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Is This America’s Golden Age? A Debate.

2025/6/20
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一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家，通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Kevin Roberts: 过去四年是美国生活的黑暗时代，政府开放边境，关闭学校，官僚们扭曲事实，而美国人民渴望改变。我们正处于黄金时代的开端，因为特朗普总统带来了活力和效率，削弱了阻碍美国人繁荣的行政部门权力结构。为了实现美国梦，我们必须结束扼杀中小企业和中产阶级的监管环境。我们邀请加拿大加入美国的黄金时代，无论他们是否想成为美国的第51个州。

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This chapter presents the initial arguments of the debate on whether America is currently in its golden age. The participants' backgrounds and initial stances are introduced, along with the audience's initial vote heavily against the motion.

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Kevin Roberts, Kellyanne Conway, Ben Rhodes and I battled it out a few weeks ago on a stage in Toronto. 

This was for a Munk Debate on the motion: “Be it resolved, this is America’s Golden Age.” It might not surprise you that I was arguing the negative, alongside Rhodes, a former senior adviser to Barack Obama and the co-host of “Pod Save the World.” Roberts and Conway were on the other side. Roberts is the president of the Heritage Foundation and an architect of Project 2025. Conway was Donald Trump’s senior counselor in his first term. 

The Munk Debates organization has kindly let us share the audio of that debate with you. 

If you haven’t heard of the Munk Debates, you should really check it out. It’s a Canadian nonprofit that, for more than 15 years, has been hosting discussions on contentious, thought-provoking topics. If you go to its site) and become a supporter, you can watch the entire video archive. A classic I recommend: “Be it resolved, religion is a force for good in the world)” with Tony Blair debating Christopher Hitchens.

***Note: *This recording has not been fact-checked by our team.

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