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Best Of: Margaret Atwood on American Myths and Authoritarianism

2025/5/9
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我观察到人类使用故事进行思考,这源于语言中包含了过去、现在和未来,使我们能够传递信息,教导后代避免重复错误。然而,故事的缺点在于其易于被用于恶意目的,编造虚假故事以达到个人目的。故事的可信度取决于它能否迎合人们想做好事、乐于助人的愿望,利用人们善良的一面来达到目的。故事的另一个力量在于它使人们感到自己很重要,是历史进程中的参与者。

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A good rule of thumb is that whatever Margaret Atwood is worried about now, the rest of us will likely be worried about a decade from now. The rise of authoritarianism. A backlash against women’s social progress. Climate change leading to social unrest. Advertising permeating more and more of our lives.

We originally released this episode back in March 2022. But just like Atwood’s work, it somehow only got more relevant with time. 

Atwood is the author of at least 17 novels, including the classic “The Handmaid’s Tale),” as well as 20 books of poetry and nine collections of short fiction. When we spoke, she’d just published an essay collection, “Burning Questions).” And she has a new book coming out this fall, “Book of Lives: A Memoir of Sorts).”

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Art & Energy) by Barry Lord

Book recommendations:

War) by Margaret MacMillan

Biased) by Jennifer L. Eberhardt

Secrets of the Sprakkar) by Eliza Reid

Charlotte’s Web) by E. B. White

Lord of the Rings) by J. R. R. Tolkien

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast). Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html)

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Special thanks to Kristina Samulewski, Coral Ann Howells and Brooks Bouson. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick and Aman Sahota. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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