E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
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And it was the best part of my day, putting my sweet little head on a Helix mattress. And I got some amazing sleep. And it was wonderful. And it was beautiful. And I felt revived. And I've been able to tackle the day. And I don't know if you've been noticing lately that I've been crushing life lately. And I got to, like, just, you know, humbly speaking. And I give most of that credit to the great sleep I get every night on my Helix mattress.

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vow Files Realtor Recap Edition. I hope everyone is having a happy Thursday, because we are. We have a lot to get into. It's another jam-packed episode. More of the wives of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives are with us this episode. Macy and Layla join us.

for another jam-packed interview these ladies are giving. We love them. We are grateful for their truth and honesty. I don't know what you all are thinking about this season so far. I mean, it's all out. I don't know. You know, I need to talk to Rob Mills. Yeah.

And what do you need to talk to Rob Mills about? I honestly, I genuinely want to ask him. I don't know if he gives a shit about my opinion. I did see, I saw like a, like some kind of TikTok. It was like from a journalist and they were like, please, whoever Hulu, like, please don't, don't release these all at once. I'm wondering if how fans, I honestly wish they would do like selfishly. I wish they would roll it out. Not all at once. It's like harder to cover.

I kind of like how Love is Blind does it. It's like three episodes at once or something. Yeah, like three acts. Give me the first third, like the setup of the season. Leave me on the edge of my seat. Make me sweat for the next week. Think about the press. But that's what some journalist was like, think about us. And I don't necessarily expect Rob Mills, who's in charge of

Hulu. I am curious how they decide that and what makes them decide that, you know, like Apple seems to do like a weekly drop with their like scripted shows and things like that. You know, Love is Blind on Netflix has, you know, they do the whole like batches. Yeah. They drop all of Mormon Wives all at once like last time. I think a lot of people probably binge. I feel like like a week, you know, like they dropped it.

thursday i feel like over the weekend people were kind of cranking it out but i would i would art with this journalist whoever i bet there are you know but it does give the opportunity for you know shows like ours and the media to to create more buzz right and i think create that excitement it get it allows people to focus on various storylines like honestly like

Season two is jam-packed with so many fucking storylines. Like, I think they lose out on fans, like, focusing on the whole, like, Chippendales of it all and, like, breaking that down, you know? Like we did on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, if you want to go back there, and we debate, you know, whether, you know, did Chase, did Demi exaggerate? Did Demi not exaggerate? Like, I don't know. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Verdicts? It's not clear. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of, it's harder to do. I think things fall through the cracks. Right. And I think it creates a pressure cooker. I don't know. I think it would perform a little bit better if they batched it out a little bit more. I think binging is dead. I think binging is dead.

I think it's so much. What does that mean? Well, I think it's like when you binge something, you watch it all at once and then you forget everything. But when you have like a weekly schedule or I mean, I love like a multi-episode premiere, you know, like give me like two or three episodes at the premiere and then once a week you have something to look forward to. Dude.

during your week yeah and then you can talk about it with your friends and it like creates commute way more like of an online community talking about it same page yeah no that's actually so true i was texting my with my friend about it and she was like the scene we're done and i go i haven't gotten there yet yeah exactly don't ruin it for me thank you right yeah so they should go three three three three three three three three one three three one like the finale yeah three three three one math pay attention how we cover it and then

Do what we do, everybody. Rob Mills. Sir. Well...

I hope they, I hope they, I'm going to try, I'm going to try to convince them. And if they'd make any changes, I'm going to take all the credit. As you should. To change how they do this season three, because I can tell you right now, I, we have had the opportunity to speak with many of the ladies and people who make the show and people who work for Hulu. And every single person has been,

been like season two is nothing guys this is this is amateur hour season three is an absolute clusterfuck of a season didn't they just start filming i think they're like almost done i think they're almost done oh my god they're working that's what i'm saying we ran into them at the hulu's get real event they were filming there we you know right we were kind of like doing a scene with them we didn't know we were like we were just saying hi the ladies and they're and we're like oh my god you guys are

There was a boom mic in front of us. Like, oh shit. We didn't sign any releases, so we will not be on it. Thank God. And then I hosted the... That's what I said. Thanks. Well, we didn't sign any releases, so I think.

And then I hosted the premiere. They did a panel last week. They were filming there. They were filming at Stagecoach. My understanding is that the reason they just keep filming is because they are constantly giving. There is this constantly internal drama with this group in their relationships, with their friendships. It is nonstop. And in every...

single person I've talked to, whether it's part of the cast or crew, they just can't shut up about just how fucking crazy season three is. And that's like off to the heels of season two. Wait, that's actually insane. I'm like, is there a possibility that we could get another season this year? Or like, would it be like the top of next year? I don't know. I believe. I don't know. I don't know for sure. I bet it would be like this fall. I believe it's this fall. I believe. Ooh.

Don't quote me on this. A spring season, a fall season. That's feeling on trend. It feels Mormon. But it feels very Mormon. Things are certainly subject to change. I don't know. But I hope if they do, I hope they batch it out a little bit. Yeah. Well, they're the gift that keeps on giving. It's like Love Island, but different. You know what I mean? It's like you're always going to be on my TV. And that makes me excited. They also know how to use a...

other platforms very well. And the way I feel like Bravo's kind of catching up to that, but the wives, they're making the talk talks. They're going on the podcast. They're ingratiating all of it into this one beautiful cataclysm. That's not what cataclysm means. I honestly don't even think that they could stop if they were forced to stop. If production was like, ladies, stop. I talked to one of the producers who needs a break.

They're tired. And the ladies were like, kind of need a break too. And they were like, listen, when you guys stop fighting, we'll take a break. So please. Stay home. Stop fighting. Turn off your phones and stay home. Literally. We do have a jam-packed episode. We've got Macy and Layla. Macy and Layla. We will be breaking down the Valley as well. If you haven't listened to episodes Going Deeper with Michelle...

I mean, also, I just want to say you're welcome, Valley, because I know your ratings have not been the best. There's been a lot of speculation. I saw that they may be getting the C word. Paused. Okay, the P word. The C word? Okay.

Alex Baskin did put all that to silence. He put that to bed. It's just insiders who could be anybody saying this. Well, what did Mr. Baskin say? He said there's no truth to any of this. But the ratings aren't great. They went up for the last episode, but I think episode three was like a series low. I can understand people not wanting to support Jax and Jesse's behavior.

Yeah. Well, if you haven't listened to Michelle's episode, I think this it's giving very like Dirty John. It's giving Lifetime married to a monster. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I like listening to Michelle talk about how she agreed with you.

So I don't think you're being, if you were being hyperbolic, she would have been like, well, I don't know if I'd go that far. But she was like, yeah, no. But this is a man who just goes out of his way to try to emotionally torture the mother of his child. And he has been doing this from the time being. And I don't, I'm not one to diagnose. I don't know. I'm not one to, it's not, I'm not diagnosed. It's not for you to say. It's not for me to say. But I don't,

I don't know if that's unemotionally abusive. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Because that sounds like fucking torture. And when someone just constantly gaslights and hangs things over your head and like that's that's gaslighting. I think we learned with that interview with Michelle, we learned a lot about what Michelle was going through in her day to day life that Jesse knew about was going on. And he it like didn't stop him from treating her the way he was treating her on national television, which says a lot for me.

that she had to take the things that Jesse was saying to her back to her family and be like, this is what I'm dealing with right now. And like, it's, there's, it's brutal. It's, it's a sad situation, which honestly made me, I was thinking this week, you know, I was, I asked Natalie's advice on something. What was that? Doesn't matter.

So we are not privy to that information. I'm like, what was it? No, but it kind of like, it was more, it just was more like, you know, it's kind of crazy when you marry someone. Hey, I love where this is going. I feel like it's going to go up. You think? I think so. We'll see. Hold on. I've got things. No, but like, it's one of those things you kind of take for granted.

that when you marry someone, depending on what you do for a living or what goes on in your life, but obviously, often people who get married have kids together. The stakes are high when it comes to kids. The hope is that you're with someone that like,

you can run by things that like you, you give a shit about their opinion that you can be like, Hey, what do you think about that? And then like, they say something, you go, okay, thank you. You know, like, no, they have your best interest. They have your best interest in matter that you respect their opinion and that, or even at a minimum, like, you know, listen, I'm, if I were a lawyer, I'm,

I'm not. And let's say, you know, maybe it might be harder for me to like ask Natalie about like legal advice or something, but at a minimum, just to be married to some. I feel like I've watched enough of the Karen retrial to be able to give you like sound advice. I object. But just like even at a minimum, just knowing that you have the ability to make your partner feel confident about the decisions they're making. Right.

For me, you know, I don't know. I ultimately ask Natalie questions, no pressure, that have like million dollar ramifications. Yeah. And I'm like, I feel pretty good about asking her opinion. Million dollar opinion. She clearly doesn't know the risk when she's answering these questions. I'm like, bug them!

He's like, all right. You say so. No, but like, it's, you know, I do feel lucky to have married someone who I really value her opinion. I have a good head on my shoulders. I know a thing or two. Well, I think you also, you know people. I think you read people pretty well in like,

you're instinctual when it comes to, you know, because I think a lot of decisions are based off about like, how are people going to respond to this? You know, how do you think this situation would play out? I don't know. I do feel very lucky to be married to someone whose opinion, you know, like, I don't know. You didn't really, you don't really know those things when before you, you know, and like you date them and yeah, you get married or whatever, but like, and then once you're in it, you have kids together and you're, you know, like after talking to someone like Michelle who,

everything changed when she got pregnant. Her words. Yeah. You know, that feeling and the knowing that so many people, like, again, if you're out there and if you relate to this, go listen to the Michelle episode. You will feel, it's a sad story. Should we just get into the valley? You might feel less alone. While on this topic? Yeah, sure. We can get into the valley. Janet really is the worst. Yeah. Yeah.

Justin, if you're out there, if you're listening, if you if you feel like we have you wrong, please come on. Sit down. Come on in. Come on down. I'm always down to scooch. Justin. Justin. Justin. Justin. Is Janet still a crowd favorite? All I said was last season she had a lot of fans.

Did she? She did. You can literally search on the internet. She had a lot of people loving her until the season finale where she was evil. Listen, there are a lot of Karens out there. And they need... Representation matters. Yeah, they need representation. That comment at the table with Nia and the rest of them when they're trying to be like, we're so sorry for the way we handled this. And Janet being like, and he's kind of similar to a guy I was married to who drugs and alcohol. It's kind of the same thing.

Huh? Wild. I don't even... I'm not... I'm certainly not Danny's biggest fan. But, like... Girl. And, yes, if he was in a closet doing pulls of tequila, that is weird. But you do not get to diagnose and compare them to someone you know to be an addict who's abusive. You don't get to make that leap. Right. Also, like...

and the way Danny explained it on Watch What Happens Live, he was like, I went into there to grab a White Claw. I see the handle of tequila right there. I'm like, man, sure, I'll do a shot. Still aggressive. But Janet made it so like dark and sneaky and shady and like, oh my God, he was like hiding from Nia and didn't want anyone to see him. And he was chugging and chugging and chugging and drank the whole handle. And it's all based off of like her having a problem with them being considered the happy, healthy couple.

100% it's jealousy. When she said, my husband has never once hidden a cupboard chugging tequila, making people uncomfortable. I like really wanted to like jump through the TV for Nia. I can't imagine how that would feel. Like you're not a friend, first of all. And second of all, they did the same thing again where Nia leaves the table and then they- Jasmine immediately like, I can't do the tears. Say that when she's crying. Like with friends like these. And she apologized. Yeah.

She apologized for talking about her behind her back. And then the second she leaves again, she does it all over again and talks about her behind her back. That pissed me off so much. Also, she's crying, like reliving some trauma from her childhood. She's not crying because like she wants you to feel sorry for her. It's like, guys, I was homeless with my mom and like this crazy shit happened and that crazy shit happened. And Jasmine being like, you can't do the tears. Honestly, like it's just really big.

I think Jasmine's trying too hard to get airtime. I kind of do too. Cause it was, it's just over performative and like mean and mean. It's very mean girly to the nicest person on the cast. Do we, do we take back what we said last week about Nia and Danny not being made for the show? I only say that because, well, I think we made good points.

I really honestly like I appreciate the representation of a couple that is like, hey, we're not here to like spill every fucking like thing. And if you don't want us fine, but like we're just not going to do that. We're not going to sell out. And I know this is an unpopular take.

And I appreciate her backstory about her very sad childhood. And good for her for making a life for herself and having all these incredible accomplishments in adulthood that started with her being fucking homeless and living out of a fucking car. And that's fucking...

That's starting literally from the bottom, you know, and like, God forbid, she wants to protect the things that matter. And she's not willing to sell out her family like so many of these cast members are for fucking airtime. Yeah. Which leads me to my next hot take, which I know will be unpopular. I kind of have no fucking empathy for Britney and I'm kind of over it. And I don't think she deserves the Ariana treatment.

What happened this episode that made you think that? It's just kind of accumulation. We, in case you guys haven't heard it, we are recapping on Vilefollows plus Vanderpump.

We are in season five right now. Six. Six, okay. And we, it's fucking brutal. I mean, it's just honestly going back and recapping it is like watching the valley all over again. I mean, like how many, just how many chances, like Jax is so fucking terrible to Brittany and she's being warned over and over every day. She's just making a choice. She's monetizing Jax's bad behavior. It does also feel like

And obviously this is just a show, but it feels like Jax treats her this way constantly. Like, I feel like a lot of people in these types of relationships will be like, when it's good, it is damn good. And the 10% that it's bad, it's bad. But like that 90% boy, and it feels like there's not even the 90%, you know, it's just like, it's just always bad. And even in that,

that fight that they were having at the beginning that carried on from last episode, it's like Zach made a really good point where he was like, how many times have you lied to protect Jax and you're coming at Nia? But regardless, Nia's fine to admit that her husband had too much to drink, but he's also tired. Two things can be true. You're upset because you think that they're not sharing the deepest, darkest, dirtiest secrets. But I'm like, not everybody has the relationship you have with Jax, right? Where it's constant trauma to

Also, it's like Brittany and Jax's relationship was built being on an extremely toxic television show together. And that is their relationship dynamic where I feel like Danny and Nia, they obviously had a life together before The Valley started. So they have something to protect. Whereas I think Brittany and Jax were so... That was their relationship. Yeah, it's more...

We've witnessed Brittany monetizing Jax's bad behavior for how many years now? No. So it's as hard for me to go in there- We both do it. Jax and her. Fine. But like, we hate Jax. Yeah. And it's just like, I don't know. Like-

I'm so honestly, if they got rid of Brittany and Jax from the Valley, if I could replace one couple, it would be Brittany and Jax because it just, um, it's not new. It's the same shit. There's nothing new to say. There's nothing new to recap. There's no arc. There's yeah. There's no growth. There's no arc. There's no like with Kristen. I tell you,

I texted her this the other day. I'm like, it's so lovely to see this version of you. You are such a good, loyal friend. And it really shows throughout this, even like her sitting at the table this episode and being like, if anyone has anything negative to say about Nia, like they're going to have to go through me first. It just really shows like the growth that crazy Kristen has had. And like, yeah, Jax and Brittany don't have that. It's like the still the same games they've been playing for the last 10 years. And like at

some point we've got to stop and clearly a divorce like isn't stopping any of it because the fact that he's in this mental institute and like

still rage text her, still blows her up and she has not blocked him is the craziest thing to me. It's like maybe he wants updates on this, like the nanny can give him updates on Cruz and send photos and be like, here's what he's doing today. You don't have to do that, Brittany. He does not deserve access to you anymore. But her being like, no, I can't help it. I'm obsessed with responding and reading up. It's like storyline. Yeah, it is. It's her storyline. Ooh, storyline. I just, it's hard to give a shit about her plight anymore.

And it's not going to change. Just kind of like do something different at this point. And honestly, I'm kind of uncomfortable watching him at this point. You know, it's like, take care of your kid. You know, I don't know. It's gotten a little dark. Luke shopping for engagement rings for Kristen. Yeah. That was sweet. Her being like, don't go over 10 grand or I'll chop you balls off. And then he still went over 10 grand. Yeah.

And a Kyle Chen cameo. So is that what it's all about? You guys give us rules to break? Because if we break them, does that prove our love? No, I just thought it was really cute that it was like something that he like said, but he was like, well, this one's 14. I feel like Kyle Chen was probably like, dude, I don't really have anything 10 grand in here, but I have this $14,000 ring that she would love. Like, I feel like that's how Kyle Chen works. But even his like numbers, he's like, this is like a 7.9 carat. And I was like, excuse me. Even Danny being like, isn't it Kyle?

Am I wrong? Did he get the Cs wrong? No. Isn't it color cut clarity? I don't think it's carrot. I actually don't think. Color cut clarity. I think it's color cut clarity. I think it is, actually. Oh, because carrot's spelled with a K. Either way. For gold, it's like 24 carats. Either way, I'm pretty sure he got it wrong. It's four Cs.

What are the three Cs? Colored, Clarity, and Carrot. Carrot is spelled with a C. Oh. But then why does it say 24K or 14K on your brains? Well, he didn't seem very confident, and he forgot color. I fucking knew that. Carrot with a C. Of course, that doesn't say much about me. You need to make your hair grow. Multiple times, yeah. I have no clue what you're talking about. Oh, C. Carrot for C refers to weight of gemstones, and carrot with a K refers to purity of gold. Gold. Gold.

Yeah, because it's like how many carrots is your goal? But yes, we got another Kyle Chan cameo. That man will be on every...

of the Vanderpump Rules family till the end. Good for him. Can we talk about his marriage counselor turned personal therapist? Oh my God. Scream into this pillow. If my therapist ever asked me to, I'd be like, that's the only solution you have to fix my problems. Giving some dumbass metaphor. I'm paying 200 bucks an hour

for this? I can do this at home. He said, water your flowers, not your poison ivy. That's what my mom told me to do when I was five. But it's like also, that was like his spin on the like, you have two wolves inside of you to feed. He's like, are you watering your flowers or your poison ivy? And I'm like, what? Girl,

I just want to know when he got Chris Daughtry to be a therapist. Honestly. That's where Chris Daughtry is. That's where he went. I've been wondering. I've been looking for him. Yeah. I mean, obviously probably not even a real therapist, but like he should be embarrassed of his client on TV. Where's the accountability? How do you, you know, hey, you're a bad husband. Or like, what was he saying about his triggers? It was like.

That's just projecting when he was like, you're lying, Jesse. You're like, and I'm not trying to downplay it. Like, yeah, I mean, Michelle cheated on Jesse. I don't know, but I,

Wouldn't you? Like a kiss? Sorry. A kiss? We do not know. I'm not... A kiss? Yeah, like, relax. There's just a lot of marriages out there that have dealt with some heavy shit. But the way that Jessie treats her is like as if she has had... Honestly, it's worse than that. Like...

It's like I tried to compare to like her, like having this whole secret family, but like he treats her worse than if she had a secret family. Yeah. He treats her like she literally killed someone in his family. Yeah.

It's bizarre. It's really bizarre. It's terrifying. And then it's like his evil plan is working. Aaron's telling Michelle this episode that if this continues on with Jesse, which I also think is fair, that he can't really do this anymore. And I'm like, if I were dealing with somebody that diabolical on a regular, and I can't hit this person, I can't do anything about it because it's the father of your child, what are we doing here? Because he's terrorizing them. He's the definition of a gaslighter. For all the people who have misused

and watered down the true meaning of the word gaslighter. Jesse Lally is here to save you because now you can call him a gaslighter and be right. Because that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to poke holes in her. He's trying to drive her crazy. He's trying to like... And make her look like she's the crazy one. His interviews, he's like trying to be like, ugh.

Michelle has all of this anger and resentment and I have no idea where it comes from because I'm just a good man trying to be a good dad. And it's a very difficult position for her to be in too, because it's either except the fact that he's, you know, going around and talking about her character. And then also like trying not to say anything about him because he is the father of her daughter and she will see this. And so it's a very tough spot to be in to like,

How do you navigate that? I mean, that's really tough. I have to say, if I am the daughter, I would love to see my mom talk some shit about my dad if he did this. If he was calling my mom those awful names, I would be like, mom, if you don't fight back, if you don't stand up for yourself, I would want to see that side of my mom. Not just one who's like, I'm not going to say anything to protect my daughter. I'd be like, speak up!

You know, call him a bitch. Literally call out him for having some gay man send him money. Do it. Well, Jesse, if you are listening and you object to anything, Michelle, or we said about you, please come on. He's not going to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I do. I'm going to be I'll be sick that day. But that's my day for Janet. It'll be a while. I'll handle it by myself. I got this, guys. You guys can have the day off. Yeah. Thank you. OK, I'll just be Nick in the room.

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Should we get into four, five, and six of Mormon wives? Yeah. And then we'll get to Layla and...

And Macy. A lot happened. What happened? I can't even keep up. Well, the big storylines, we finally get to see the women talk about, well, we also had, just in case you guys didn't know, in case you're living under a rock, we had Jesse and Michaela on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. We got into this story with Michaela and Jesse. Well, I obviously heard Jesse's point of view, who's front and center of this story. It's been tough. This season's been tough, I think, for Natalie and I. Going back and forth.

with like the story. Again, I just as an objective fan, I really think it's hypocritical for us to enjoy watching these shows without at least acknowledging, regardless if we like these people or not, or what we think of them as humans to like recognize that like they are doing this for our benefit. And like, you know, like I just there's something to be said about that. With the Mormon wives specifically, we've really gotten to know these women.

And I've enjoyed on an individual level getting to know all these women. Yeah. And now that we, you know, season one was great. It was heavy. But like compared to like season two, season two is a lot darker. Season one, we're talking about Fruity Pebbles. Yeah. And there's just like, and it was like, who's head of mom talk?

Yeah. Will it survive? Will mom talk survive? This is like real sides being chosen and real like friendships being broken and like. Yeah. These storylines about Demi going on and we're getting into a territory that's. It's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable because Demi's is, she's.

She's getting harder to defend as a fan. And as someone, as we've gotten to know personally, it's been a challenge. I was going to say, even that conversation on the contracts or like that Jesse sits on a hair empire. So like Demi says that she should step out of the show or something. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like after hearing Jesse talk about it on Tuesday, you know, and then watching it now in the episode, boy, Demi really, her versions of these events are very like...

watered down. Right. And the way she seems to justify, like, why do you deserve more money to me just because Jesse has found success outside of this show?

That you deem yourself both a fan favorite and therefore... That was wild. And then is making less money outside of MomTalk and the show that you think you're more entitled to more money. I mean, that's quite the choice. And Taylor read her to filth with that. She was just like, you would not be here if it's not for me. And I've never done that. Oh my God, when Layla tried to...

have Demi's back. She goes, when I'm done talking, when I'm done talking. And then she talks and she goes, all right, now go. Was...

That was awesome. Truly. Taylor's so badass. She loves her so much. They're all professionals, but she is like, she's like Leon the professional. Well, how many times do you hear people saying, I'm so bad at conflict. I just don't like it. I'm so bad at conflict. Like she is the I'm bad at conflict hero. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, let me show you how to do it. Here's the playbook. When I'm done talking. All right, now go. And then the fact that she like had like the awareness to didn't be like, no, I promised you could talk after I got talking. And now the floor is yours.

And then Layla was just speechless. Just like... I will say, at Macy's book reveal dinner, whatever, Demi's face the whole time. Maybe that's editing, you know? No, because they were talking at the same time and her face was just like, I could not be happy for you if I tried. It was, yeah. She was definitely like, it seemed not happy for Macy at all. Which...

You know, I guess. And also, I mean, not trying to comfort Demi, but it was like also watching these three episodes, her coming for Jen so hard while Jen's going through all of this tough time. Like, I'm just like, she's trying to repair her relationship with Zach.

She's finding out she's pregnant in the midst of it all. She's not coming on this trip. And it's true. Defend to me. I don't think any of the women are aware of what's really going on. Yeah. Whitney's the one that tells them. And obviously they all have issues with Whitney. And Whitney doesn't even really tell them in a way that's like makes it feel important. Yeah. Whitney's like Jen Jen's sick.

She's super sick on the bus. She says that to all of them. And then they get to the house and Macy's like, so question of the weekend, like where's Jen? She's like, so she's pregnant and sick. It's like, well, there's actually a lot more to that if you wanted to share. But I think that's what Jen wanted though. She told Whitney, because Whitney was like, what do you want me to, I actually thought Whitney was being a really good friend.

friend like she stayed with Jen she was like I don't feel comfortable leaving until Zach gets back she helped clean her house a little bit and then she was like what do you want me to say to the women and then Jen told her just say that I'm sick and pregnant totally but then she sat there and allowed the women to kind of like come at her

as she's pregnant and being like, oh my God, a band-aid baby, a band-aid baby. And she could have been like, all right, guys, a little too far. I don't feel like y'all know enough of the scenario to talk about Jen this way. Maybe have a conversation with her. That is a crazy thing to say. The band-aid baby. About a child, first of all, someone's existence. Right. You're immediately...

saying that they're not even wanting a negative connotation on their birth yeah that's a crazy thing to say i'll be honest that was like maybe it's just in the season of life i'm in but like that jen finding out she was pregnant and that reaction was definitely a tough watch yeah for me personally as someone who has been very much vocal about how much i would love to have a baby and maybe it was just the season of life i'm in where it was very emotional for me and maybe once i'm

little bit further away from this, I would be able to step back and see, you know, Jen as obviously her own person who goes through her own things. And she's not in a great place in her marriage. And she doesn't feel like she's great mentally to be welcoming a baby. And like the prepartum depression, postpartum depression, like all that's real. Like that's a real conversation. Obviously, jumping to Summer House, like I understand Amanda being like,

I'm like just got my mental health okay I'm not looking to like that's a it's a hormone roller coaster so I understand Jen's feelings it definitely was like a hard watch for me I mean it's but just I just wish like these women were more understanding like this is a baby at the end of the day and she's pregnant and they've all had children yeah they all know what it's like and for

All of them, including Whitney, because she didn't have Jen's back in that moment to sit there and kind of like not be happy for her in the slightest, but like kind of talk shit was yucky to see. Not kind of. And then, you know, Whitney seemingly on her like redemption to her. And then you come to find out it's all calculated. She's just deliberately being quiet. And then.

trying to get other women to fight. Jessie and Demi. For her to be so honest about that, though, too, is kind of awesome to see. As a fan of the show. Yeah.

she's one of my favorites i'm kind of a whitney stan you guys you guys might have noticed that whitney is the only one of the member of mom talk who has not been on this show it is not without a constant communication from her team she's a prickly one first uh we invited around with the rest of the ladies last season i don't know it was a lot of back and forth i don't know we finally were just like we're not gonna do it we moved on it was just too much heavy lifting for her demands and

And then she wanted a solo appearance of which we weren't willing to give her. And then she had, she, she's the only one in the group who demanded she see all the episodes so that she could talk about them. And we were just like, you're just too much work. So we, we moved on. Maybe we'll have her on the future. I'm still a fan. Still just love the, I'm afraid of anyone who slaps a table when arguing, you know, like that conversation with Michaela where Michaela was calm as can be.

And she's like, listen, you don't hold yourself accountable. And she slaps the table and raises her voice. Sisterhood. Sisterhood. I'm out. Sisterhood. That was so funny. Sisterhood. I really think that Michaela has found her voice through hating Whitney. Michaela is my favorite. She's so good. I had a feeling about her last season. Loved her in between seasons. This season, she is shining.

She's just like saying it like it is. She's just like, I can be in a group setting with you. I have no interest in a friendship with you. Yeah. And like Whitney cannot handle it. She's like, why won't you just be fake and say you'll be my friend? She's like, we're co-workers and that's fine. And that's all we're ever going to be. I mean, she hates her so much. So much. And it is petty. Yeah. The round table with the gold box. And she's just like, will you ever be friends with Whitney? No. No.

What was her response when she goes, it's not doing it for me? When Whitney, what did Whitney say or do? Or Whitney asked a question and Michaela goes. No, no, no, no. It was the twerking competition on the bus where Whitney's like, I'm going to win. And she's like, all right, go. And she starts twerking. And Michaela goes, it's not doing it for me. No.

I love a hater. Not that putting Mikayla's twerk in slow-mo. I was like, period. Demi has a lot of thoughts about being the fan favorite, but I think she might be usurped this season by Mikayla. Can I also give Zach

his flowers for a second. Oh, I was going to ask. He's starting to win me over. The conversation, even though I didn't love his reaction to the whole Chippendales thing, then...

seeing how he like came to the guys and was just like, I just want to have a respectful conversation and just try to like, let you know that this is how I feel. I look up to you. Like, he's just so well articulated and like, I don't know. I just don't know why. Like, I thought he was such a monster last season and this season. I was going to ask, do we, as crazy as it sounds, do we think that Zach is like, he seems like he is trying to do better. Yeah. And he seems like he is acknowledging his mistakes and

And he is trying to show up as a husband for his wife, for his kids. He quit medical school. You can say what you want that maybe he's, Oh, because his wife's making money. Fine. But how many people out there like complain that their, their husbands emasculated by their wife's success. And again, maybe it's all an act. I don't know. He seems like he is trying to be better. I I'm kind of like,

He's handling himself so well, too, because every time he tries to sit down and have an honest conversation with somebody, someone's like, well, your wife didn't communicate to you. Well, your wife is lying to you. And he's like, OK, well, I have to trust what my wife says. Yeah, always has her back. Yeah, he's not sitting here being like, OK, well, if you say so, then fuck her. Like he's like, all right, well, that's something that I have to communicate with my wife then, because that's not what I was being what I was told. Yeah, I kind of I'm I.

I have kind of no notes for Zach this season. I've been pretty impressed and I give him a lot of credit for the growth we're seeing. I mean, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, and I definitely like, if I'm Zach, I also am like,

Not a fan of the Chippendales dance. Like, I don't need my, like, husbands that we're not even that close with, like, half naked dancing on you in the middle of a party of a bunch of people we don't know. To call it exposure therapy. Yeah, like, I'm good. Just let him in on the joke. Like, yeah, it doesn't have to be a surprise. That's not a surprise. That's not a surprise.

That's an ambush. Yeah. In the flashback, like Demi and Jesse or whoever was telling Jen about the plan, like it definitely was different than how it ended up being. Like they literally had Jen sitting directly next to Zach and then they were like grinding on her. And I agree with Zach when he says that what they did was, in my opinion, worse than what happened with Chad and Demi. Chase.

Chase, sorry. Same thing to me. Chase and to me. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, I... Chase...

He might have grazed her. He might have even given a little pat. I think it was like a hip pat. Yeah, like a hip pat. That like definitely was uncalled for. It was inappropriate. It was definitely inappropriate. Yeah. It was a ha-ha. Like, ha-ha, go check your man. Where's your husband? He was trying to be like funny and cute and swaggy and it wasn't any of the above. He didn't have the swag. And honestly, if I am Demi, I am also being like, let me get my fucking husband on your ass, bitch. So I see where she's coming from in that aspect because I...

If it was like one of the other husbands, I'd be like, okay, chill. But it's like an ex-husband causing drama, fighting with, like yelling at Taylor in the middle of this party. Like this man's gross. So the fact that she called her husband to like,

come get them I wasn't too mad about but I do like yeah Zach has a great point of being like how dare you like how is that different you didn't have my consent for that shit you didn't have Jen's consent for that shit like the only difference is that you made me watch yeah yeah and also I will say if I were Jen would I have come home from that hair appointment being like

Zach, the girls told me they have some idea at Halloween for some Chippendales thing. I don't know what it is. I don't know the extent. They mentioned some sort of Chippendales dancer and Brett and Jordan and Jordan like dancing or something. I don't know. Yeah, my read on Jen is, you know, she's as flawed as any other human. And maybe she fibs here or there. But it seems to be the most

Unmalicious. No ill intent. And I kind of feel... Demolish. She's an embellisher. And I feel like Jessie and Demi, when it relates to their rivalry with Jen, I feel like they, at least in this moment, in this season, are more confident in their voice, are more confident in themselves. I think they see a less confident Demi

a wounded... And it kind of feels a little icky the way they're kind of... Kicking her when she's down. Yeah. And, like, is she not totally upfront or honest? I don't know. But, like I said, Jen did find her voice when bringing up Vanderpump Villa. Ooh, yes, she did. And we'll... You know, we do have the Macy and Layla interview coming up. They do get into... Not necessarily the details of what happened, but they... It's... They...

better articulate their beliefs i guess on on what might come out in episode three or you know a lot of the conversations in this episode like this accusation that brett was unfaithful to to me and this is just some sort of rumor that came out of nowhere this is her macy's confession these uh sinners anonymous it's reality gold box is

the anonymous tips though is this like an instagram thing or was this last season remember this is the gold box it's a producer going on reddit and putting in rumors in the fucking box this is macy's sunday sinners or sinners for sundays they had it last season when taylor the dakota rumor came from a sunday center thing yeah

Well, that seems like a clever way of inserting rumors into the TV show. I'll also say, I didn't love the lunch with the three of them with Taylor, Macy, and Michaela, where Macy's like, oh, I got this confession on my Sinner Sundays. And Taylor goes, oh, is it about me? And she goes, well, there's a lot that are always about you. Like, that was unnecessary. But these guys are flying, like strays are flying on a regular. Yeah.

I don't know if I'd say that to my friend. Like, sure, let me give you some anxiety. Yeah, I get a shit ton of like confessions about your life in my sinner Sunday. Do you remember how we ended last season? Yeah. That's what's so crazy about this season is that like we still have Taylor and Dakota and that whole relationship to try to unpack and their crazy lives. And it's kind of like a B storyline. At this point, yeah, this new batch of episodes, I was just like, oh, who gives a shit about Sunday dinner? Yeah. I don't know.

What about the skinny dipping? Did y'all? Hot. Oh my God. For sure. Let the record be said that Justin said that, not me. They weren't really skinny dipping. They had underwear on. Demi was all about it. Of course, Mary's like, why didn't they take their underwear?

It definitely wasn't skinny dipping. It was like free boobies. I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing. I was like, they are wearing underwear. That's not skinny dipping. No. Yeah, have you seen an episode of Vanderpump Rules on Stassi's birthday? That is sexist skinny dipping because that's just called a swimsuit for men. Yeah. Yeah. It's a speedo. Equality. I mean, you can't do it at Cannes, but you can do it on The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. That's true. Honestly, and like the conversation with Demi and Brett where...

she's like oh yeah we're all about to go skinny dipping he's like are they still filming she's like yeah we're still filming he's like then no you don't she was like all right well i'm gonna finish washing washing my face love you good night she's like i'm not going skinny and then the girls are like i cannot believe you would let your husband tell you whether you can go skinny dipping on national television or not yeah i love how like anytime a husband has an opinion he's controlling right right which like maybe he just made demi realize that there will be like

people, his children. Maybe his kids. No, no. Maybe like men behind the cameras holding the boom boom speakers that may be like, we don't need them to see your boobs. I don't know. And the rest of America when it airs. And the editors when they're putting a blur over your boobs. Maybe they don't need to see them either. Like, that's...

Valid. Yeah. The things we forget when watching TV. Truly. Honestly, Brett seems like a big protector. I mean, that's honestly what every time they got naked in Vanderpump, I was like, oh my, these editors, the cameramen, they're just, I'm just coochies right there. Early seasons of Summer House, they're like, they would literally, I'd be like, I've seen Kyle's ass more than I've seen my own. Yeah.

How often do you look at your own ass? Not as much, I guess, because I was jared every time. I was like, oh my God. That's what it looks like. That's not mine. That's what that is. Well, speaking of Demi and Brett, Macy and Layla have a lot of thoughts and opinions on their relationship and so much more. And they are coming up next.

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Thank you. Excited to be here. So good to see you both. Both of you look great. Thank you. Congratulations on the pregnancy. Thank you so much. Well, first, let's start. How are you feeling? I'm feeling pretty good, actually. I feel like the older you get, though, the harder pregnancy is. Because I'm like, why does this one feel harder than the other two? But we're also, like, filming a show. So I'm like, maybe that's why we're doing a lot. But overall, everything's great. Let's just stay on the pregnancy for now. I mean, obviously, I am curious. Because just when Natalie got pregnant, like, all I cared about, like, was, like, it's my

my only job is to protect her peace. Like, just, you know, no, you know, I, everyone's, you know, if, if you, if you brought in bad energy, I was like, get the fuck out. Like I didn't give a fuck. Yeah. I know. Obviously doing what you ladies do. Uh,

Which I always say this, like, I'm so appreciative of you ladies of the show. It's like, you know, we love reality TV and TV fan. This is, you know, one of the best ones on TV, but it takes a lot out of you, out of you, out of you women. You are so generous with your vulnerability, with your lives opening up about so many personal things. But obviously that brings a lot of stress.

And how do you manage that with the pregnancy? So I feel like, so season two, I don't know how much it shows, but I know you guys have seen it. We haven't even seen it. But from, I was doing IVF during it and I, my whole mood, my mantra for season two is like, I'm going to be at peace because like for me to have this work and like,

become a successful pregnancy, you have to be so relaxed and stress-free during IVF. So I feel like I was... I mean, I haven't seen it, but I feel like I was fairly chill because I was really just trying to protect my peace all season. And my husband was very aware of that. So we were very like...

in a peaceful environment. Now that I'm pregnant, I'm not at peace, I would say. I feel like a lot more fiery. Layla knows. I've already yelled at her once. Yeah, she scares me a little bit. Did you do IVF for all of your babies? Not my first, but it was a different dad. So we have a different situation. It's kind of personal, so we never get too into it because it's personal to Jacob. So we did my last donor was IVF and then this baby's IVF. Gotcha. And we have one more embryo in the freezer, so I feel like I can't really leave a soldier behind. You cannot.

So I feel like we'll probably have at least one more because I feel we're just leaving. If it was like three in there, I'd be like, it's fine. But like, it's just one. So I feel like bad. Personal question. Yeah. Natalie and I have opened up about miscarriages that she experienced. And, you know, that's just a lot. And when you're when you're going through that back to back miscarriages, all of a sudden your doctor starts saying things like, well, there's always IVF. And obviously we're very privileged if that is something that we had to counteract.

on we were certainly in a position to take advantage of and we feel very lucky but certainly like Natalie her you know me I don't know much about it

Yeah. Nally was very quickly like, I would, I really hope I don't have to. Yes. But like for someone who has done it, what can you offer or advice just for anyone who is considering it, you know, just even speaking to Nally, if that's something that we, again, I feel very fortunate to be in a position to take advantage of it if it's something that is an option for us. But, you know, yeah. What, what can you offer to the people listening that if, if, if that is something that they have to use because they,

traditional methods aren't working for them. What can you say to offer them support, peace, what to look out for, any type of advice? I mean, I would say I went into it really blind when I first did it because I had a son from a previous relationship. And so for me, I remember thinking when I got pregnant at 19, I was like, oh my gosh, the worst thing ever happened. But I was like, well, at least I'll never be someone who has to do IVF because then of course, I think I jinxed myself. I don't know what happened. But anyways, I

I think for me, the process was, I don't want to like scare anyone, but it was harder than I thought it was going to be going into it. I thought the worst part was like, oh, the shots and the needles because I don't like shots and needles. Like it makes me squeamish. But for me, I think it's more the mental aspect because the hormones are like so intense. And so whenever you do, at least for me, because I've done two rounds now of the egg retrieval, that to me is the worst part because I think that it's,

it's more just the mental aspects. Like your hormones are so out of whack that I feel like they'd be like, I'd go to an appointment. Like you have 12 follicles. I'm like, 12? I'm like, I thought I had that. Like I'd like freak out, you know? But it's like, you get really scared because you just don't know what your results are going to be. And I think because the first time I did IVF, I was expecting to get like 20 eggs. And then I came out of surgery and they're like, you got nine. And I was like, how? Because I'm like, I don't know. I've not been told I have any issues. So like,

I mean, not that it matters, but still. And so then the second time we actually got 17, but I was freaking out because they're like, you have 12 follicles. I'm like, that means I should make 12 eggs. And like, it's just like a whole process. And I think it's because women go through this and it's like,

such a financial burden as well. And so I think that's what makes it so intense. Like if this was free and it was no problem, it's like, okay, like we could just do it again. But besides that, it's also like the hormones and it's like, obviously not like a super healthy process because you're like changing your body and like you put your body almost into menopause at certain parts of the journey. And like your whole, it just, it really screws with your brain is what I will say. But besides all the negative, I will say, obviously like the

the most amazing miracles come from it. Like I have my daughter because of IVF and then I have this baby and one more embryo. It's like, I'm so incredibly grateful because it gives people a chance to have kids who maybe either couldn't, or maybe they have genetic issues. Like there's so many reasons why people do it. And so I think it's just an amazing thing. So for me, despite all the negatives, it is like a hundred percent worth it. And I'm so, so like grateful for like the process. And is there, I mean, I'm sure there was a lot, but

Is there one thing that you can share that Jacob did throughout that process that made you feel super supported? I think like for him, for me, it's like because if I just turn to a bitch, if he's just nice to me, I'm like, OK, thank you. And I think I'll know it even now being pregnant. I'm like, I know I'm being a bitch. So thank you for like allowing me to do that and like not ever being snappy with me. Yeah.

So for me, it's just like feeling just like loved and supported. Like I feel like Jacob's really good at being like, let's go get your favorite drink. Like let me get you breakfast. Like doing things without asking for me is the biggest thing. Like before he left on this trip here, he woke me up with like breakfast in bed. So like for me, it's like little things like that where I'm like, that makes me feel so like appreciated and like loved. And like now I don't have to like make breakfast or think about like things that make your life easier. I think in general, like little things that are thoughtful, like getting my favorite drink. I'm like, yes, that made my day so much better. Like...

It's the little things, truly. Layla, are those things that Cameron didn't ever do? No, he was very love-bomb-y at the beginning of our relationship. Came in very hot and strong.

I think he said, I love you to me two weeks into seeing each other. Just very from the get-go, just like, I'm going to like overload you with like affection and gifts and things like that. And that's something that I definitely needed at that point in my life. I was very insecure, just kind of like going through a lot mentally. So he was exactly what like I needed. And I feel like he knew exactly what to do to kind of like snatch me and get me in. So, yeah. So obviously a big part of the season was you opening up about...

orgasms or lack thereof. And all jokes aside, listen, you know, this is a, again, one

one of my favorite reality TV shows of all time and certainly one of the best ones on TV today because it's not only funny and dramatic, but you women do talk about like very serious and very relatable issues that women across this country in the world go through. And one of them is just like often is the case and like in bed, like women can be forgotten about when it comes to

pleasure. And then obviously you, you know, the Mormon religion can play a role. What is this show brought you in terms of opening your eyes in terms of like what you are entitled to when it comes to enjoying sex and intimacy and things like that? I think it's definitely a super taboo subject, especially like within our church. I feel like you're taught your whole entire life, do not have sex till you're married. And then magically when you're married, you're supposed to just enjoy it and like know how to do it and everything like that. And I feel like it's, that's not

common and it's hard to like learn your body too when like there's a lot of shame around it in the church or you're married that you can't have it and I feel like just me personally I was ashamed to kind of like get to know myself and know what would help me have an orgasm I just always felt like shameful around it and I didn't want to explore and figure out like what would get me there and yeah it took a lot to kind of get over that mental hump that finally like was able to like help me get there

It was just definitely more of like a mental game for me because I feel like I had like the tools to like get there. I felt like I knew what possibly could, but it was just kind of like every time I would do it to myself or like things like that, I always just felt like dirty after almost. And that's kind of just like the shame that like we have in our church kind of to begin with. So once I finally got past that mental hump, I feel like that's what kind of like helped me. She's never been more relaxed. I know. I know. Truly.

Well, you were, I mean, you and Jesse were like closest to Demi, I feel like, first season. Obviously, there's been a huge rift. We see that Demi is very much on like the outskirts. What happened to your friendship with Demi? I think personally for me, the behaviors that I saw were just so alarming that I couldn't just kind of turn a blind eye to it. And I try to give a lot of people grace. That's something that I'm very big on. I'm very big on forgiving and like giving people second chances.

But for me personally, seeing what she did to Jesse and just kind of honestly how evil it was, I was like, what makes me think that she's not going to go and try to do this to me? And then she did things to Taylor as well. And I just felt like it was a pattern that was repeating itself. And I didn't want to be caught on the wrong end of it. So I was just like, I'm going to take a step back. I'm not going to surround myself with her anymore. And ultimately, if she wants to come back one day and kind of like share her side of the story and make amends with people, I feel like I'm open to that. But every conversation I have had with her, unfortunately, has ended.

negative on her end and it's name calling and it's just very mean and I feel like she kind of shows her true colors in those moments and just I don't need to surround myself with people like that that talk down to me and make me feel bad about myself so I think just ultimately I just don't really have a space for her when you say what she did with Jesse are you referring to Jay-Z styles are you referring to the contract disputes are you referring to Vanderpump Villa or all of the above I

I feel like it was just kind of I feel like the first thing the contract thing I was like oh well Jesse forgave her and I feel like that's kind of how like we all mutually felt that we're like okay like Jesse and them are good so like that's fine we'll let it pass and then the hair thing came up when I was like okay that's a little weird and then now the Vanderpump thing came and I was like it's just it's repeating itself and I feel like at this point if we were to just keep turning a blind eye I feel like that would be kind of dumb of us almost I feel like at some point you kind of need to wake up and see like

the warnings and kind of take a step back. I think something, and we talked about this with, with Jesse and Michaela is that I think, you know, as a, as a fan of the show and as viewers, I think we kind of all just assume that the group of you were just kind of this tight group of friends that have been a tight group of friends for years. And that doesn't seem to be the case, right? Like some of you were like you and Michaela were friends, you and you, Michaela and Whitney were like a group. And then it seems like Demi kind of almost got brought

in Solo. Yeah. And you all, all of you women kind of got to know her through this show. Is that accurate? Well, what I would say is that, so originally when the show was like a thing, we're about to film the pilot, Demi started hitting me and Mikayla up and she was like wanting to hang out. And so we're like, okay, like if we hung out a couple of times at like one of our friend's house, went swimming, all that stuff. And she kept being like, you guys got to get me on that show. And so I remember me and Mikayla being a little skeptical for at first being like, whoa,

what are you willing to do to get on it? Like, why do you want to be on it so bad? Because me and Mikayla were kind of skeptical of even going on the show. We're kind of like, I don't know if I even want to go on it. So why do you want it so bad? And so I think we were always had our guard up a little bit with her. But like, I would say like we were still pretty close. And I think me and Mikayla, to me, Jesse even got closer, like season two and stuff. And behind the scenes, we're hanging out all the time. Like I am invited to meet to my birthday in February. She ended up coming. So I told her, I'm like, Jesse's going to be there and Taylor probably. So just so you know, and she opted out, which was completely fine. But I think

yeah like i don't feel like she's ever just like on an island you know like i feel like she was brought in and we all accepted her and loved her like fairly quick that's the thing it's just like season one she seemed to really be welcomed um so much so that i thought you guys had been friends for for years i guess the reason why i asked that question and i think the answer is it's probably obvious you guys seem as shocked as i think us fans are in terms of your opinion of

How your opinion of Demi has changed from getting to know her originally to now. Yeah. I think we've all been a little bit shocked, to be honest. And I think things that we've heard and seen, like even I was like, I need to see receipts because like I'm having a hard time comprehending that this is like actually happening. And again, I think it's because like, I mean, we loved Demi. Like she's so fun and like hilarious and things like that. But then you're seeing this like kind of mean girl behavior where I'm like,

I mean, I think we saw glimpses of it, but like she brushes it off a lot of humor. So it's like, and I love like a good humor. Like I don't get offended very easily. So never has bothered me. But I think this time it's different because it's stuff that it is like, it's real kind of like career ruining people, but she's just okay doing it. So I think it's just kind of different this time. Yeah. I'm not sure what you women can say, but I have to ask because we have interviewed Miranda. We've interviewed Demi,

and Brett. We interviewed Miranda the morning when Jesse and Demi, I think you were in the comments with Marciano's post at the Hulu's Get Real event. So we asked Miranda about it. And obviously we wanted to be very delicate because that was after we got a chance to interview Demi and Brett. And Demi opened up about these accusations, these claims, which obviously we took very seriously. So

I was a bit taken back and surprised by, you know, Jesse's comments online. Yeah. And Miranda, who really didn't have any... It was quick to say that she questioned me. And as we said with Jesse and...

And Michaela, like we want to believe victims, you know, people can be victims and it can look all different sorts of ways. You know, a lot of people like to poke holes in people's stories and things like that. But it's been shocking to me that everyone I've talked to of your group and people on the outside of the group, but close to the group, everyone seems to be questioning her story and her intentions.

And I would just love to hear what you women think. I mean, it's a really difficult situation. And to be in this situation to begin with, I personally am a victim of sexual assault and domestic violence. So like for me, I'm someone who believes like all women, like you tell me this happened, I'm going to believe you. So that is obviously no question in my mind. I think in this situation, it's very complicated because I'm in like

We've heard what happened in the past and of course we all supported Demi and believed her and everything like that. I'm not saying we don't. I'm just saying there has been things, without getting too deep into it, that don't add up, that aren't logical, that don't make sense. And I get that not everyone handles the situation similarly. Me, myself, I never reported because I was in a situation where I was blackmailed. So I literally couldn't. But the situation is very complicated because obviously we always want to support. But when there's things happening that

maybe don't make sense or that just aren't logical to anyone, you have to kind of question because there's also times in certain situations where the men takes the hit for something they didn't do anything. And I'm not saying that's the case here. I'm just saying that that happens as well. And so I think if you just completely turn a blind eye and being like, no.

then and I mean it's so complicated because I don't want to get too deep in it but when the story changes constantly too it's a little confusing I think that's why a lot of us are confused because this story has changed a lot you know

Laila, you were there for Vanderpump Villa. What are your thoughts on the situation? I think, yeah, ultimately when it comes down to it, I think the word to just describe it is confused. I think you should always believe a victim. If someone's coming forward and they're claiming that they were assaulted, you should always believe them. But I think for me, I'm a very logically driven human. And I feel like I need factual based things to prove what's happening in the situation. And I feel like right now there's just a lot of he said, she said. And yeah, just like you said, I was there in the villa.

And there definitely was some...

Things that were happening that were interesting for a married woman to be participating in, I think, personally. But ultimately, when it comes down to it, I didn't see what she's claiming and I didn't see those things happen. So I can't speak on something that I didn't see. What was y'all's reaction to her quote unquote plan for the finale of season one? Wait, which plan? Sorry. With Dakota. Oh, very interesting. I think that was we were all very confused on why that even went into her head as soon

Yeah. Something that would be okay on Brett's end, on Dakota's end, on Taylor's end, on her end. It was just very interesting. And I think when it was brought up in season two, I'm assuming you see that where it's brought up towards the end. Was that brought up? Was it? Jesse and Michaela just told us about it. Okay, okay. So maybe it's not in season two because it was talked about. It's not in season two. Okay, well, it was talked about. And basically when it was talked about, Taylor brought up and being like, and that was weird that you wanted to do that.

And then Demi was basically saying it wasn't weird. She's like, and you guys can back me up on that. And me and Jesse were like, I did think it was a little weird. I wouldn't want that perception, to be honest, as a married woman to be like, let me fake this affair. That would never be something I would want to do. So it is interesting. Layla, I don't know what you can say, but I have heard rumors. Mm-hmm.

Vanderpump Villa is out. Yeah. We can watch it. Yes. I have been told there's a lot that didn't make the cutting room floor, so to speak. When you watched it back, were you frustrated or surprised there were certain things not in it?

Definitely surprised. That conversation that Marciano and Demi had, especially, that was like a two and a half hour long conversation that everyone in the castle that day was like, they're still talking. Like, that's that's interesting. We would kind of like peek in and out and they're still talking. They're still talking. And that conversation got very, very, very dwindled down.

And then there are side conversations that they would have as well too that where he would make little weird comments towards her and then like she wouldn't necessarily like shut them down and like I was present for them so like I can say that those were happening and none of those were shown too. So I just think there's definitely a lot of moments that were not shown. We interviewed Demi and Brett and

And he seems incredibly supportive. They seemed really connected. What's your opinion of Brett? Do you think he is just like completely gone? Do

Do you think he is hard? Do you think they are aligned with Demi's behavior or do you think he is a supportive husband who's also kind of being played? I feel like we talk about this in our friend group so much right now because we don't even know. Like, I don't know what it would be because I feel like if you've seen some of the things

that have been said between Demi and Marciano. I don't know how you can play along with that. I was like, I would never want to see my husband texting certain things or saying certain things.

and being okay with that so like part of me thinks like he must not know but at the same time I'm like well maybe he does he's just being supportive and like they're moving on with a certain narrative to protect their marriage I really don't know like whatever they choose that's up to them like it's none of our business what they're doing in their marriage like and that's completely fine I think it is confusing though because I'm like what's what's going on and I think at the end of the day with that situation Jordan's try to present him things and say like hey like this happened and he chose to like ignore it so I think at the end of the day like we

We can show him all these things. And if he chooses to stay, then that's up to him. Like it's his marriage. That's his wife. If he chooses to like ignore that behavior, I would never personally if I was married and I've seen that behavior from my spouse. But I mean,

I mean, like, it's their own. Do you think she will return for season three? Do you think she will want? Okay, it's like, well, and I want just to clarify Natalie's question. When we talked to them, especially Brett, and pretty much her as well, were like talking as if they were done. Jesse, Michaela...

Don't think she is again. I like contracts aside and yeah, you know I don't obviously you're not allowed to say whether she is or isn't but like I just want your opinion on whether she will want to return regardless if she is either allowed or welcomed back and

Will you, do you think she will try to return at some point? I think I'm shocked personally that she hasn't come back already. Honestly, like I thought her return, I think she will come back. Yes. And I thought her return honestly was going to happen sooner than this. Yeah. So I'm kind of shocked already that she hasn't come back yet. I just think personally for me, I don't think I could go on with the accusations that are being made without like clearing my name. So I think at this point, like she has to come back. I feel like. Yeah.

Yeah. I think if she doesn't come back like for season three, then maybe she takes like a skip on that and then goes to season four because I'm like, as it is, if you're not getting paid and you're being talked about probably the most. So, I mean, might as well come clear your name on this. I would want to. I would too. Yeah. Macy, where do you stand with Whitney these days?

We're not like close friends by any means. I would say we're cordial, but we're not, I'm not entertaining like a friendship there any longer. Were you as confused as I was as a viewer when you went to her to try to get her to reflect on not showing up to

out to your, was it your birthday party? My baby mama launch party. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. I love everything you're doing. Whitney's not stupid. She might be a lot of things, but she's not stupid. She's a very, I think, intelligent person, but why does she think she can get away with

playing so dumb in some of these moments. I mean, you and me both. I question that as well. I'm like, are you just really not self-aware? Because I feel like we've had so many conversations, even off camera. And I think you see that on camera where I was the one who wrote the truth box confession saying, do you regret not going to Macy's event? Mainly because I was going to help clear her name in a way because we had a conversation a month prior talking about it. And we've had multiple conversations where

I was like saying like, well, you can still regret not coming even if you weren't in the place because I feel like I would regret not supporting my friends. I'm like, so if you look at regret, like you can regret not coming, but still like being like I wasn't in the place mentally and I wish I was. So I regret that. But that sucks.

And she told me on the phone, she's like, well, maybe I have to look up what regret means. And so she Googles it on the phone and she's like, oh, OK, I guess I do regret that. And then we do the truth box and she's like, no, I don't. I'm like, am I like losing my mind? I'm like, I'm actually like so confused. And then, yeah. And again, like I think we have other conversations on the show where I'm just like, let's just agree to disagree. And it's like not good enough for her. And she like wants to keep pushing and be like, well, I want like this.

Again, I just, it was too exhausting. I think for me with Whitney, like, I wish her the best and I'm fine to be cordial and friendly, but I feel like I was always in a friendship test where, like, even towards the end of season two, like, she texted me when we were done rapping being like, you purposely didn't sit next to me. And then you said this. And I'm like, wait, what?

Like, I'm too exhausted. I can't be constantly, like, watching my back being like, oh, is she going to think I looked at her funny today? Like, you know what I mean? Because it's exhausting. And I was tired. Like, season one, like, it was so tiring dealing with the emotional stress, like, of being her friend. Like, I loved her and I wanted to support her. But even off camera, I'm dealing with everything and being like, hey, like, how can I support you? I'm sending her crumble cookies. I'm trying to be, like, a great friend to her. And then it's, like, season one finished and

it was like ghost town. I still reached out to her, never usually got responses. And then all of a sudden, once the show's about to come out, it's almost like she needed me as an ally or like she's about to go on a podcast or she called me the day before and be like best friends with me. So it almost seemed like it was like a plan in a way to be like, have me on her side as an ally. And I didn't feel like I realized these things until later where I was like, actually she

she honestly never really was a great friend to me. And so I think once I realized that over time, then I was like, I just, I'm good to be friendly, cordial. I wish you the best, but I can't put

my time and effort into this because I know Mikayla probably has very strong feelings and she even season two she'd be like not wanting to be friends with her and I'm like I am a type of person that I have to decide for myself I have to figure out for myself and so I'm not going to just not be friends with someone because you don't like her you know so but over time I realized like wait actually she never really was a great friend to me and it just took me a while to realize that. Layla what do you make of Nami and Whitney's newfound friendship? Very convenient I think would be the great word to use I think

for the longest amount of time they were like enemies basically like to me the amount of shit she talked on Whitney was astronomical I mean she does it to a lot of people but it was pretty heavy in the way that she treated her too like I think I would use the word like bullying so to now have them very close and kind of like together I feel like it's because they kind of don't necessarily have anyone else in the group at the moment and again that's on their end if they want to come forward and kind of like take full accountability for like everything else aside on Demi's end if they want to take accountability for just like not being the best

bestest of friends and like maybe they would have other people in the group that they could lean on and I feel like it would be very telling if they started to like kind of like drift apart after that but yeah I just feel like it's very it's very convenient they became friends because they had a common enemy which was Taylor Demi is beefing with Taylor and all of a sudden she becomes friends with Whitney who was fine with Taylor at that moment but then I think as soon as Whitney has a chance to not like Taylor again it's like okay yeah so that's what it seemed like happened from all of our perspectives but

I mean, I guess, whatever, I guess. You and Jacob seem like a really healthy and wonderful couple. He seems like a really stand-up guy. Yeah. What do you guys make, I guess, just of the rest of the couples? Oh, no. You know, Jen and Zach. I mean, I will say I've, you know, I asked Jesse and Michaela, at least Jen and Zach's interactions, I've been really impressed with Zach. Yeah. He seems like he at least...

is trying to take accountability and make some changes. I don't know if that's, you know, for TV or authentic. I look forward to like learning and getting to know him more. But I'm just generally curious about like when you and Jacob get together and you're sitting, you know, off camera, like what do you make of just,

some of these other relationships like Dakota and Taylor and Jen and Zach, specifically, I guess, those two and just how toxic they seem. I mean, I definitely have more opinions than Jacob. I feel like Jacob's such an easy, like,

relaxed guy he's like well you know they're trying like you know like he's so nice I feel like he'll never say anything but I'll come to him and being like oh yeah and then so-and-so said this and Zach did this and I think yeah no I I feel like the more I film and hear more with these couples I'm like just grateful and for my relationship I'm like wow I got really lucky and

But also I went through the ringer to find my husband too. Like I was in an abusive relationship and then I lost my son's father. So I feel like for me, I'm like, I deserve him because I feel like I went through a lot to get to this man. And I think when you have toxic relationships in the past, you know that like, I never want this again. And so I think that's how I found Jacob. It was like probably the most normal

one. So I do feel very grateful when I see these couples. Of course, Taylor and Dakota, I mean, it's no, it's no, I'm not shy about how I feel about that one for sure. And I think I get shit because the people are like, well, why don't you go tell Jen this too? And I'm like, well, well, I'm like, I can only handle one at a time, to be honest. And at this rate, like they're married, they're working on it. I'm like, Taylor and Dakota aren't married. So I feel like it's a little different where it's like, you don't have that commitment yet to where,

I'm as concerned, I guess, but not a huge fan of Dakota. And I'll be completely honest. He knows that. Not at all. Actually, like the way that McKay feels about Whitney is probably how I feel about Dakota. I had that same energy. Say more. Cause like I watching it back and clearly he's not a perfect person. No one is. No.

But when I watch it, like I'm always looking for ways to try to have empathy with people. I am too. I'm an empath for sure. You seem to be the clear, the most forgiving person, which is why I'm just kind of very fascinated by your opinion. But yeah, I see a hurt man who's really been through a lot. But why do you have such a strong point of view about Dakota?

I think for one, he triggers me. He reminds me a lot of my abusive ex-boyfriend. He does a lot of the same things. And I used to, I think in season one, I was like, I'm not saying you're that person because I was trying to get the benefit of the doubt. And then over time, I'm like, he is that person. And I think he can be a good person, but him with Taylor, he's not a good person.

And I just don't think they're good for each other in general. But there's a lot more that happens behind closed doors that you won't even see on the show that I know. And so for me, knowing those things, of course, I'm going to ride for my friend and be protective of my friend because I've also been through a similar situation. So I'm hearing the similarities and I'm like, oh, it irks me to my core. And I just want to help. And unfortunately, you can't tell Taylor what to do, obviously. She's going to do probably the opposite.

opposite of what your advice is. But I think it's just hard to watch, especially to see your friend get hurt over and over again and then still go back and you're like, what are you doing? It is so frustrating. There's a

There's a point in time where I almost had to step back and be like, do what you want. I can't even, I just can't watch because it was like, again, I think he just triggers me because he reminds me a lot of my ex, but for good reason, because he is a lot like him and he sabotages things. I'm like, why do you think Taylor didn't show up today? Of course, it's always him behind the scenes sabotaging things. So I should blame Dakota. A thousand percent. It's like anytime Taylor has a big event coming up last year for press. New York press. New York press.

The press in L.A., she almost didn't show up because he purposely gets in fights with her, sabotages things. She's crying. She doesn't want to go do press. He sabotages all the exciting things. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if your wife had a great opportunity coming up, you wouldn't be like, let me start a fight right before she leaves. Right. Like, even if you were mad at her, something was going on, you'd probably be like, we'll save it for later. I want them to succeed. I want them to be their best.

He doesn't. And I think it's almost like a competition almost. Like, I think he's so insecure that he has to bring her down to his level, to be honest. And it's hard because this is exactly how I feel. So I'm just saying it. But then we do have to sometimes film in group settings. And he's a very nice, likable guy. And I generally get along with him. So it's almost conflicting to me sometimes because I'm like, oh, like, why are you the way you are behind closed doors?

Like, I wish you were like this person to the front, like all the time. Do you feel like he like performs for the cameras? Oh, 100%. Yeah. I always say that he's a wolf in sheep's clothing and I stand by that. 100%. Well, we don't.

touched on it in a little bit in the beginning but leila you had a boyfriend he did all of season two and now he's dead and now well now he's not with us he's not with you what happened in that relationship honestly it was a very short relationship we were together for maybe three months um and like i said he came in very strong and hot from the beginning and we talked about like

like marriage and like engagement in a very short amount of time frame, which was pretty crazy like looking back. But again, I think he saw how vulnerable I was and he knew exactly what to say to me. And I feel like me too being a single mom, that's something that like I long for is like to have a complete family and to like have a partner to come home to at night, especially in this environment when I see so many happy couples. I want that so badly for myself. And I think he knew exactly what to say to like

snatch me in. And then we ended up not working out because he felt like morally we didn't align, which he's very contradictory in some ways that like he said that he wanted to be like a more active member of the church. And when we were together, he told that to me and I was like, okay, well, this is something that's really important to him. So I'm going to try to like be more active for him. So we would go to church together. And then five minutes into us being at home, he's trying to rip my clothes off and have sex with me. So it's just like,

it's the double standard that like i hate and i do not appreciate and then he also didn't like the show which was interesting because he knew about the show on our first date he didn't like me modeling but i feel like that's kind of like an insecurity thing so i think you showed up to film yeah yeah he was on the show multiple times as you guys saw so it's just it's very interesting that like he said those things once we were breaking up i personally i can't say completely because like i

I don't know what his intentions were, like talking to me at all. But I honestly, looking back, I feel pretty used. I feel like he kind of came in, he got his screen time, and then he dipped when he felt like he got enough. Do you feel like he kind of tried to make you feel like safe and comfortable by being like, I don't like this show. I don't like, but then would be on it and obviously like have set conversations on it and stuff. Yeah, exactly. I feel like it was kind of maybe a way to make him feel

not look like he used me and be like oh well I don't really I don't like the show like I don't know if I want this a part of my life for the rest of my life even though multiple times I've told him like I don't know how long I want this in my life like I would voice that to him all the time like you know like we're on season three right now but like who knows like maybe like at season five like I feel like I'm I've reached my limit and I'm gonna walk away from the show like I just don't know what the future holds for me so I feel like him holding that kind of above me and being like I don't know if like I want this part of my life I'm like okay that's like

because again, it wasn't a red flag when you showed up to filming all the time. But also, she was way out of his league. Like, I was confused. Yeah, I honestly thought he was way too ugly for you. You guys, I'm like, let me be the matchmaker. Can I find their, like, spouses? Because I'm like, what's going on? I'm not opposed at this point. This motherfucker better be really funny. I know.

Who else do you feel that way about in the group? I'm like, who's single? Well, I mean, no one is dating anyone. Obviously, I have choice feelings about Dakota, so I'm like, you could get better, obviously. But you're the only other one because Miranda's not dating anyone, right? No. What about Jen and Zach? Jen and Zach? I mean, it's hard to say. I know. What about Jesse and Jordan? Jesse and Jordan? Do you think she's way out of his league? Oh, absolutely.

Oh, absolutely. I mean, yeah. 100%. Okay. Yeah. Well, speaking of that, just a broader question for both of you. And I think you've kind of spoken out with Dakota and your ex as well. But there seems to be some kind of theme. I think this is a theme with society in general. Yeah. It seems even more pronounced when it comes to

more conservative communities like the Mormon community. I was raised very Catholic, kind of Christian conservative, which I think there's a lot of good that comes from those communities. But there's a theme, especially with the men, when it comes to successful women and very confident women, that there seems to be this theme of men trying to put their partners down. Do you notice that? Because they're insecure. Yeah, exactly. And I think

To me, when I look at it, I think it's all the way you're raised. And I mean, I always say being from California is different. And I think it's more traditional in Utah where it's like very traditional values. Granted, like my mom didn't work. My dad did. But they were always like equals. And I think in certain relationships you see it like Jen and Zach, not to like talk about theirs, but like.

I think that was an issue for him. Like, and it's intimidating. I think it's intimidating for Jordan to see how successful Jesse is. And sometimes these men, when they're intimidated, they try to bring their partner down so that they feel more of an equal so that their partner wants them still. Because like, well, if they get too successful, they might leave. Like, I think it's an insecurity thing. Whereas like,

I'm just so against that. And I think my husband knows that. He is so supportive in my situation. It's like, if anything, he's like, how can I help make you more successful? And I'm like, I'm not saying that's how it should be, but I'm like, your partner should be supporting you. And if my husband wanted to have his own career too and do his own thing, I am fully supportive of that. But I do think it's interesting seeing these men try it. I have a weird thing with toxic men, as you can see. I'm like, these men. But

But I get it. It irks me, though. I think it's an appropriate thing because you've been affected by that. It pisses me off. Like, I'm like...

These men are just not supportive and it's just not okay. I think it's just disgusting, to be honest. And I think if you're going to be in a relationship, you should hopefully have a spouse that supports you, your career, and your dreams. And if you don't have that, then leave. Layla, two-part question. You came on season one a little bit more of the quiet one, a little more demure. Season two, you really seem to find your voice, being willing to...

do everything from exploring orgasms to smoking a vagina blunt. Yes! Now it's shown! Oh my God. Honestly, I loved it. I thought it was great. I mean, it just... Listen, we're all human. You had a moment of just saying that. I had a fun night. Getting to know your story more and more, you are more than allowed to shake it up a little bit. But I want to know, obviously season two ended with an absolute bomb drop.

of you getting Marciano to spill some tea. Not sure what's true, what's not. But first part question is, do you feel like this show has made you feel more empowered emotionally

more confident in yourself, despite it being a show that's includes a lot of drama and toxicity and things like that. But do you feel like it's made you a stronger woman? And two, what do you make of how season two ended? And again, I know we have season three and I'm going to respect that we are going to preserve that as well. But what can you share about that moment that started

that season two ended on and like, I guess how shocked or not shocked were you? Yeah. For the first question, I think for me personally, just the,

This show has given me a lot of opportunities in my life that's kind of like changed my life. Like being able to be a single mom and provide my children a really good life is something that a lot of women stay in relationships for because they can't do that. So it's something that I'm very grateful for. And I think that's why I've become more confident because I'm like, I'm doing the damn thing and I'm doing it on my own, too, which I'm just really proud of myself because truthfully, that's something that for a long time is why I stayed in my marriage so long is because I didn't know if I could do it.

And then the show came into the picture and I was like, wait, like there's a chance that I could do this on my own. And that's what kind of like gave me the confidence to leave. And season one, that's when I was in the process of my divorce and like still like kind of in the depths of that. And that wasn't shown obviously in season one, but I was struggling a lot mentally season one for sure. And I just wasn't able to show up for myself mentally. So I wasn't really able to show up when we were doing this experience. But season two, I'm finally like in a good place. And I feel like I've just become just a happier person. I'm kind of getting back to like who Layla is now.

And then your second question, I was shocked. Very, very shocked. I think it was a really hard thing to hear because I just in that moment, it was I didn't know what to believe. Like I'm hearing this man that I don't even know say something about one of my best friends. That was hard to hear. And yeah, I just think shocked is the right word to use. It was definitely a hard day for me to hear that. What do you think of Marciano? I think he's a scummy person. Personally, I think

I think he's trying to do the right thing now, which is good. But I think his intentions of what he was doing behind the scenes is very icky. And just messing with married women too in general. Yeah, going to marry women in general. If a woman is married, leave her the hell alone. I just think it's so gross to even kind of like venture into that. But yeah. I think it comes from a place of insecurity. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

again not sure what you can share obviously season two ended with an accusation about jesse's behavior we're talking with jesse she promises we're gonna get to the bottom of it season three so we'll hold her to it but you went there to get answers about him and to me is there more to that story of him and to me um

Or is it just about him and Jesse at this point? At that point, when I did meet with him that day, he swept everything under the rug to me. So it was I didn't find anything out at that day meeting him. He was just kind of like nothing happened, nothing happened. And then kind of reverted the whole entire conversation to Jesse. So, yeah, I did go there that day with intentions to kind of figure out what actually happened in Italy. And he didn't give me that. What do you think there is more? I do. Yeah.

Is there any ounce of you that has sympathy for Demi? I think that this is a very hard situation for sure. This world's just really hard to navigate. And I think we're all human. And at the end of the day, we fuck up and we make mistakes. But I think right now what's hard for me is that she's seeing how it's affecting people and affecting people that she loved. It doesn't matter how she feels about Jesse now. At one point in your life, you really love Jesse and she was one of your really good friends. And I think for me, it's hard to like

kind of feel sympathy when like she's seeing how badly it's hurting Jesse and like there hasn't been like an attempt to like reach out or like try to like just see if she's doing okay but I do feel bad I just feel like this is hard for sure to have this all broadcasted to the world too because like normally when people make mistakes in life it's not being shown to millions of people all over the world and it's definitely an isolating experience that like when you fuck up it's public but if she were to reach out to you while the

the show is airing while she's getting opinions would you be there for her or do you need that that space I think I'm willing to hear her out for sure I'm never going to just be like if you don't talk to me but I definitely would see how she handles that conversation um

and kind of takes accountability and doesn't deflect. I feel like that's something that this group kind of does a lot is when we're in the hot seat, we kind of start like pointing fingers towards everyone else and they're like, well, you did this and you did this. And I'm like, okay, like stop, take accountability for what I'm coming to you for right now. Don't come at me and like try to say things about me right now. This isn't about me. So I think if she's able to like take accountability and kind of like be like, yeah, I fucked up, then like I'd be willing to hear her out. I'd love to have you both answer. Do each of you think that Demi and Brett's relationship will last? Yeah.

It's hard to say because I feel like I don't know how deep their relationship lies. On social media, you would think it's perfect, but as we know from...

many other couples that social media is not a reflection how your relationship really is i don't want to say yes or no i would give it a maybe give me give me does she got it i would say yes i'll say yes for now yeah what do you think what do you think i'll take no okay i think this world unfortunately might the way that she's operating with the things i think this world might break them

Okay. We played a fun game with Jesse and Michaela last episode, and we're going to play the same thing. It's Mormon Wives Superlatives. Oh. And so just tell us what you think. You're welcome to nominate yourselves or anyone else in the group. Who do y'all think is the most delusional? Whitney. Okay. Who is most likely to win an Oscar? Ooh.

I think Whitney's the only one who wants to be an actress. She's damn good at acting, so Whitney. So I guess Whitney. Who is most likely to use a beauty filter on their photos? To me. Yeah? Yeah. You guys seem to be pretty in sync. Most likely to sneak in a fart and blame someone else. Sneak it. Macy. No, I wouldn't sneak it, though. You know me. I announce it. I think more the emphasis is blaming someone else. Blaming someone else. Oh, it's not me or Mikayla, because I feel like we announce it if that ever happens. No.

jesse like maybe you actually she's like quiet over there i feel like it would actually be you oh no i don't that shit i feel like if you see like not me who is most likely to steal a baby's name i'm trying to think of who we have on our cast like who is that not miranda i feel like she was like um maybe jesse jesse i could see it being jesse worst dressed whitney best friend miranda me

yeah you're miranda what about we're stressed oh yeah she just tried to hide not it's two she's like you i'm like it's two taylor whitney okay um who's most likely to have lied this season probably to me to me back to we're stressed do you think uh do you think taylor puts as much effort into her wardrobe as whitney no taylor's just comfy she's a comfy

girl, but I think sometimes we'll show up to things and she comes in sweats and everyone else is in jeans. I think that's what I mean. Am I accurate to assume that Whitney puts a ton of effort into her wardrobe? Yeah, and in the wrong places. I can say that. I think she tries to do funky things to be different, if I'm being honest. I mean, if her goal is different, she's crushing it. No, I know. Exactly. So I guess it's perspective. Most likely to get canceled. I mean, I'm just going to say Jessie because she's...

jesse going through things okay yeah love her love you love you love you jesse sorry more than to me huh yeah well i would say i would probably say to me honestly but like i just think of the situation right now i would say okay maybe next season three it would be maybe to me most unreliable taylor or jen yeah it's either the two just forget about her she's just over there yeah same okay most

Macy or Jesse? Yeah, I'd probably say me. Okay. Yeah, me or Jesse. Those answers surprise you? Are they similar to... Honestly, the majority of them were similar. Mostly they'd pick their nose in public. Whitney. Yeah, Whitney. That girl rips ass in public all the time, too. She did. She's a farter. She is a farter. Oh.

She's farty. Well, ladies, it's always great to catch up with you. Thank you for such an amazing season two. I hope to see more of you in the future. Good luck the rest of the way. And just again, just thank you for being who you guys are, as vulnerable as you are, especially, I mean, both of you. You guys really opened up this season. It was really great to see and get to see more of you, especially you, Layla. And wish you all nothing but the best. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you to our guests, Layla and Macy, for joining us. We will be back next week for another jam-packed, explosive week. We have an incredible Going Deeper with, I'll say, two members of the cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, a couple, and a lot to unpack there. Excited for you guys to listen to that one. It's going to be a crazy week. We're excited to bring it to you. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.