Attorney General Pam Bondi-Exclusive One-on-One LIVE Interview at CPAC
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Get more than just your groceries with the American Express Gold Card. Learn more at americanexpress.com slash US slash explore dash gold. Terms and points cap apply. Welcome, it is Verdict with Ted Cruz, live from CPAC 2025. Senator, it's, uh, I like this being our annual time to hang out with fun people. Well, it is great to be back with CPAC, and I gotta say, CPAC this year, there is energy, there's excitement. Yeah.

It turns out winning doesn't suck. It does not. And we have a guest. We have the Attorney General of the United States, Pam Bondi. So these guys never invite me to be on their podcast. They finally did, and I get a deal with you. So this is awesome. Well, Pam, I will tell you that there is some good karma to being on this podcast at CPAC with someone named J.D. Vance. He's done all right for himself. He's a great man. So...

Welcome. Thank you. You have been Attorney General 15 days. It feels like 15 years. I believe you. And by the way, you just got some help. An hour ago, the Senate just finished confirming. Yes, isn't that great? Been on the phone with him nonstop. I talked to him on the ride over here. He is going to do fantastic. Sure is.

All right, let's start. Fifteen days. You've come into what I think is the single most important cabinet position in this administration because we went through four years of Biden weaponizing the Department of Justice, using it to attack his enemies and to support his friends. So let me ask you, come into DOJ. You've got a mission. You've got a mission to restore integrity to the department, to end the weaponization and politicization.

How do you do that? How do you get that done? You know, the volume, Senator, what concerned me the most, it's the volume of how bad it was. And it still is. We're working on it. It's day by day by day. But we've got a team of great people. And on day one, I issued 14 executive orders. And number one is the weaponization ends and it ends now. And that's what we did.

Let me ask you something. In the 15 days you've been there, how many DOJ employees have said something to the effect of, thank God? A lot of them. I believe you. Look, look, I spent four years hearing from AUSAs, assistant U.S. attorneys, hearing from FBI agents, hearing from men and women who believe in the rule of law and were horrified.

at the politicization of the FBI and the DOJ. And so I know for a lot of good, honorable men and women who've devoted their careers to defending the Constitution, there's a lot of gratitude that they can get back to doing their job. Their core function, and that's thanks to Donald J. Trump getting back in office. And he gave us a clear directive: Make America safe.

And that's what we're going to do. You know, to start with the law enforcement agencies talking about cash, these men and women didn't go to Quantico. They're not risking their lives to waste their time on all this politicization and raiding Mar-a-Lago, really.

stopping. All of that is stopping. And we are returning them to their core function, fighting violent crime. And that's what the great majority of men and women in law enforcement, DEA, ATF, U.S. Marshals, FBI, as well as the incredible legal team at the Justice Department, that's what they want to do. So let's talk about one of the most lawless aspects of the last four years, which was the open borders that we saw and the 12 million illegal immigrants that have come into this country.

You've had just two weeks, but you've hit the ground running, going after the criminals, going after the murderers, going after the rapists, going after the child molesters, going after the Venezuelan gang members. Tell us, number one, what you're doing as attorney general that is making a real difference, that is already making America safer.

And number two, I understand you have some breaking news concerning my home state of Texas, which I'm particularly proud to hear. I do. I do. And the press really even out yet. Joint Task Force Alpha that we elevated once we came in office. It's with the

Department of Justice and the FBI, and we work hand in hand with Homeland Security. Kristi Noem is awesome. We all work so well together. Joint Task Force Alpha just made a huge arrest in Juarez, Mexico. They were headed to Texas, to El Paso, human smuggling. Yeah, huge. That's why

We do what we do every day. That's why these agents risk their lives every single day. It's human smuggling and a lot of children, a lot of children they're saying are safer because of this. Let me ask you a question. President Trump, and this has made headlines on what you were just talking about, we've designated these cartels as terrorist organizations.

What does that allow you to do in your job? And Kash Patel now is the head of the FBI. What is that going to give you the ability to do and to go after them? Well, Stephen Miller is doing a great job as we are, right?

Leading this effort with all of us, Mike Waltz at DOD, we all work so, Keith Hegseth, we all work so well together. And it gives us the ability, it gives, they are a terrorist group. And it gives us the ability to go after them more ability anywhere in the world and treat them as terrorists. They are terrorists. If you're bringing fentanyl into this country and killing our kids, you're a terrorist and we're coming after you.

300 a day is the average that are dying in this country right now. When you took this job and you hear that number and you saw the inaction from the last administration, how angry did that make you? So angry. You know, I was state AG before I became United States Attorney General. And fentanyl was really just coming on the market. And now with this horrible open border policy just flowing, flowing across our borders,

and killing kids, killing adults every single day. And it's criminal that no one was doing anything to stop it. I can't comprehend how any administration, progressive nor conservative, how any administration could tolerate that and let that happen. And it ended day one with Donald Trump when he shut that border. I was at the border back in September. I went with Laura Trump and Morgan Ortegas.

And we were in Yuma, Arizona. And I saw firsthand, there is nothing humanitarian that was happening at that border. Nothing. Nothing. They have a rape tree where they're raping women as they're coming into this country.

I saw firsthand piles and piles of passports just thrown from every country you can imagine because the Biden administration was letting you walk right in the country. If you didn't have a passport, they said they saw Asian Chinese individuals saying, oh, we're from Cuba. So they wrote down there from Cuba and had to let them legally walk right in under that administration. But the drugs, the trafficking, I learned a new term, disposable child.

The Customs, the Border Patrol agents told me that they saw a little boy and they kept recognizing the same little boy over and over and over coming in. Because if you came into our country as a family unit,

They just let you walk right in. This little child was being trafficked. Yes. Now, how they were getting him back to Mexico is beyond me. But they were bringing him time and time again. He wasn't their family. So who knows what happened to his parents? Well, and I will say a number of people in the room gasped at a term you use, which unfortunately is a real term.

rape tree. And it's something that we're seeing, we've been seeing for the last four years in Texas. We've seen it in Arizona that the cartels will go and violently rape women. They'll violently rape teenage girls, young girls, and then they will hang their underwear in the tree. And you'll find a tree down on the southern border with 10, 20 pairs of underwear as they're mocking law enforcement saying, we can do whatever we want.

And for four years, the Biden Justice Department, they just they just turned a blind eye and they facilitated it. You know, you talked about the kids. So they had a policy. If you arrive with a kid, it's essentially a get out of jail free card. And so you started seeing a phenomenon that we've never seen in immigration before, which is single young men showing up with little kids. Now, that's not a normal pattern of migration. But we started seeing that.

Military age men showing up with little boys and little girls, many of whom are physically and sexually assaulted in transit. And the same kid the cartels would recycle over and over and over again to bring in gang members, to bring in criminals. Now, let me ask this. What is most effective stopping the invasion at the southern border?

the border, closing our borders, which is what we've done. Donald Trump has closed our border. But now, of course, we all know we have so many of these illegal aliens, fighting age men, ages 18 to 35, in our country, walking around our country. And President Trump has given a strong directive on that. How concerned are you right now about the 12 million illegal aliens who came in under Joe Biden and about the risk of terrorism

of Hamas, of Hezbollah, of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the risk of terrorism targeting Americans across this country? It's a huge risk and we all know how bad it is now.

And that's what Donald Trump is committed to do, is to take these people out of our country, to prosecute them, to deport them, to get them off our streets. And that's what all of these law enforcement agencies are doing. You know, Lakin Riley, of course, that beautiful young woman, University of Georgia, Lakin Riley.

It's probably the most prominent name. But look how many Lake and Riley's are out there. One victim is too many. Jocelyn Numbury, Rachel Moran. Right. I mean, the numbers every day. And I got to say, so already in the first two weeks, you've sued New York, you've sued Chicago. You can clap for that. These sanctuary cities.

that are fighting, and I've got to say, Massachusetts in particular, actually in our last podcast we talked about this, how Massachusetts continues to this day to have violent child rapists, illegal immigrants, who they release on the streets and they refuse to notify ICE, they refuse, these are illegal immigrants who could be deported immediately, and the Massachusetts officials take criminals who violently rape little kids away

Let me ask you, what is your message to a mayor, to a local official who wants to defy federal immigration law? Well, our message is very clear. I sued Illinois first, Chicago first day, first day. And I gave a very strong warning. If you don't comply with the law, you're next. And guess who didn't listen? New York.

Kathy Hochul got sued. They all got sued in New York. And if you don't follow the law, you're going to be next because we are going to get violent criminals off our street. And, you know, Senator, it's more than that. They're endangering the lives of our great men and women in law enforcement. That's what people don't understand. When you're hiding illegal aliens from law enforcement, you're endangering their lives. It's going to stop. So let me ask you, two weeks into it,

You've been at DOJ. What's your assessment? Is it as bad as you thought it would be? Is it better? Is it worse? It's worse. Of course, it's now worse. You inherited chaos. Worse meaning, yeah, that department had completely lost its mission of fighting violent crime. Look what they did to President Trump. Look at the weaponization and weaponization ended.

And the deep state is very real. I think all of you in this room know that. It's very real. And people trying to undermine everything you're doing. You know, three weeks into it, I went in one department and found huge 20 by 20 glossies of Joe Biden, Merrick Garland and Kamala Harris still hanging up in my office. They're gone. They're gone. They're gone. And guess what's replacing it?

A very handsome photo of a man, Donald Trump.

Not the one in the hallway, right? That picture? That one. That one. Okay. I like that one. That one's in replacing. But I make light of that, but that's what's happening. You know, he had been in office three weeks and the deep state still had those pictures hanging. And to me, that's defiant. It's insubordination. Not going to happen. But, you know, what we said, most people, the majority of the people are great people who

went to law school, became prosecutors, became law enforcement agents to fight crime. You've spent your professional life as a prosecutor. Career. How important is it to you to go after bad guys and to get bad guys off the street and keep people safe? It means everything. And the drug epidemic, you know, the fentanyl just flowing into our country now, the terrorists, the gangs, TDA, Trans Day Agua, um,

MS-13, all of the gangs who are now terrorist organizations. We've got to stop them. And that's why we do what we do. And we all have to work together. And working with Homeland Security has been great, too. So one of the most shocking statistics from the prior administration is the number 300,000. 300,000 children

that the prior administration had in custody and that they lost, that they do not know where they are. We know that many of those children are being abused right now. Tell me about the efforts you and Homeland Security and the Trump administration, the efforts you are doing to find those children and to get them out of harm's way.

That's top priority, and that's Donald Trump's top priority, to find these victims and to save them. And that's what I don't—I truly can't comprehend how any administration would let that happen and not care. And that's what we're all fighting for. You know, you say—when you take a job with this incredible volume, you think, wow.

How do you do it? How do you how do you focus every day? And you do it by saying, if I can save one life, it's worth it. Well, it's a lot more than one. It is. That's how you start off one life. And it is thousands and ultimately more. So I want to say something to the folks here at CPAC, which is, as many of you all know, Ben and I do this podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz. We do it three days a week. We do it Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

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I want to ask you a question. It's one that I've been dying to ask you and it deals with all of the pardons that were given out from Joe Biden at the end. There were a lot that went to his family. It is what it is. There's one person he did not pardon. That would be himself. There are a lot of people who think there should be accountability. Should this be something that is looked at to see what he did while he was president? Don't you find it very interesting that they

attempted to prosecute the president for having documents in the most secure place in the world other than the White House, Mar-a-Lago, and he had the security clearance to take them. Yet Joe Biden, who had no security clearance to take them at the time, had them in his garage with his drug addict son going in and out of his garage. Yet what did they say about him? Too old to prosecute. Frail, frail old man. But listen,

Donald Trump and I have not talked about that at all. This is not about targeting. This is what they do to us. This is not about targeting. This is not about weaponization. This is about keeping America safe and going forward and prosecuting violent criminals. If you committed a crime in this country, no one is above the law. I will say that. No one is above the law.

So, Pam, the media are going crazy about New York Mayor Eric Adams and the charges that were dismissed against him. So glad you brought that up. Tell us what the story is, what happened there, and why were the charges dismissed? Sure. And Emil, who has done an incredible job, he worked on this case, he looked at this case. It was an incredibly weak case filed to make deportation harder.

That's why they did it. They took one of the biggest mayors in the country off the playing field in order to protect their sanctuary city. This case, it was so incredibly weak. It was about increases in airline tickets, upgrades in airline tickets in his official capacity without getting into all the details of the fact. I don't even think it could survive a verdict.

Excuse me. Incredibly weak case. That is the weaponization of government. That's lawfare. That's lawfare. When you're filing cases like that to keep someone who criticized Joe Biden, who said they took away his security clearance so he could not get the details, so he could not help enforce the deportation efforts in New York. And, you know, these people are going after him. Ride a subway in New York. It's not safe. Yep.

Violent crime is at an all-time high, and that's what they're doing. So it's not about weaponization. It's about ending their weaponization of the government and fighting violent crime and enabling cities like New York and mayors like Eric Adams to enforce Donald Trump's immigration policies.

I want to ask you and go back to something you said a moment ago. We were talking about cartels, and they have been able to set up networks, and we see this coming up now more often. We're controlling states and cities and states and the entire flow, and they've been able to do this and set it up without having to worry that anyone's going to stop them. We're seeing this not on border states, but all over the country, this network.

At what point do we get to start dismantling that? How long does that take? How much time is that going to take? Because they've been here for quite some time with the last administration. There's a lot I can't talk about now.

But very publicly, I think you've seen a lot happen. A lot is happening every day. Our great men and women in law enforcement are out there. It's a joint effort with our office and with Kristi Noem. And again, we all work so well together, whether it's Mike Walsh. Y'all are friends. I think people don't understand this. Like this is a group in this administration. And you and I have talked about this on the show.

You guys are friends. Like, y'all know each other before you got here. How important are those relationships that you say, hey, I trust you, I trust you, I trust you, I got your back, let's go to work? Vital and crucial. And Mike Watts and Christy, we're on the phone with each other all the time. And to change the topic just a little bit, just to give you an example, Lee Zeldin, a dear friend of mine. Great guy. On President's Day. Running the EPA now. EPA, Lee Zeldin, great administrator of EPA. I'm on the phone with...

Ours was Scott Besson, our Secretary of Treasury, and Lee Zeldin. And, you know, we've seen, thanks to Elon Musk, my buddy's great work. And it's been reported, look what they're doing at EPA. I'm changing the subject a little bit, but they're giving out billions of dollars after Joe Biden lost the election, trying to push this money out the door. Virtually shoveling cash out the windows. Yes.

As they said, goal bars. Let's throw all the goal bars off the ship. And we're stopping them. We're stopping them in real time. We're going after them. But it's because we all pick up the phone and we talk directly to each other. So we're able to work together. Talk to Marco Rubio.

Look at the men like Steve Witkoff out there, Rick Grenell, what they're doing working with Marco and Mike Walton, all the great, the people that they're saving around the world. And that's thanks to one man, Donald Trump. He put all of us in these positions because he believes in us.

is that you're all change agents. You all came in with a mission and it is, listen, there has never been a first month of any presidency in the history of the United States of America like the last 30 days. That's right. Amen. And I'll tell you, I have had great joy turning to my Democrat colleagues in the Senate and just deadpanning, well, three years and 11 months to go. LAUGHTER

And they literally start twitching. They have facial tics that they cannot suppress. But Pam, one of the things that people like about this podcast that we try to do is we try to bring people behind the scenes to actually understand what's going on behind closed doors. So tell us about

Your first day as Attorney General, you're confirmed. And like day one, when you get sworn in, just walk everyone through what day one of being Attorney General of the United States is like.

You go nonstop and I jokingly said it felt like 15 years because you're working seven days a week nonstop. When we're all working with each other, everything we do, it overlaps. And especially with Department of Justice, especially too with all this money going out the USAID, all of these agencies, and we're going to be helping all these agencies. But you just hit the ground running literally and

Don't look back. I don't look at what time of day it is. I don't think I've slept in 15 days. But you don't want to. And then when you find out about this human trafficking ring that was just broken up, it's just that's why we're all doing what we're doing.

And you just keep going forward. And our directive from our boss is so easy, especially on my end, make America safe. And so you just don't, Senator, you don't even, my boss,

My hardest thing now is I forget to eat. You forget what time it is. And it's six o'clock at night. Why do I have a headache? Because I haven't eaten today. But you're going nonstop. And it's not me. It's an entire team. I've got Chad Mizell. I've got Emil. I've got Todd Blanche. Thank goodness coming in. And we've got Kash Patel now. So they better look out. How nice is it to have a boss by the guy and guy by the name of Donald J. Trump?

Who just lets you do your job. Exactly. I mean, there's a lot of presidents in the past that have really tried to keep their thumb on people. It seems like he's saying, go. Go. And go get it done and call me when you need me. He has trusted all of us in all of our various capacities and all the different roles we have, whether it's education or agriculture, you know, all the cabinet, labor, all

of the different cabinet secretaries just to go out and do the best we can. And, you know, we want to make all of you proud. And we want to fulfill his directive to make our country great. That man sure didn't need that job. He's a good friend of mine. And I love during my confirmation hearing when they try, they get on me because they say I'm friends with Donald Trump. Yes, I'm very, no, I'm not friends with him. I'm good friends with him. And I'm very proud to work for him. Yeah.

You know, when you look at weaponization and politicization, part of it is using it to attack your political opponents. And we've seen four years of that under Joe Biden. Another part of it is turning the other way at your political allies and refusing to enforce the law against them. And I think one of the most egregious examples we've seen over the last two years is

is the rising anti-Semitism on college campuses. The violent protesters and rioters, many of whom are not students, are not affiliated with the universities, and they are threatening students. You look at Columbia University, the Orthodox rabbi there sent out an email to the Jewish students on campus and said, do not come to campus because the university cannot and will not keep you safe.

And the Biden Justice Department did nothing. They investigated nobody. They didn't follow the money. They didn't indict anyone. They didn't prosecute anyone. And they did not enforce Title VI of the civil rights laws, which say that if you are tolerating harassment on the basis of ethnicity or religion, that you will have your federal funds cut off. How is the Department of Justice different from

today and what will your approach be to anti-Semitism and threats of violence directed against Jewish students on campus or any other students on campus? We have an October 7th task force that we started and we will protect you. When I was just a citizen before I had this job, what you said, I'm watching these, these aren't peaceful protests. We all believe in peaceful protests.

Oh, I'm sorry, unless you're a liberal and you don't want a parent to quietly pray outside an abortion clinic, or you're a Catholic, or a parent at a school board, they're going to call you a domestic terrorist. I'm screaming at my TV watching these violent protests, you know, the last, since October 7th, you're watching this happen, and all of our students deserve to be saved. And first of all, these students who are here on visas...

who are threatening our American students need to be kicked out of this country. Amen. It is refreshingly simple to have an attorney general who has the approach that you're going to follow the law and enforce the law. And that sadly has been missing for the last four years. It's pretty basic, isn't it? It should not be complicated. Let me ask you,

What keeps you up at night? What scares you in the first two weeks in this job?

Pretty much everything. I don't sleep at night anymore. Of course, everything we talked about, the drugs, the cartels, the great, maybe I'll get a little sleep tonight based on the arrests that were just made, the children that are being trafficked, things that have been so personal to me since I was a state prosecutor and then since I was state attorney general. Now you just get to help people on a bigger level, which is pretty cool to get to do that. But most

Most recently, it's really been what Elon has been uncovering. And the USAID, the waste at EPA, this money, trillions of dollars, they believe, just being handed out, which is most likely making a round trip

Well, and you are on the front line of defending the president and Elon Musk and Doge and all the effort they're doing. And every day we are seeing Democrat attorneys general and Democrat interest groups suing the president, suing Elon Musk, suing the federal government and the Department of Justice is on the front lines. And sadly,

We're seeing left-wing activist judges, individual district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions. Tell us about what it's like defending against those lawsuits and give us your thoughts on the authority of one radical district judge to try to run the executive branch and issue a nationwide injunction. Two words: we're winning.

Yes, so you've got you've got one like that answer one unelected district judge trying to tell President Trump Who was elected overwhelmingly by the American people where federal funds can go? We're winning even in liberal courts, by the way, Senator we're winning if not, we're gonna go all the way to the Supreme Court and

and keep winning. Well, Pam, let me say you and I have been friends a long time. I am thrilled with the job you're doing. I'm thrilled. I was thrilled when the president announced your nomination. And let me say on behalf of 31 million Texans and Americans across this country, thank you. Thank you for stepping forward and answering the call. Thank you for pouring your heart out.

into defending this nation, into keeping my kids safe, keeping Ben's kids safe, keeping all of our kids safe. And thank you for remaining faithful to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and restoring integrity to the Department of Justice. It is desperately needed and you're doing a hell of a job. Thank you, my friend. And thank you for fighting for us every day. Thank you guys here for being here as well. Don't forget, we do this show Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So make sure that subscribe, auto-download button...

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