felt like it was like fun to, I don't know. That's where I'm not a good gamer. I just wanted to play with him. Did you ever suspect he was a traitor? For sure. I mean, obviously you have to. But that last day when we were doing Bug Challenge, it was the longest we're out of the castle and we're together in that car, me, Sierra, Dolores, and Rob.

So everybody else is away from Rob. Imagine he's the kind of player, the closer proximity you are to him, the harder it would be to, you know, to not believe him. It just kind of felt like, oh, like none. Think about it. Sierra and Dolores, none of them voted for him that day. No. So I'm just saying it like with a little separation, I would have been able to be like, OK. I feel like if you can figure out who the traitors are.

and not tell anyone and get close to the traders, that's gotta be the move. - I know. - And don't tell the, like just keep it to yourself and make the traders feel like you believe in them because then they will see you like as an ally. - And I think to be honest with you, I was going to so use my real personality, which is I wanna believe Rob is a faithful and I really do like him.

And then I felt like, you know, if for any reason I end up at the end, of course, I will have to reevaluate this relationship. But I think right now, like, let's not look to let's not go pulling up every single surface. Let's just leave it. I don't know. So I really it's hard to say. It's not like I knew for sure. I didn't. But I thought, you know, he's.

Rob. So there's a possibility. And where did you shop before you went? Like, did you come fully ready to go? Do they provide anything? No, no. I just kind of like credit to the cast because you all like really look like you. I mean, Rob has a backward hat, but yeah.

They give you like a mood board. Really? Yeah. And then they... I just went shopping. Okay. So you did all of your styling yourself? Yes. Good for you. Even the red dress you went home with? Oh, actually, I take that back. So I brought a red... They said bring a red dress and something black. And so I brought a red dress, but I didn't know it was like... Obviously, I didn't know it was to go outside and do bugs in. And it was really cold that day. So they gave me the red dress because mine was like...

it's hard to explain but it was a crochet it was a very selling sunset red dress I was going to say bugs were going everywhere it was yes ready to go home or like really sad FOMO after you get

killed. When you're in it, you're sad. You know, it's the same with Dancing with the Stars. Like you're so in it. You're so like in this bubble. And then the second you're actually out of it, you're like, oh, okay, I can get back to my life. I want to have my phone. I had a dramatic death, which I loved. So it's so in the moment you really are sad, but then. Yeah, you did have a dramatic death. You're right about Dancing with the Stars too. That's even worse because if you

Like it's still on and it's live and you see them all performing. You're like, I was there last week. Yeah. But it's that same bubble feeling where it's like you are so immersed in it, where you really are just like thinking of everything you wish you'd done. And oh, my God, why didn't I bring that up? And anyway, but then cut to 24 hours later, you're like, oh, that's amazing. How's G?

So good. Actually, they're a little recovering from yesterday. They were a little sick, but good. Stuff going around. What was going through your mind when you turned around and saw Danielle and Carolyn? Did you suspect either? I know you said you kind of suspected Danielle earlier, but I did. Carolyn? Carolyn. Was Carolyn kind of a surprise for you? Complete surprise. I mean, real shock. Everyone seems to say that. Like, no one...

Yeah. Suspects her at all, which tells me like, I don't know. Or I think that she's actually playing like a really good game. Well, clearly, yeah. But for us, what was she doing? Like what? So I think because in the castle, um,

you know, she was coming across so vulnerable to the game. Like there was a couple of times where I remember once she said at the round table, like that she kind of spoke up that day that she had that thing with Danielle and like, wasn't feeling like, you know, people were listening to her. I went to find her after just to kind of, you know, give her a hug and make sure she was okay. And I couldn't find her. And then we're later in a holding thing before we go. And I just, you know, that's when we're not supposed to talk. And I was like, oh, I was looking for you. I hope you're okay. And then she just said like,

Like now I know she was a traitor and she was being pulled for interview. And I'm an idiot. But anyway, in the moment, I just wanted to make sure she was all right. And then she just said, oh, I told them I need breaks. Like I can't mentally.

take all of this like I need breaks so that sat in my head of like you know her being like a vulnerable player and it is a lot and now of course that was part of the game she was gaming me right in that moment that I was trying to make sure she was okay is there any like it is a game right but the game is to be deceitful in line like that was smart did it make does it make you feel any kind of way about

realizing these people so successfully lied to you? I think that it's the name of the game. We've signed up for it. Yes, can some gameplay be a little like eye-roll worthy? Like, you know, like personally, I think swearing on certain things or doing certain things. But that being said, I've also seen the gamers game on, you know, things like Survivor or whatever, that one famous storyline about his grandma. So it's like,

What's that? Oh, there's this famous survivor player that like told everyone about his grandma dying and it was all a lie. And so, and it was like a big Johnny Fairplay. That's his name. Or they do like big amulets to like swear that they have immunity. It's like, it's so in playing. You know, like I don't. I think the non-gamers don't respect it as much because it's like, oh my God, can someone check on those grandkids? Like, are they okay?

Yeah, yeah. To the gamers. And do they make... Is anyone doing shit like that? Swear on your kids. Like, are people out there telling you to do that? In the house, Danielle started that with a group of us. And it did kind of get her further in the game than... Because...

you know they're with the non-gamers she was basically saying would you swear on your kids yeah and she had us go around in a circle they of course this is all cut but um and i think to the non-gamers that stuck with us because it's like you know like a dolores and me you know and and so when it was like started to get too far from my brain dolores was one of the ones i talked to but that really you know dolores was like nobody would do that yeah you know and so anyway but but

But because they cut the whole storyline, they end up cutting my moments where I feel like I'm onto something because they cut the whole storyline. So when I really am talking to people about...

Danielle, that's the main thing we're talking about. So the whole thing is cut. Anyway. I'm hoping Dolores steps up for you. That's some evil shit. But I think it will come out at the reunion. Who knows what they'll cover, but I know Carolyn said as well, she's bringing it up. Just out of curiosity though, when Danielle did that, did people play along with her or people were like,

No, fuck that. I'm not doing that. We all did. It was a group of four of us. We all went around. We swore on what was the most important to us. And yeah. And it... You'll never see it because they cut it, but it did happen. Was this earlier in the game? Yeah. So...

With that, did your red flags go up too with the challenge that she did where she wasn't putting her own photo up for a shield? Yes. I was sitting next to Sierra. And actually, even in that episode, it says, okay, there's red flags. There are flags going up in the red. So that's...

They gave me one ounce. But yes, even Sierra and I had a moment where we're both like, what is going on right now? So from that moment and then the moment, you know, as I'm kind of consoling her when Derek doesn't come to breakfast, I'm like, you know, I'm from soap. So, you know, there was no tears and the fake acting. I was just like, oh, this doesn't seem right to me. So anyway.

I'm just mad. I can only be mad at myself because I really wanted to bring it up at that roundtable and I was just chicken. I think, you know, when you're not a gamer, you double question everything. And I yeah, I wasn't like a super bold player and it hinders you. You have to just go for it and you might get killed for it and you got to try it.

I don't know if the term's easier or harder to show up for. Selling Sunset or Traders? I think it's way easier to show up for Traders because it's a game. So even in these moments where I'm saying, but it's a conversation and some people may respect it and some people may not. But at the end of the day, everyone signed up for a game. And it's kind of like the content itself.

It's lighter. Yeah. The show is very... I'm assuming it's only on Sunday. You guys have to show up and figure out what the fuck. It's like people sometimes coming after your family in real life. Yeah. That's crazy. I'm sure the housewives would say the same thing, where it's like, you know, in the castle, it's like, well, all's fair and, you know, whatever. You might have murdered me, but when I see you next time, I'm not going to be mad about it. Yes. Like, we may rip each other. And no one's like...

accusing other people of like crazy rumors or anything like that where it's like oh okay they said this like let me try and think of something vlogger and they said yeah so traders is i like because it's like under the guise of like even the people that like i didn't have you know like when you said tom sandoval it's like if i see him it's like not like i i'm like oh my god i hate you i don't actually care that much you don't do you know yeah yeah yeah

I was like, Selling Sunset gets real personal. It has gotten very personal where it's like, oh, this person can't be in the room at the same time as this person. Is there anyone you can't be in the room with on Selling Sunset? With our current cast? No. Yay. And that's excluding Nicole. There's just been some shakeups. If you could nominate one of your Selling Sunset cast members to go on Traders, who would you recommend? I'm going to say Emma.

Um, no, actually, Emma would hate it because Emma would hate being away from home off her phone, like immersed in this thing. It would have to be somebody that's like down to kind of get in there. And there's a lot of things that aren't glamorous about the. No, Jason. Oh, my God. Absolutely not. The worst of the worst.

You don't think he'd be good at it? Because it's super unglamorous. Like the food you have to eat, the hours you have to film. Are you kidding me? He's a diva. Oh my God. He'd be like, call the helicopter. Where's my agent? With the food socks?

It's not great at times. It's British food. It's sometimes not great. I'm going to go with because you have to have a little bit of scrappiness. I'm going to go with Chelsea. I feel like Chelsea would be able to be really like good gaming, but also like she's got a good poker face. She's also unsuspecting and the British accent. But she yeah, I don't know if she'd be OK with leaving her kids, though.

It's hard because some people... It's more like game playing. I'm just curious who you think would do well. Yeah, I think...

I think that'd be my answer. Chelsea. I agree. Just because like some of the people like the non like anyone that like needs a pampered, you know, this and this and this. There's no hair and makeup. You have to film all day. All like crazy hours. No sleep. Like, yeah. No sleep. It's freezing. Like you can't. Yeah.

I mean, you sleep, but it's very like, especially even if you're a traitor, it's worse. But it's like, I mean, we would get home at like, I think one time it was like 1.30 in the morning. And then, you know, they're coming to pick you up at 8.30 in the morning. And you have to be ready. Like as a girl, you have to wake up early and get ready, you know. So it was just, and your brain is reeling. So it's also hard to fall asleep. Yeah.

Because you're just like, imagine those nights of what you watched. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I could see that. Going over like, who was that weird? Am I going to call them out tomorrow? Yeah. How do you just like. Who voted for that person? Wait, did he vote for her? You know what I mean? It's a lot. So I'm just saying. I would need to bring a lot of edibles. Are you going to do the show? You know, they asked season one and they've always like they checked in. I just like it's it's been too hard to do. Yeah. Yeah.

Someday I hope I get the opportunity. Yeah. Like, I think it would be a lot of fun. Yeah. And, like, you know, like, having friends who have gone out and had a good time. Yeah. I think someday, like, you know, we're doing so much here. Yeah. But, you know, someday I hope I get the chance. It's fun. It's like, you know, obviously, logistically, there are some elements to it that it's like, oh, you know, this isn't, you know, like, going to do, you know, late night talk show and everything is, like, pampered. No, no, no. You're an adult.

I did Special Forces, Chrishell. Oh, that's right. And then The Bachelor, which is even worse. Oh, you're going to be fine. I don't think I would find it to be that much of a change. I forgot about, how could I forget about Special Forces? Do you know who was in the castle talking about this nonstop? Tom. Tom Sandvall. It was either his band or that show. So actually, I know all about it. Was he really proud of it? Hmm?

I mean, I'm proud of that experience. Oh, no. Yeah. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying it was like you would literally walk in a room and you'd be talking about that show. And I would just be like, OK, I can't hear about this one. You're not going to see Tom Messant of all the extras. You just have so little time to talk about game. And you'd walk in a room and he's talking about his band or he's talking about Special Forces. And you're just like.

Oh my God. How's the real estate market out there? It's okay. It's getting better. The real, you know, the interest rates are high. It's a weird time because of the fires and everything. So I want to be positive about it, but I also have to be realistic. So it's, it's getting in a better place. Anything else you want to talk about? Was this hard? Easy? Did you have fun? Wait, is that it?

I was just, I don't know. I just was expecting, listen, that's great for me. What were you expecting? I don't know. I never know what to expect. And now I feel like we have to ask her more questions. So this season is still in sunset. No, I'm just kidding. You're in love. You're happy. Everything's great. I'm so in love. So happy. How was married life?

Married Life is good. So good. G has to turn their album in at the end of next week. So just been working like crazy long hours. But I am excited for the world to see, you know, the new songs. Maybe there was some really lovely ones in there. But also just like the best work they've ever done. Five years from now, what would be your dream come true? Like describe your life. And I want specifics. I'm like, I'm happy and healthy. Yeah.

Let's assume we're happy and healthy. You asked for this? Okay, five years from now. I don't know. See, why couldn't I shut my mouth? You're stuck here. Five years from now. I mean, I have to be open to different possibilities because I know that I will be with G and we'll be happy and we'll have to make whatever...

happens work but you know it's we've had some difficulties um we obviously are trying to have a family wonderful i didn't know that yes so you know it's just you know it's not the easiest so we've just you know so i don't know so i guess the reason why i'm not giving specifics is because in my position if it doesn't happen the way i want it to happen i don't want it to look like a failure in any way like well i'll get my mind around the new conceiving

It's always a very emotional time and scary time, regardless of who you are. And can I ask some questions around that? Sure. I may not answer them, but you can ask whatever you want. What's the process that you guys are going through? So basically, we went through the process of, you know, having a donor, you know, with eggs and all of that stuff. And it just didn't work out.

And for a few reasons. And so then going forward and figuring out, you know, what we have to do. It's a whole thing. But basically, like, a lot of things have to go right. And I am of a certain age, you guys. I don't know if you know this. I don't know. 23. Exactly. Oh, my God. What was that viral moment where that girl's, like, saying, I know myself to be 26? Exactly. Yeah.

I know that's their thing. So anyway, so anyway, without getting too in the weeds, it's just, it's a process. And I think that I'm trying to learn and stay open to, it may look different than what I'm, we're trying for. Correct.

Currently, because if time ends up being like, oh, too late, then we'll do something else. And we'll so something else will be the either way. It'll be perfect. So I yeah, I'm just the poster child for, you know, go with try it, but try and always embrace it and be happy with what you're given. So, well, I I

I'm excited for you both. Thank you. And I wish, luck seems like, I'm wishing you nothing but luck. No, listen, I'll take it. We need to, I'll take some luck. Ben, I certainly know that can be an emotional time. So, you know, just, you know, be there for each other, obviously. I'm sure, obviously, you guys are. But anything else? I appreciate that. No, now we're really good, Nick. I can go deeper. I mean, like, what's your trauma? Like,

Let's unpack it, Michelle. What's your trauma, Nick? Let's get a juicy segment of Nick. You're the one who was like, that's it? As if I didn't do my job. Oh, I'm sorry. I never meant to do that. But can we get a juicy moment from you? A juicy segment from you? What do you mean? What's your trauma? Let's unpack it.

Do you want me to leave? No. I liked when you guys went into your latest fight the other day. I thought that that was... You know, Natalie and I, we've been sharing more anecdotal stories about our love life. I was absolutely right, though. I know the internet completely disagreed with me. But I think it's healthy when you can get to a place where you're almost laughing about how ridiculous it is because it helps you in those moments then not take it so personally the next day. You're a great person to ask because I do feel like a lot of...

Mine and Natalie's discussion and more subsequently, the opinions of the internet, I feel like it was more gender-based. Okay. You know, guy job versus girl job. Yeah. And I feel like with you and G, who's doing what? Because you guys don't have to conform to some of the gender stereotypes that maybe your heterosexual relationships do. Yeah. Who's getting the water? And to be honest with you, we don't have...

So that's interesting you bring that up because it's not like one person takes on the, you know, the quote unquote guy's role and not like, because I'm a very nurturing person. So I love to take care of G. But then also like it switches because G can be that way for me. I think it depends on who has 100% and who doesn't. So if G's really tired, had a long day, I'm doing everything I can to like go overboard and try and nurture and everything. And then I come home from work and I'm like,

these crazy bitches or something. And she's like, okay, what can I get you? I think it's just realizing who has more to give at the time and switching roles. Okay, but if you're in the bed first...

If I was in the bed first, G would go get it for me. But I would ask very nicely. 100%. And yes. For the record, I want to say that there are several nights each week where I am in bed and then have to get out of bed to do whatever. So the in bed first rule does not apply to members of our family. Just wanted to stay true to the story. That's all.

I am traumatized by that. I'm bad at this because I saw and I could see both sides because I actually can understand if it was like, yeah, so I'm probably not a good person to be. Yeah, we're just a vessel for all relationships out there to feel seen. But I do think it was nice that you guys kind of went into it because this ends up being like what people end up, like the little things like that. Really? Yeah.

relatable. Chrishell, I always love seeing you. That was so lovely. Nice to have you. I just want this to be harmless for you so then, you know, next time when I'm like, come back and you're just like, oh. I know. You should be on

Twice a year. Oh, that's very sweet. What are we going to talk about? I don't know. You're a busy bee. You're a fascinating person. This is always good. We can also, are you watching any TV? What are you doing? Any like, are you, I haven't, you know what? I haven't been watching. Um, I'm normally like a bachelor bachelorette person. Are you doing severance at all? Yes. Oh my God. Where are you? Um, I'm caught up. You're caught up. Yeah.

I'm caught up. But yeah, I feel like at the last couple seasons, I fell behind and then I haven't caught up. Yeah.

So I think I, because I didn't see The Bachelorette or this Bachelor. No, there's no more Bachelorette. I think it was because I was filming The Traitors and then it was when the first Bachelorette aired is when we were filming that. And now I'm behind. So I'm just, I don't know. It's a good season. I will say. I can always catch up. It's actually more fun if you can just binge it all at once. So maybe I'll do that one. All right. But yeah, no, I have nothing to, unless you're going to do a Severance episode, Nick, I doubt.

Will you be watching White Lotus? Are you kidding? I love White Lotus. Did you watch the first episode? Yes. I thought the first episode was a little slow. Oh my God. Can we talk about how let down I am by the music? Yes. Wait, are you talking about the theme song? Yes. Yes.

How can you go from that song to that song? It's still in my head. What is the new song? No one knows. False Blah. No one knows. It's just like elevator music. I understand it's episode one. You got all these things mature. You got the story right. But I was like...

But you know what? I have to shut up. I know, but it's just how it works with every season because they're all new characters. So that part didn't bother me, but I was a little like, oh. Not all new. Oh, true. Got a couple. But think about it. Even season one, season two, they all start slow because you're trying to get to know who they are. But I feel like we usually start with like a dead body in a. There was a dead body. Oh, I guess we did. I guess we did in a body of water. I take that back. Yeah.

Yeah, I was there. What is the second floating dead body to start the season? Oh, come on. I think it's going to be great. But the reviews, I mean, everyone says this is they've they've hyped this up. Someone's seen the whole thing and already said that. No, but I don't know. Critics. I don't know. Someone. OK. The Internet.

you know, maybe it's Mike White himself, but like... But Parker Posey can do anything. I love Parker Posey. I love the people in the cast. Yes. I've just, you know, but I've heard this is like...

Yes. I'm going to get past the song. I feel like I'm going to love, I love the show. So we'll forgive. Yes. The music. So unmemorable for me. Well, stick with it. Cause I feel like it's just, I don't know why I'm saying it. Like we love you. Thanks for coming. Love you guys. Okay. Bye. All right. Well, thanks for listening and thank you to all our guests. Denise Richards, Alex from love is blind and Chrishell Stouse.

We love them all. We got a great week lined up for you next week, so be sure to tune in. Until then, have a great weekend. Bye.