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Mamdani, Trump and the End of the Old Politics

2025/6/28
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一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家,通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Ezra Klein: 在新媒体时代,传统的竞选策略,如购买电视广告,已经不再有效。佐兰·曼达尼的成功在于他充分利用了社交媒体的算法传播,通过短视频吸引了大量注意力。他将倾听选民的声音转化为一种传播形式,这与传统的政治家侧重于告知的沟通方式截然不同。库莫的竞选策略过于老旧,未能适应新媒体环境。 Chris Hayes: 佐兰·曼达尼是第一个真正适应当前媒体环境的政治家,他利用短视频进行算法传播。与特朗普和桑德斯在社交媒体时代通过文本信息占据主导地位不同,曼达尼通过视觉垂直视频在算法媒体中崭露头角。他既有个人魅力,又具备政治才能,这与他所使用的传播形式完美结合。民主党应该寻找具有注意力技能的人,而不是只关注筹款能力。 Zohran Mamdani: 我认为纽约正遭受一场危机,我应该成为市长来解决这场危机。我将倾听选民的声音,了解他们的需求,并提出相应的政策。

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Zohran Mamdani created a new anti-establishment playbook — in his use of social video, his focus on affordability and his position on Israel.   

His assumed victory in New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary, trouncing the former governor Andrew Cuomo, was one of the biggest political upsets in years. And while the electorate in this case is pretty specific, I think it still points to some tectonic changes in Democratic politics.  

My friend Chris Hayes, the host of MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes,” came on the show earlier this year to talk about his book “The Sirens’ Call,” which is all about how social media and the new attention economy are shaping politics. So I wanted to bring him back for a sequel, to get “The Sirens’ Call” take on Mamdani’s victory, and Hayes’s insights as a born-and-raised New Yorker, with a deep feel for both the city’s politics and the broader Democratic Party.

This episode contains strong language.

Book Recommendations:

The Name of the Rose) by Umberto Eco

Tomorrow Is Yesterday) by Hussein Agha and Robert Malley

Mao's Last Revolution) by Roderick MacFarquhar and Michael Schoenhals

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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu and Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Annie Galvin and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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