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How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

2025/5/6
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Ezra Klein
一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家，通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Ezra Klein: 本期节目讨论了代表特朗普胜选区的民主党众议员Marie Gluesenkamp Perez的政治策略。她独特的经济主张和打破党派界限的意愿帮助她成功连任。然而，特朗普时代的现实正在冲击她的选区，一些自由派选民对她不够强硬地反对政府感到愤怒。与此同时，白宫也开始提出与她相似的经济论点，例如减少消费、增加生产和减少进口。 Klein 探索了 Perez 如何在这种情况下处理她与特朗普政府在经济政策上的相似之处和分歧。他探讨了 Perez 对特朗普经济议程的看法，以及她在选区中看到的各种反应。他特别关注 Perez 如何同时代表那些害怕特朗普的自由派选民和忠实的特朗普支持者。 Marie Gluesenkamp-Perez: 我专注于我的社区和他们的需求。关税是一种工具，可以被建设性或破坏性地使用。我们既想要廉价商品，又想要经济自主和韧性。NAFTA的例子说明，人们既需要工作，也需要廉价商品，两者缺一不可。我们需要耐用商品，而不是一次性商品。过度专业化导致了潜在价值的丧失。人们不仅是消费者，也是生产者和管理者。我们需要在商品上标注平均使用寿命和年度维护成本，以改变消费习惯。真正的环保主义不是简单的消费行为，而是一种生活方式。我们需要恢复地方主义，地方利益应该优先于全国性议程。我们需要重新评估和重视体力劳动和实际技能。我们需要自主权和自决权，而不是依赖于外部的解决方案。智力形式多样，并非只有学术智力一种，实践技能与理论知识同等重要。我们需要一个积极的政策议程，而非仅仅是反对特朗普。关税会对人们的生活产生实际影响，这并非华盛顿的政治游戏。我们需要积极地利用特朗普的政策，促进国内制造业发展。我们需要重新评估技术和熟练技工在能源效率和实用性方面的重要性。应该优先考虑对现有物品的维护和使用，而不是购买新的电动汽车。应该优先考虑固定式电气化，而不是移动式电气化。大多数人关注的是实际问题，例如芬太尼成瘾、农场合并和失业。我们需要与选民直接沟通，并区分那些被付费参与政治的人和普通民众。我们需要一个积极的政策议程来解决人们对失去自主权的愤怒。我们需要关注实际问题，例如芬太尼成瘾和司法改革。我们需要在移民问题上找到共同点，例如边境安全和正当程序。我们需要关注芬太尼的供应链问题，并提供更好的治疗方案。

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Representative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez is one of just 13 Democrats to represent a district that Donald Trump won. Her distinctive economic message, and a willingness to buck her own party, helped her win re-election. But now the reality of the Trump era is coming home.

Gluesenkamp Perez faced raucous crowds at town halls in Washington State recently, with some of her more liberal constituents furious that she isn’t opposing the administration more forcefully. At the same time, the White House has started making economic arguments that sound very similar to ones that she’s made – that we should consume less, produce more and import less stuff from abroad.

So I wanted to talk to her about how she’s navigating this moment. What does she think of Trump’s economic agenda? What reactions is she seeing across her district? How does a Democrat now represent both terrified liberals and loyal Trump voters?

This episode contains strong language.

Book Recommendations:

The Wheelwright’s Shop) by George Sturt

Experiences in Visual Thinking) by Robert H. McKim

Children’s poetry anthologies) from Jack Prelutsky

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You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast). Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html)

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio.

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