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‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

2025/5/13
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Ezra Klein
一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家,通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Rebecca Winthrop
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Ezra Klein: 我对人工智能的快速发展以及它对未来社会和经济的影响深感不安,尤其是在教育领域。我担心传统的教育模式可能无法为孩子们适应未来的世界做好充分准备。现在孩子们不像以前那样喜欢阅读了,而且教授们也在调整教学内容以适应学生们的变化。如果人工智能可以为我们做很多事情,我们为什么还要自己做?我希望我的孩子们过上幸福、充实的生活,但如果他们没有找到一份好工作,那么他们的教育就被认为是失败的。现在整个交易都陷入了混乱,我们必须制定一个新的计划。 Rebecca Winthrop: 我认为在人工智能时代,我们必须重新思考教育的目的。教育不仅仅是知识的传递,还包括学会与他人相处、了解自己和培养适应不确定世界的能力。最重要的技能是孩子们学习新事物的积极性和参与度。我们希望孩子们掌握足够的知识,以便能够判断什么是真实的,什么是虚假的,并且能够创造性地解决问题。参与度非常重要,它关系到你学习的积极性,可以预测更好的成就、更好的成绩、更好的心理健康、更多的大学入学率和更好的内容理解。我们需要让孩子们培养做困难事情的能力,因为我非常担心人工智能会让年轻人的世界变得过于轻松。

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I honestly don’t know how I should be educating my kids. A.I. has raised a lot of questions for schools. Teachers have had to adapt to the most ingenious cheating technology ever devised. But for me, the deeper question is: What should schools be teaching at all? A.I. is going to make the future look very different. How do you prepare kids for a world you can’t predict?

And if we can offload more and more tasks to generative A.I., what’s left for the human mind to do?

Rebecca Winthrop is the director of the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution. She is also an author, with Jenny Anderson, of “The Disengaged Teen: Helping Kids Learn Better, Feel Better, and Live Better).” We discuss how A.I. is transforming what it means to work and be educated, and how our use of A.I. could revive — or undermine — American schools.

Mentioned:

Brookings Global Task Force on AI Education)

Winthrop’s World of Education)

Book Recommendations:

Democracy and Education) by John Dewey

Unwired) by Gaia Bernstein

Blueprint for Revolution) by Srdja Popovic

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].

You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast). Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html)

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Alexander Gil Fuentes and Switch and Board Podcast Studio.

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