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Welcome, everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. I am a dad. So you now got two dads talking to you here on the show. Clay, an old grizzled veteran of fatherhood. Me, new. Gray bearded. Gray bearded dad. I'm a rookie to this fatherhood thing, but I have to tell you, I absolutely love it. And I appreciate so much all of the just the kind words and well wishes and everything from the moms and dads out there and everybody out there.
who were so kind as I was out for a few days. Carrie, my wife, a total trooper, never lost her temper, never was anything other than upbeat during a pretty long time in the hospital. I was going to say we got through it. She got through it. I was there for moral support.
And the only thing I learned is probably next time, wait until my wife is out of the hospital before I'm like, when can we have more? So I was like, can we do two or three of these? This is awesome. So yes, the baby thing is incredible. And if I see him a little even more,
upbeat and a bullion about the future than ever it's because well you all those of you who have had kids you know exactly what I'm talking about and the grandparents out there you know that you just it just kind of puts you in a frame of mind and a mood so everything is great Carrie's doing fantastically baby's adorable healthy everything is great thank you so much Clay thank you for rocking out I was listening when I was out because you know
As one does when you're just sitting around in the hospital, talk radio is like your salvation when you are stuck in a hospital room for hours and hours on end.
So I was listening to the podcast and stuff, great shows. And I say we just jump right into it, and if you guys want to talk more fatherhood ideas or the first few weeks or anything, we can just throw that into the mix as we go. But yes, I'm in kind of a walking on cloud nine attitude, as I'm sure you all understand. It was fantastic. But we've got a country to save, and we've got a lot of things going on as well. So let's just lay out there that we'll discuss this topic
The situation, Clay, of of this individual who has been sent the case of Gilmar Abrego Garcia, who has been sent to El Salvador and now it's in the it's in the courts and the libs are saying Trump has to bring him back. And Trump's like, that's foreign policy related. A judge can't actually review it. So we'll discuss this. I think it's very interesting. I also threw out an idea on Twitter, which I don't think is crazy. Maybe this is crazy, but I don't think this is crazy.
Trump International El Salvador. I think it would send such a signal. This country is incredibly safe. He's talked about it in Gaza, for heaven's sakes, which is not incredibly safe. I think that this would send such a signal that great allies of the United States, people that make the right decisions, and I think it's a lovely place. The problem with El Salvador used to be that it was the murder capital of the world per capita or in the top three. Now it's the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. So I think...
Time to start putting in some some foreign investment. I think the Trump International or whatever they want to call it, Trump San Salvador would be a pretty cool. So if anyone has a line into Eric Trump of the Trump Organization, I just think it's an interesting idea. But, Clay, I want to start with this one. The Trump let's just say what it is, the Trump war on woke campuses.
and Harvard University has found out the Trump administration is going to freeze $2 billion that had been committed to this. It is tax day today, which we'll talk more about. So as Clay pointed out to me before the show, I think this is a particularly worthwhile time for us to say, hold on a second. So the government...
backs the student loans with no risk to these institutions whatsoever. And so that lets them jack up the tuition endlessly. When my dad went to Harvard Business School, Clay, he was a dock boy, that's what they called him, and waiting tables over the summer to make money to pay. And you could. Harvard Business School was like two grand for the year, for the semester. This is obviously like 1970. But...
Now these schools are 80 grand, 75, 80 grand a year. It's outrageous. And on top of that, they're getting billions of dollars of research money and their left wing lunacy factories. I like that Harvard and a bunch of other schools are getting some heat from the Trump team and that this is a real initiative. This is they're not just coming up with this ad hoc. They want to make universities abide by the spirit of not only the Constitution, but the American ethos.
This is where Hillsdale College gets it right. And I'm not saying that just because they're a sponsor. I love a lot of what they put out into the educational ecosystem on a variety of different levels. But think about this.
It is tax day, and I'm sure many of you are like me, stroking checks that you don't want to stroke to send to a government that you feel is likely to be wasting the money that you are giving them and that you could spend that money or save that money or utilize that money that you earned better than the government could. I am with you. Our tax rates are far too high. Okay, with that being said...
Right now, colleges get, and team, you can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think this is pretty much true everywhere.
They get tens of billions of dollars in direct cash payments from the American taxpayer. That should end, and we'll talk about that in a moment. But we're giving them property tax subsidies in almost every city and state, and we are giving them tax exemption, meaning that their endowments can grow without having to be taxed in the same way that yours and mine's earnings are taxed.
If you give them property tax exemptions and you give them not-for-profit status so they don't have to pay taxes, the taxpayers are already subsidizing colleges and universities to a massive degree to build on what Buck said. Then we also subsidize student loans and try to take the risk from the university itself and place it on the American taxpayer, our government.
Why in the world are we also giving them tens of billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies? I don't think any college or university should get any of our taxpayer dollars. I think a subsidy on property taxes and on not-for-profit status should give them plenty, plus their endowments, let them actually deal with their own cost structure. Right. I mean, there are limits on these things, right? You think about religious institutions, they are tax-exempt.
But you tend to people understand why proselytizing, for example, if that's if the government was funding that there'd be an issue. Right. Well, why are universities getting all this money that they can then use to pay salaries, administrative costs, all this other they say it's for research purposes.
as if they're all running DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Project Agency out of the Pentagon. They're all figuring out how to give sight to the blind, really important, amazing stuff. I guarantee, if you think there's fraud, waste, and abuse in the federal government, just wait until you see what the administrative staffs of universities have turned into. This has been true across education, by the way. My friend Ines Felcher has done great work on this, Clay. Something like...
administrative headcount, and this is true from nursery and public schools and the very beginning of education all the way up through universities and PhD programs, administrative staff has grown at breakneck pace in the last 20 or so years like six times what actual teaching staff has.
So whatever you think about how fast teaching staff is growing and the administrative staff, and this is where you get DEI. This is where you, I mean, meaning people that that's their job. We had diversity deans at my college. That was an actual job title. And there were a lot of them. And their job was to just march around and make sure that you never said a naughty thing or took a non-approved position in public online.
on the town square in the College Green, or you'd be in trouble. You'd have to go to re-education camp, which did happen to people, I might add. That was one of the punishments. You'd have to go and do sensitivity training, essentially, Clay.
And the other part of this that I love is the, so yes, the tax, a lot of you are saying, why are my tax dollars going to subsidize? Harvard has a, what's the endowment? $60 billion, something like that? I was talking about that yesterday, and I meant to look up what the, I'm going to look it up right now, because again, it's outrageous. Yes. Yes. I mean, this is an amazing amount of money that they have piled together. $53 billion as of last year. That's astonishing.
And so you sit here and you say, well, hold on a second. As you're getting ready to, you know, or hopefully you've already got it in, but if you're getting it in the last minute, pay your taxes and you're trying to make ends meet. Harvard, with its tens of billions of dollars sitting in the bank and all these bloated salaries for professors who maybe teach a class once a week and take sabbaticals of a year where they get paid and all that. I mean, the waste and everything in this is mad. The other part of this, Clay, is
The university system, we have to be on the same way the federal bureaucracy has become a province of the left and essentially a form of permanent left-wing governance that is not about elections, right? The federal bureaucracy, the EPA until Trump came along was Democrats getting what they want, whether it was a Republican or a Democrat administration. The university system, it's the same thing.
It's who wins, who loses doesn't change. The faculty at Harvard doesn't change the board of overseers. And they are factories of the left wing insanity that has infected so much of this country in recent years. They're not teaching people important stuff. They're teaching people left wing nonsense. And so I think it's time that they're held to account. I just think at a bare minimum, if you want to have complete independence, you should do what Hillsdale College did.
Harvard has $53 billion in their endowment. They have, again, it's not like they have to pay a massive amount of tax on that endowment every year. They return around 8%, 9%, 10% probably a year on average. So they're growing that at a $5 billion a year clip.
I don't think that a government should be in the business of dictating to colleges exactly what they can do. But if you take our taxpayer dollars, then the government does have a say in what you do. I mean, that's been established for a long time. Go back and read Bob Jones. I put in my constitutional law hat.
when the government gives you money, they have a right to be involved in the way that you run your college and university. And I think the biggest solution here as we sit on tax day is why are we giving billions of dollars in subsidies, tens of billions of dollars in direct cash subsidies from our tax dollars to these universities?
They should be able to make their business, which is the university, work without needing any money from the federal government at all. If they can't, they've got to cut back like most businesses would that don't have tens of billions of dollars in federal dollars coming in.
And I know what they're going to do now. They're going to say the research grants that they're going to try to promote. The New York Times is going to come forward. Because remember, this is like the cathedral of the left. This is so important to them to have dominance, not just of...
of education in a broad sense clay but of elite educational institutions they have c so-called elite they have seized these places and leverage them for their own maximum benefit they turn into indoctrination factories for kids to come out with yeah i know not everybody i went to amherst you know you went to you went to law school at vanderbilt you can go to these places and not come out a communist but
I'm sure Vanderbilt's probably, well, I don't know. How left-wing is Vanderbilt? I think Vanderbilt is actually committed a credit to the new chancellor of Vanderbilt. They kicked all the protesters out. They have the University of Chicago free speech code.
It's been solidly committed. They just re-signed the chancellor for 10 years. I'm really very confident in the direction Vanderbilt's going, but I hope that other schools follow that lead, and I don't think it's coincidental that Vanderbilt's able to go that direction while being based in a state like Tennessee. Well, that's what I was going to say. Because I think the SEC schools in general, Buck, are a little bit different than your Northeastern Ivy League schools.
As the weather gets better, the schools get less insane. Not always true, but, you know, I know there's Duke and there's some exceptions to this. But as things get warmer, I think you tend to have less. The most radical stuff is in the Northeast. It's in the areas where I went to school. That's where you have the craziest stuff. Maybe the Pacific Northwest, too. But there's nothing that really can compare to how crazy those places are, how, you know, Brown University, Wesleyan University, these institutions.
But, Clay, I would just say I think this is important. You know, Stephen Miller is reportedly very much involved with this working group that's going after it. And I think it's necessary to put these universities on notice because
They've been engaged in racism. According to the Supreme Court, they've been engaged in racism for a long time. These are racist institutions that are getting... These are constitutional violators. They are violating the right that all of us have to be judged not by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character or by our SAT scores. They are in violation and still to this day, they're trying to just pull all these games. So part of... We can get into some of what the...
Trump administration wants them. They want an end to all DEI programs. This is to continue to get federal funding. They want access to admission records because they know that all these schools are just...
They're ignoring the Supreme Court. They're just going to keep doing what they did, which is making sure that they have, you know, the percentage of black students they want, the percentage of Native American students they want and so on and so forth. They're going to do that, even though that's a violation of what the Supreme Court has said. So I think this is I think this is great. And it also is going to change people's thinking, because one of the things.
You know, Clay, I'll be honest about this. Whenever I would have, I don't know what your experience was with this, whenever, you know, earlier on, particularly my media career, like young conservatives would reach out to me and they would say, I have a professor who is a communist, like I'm going to write a paper that really tells him. And I said, no.
I said, no, because I want you to get the best possible. I'm not saying don't lie. Like, don't write things that you'd be embarrassed by. But don't think you're going to die on this hill and be a hero by getting an F as a student at some school. Your parents are paying God knows how much money to set or that you're taking out loans to go to get the best job. You can be as successful as you can help change the country when you get out of that place, because you're not going to change it really effectively from the inside.
I think the mystique of a lot of these places is fading. And that's part of the power the left has counted on. Like, oh, I went to Harvard. Even let me look at some of the people went to Harvard. They're morons.
I know this. Your wife went to the University of Florida. It's almost impossible to get into the University of Florida. We were just talking to one of our neighbors whose boy wants to go there, and they're talking Ivy League equivalent SAT scores, or ACT, I guess, if you're in the South. Ivy League equivalent scores to get into University of Florida now. Everybody wants to go.
University of Tennessee. Buck, when I was a kid, 17, 18 years old, you basically had to have a pulse to get into the University of Tennessee. They have tens of thousands of applicants now. It's become increasingly difficult to get in there. University of Georgia, it's almost impossible. UF. I mean, what's happening is people are voting with their actual dollars. And I'll tell you this.
When I was a kid, nobody from Chicago, L.A., or New York City would brag about sending their kid to an SEC school. Now they all do. That's a major cultural shift. You know, I'm sitting here, and I'm doing well. My wife, obviously, is the one who did all the hard work to give our son life in this world or bring him into this world. And...
I got to say, my energy has been pretty good, and I only missed a couple of days. I'm excited to be back. But part of it is that for about six months now, I've been on a health journey. And chalk, I've got my chalk daily right here in my hand. Chalk has been an important part of that. Yeah, we had some lost sleep last week. But you know what? I'm able to bounce back faster. I have more energy. One of the things I was really lacking before, I just got to a point where I didn't have
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The program here, we've been breaking down a lot of different stories out there. Buck back, new dad, baby in the house. Very exciting. We'll continue to talk about that. Appreciate all the fabulous responses we've gotten so far. So, Buck, I want to hit this story because I think it's important and I think it ties in with a little bit about what we were discussing, which is the inability to distinguish between good and evil.
And in particular, this story is from Texas, north of Dallas, I believe Frisco, Texas. And for those of you who did not hear about this story, a 17-year-old Austin Metcalf was stabbed to death at a track meet by another 17-year-old named Carmelo Anthony.
Anthony has been arrested. He's been charged with the crime. He admits that he did it. It appears that his argument is going to be predicated on some form of self-defense. In other words, there is no disputing that he had a knife and that he stabbed this kid in the heart and killed him. The 17-year-old who was stabbed to death, Austin Metcalf, died in his twin brother's arms.
This is an awful story. It has received a substantial amount of attention. In the wake of the stabbing, the family of Carmelo Anthony set up a legal defense fund, and it was hosted by an individual company, and that fund has raised over $400,000. $400,000.
Now, to be fair, the company that is allowing this fund to be raised is the same one. Their position is, hey, you should be able to raise money for your legal defense. We're not going to make decisions based on what you're charged with, what your race is. They are going to allow it to be set up no matter what. So this is not GoFundMe. This is another one. But he's raised over $400,000. They just lowered...
His bail from $1 million to $250,000. Since you only have to pay 10% usually in order to get bail, that's just $25,000 of the $400,000 plus that has been raised for him. The family bought a new house, Buck.
The family has reportedly bought a new house with the $400,000 that has been raised for this 17-year-old who is accused of in cold blood murdering another 17-year-old at a track meet. Stabbed him in the heart, killed him. What does it say?
For society today, I think you can tie this in with the Luigi Mangione case. I think you can tie it in with what happened on October 7th.
That someone can stab teenage boys, one can stab the other one in the heart, and over $400,000 can be raised. The bail can be reduced, which seems crazy to me. He's only having to pay $25,000. And they're buying a house with all of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations that has rolled in the family. Well, here's how I would want to approach this, Clay, is,
There are almost 20,000 murders and non-negligent manslaughter cases in the United States every year, right? Depends on the year, but let's call it roughly 20,000 murders a year in this country. That's right. One kind or another. Why is this murder...
getting or alleged murder right this is legally what we're supposed to say but why is this incident and the facts aren't in dispute it's not like he's saying i didn't stab him he stabbed him to death yeah everyone saw it this is a so why are there people who are donating money for this legal defense who have never donated money for anyone else's legal defense
Why is there this groundswell of people who want to assist the Carmelo Anthony family here? Not the Metcalf family, notably. Not the family that just lost their boy for absolutely no reason whatsoever in the most vicious and violent way. They don't care about that family. They care about the Carmelo Anthony family. I think we have to ask this question, and I don't think that there's a...
A single answer. I think there are there are many different answers. I think that there are people who like to believe different narratives. I think there are people who like to feel like they are advancing the cause of justice by assisting those who are oppressed. It's one way of saying it.
because this is the other thing. I'm seeing people who are saying it's self-defense. This is the line that you are hearing everywhere. And unfortunately, that is an outrageous claim under these circumstances. Yes. Because what they're doing is they're saying, well, Carmelo Anthony had a credible fear or a reasonable fear of his own safety and or life, and so he reacted in this way.
If this is self-defense, anybody who has a crossword with anybody in any high school anywhere across the country can murder that person in cold blood in front of their family members at a crowded event and get away with it.
And anyone who is donating money to this individual is really donating money to the most toxic and cynical and divisive aspects of American politics. I think that they are and society. I think that they are really adding fuel onto the fire here of a lot of discontent and resentment.
And let's just be honest about this. They've decided that because this kid is black, they are going to back him to the greatest degree possible
while he stabbed this white kid to death. And you want to ask, why is that? Are they trying to, is this supposed to be some kind of a reckoning moment? Are they trying to force some kind of OJ situation here where it doesn't matter what he did? I mean, what exactly is the point that they make with all this monetary and public support of this 17-year-old who stabbed another kid to death in front of his dad?
I'll go time to kill for a second time today, but can you imagine the reaction if a white kid stabbed a black kid to death at a track meet, gets his bail reduced from $1 million to $250,000, raises over $400,000, and the family buys a new house with it?
It would be the very definition of white privilege. Everybody. People would be saying that it's a resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan or something. I mean, they would be saying it's a white supremacist groundswell. That's what the media and I don't just mean totally media would be saying that there would be protest marches. It would be everywhere. And I don't begrudge producer Ali says, well, how in the world are you going to defend, argue self-defense? He has no other defense.
So, again, I've been a criminal defense attorney. I don't begrudge the argument of self-defense when you admit that you stabbed somebody in the heart with a knife. Well, hold on. That applies to the lawyer. I'm talking about people that are buying this and saying, I'm going to give money to try to help this family. Why does Carmelo Anthony's family should be begging for forgiveness and saying, we're sorry that our son murdered somebody for no reason?
Yes, he has no defense. So the only defense he has is self-defense. So yes, that's the legal. That makes sense. That's the lawyer's job. That's the only defense he has. But why would anybody else buy into that? And how in the world do you reward the family who has failed? Look, if your 17-year-old, white, black, Asian, or Hispanic, stabs another kid to death at a school event,
You failed as a parent in some way. I'm sorry. You did. So the idea that the parent would be rewarded, you can't tell me that the kid took a knife to school. If you are taking knives to school, this goes for anybody out there, your kids, your grandkids, something's wrong. I told my kids this recently.
I said, hey, I understand that people have guns. If you're a high school kid and you find yourself out with other high school kids who have loaded weapons, you've made a very poor decision. You need to extricate yourself from that situation. If you find yourself taking knives that could be used to stab someone to death to school, you have failed in some way as a parent to allow that situation to occur.
And so I really, yeah, I agree with a lot, of course. But who is donating to this? Like the real, real thing. What is the mentality? Why are you giving money to this? He has been assigned $400,000, not even just donating, donating tons of money. This is what I mean. Who is giving money for this? And what is the mentality behind that?
You would have to, to truly believe this was a self-defense case, you would have to be such a moron that you can't spell self-defense. There's just no way. It's not possible. I think it's identity politics. I think it's purely, hey, this is a black kid who killed a white kid. I would bet if you go and look at the donors, I think a large majority of them would be white liberals. Yeah.
whose brains are broken, and I think black people who are buying into the idea that because this black kid stabbed a white kid, that he is somehow the victim and he's being cashiered by the media and attacked unfairly. So I think if you went and looked, I think this is the other thing, Buck. I think this would be 95% Kamala Harris voters, right? If they voted at all, 95%. It's all Democrats who are donating the money, 100%. But I mean, when you think about
Again, I just the mentality of somebody. So is it for some of these individuals? It's you know, there's like guilty white liberal, you know, guilty conscience, white liberals who think I'm just going to help this young black kid because he made like a mistake and I don't want his whole life. So they're going to write a check, even though he murdered somebody or allegedly murdered somebody. Right. And and then you I guess you have members of the black community who are just deciding, well, he's black, so I'm going to stand with him in this.
But to that, I just want to say, why would you stand with this black murderer and not any of the others? Why are you picking this? Because it's a high-level case where he killed a white guy? What message are people trying to send?
I think the message of racial division. Here's another question and I think answer that makes this story, again, I hate that this is a story, but I do think it is a snapshot of the world in which we live for some people. If he had stabbed a black kid,
which is far more common, right? Most victims of racial violence are the same race. If he had stabbed a black kid to death, same exact situation, but the kid's black. Not one person, by and large, would have heard about it. Nobody would have raised money for him.
I doubt they would have dropped his bail. I bet that it would have barely made local Dallas news. It certainly wouldn't have become a national story. White kids' lives, in the eyes of the media, are worthy of cover when they are taken violently in a situation like this.
It's happened so regularly to young black men that if a young black man kills another young black man, it's barely a blip on the national radar. The only reason this is a story is because there was race involved. If it's black on black crime, not a story at all. That's the other part of this. And nobody donates to the guy of the $400,000 buck. I bet he wouldn't have been able to raise $4,000 if he had stabbed another black kid to death.
Think about the poison that will be injected into the veins of the American populace if this kid is either hung jury or gets off, which you can't discount as a possibility. All you need is one jury. Don't know what the jury jury just needs one.
Right. And now what we've seen is there's a movement to make this kid into some kind of a victim. The facts are not in dispute. OK, you don't at an event at a high school event where there's people everywhere. You don't get to just pull a knife out and stab somebody in. By the way, I've said this to friends of mine, too, Clay, because this this does matter. You know, you can pull a knife out and it's a bad thing to do, obviously. But if you pull a knife out.
You know, you slash somebody on the arm. You know, you kind of go like, hey, buddy, like the next one. For most people, if you pull a knife out, it ends the entire confrontation without you even having to wave it anywhere. People are like, dude, chill, I'm out. To stab somebody in the heart is to go for intentional lethal force right away when you're under no threat. It is vicious. It is barbarous. And this kid should spend the rest of his life
In prison. I mean, I know the Supreme Court said he's not 18, so they won't, you know, you can't go beyond life in prison. But the fact that people are raising money for this is, it's just appalling. How about dropping the bail? Why is the bail getting dropped from $1,250,000? All you have to pay is $25,000 to get out of prison after you stab somebody to death.
That seems wild to me. How do you think if you're a J6 defendant who walked into the Capitol building for like three minutes and took a selfie and you were denied a trial for over a year while you sat in solitary confinement in D.C., how would you look at this? I know it's all the federal versus state. Yeah, but it's all our justice system. Does that seem fair to anybody? Look, we're having this conversation, and I think it's an important moment to just remind all of you
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Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. A lot of people rolling in with reactions to the story. And again, I think from down in Texas, the stabbing, family buying a brand new home. Let me tell you something, Buck.
$400,000 gets you a really good home in many parts of Texas. That is not even just a... That's a really good home that they're buying off legal defense fund donations. Now, I question whether that's legal because if you're raising money under the auspices of, hey, we're going to retain really good...
who could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, criminal defense attorneys could, and then you use the money that you ostensibly were raising for legal defense to buy a home, that seems like a misappropriation of the funds that were raised in the way that they're being used. Paying the bail money, that would be somewhat understandable because it is connected. The fact that the bail was dropped from $1 million to $250,000 is crazy to me.
The fact that you can kill someone and get out of prison for $25,000 blows my mind. I don't know the standard dollars that are applied here. Again, for people who don't know, usually you have to put forward about 10% of the bail money and the other parts covered. But the fact that that could end up in this situation... Alan Dershowitz, Cut29, is saying...
What we just said, which is, and it's interesting because Alan Dershowitz was one of the defense attorneys for OJ Simpson, but he is saying, hey, if the race dynamics here were reversed, everybody would be talking about it in a totally different way. Here's cut 29. This is all about who the jury is. This will all be determined by the jury. If the racial factors were reversed, if a white man had
killed an unarmed black man, everybody would be on the reverse side of this. We live in a society where everything is judged by race. You know, the Bible says to judges and prosecutors, don't recognize people, just do abstract justice. We're way, way, way beyond that. If the racial elements were reversed here, virtually all the people who are calling for him to be acquitted would be calling for him to be convicted and vice versa. Let's not kid ourselves. We live in a race-
conscious society and jury selection, which, of course, your other guest is so brilliant that and did so well in the Zimmerman case is the outcome of this case without a doubt.
So he's saying the jury selection, as we kind of hinted at, Buck, would determine. Now, I don't know what the makeup of juries in Frisco, Texas, typically is. But again, I'm just focused on what we know has happened here. Stabbing definitely occurred. Only defense is self-defense. That seems very weak to me from a legal perspective. And the family has now bought a new multi-hundred-thousand-dollar home in
And he's only had to pay $25,000 to get out of prison for this. He is profiting, and his family is directly profiting, off of murdering in cold blood a completely innocent 17-year-old at a track meet. And I'll take some of the calls. Some people are saying, well, this could be self-defense. I'm sorry. No, actually, it cannot be self-defense because there's no reasonable way to explain how a verbal dispute overseats
could turn into I have to pull a knife out of my bag and stab you in the heart with it. If that now is the standard of self-defense, anybody who doesn't like anyone else can basically get away with killing them and say, I don't like what he said to me. I was scared. I feared for my life because I don't like the look in his eyes. I also think the point you raised is a really good one.
You should not have a knife that is capable of murdering somebody with ever at school or at school related events. But for 99.9% of people in America, if somebody pulls a knife, the dispute is over.
Right. There are not very many people who are going to if you are unarmed and someone holds a knife to you, most of us are not going to be crocodile Dundee and pull out a bigger knife and be that's not a knife. This is a knife. Right. Actually, I trained with some guys from Fort Bragg who are edge weapons guys back in the day. Just a little introductory stuff. I'm not, you know, Tommy Lee Jones in the hunted.
which is a pretty cool movie for all the knife fighting they do if you haven't seen it. But anyway, but I did some introductory stuff with them, Clay. And one thing they just said, they're like, you have to understand, if somebody has a knife and you're barehanded, you're just trying to get out alive, but you're going to get cut. You're going to get stabbed.
And you know, you're in a lot of trouble. If somebody has a knife and they know what they're doing, you're going to die. Like you're basically the disadvantage is much stronger than everyone sees these things in the movies were like they catch someone's wrist when they're about to get stabbed and they go like karate chop karate chop. That's not how it works.
I've seen videos of teams, SWAT teams in a stack coming in and a guy has a knife and he's able to stab. You know, they do this. It's training, right? But they'll show on video. He was able to get like two or three carotid strikes on these guys before they could even shoot him. And that's and so this is what people don't realize. Like a knife is a far more lethal tool than most people understand. And to stab somebody in the heart, that's not I mean, that is that you went he went for a effectively a kill shot right off the bat.
And you may have seen some of the data on this. Many people stabbing someone with a knife. We talked about this in the context of the Idaho murders, right? The allegation about the girls who were all sliced up and everything else. It is, for many people, a far more violent personal crime.
and sociopathic in many ways way to kill someone than the remote nature of a gun. And I'll give you an example historically, Buck. You know, in the Civil War, every musket by and large had a bayonet.
But actual hand-to-hand and bayonet fighting was very rare in the war by and large because it was seen as so much more violent and brutal and nasty to be trying to stab someone with a sharpened bayonet on the end of your rifle than to stand and shoot at people from a distance. In other words, this is a particularly violent choice that this 17-year-old made because
And for him to be being rewarded for it and for it to be largely ignored in the national consciousness is, I think, just a sign of our inability to distinguish good and evil.
Something else that I would just say, because this is obviously already playing out so much in the press, so it's not like they're holding back. There's not some big reveal that's coming about facts we don't know. If there was some relevant basis for the self-defense claim, like, oh, I thought he said he had a gun and he reached for it, which there's nothing like that at all. But if there was something like that, you would already know.
Yes, because they would want that out there because they know a jury pool is going to be formed and they would want, you know, there is that there is this kid was in the wrong place. Anthony, he was in the wrong place. And this kid, you know, it's sports. People get a little, you know, Clay, you know all about this. People can get a little riled up about their sports teams or whatever. He's like, hey, you're in the wrong place. They exchange some words.
And then he says, well, he, like, grabbed his backpack or something. I think that's my understanding of how this went down.
And someone grabbing your backpack. Again, the context matters. This isn't a dark alley with two people. These are two people who are rival high schools. There's parents. There's adults around their security there. They're in broad daylight. They're in public. There is no reasonable basis for believing that your life is in jeopardy and you need to kill somebody with the knife that you kept in your bag. I would also throw this out there.
Is it legal to have a knife on school grounds like this? No. Of course not. So he's got an illegal weapon, everybody. Why haven't you heard that more? Why haven't you heard more that Carmelo Anthony was carrying an illegal weapon? You think that wouldn't come up if this was a little bit different? I remember, because some of you have called in about, what about Rittenhouse? And we could talk about that all day, because I actually know...
Richie McGinnis, who was there an eyewitness and had to testify about it. And the guy that Kyle Rittenhouse shot attacked him and one of them had a gun in his hand.
when he was shot. Okay? So this is not even a vaguely comparable situation, but the Democrats were all saying, well, he took a gun and maybe he crossed state lines with it. So it's like, well, he was allowed to have a rifle in Wisconsin, but if he took it from Michigan and crossed state lines with it, maybe that, because they were desperate to make it seem like it was illegal for him to have the gun. That was the whole game. And also they were trying to make it look like he was crossing state lines with a weapon to try to kill someone.
Even though it was just a suburb and it's like he lived 10 minutes from the state line or whatever. For people who live close to a state border, crossing state lines is not actually that big of a deal in many of your lives. This is what I mean. All of a sudden they became legal formalists and extremely detailed about any possible violation when it came to Kyle Rittenhouse. But this kid's carrying a knife long enough to kill somebody. That's also a thing.
I mean, you really, you know, I mean, I could get into this, but there's actually a length of blade that is able to puncture places that can puncture and kill somebody. I mean, you can get into some of the specifics of this. I'm sure some of you from the military side have edge weapons training. You know what I'm talking about? There's a length of blade that makes it possible. You know, if you have a basically if you have a two inch Swiss Army knife. Yeah. I mean, you could stab somebody with it and you could do harm, but it's very, very hard to.
You know, to puncture the sternum, very, very hard to get into the sub subclavial artery and the, you know, kind of the neck sternocleidomastoid region. It's very hard to do that. If you have a knife, it's long enough. It's actually not hard to do that at all. And this kid clearly did. And I just come back to if you truly were worried about the situation, the minute you pull the knife out, everybody's done.
Right. Ninety nine. Unless you are Jason Bourne, people are not trying to disarm you without a weapon of their own. That that entire interaction would have been over the minute he brandished the knife. If he truly felt threatened, everybody would have been like, whoa, dude. All right. And then and then everyone walks away alive. And this kid maybe is suspended or expelled from school and goes before a judge and maybe does 60 days in juvie and is told, do you ever do something to this again? You're in big trouble.
But, you know, no. Stabbed him in the heart. Stabbed him in the heart. You're going to tell me he didn't know what he was doing? Think about the mentality. And also this thing, too, the truth. Oh, you know, he's a really good kid, too. I'm like, you know, guys, please. All right. There's been no sense of any, no sense of remorse, Clay, from anyone who is taking Carmelo Anthony's side in this at all.
No sense of sadness for the loss of Austin Metcalf. No sense of, oh, my gosh, what a... Now they're trying to say it's a tragedy on both sides. Yeah. No. No. No, actually, it's a tragedy on one side. It's a criminal and a tragedy. It's not the same thing. And I mentioned this. I should have circled back to it. There will be wrongful death lawsuits, I would imagine.
If this individual is convicted, or even if he is not, the standard of liability is beyond, like clearly this guy would be guilty, culpable for the monetary damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, which is what would happen in a civil context. The standard of proof is much lower. So yes, the family could theoretically seize back the,
this home. But I would suggest this violates the donation terms to be buying a home instead of actually retaining a lawyer, which is what people were donating for. Well, at this point, you know, I think the bigger question will be, does he does he take this all the way to trial? And does he think that he can get a jury? You know, does the defense for Anthony think that they can get it all they needed? Clay knows very well, better than better than most. All you need is one person on that jury. I just says, nope.
Not happening. Even if the rest of them say, come on, it's obvious. Hung jury. And then things get messy. And then does the state want to retry this? And you get into all this stuff. It's not that hard. And it looks like they're gearing up for that. And I just, the message that this would send the country is terrible in all counts,
In all ways, it is really, really bad. And so it would be... What I mean by this, Clay, is even the people who are clearly rooting for Carmelo Anthony in this situation, it would be better for them, too, if he actually faces justice and has to...
You know, and has to serve time for this. I mean, that that is actually better for everyone, better for the country. But we'll see if that ends up happening. Look, we're talking a lot about self-defense here. And, you know, I'm a dad now. And one of the profound things you have and the dads out there all know this. Some of the moms know this, too. But you have this little being and you do anything to protect them. Right. And you feel that way. You also want to have the means.
And that can involve force escalation. And look at how important we're talking about a story where there was no force escalation and somebody used a weapon the wrong way. I want you to be able to defend yourselves in the right way and have non-lethal options to keep yourself safe.
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Just a brief addendum or update to something we mentioned in the first hour about how Trump and the White House are going after these woke universities, holding them to account, saying no more free ride on federal tax dollars. Trump has now said that he is considering taxing Harvard University.
As a political entity, which this goes to show you he's not backing down on this at all. I think one component of the Trump administration that I really like and I think is very effective and very in the moment, you know, it's it's a Trump knows what time it is strategy. And that is the offense, offense, offense.
Meaning do things, go for things, go after the parts of this country, whether it's institutions or it's deep state or it's bureaucracies or whatever. Go after the problems everywhere, all at once with everything that you can lawfully under the Constitution. Great example of this, Clay. The border numbers year over year for March have come in.
And this March, there were something like 7,000 encounters at the border the entire month. I think the previous year there were 137,000.
So, yeah, it can be done. Right. We we don't notice we don't spend as much time talking about the border on the show. We were we were banging the drums and, you know, hitting all the alarms for years on this program because we needed to because of how insane it was. And I think we were as focused on it as absolutely anybody else out there, perhaps more so. I think it was one of the primary issues that propelled Trump and the Republicans to this enormous victory they had in this last election. But Clay.
There are still there's still a lot to be done and they're moving on all fronts. That then takes me to the deportation component of this and how the Democrats have decided that this is really this is an area where they want to fight. They want to dig in. And it brings me to Kilmar Abrego-Garcia.
Now, he is an alleged MS-13 gang member. Stephen Miller has been absolutely en fuego on the television talking to people who will listen, at least, about how this is not a close call. This is no longer under the authority of any federal judge to try to change or overturn. And here is a former attorney general of the state of Florida, my home state, Pam Bondi, now the U.S. attorney general, who is just saying, look, the people that
are telling Bukele, the president of El Salvador, that he has to give this guy back, this gang member back. They're living in a fantasy world. Play one. Listening to all these liberal reporters, they keep calling him a Maryland man. He's not a Maryland man. He's part of a foreign terrorist organization. He's a member of MS-13 who, as you laid out in your monologue, came to this country and committed just...
Gang acts, he was caught and he was two judges, an immigration judge and an appellate judge, ruled that he was an MS-13 member as well as ISIS testimony. Yet his attorneys are saying he's not affiliated with the gang. They're wrong and he has no right to be there. And President Bukele does not want to give him back to the United States, nor do we want him back. Clay, what do you think happens here?
It's such an interesting question. This is where I put on my lawyer hat. I mean, the Supreme Court didn't say that America had to bring him back from El Salvador. And Bukele yesterday said, why would I return this individual to the United States? There now are reports, which are crazy, that I believe the senator from one of the senators from Maryland at least is saying, I'm going to travel to El Salvador to make sure this guy's okay.
He's an illegal. I mean, I look at this and I just say, this is where Trump has outsmarted many of his critics.
Do you really think very many people in the United States think that senators should be traveling out of our country to make sure that people who had no business being here are being held in a manner that you find to be acceptable in a foreign country? And so I think this is just the reflexively anti-Trump perspective that has lit the Democrat brand on fire. Unless...
the Supreme Court says you have to return this person from El Salvador, which I don't think they're going to do because it gets into foreign policy, then I think this story is just going to eventually go away because I don't think it's that compelling. I do think it's significant the way that Pam Bondi there says...
And you talked about this in the way that they define someone. Maryland dad, Maryland man. No, he's an illegal immigrant that had no ability to be here, and he's been deported. And so the way that you decide to classify someone, the pictures that you choose to use. Remember when they used...
This was years ago. But remember when they would use in the situation down in down in Florida, they would often use pictures of somebody who's like four or five years older. What was the the shooting situation, the self-defense case in Florida? Oh, where Zimmerman with Trayvon Martin. They had Trayvon Martin. They had photos of him when he was like 12 with his graduation cap on. He was like 18 years old and one hundred and sixty five pounds.
And over six feet tall. I mean, he was like a big grown man. And they would use photos of him when he looked like he was 13 or 14 years old. The way that you choose to classify someone. He was 11 or 12. They were using prepubescent photos of an 18-year-old man. They also changed the audio tape, which somebody at one of the news affiliates got fired for. They actually edited the tape to make Zimmerman seem more racist. That was also, Clay, the rise of the white-Hispanic conversation. Yes.
You know, if his name happened with Michael Brown in in Ferguson, where they tried to make it seem like he wasn't in any way engaged in violent acts, that story just kind of vanished when the Obama media was presenting Mike Brown as a gentle scholar. That's wearing a his every photo of him from The New York Times was him in a in like a graduation cap.
looking like he's about to start his MD program somewhere. And the reality was there was a video of him doing a strong arm robbery a few minutes before the incident with the cop, which is why he got pulled over. He was not wearing his cap and gown during the strong arm robbery.
No doubt. And the way that these stories are told are significant. Here, by the way, is Caroline Leavitt just a little bit ago, cut 30. She just did an hour White House press briefing saying, yeah, he's not coming back. Cut 30. Abrego Garcia was a foreign terrorist. He is an MS-13 gang member. He was engaged in human trafficking. He illegally came into our country. And so deporting him back...
back to El Salvador was always going to be the end result. There is never going to be a world in which this is an individual who's going to live a peaceful life in Maryland because he is a foreign terrorist and MS 13 gang member. Not only have we confirmed that, President Bukele yesterday in the Oval Office confirmed that as well. So he went back to his home country where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation and his engagement in human trafficking. I'm not sure what is so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand.
And it's appalling, truly appalling, that there has been so much time covering this alleged human trafficker and this gang member, MS-13 gang member. It's truly striking to me. I think what this represents is a flailing attempt to find something that sticks.
Think about it. In the last three or four weeks, what have we heard? The talking point was egg prices are out of control. Trump is making you pay more for eggs. Well, wholesale egg prices are down, and you are going to be paying substantially less than you were when Biden was in office if you aren't already very soon. So that story has vanished. Stock market.
Last week. Oh, my goodness. For the last 10 days. Oh, my goodness. The stock market's going to collapse. You're going to everybody's going to lose all their money. Trump has no idea. Well, it's gone. Right. Stock market's basically same price it was in September. That has faded as the sort of lack of movement.
Has declined. Now the new argument is. Trump is going to deport you. That's what they're really trying to pivot from. They're trying to go from. If he can take this Maryland man. And send him to El Salvador. Why can't he do the same thing to you? Presumably because you're an American citizen.
That's why you can't do it. That's the easy answer. If you are here illegally and you have a history of violent crime, then they can get you and they are going to try to deport you. And you should think that because I think one story is not being told, Buck. I do think a significant number of people are self-deporting.
We talked about how the southern border is shut down and there's a limit on how many people in any given month that Trump can get out of the country. I think if you have a criminal record, you may be starting to look at this and say, wait a minute, I don't want to end up in an El Salvador prison. I'm free and clear and able to move around right now. I think there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people here illegally that are seeing what's going on and they're saying, maybe I should just go back to my home country or at least go back somewhere in Latin America.
You know, when you dig into this Abrego Garcia case...
And it also is indicative, Clay, of just the scam that has been run so many millions, even tens of millions of times against this country with the total assistance of ideologues in the judiciary. This guy was arrested back in 2019, but a judge said, oh, we can't deport you even though you're an illegal because...
He had a fear of a credible fear of violence in his home country. The, as we are told, violent gang member was able to stay in America because he said, oh man, it's too scary for me to go back to El Salvador. And a judge bought it and overrode federal law under this withholding from removal order. But as Stephen Miller has pointed out, his family,
His participation in MS-13, a foreign designated terrorist organization, overrides the removal order, which makes perfect sense, right? You can't or the withholding removal order. I mean, you can't have somebody who's protected from violence, who's actually perpetrating violence themselves. But the whole thing is just so nuts.
Democrats just don't want to deport anybody, Clay. That's really everything else is really noise. They don't want to deport anybody that makes them feel good about themselves to say everybody can stay and everybody can come. And whatever happens to the country, we deserve it because of, you know, colonialism or something. But they actually don't want to deport anyone.
What I think is wild is how much time we spent talking about how wide open the southern border on this show and other places, the debate. We even had moron Republicans who were saying, you know what, let's go ahead and sign on with the Democrats and do a bill in the summer of 2024. I don't think voters should forget who was willing to do that. And Trump and Tom Holman just kept consistently saying, if you elect us, we'll shut down the southern border.
Southern border shut down. The story is completely gone. There is not even any acknowledgement of the fact that overnight, effectively, Trump shut down the United States southern border in terms of illegal crossings. When have we ever had an administration come in saying that they would essentially solve a top three concern of the American people and do it within 60 days? I can't think of anything else.
where so quickly something so important to the electorate was by the numbers objectively addressed and solved in the way that this has, which I think has wronged the Democrats even further with all the other stuff they've got. Lack of leadership and the trans agenda and the crazy stuff that they all believe. Clay, the problem is that Trump is keeping his promises.
Yes. And he's doing what he said he would do. And so that just drives Democrats even more insane, because what they were hoping was you'd get a little bit of what you had in 2017, where you had you had some swamp creatures saying they were going to drain the swamp and you had some bad picks and you had some, you know, some some Democrat advisers around Trump. And look, I'm not saying it wasn't very good overall, but there were some missteps and Trump has admitted those missteps.
This time around, it's just all systems go. And I think that drives them even more insane. I'm not sure you can point to anything that was an acknowledged problem. And again, you can say Democrats didn't really acknowledge it was a problem until it got to be election season, but that a politician has come into office and eliminated 95 percent of in the first hundred days ever.
Because 95% of illegal border crossings are gone. Is there any other comparable example to a promise made by a political candidate that was immediately delivered to this extent in the first 100 days? I think the border is one of the greatest success stories ever.
In modern American political history, in terms of what Trump was able to do solely without congressional authority, despite the arguments to the contrary for years and years. Well, and it also has proven that those of us, you, me and all of you who are screaming under Biden's administration, they just don't want to enforce the law.
This is a decision. This isn't they're overwhelmed and they can't fix it. They don't want to fix it. We were right because Trump fixed it in the blink of an eye because he wanted to. So all those other people were lying to you. Everyone else in the media who's, oh, but the border, it's so complicated. No, actually, if you enforce the law, they stop coming. Almost like with crime, Clay, you back police and you take violent offenders and people that are repeat offenders off the street. Everyone gets safer. There's less crime.
How Democrats don't how the Democrat brain cannot seize on these things. Unfortunately, one of the great weaknesses of American society these days, they just can't they can't learn. They can't figure this stuff out. I look good ranchers is fantastic. You know, Carrie and I are going to be home. They just ask you, did you have any plans coming off the travel? So not
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