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The Disaster That Just Passed the Senate

2025/7/2
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Ezra Klein
一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家,通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Ezra Klein: 我认为特朗普政府的减税法案是一项糟糕的立法,它包括对富人倾斜的巨额减税,以及对医疗补助、营养援助和绿色能源的残酷削减。即使在削减开支的情况下,预计未来10年国家债务将增加3万亿美元以上,而且这项法案非常不受欢迎。共和党参议员Tom Tillis因医疗补助削减而宣布在本届任期结束时辞职,表明共和党人对这项法案可能造成的破坏感到担忧。由于条款数量庞大,加上特朗普政府在其他重大政策斗争中分散注意力,很难集中注意力在这项法案上。 Matt Yglesias: 我认为该法案包含约5万亿美元的减税,主要倾向于富人,并通过削减营养援助、清洁能源项目和医疗补助来抵消。特朗普让共和党人在削减医疗保险和社会保障方面更加谨慎,导致特朗普时代的共和党削减提案更多地落在穷人身上,而不是老年人身上。特朗普赢得了更多低收入选民的支持,但他提出的政策对他们非常不利,尤其是在医疗补助方面。为了节省资金,该法案必须削减对真正需要医疗保健的病人的护理。抵消减税的唯一方法是拒绝为需要治疗的人提供医疗服务。共和党人信奉自由市场观点,即人们必须自己支付医疗费用,但他们不愿公开表达这种观点,因为它听起来很糟糕。共和党削减医疗补助实际上是在削减他们自己的选民、共和党州和依赖医疗补助资金的共和党医院。

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President Trump’s “big, beautiful bill” is a bad piece of legislation. It includes trillions of dollars in tax cuts that are very much tilted toward the rich, along with savage cuts to Medicaid, nutrition assistance and green energy.

And on Tuesday, July 1, the Senate passed it in a 51-50 vote, with Vice President JD Vance as the tiebreaker.

But bad policy only matters if people know about it, and a lot of people don’t — partly because there are an overwhelming number of provisions, and partly because the Trump administration is already flooding the zone with so many other major policy fights.

So I asked Matt Yglesias, the author of the Slow Boring) newsletter, back on the show to go through what is in this bill and why it has been so hard to build momentum for pushback. We spoke on Thursday, June 26.

Mentioned:

A List of Nearly Everything in the Senate G.O.P. Bill, and How Much It Would Cost or Save)” by Alicia Parlapiano, Margot Sanger-Katz, Aatish Bhatia and Josh Katz

The System) by David S. Broder and Haynes Johnson

The Ten Year War) by Jonathan Cohn

Book recommendations:

Proto) by Laura Spinney

Wuthering Heights) by Emily Bronte

The Social Transformation of American Medicine) by Paul Starr

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].

You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast). Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html)

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick and Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kelsey Kudak. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Michelle Harris, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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