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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast. Welcome, everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. We are here in our nation's capital, probably the best it's been in a long time. It is pretty spectacular. It's very beautiful. Unlike during the inauguration, it is absolutely perfect weather here, so I am not...

clearing the icicles from my nose and my eyes this time uh but we have a lot to talk to you about and uh we'll dive into some of it we're also excited to be setting up some uh some pretty important interviews and sit downs and chats with the people who make this town run uh and this white house which is doing a phenomenal job um clay you're gonna have to make sure that i don't

Go over too much of the territory when I was on a flight yesterday that you cover with these L.A. riots. Here's what I've got for the latest Marines. 700 Marines ordered to assist in Los Angeles. They are expected to arrive. Well, they have been arriving. We've got Mayor Adams of New York City saying that there are anti ice riots in L.A. That would be totally unacceptable.

In New York. So they're drawing a pretty hard line on that one. You've seen some other places, Austin, Tampa, where there are reports of some gatherings beginning. We're very clear on this. I think everyone's very clear on this. The...

Right to protest, obviously protected under the First Amendment. The right to loot a footlocker or a CVS or whatever is not, in fact, covered under the First Amendment. And this whole fight over illegal immigration enforcement is absolutely critical for the administration. And, Clay, I'm happy to see so far they are taking action.

The law and order perspective and not backing down one inch because this is setting a tone for the rest of the four years as well. Yeah, what I was talking about yesterday is I do think this is a really concrete difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0. And you remember very well, everyone out there does, in the summer of 2020, the entire nation came unglued. And I think a big part of that was...

was Tim Walz, governor of Minnesota, refusing to call out the National Guard in time to bring peace to Minneapolis. And then what happened in Minneapolis skyrocketed, spiraled everywhere. And for many people, it was the end of the COVID restrictions, as you well remember, because Dr. Anthony Fauci suddenly came out after telling people that they couldn't be in any groups at all and said, well, hundreds of thousands of people can actually come out in the streets in March.

And many people said, wait a minute, you were telling us that we couldn't go to kids, couldn't go to school. We couldn't have non-essential. Remember that phrase? Non-essential business is open. And and suddenly you decide that everybody should be able to go out and march in the summer of 2020. And I think in retrospect.

Trump wishes that he had called out the National Guard in Minnesota and tried to nip this in the bud. And so I think this is Trump 2.0 saying we're not going to allow these protests to flourish and take root like we did in 2020. Also, the difference being it's not an election year, which means that.

that whatever the impact is of the Trump response is not immediately going to the ballot box, which is why I think they were apprehensive and I think, quite frankly, slow on dealing with those riots back in 2020. So this is Trump saying, I learned from the first term we're not going to have this happen again. That was one of the biggest mistakes, I would argue, in the Trump first term was people often talk about Fauci. Look, very hard in that moment to...

To understand all the implications of the CDC and and allowing them to set these policies. And I mean, I remember I spoke to Trump in I've told you about this and talk to the audience about this May of 2020. Talk to you about all this. And he said, look, we're going to leave this to the states. There was a lot that was unknown then.

looting and rioting we knew that was bad and there was a period where there was not nearly a firm enough response in 2020 I think that that was a lesson learned for the administration I think this time around they are showing that it's very easy to draw this line here yes you want you want to gather lawfully and and protest that's great that's America the moment you start blocking highways

throwing rocks at cops, breaking into stores, stealing things. You are in violation of a number of statutes, and the laws still apply to you no matter how upset you are. On this issue of illegal immigration, it's interesting, Clay, I've seen a shift

In the conversation on the right from what about the big, beautiful bill to this is an all or nothing issue, meaning we either enforce sovereignty and begin to deport some of the 10 million that Biden brought in or nothing else matters. I agree with that.

I think if we don't establish secure borders and interior enforcement, we just have a de facto open border. And all the implications of this, I mean, what you're seeing in Southern California, the massive expense that is borne not just by the taxpayers of California, but by the federal taxpayer as well. There's all this money that is that is funneled from California.

Federal dollars to Medi-Cal, which is like California's version of Medicare, Medicaid, Medi-Cal. And the apportionment issue with members of Congress. You have far more Democrat members of Congress. The estimates, I think it's a couple of dozen nationwide. Fifteen to twenty at least. And this is important, I think. I don't think a lot of audience even understands this because I didn't know it.

illegal immigrants get counted for purposes of congressional districts. So when you say roughly 700,000 people are being represented, if there are 20 million illegals, that is helping Democrats because they're overwhelmingly clustered in sanctuary cities, and otherwise there would be less Democrat representatives. Enormously important. And it also is a reminder to everybody, as we'll talk, we'll go deep into the law and order

I live in Nebraska.

That's not really my problem. I live in a nice red state. You know, I live in South Carolina. And so if California wants to have two or three, I'm sorry, Los Angeles County alone wants to have two or three million illegals in it. That's their problem. No, it's actually your problem in South Carolina, too. It's a problem for the whole country. It's a problem because of the balance of power that.

It is affected by with Congress. And it's a problem because the whole point here that the Democrats are pursuing is to make sure that there's a pathway to voting, not just citizenship, voting for all the illegals who have come here, which would make a de facto one party state. So this is everybody's issue. The days where we would tell ourselves, oh, it's just a blue state, red state thing. I think that has passed. I think everyone understands. Biden let in 10 million plus illegals on purpose. People keep telling me

I don't know. No one knows. No one knows. I mean, the administration doesn't know. This one doesn't know what the full number that came in under Biden is because it was so out of control that it's impossible to tabulate. We just know that it's officially at least 10 million.

That's a massive state of illegals that have been added to the U.S. tally. Totally. I mean, it's more than the people who live in, I think it's all but like 15 states. I mean, the population of the state of Tennessee where I live, I believe, is around 7 million. So more than the state of Tennessee has been let in in four years just in illegal. And also keep in mind, there's now some...

on the Reagan amnesty, which I've talked about here on the show back in 1986, what happens. Probably the worst thing that Reagan did as president, unfortunately. Reagan did great things, defeated communism, defeated the Soviet Union, but...

That was bad, and it was much worse than I think anybody, even Republicans at that time, realized because not only was the amnesty far larger than it was supposed to be. We're signing this law, right? This is back in 1986, and we're going back now 40 years. We're signing this, and we're going to get border security.

And what you got was an amnesty several times larger, millions of people larger than what they thought it would be because the way the courts went and, you know, everyone was trying to be covered under that amnesty. They were hearing challenges, I think, into the early 2000s. So think about that. In 1986 amnesty, there were people in, like, 1999 who were saying, I'm covered under that, too.

And then it was a massive incentive for more illegal immigration for the years and years to come. Can you think about it this time? If we just said, you know what, we'll take the 10 million who came in under Biden. Does any serious person believe that there'd be the political will to stop the next 10 million from coming the next time there's a Democrat administration? No, if anything, it would just become a political inevitability. It would be codified that there'd be another 10 million coming. And our immigration laws are just a joke. Well, that's why whatever Trump does.

They have set in place two different diametrically opposed systems. One is if you come, you are allowed in with virtually no court oversight. It's going to take years for your hearings. And in the meantime, you get to live here.

And the second part is if you're trying to deport, you have to have massive court hearings and it's going to take a substantial amount of effort to get that done. So I think they are gaming the system because they're applying two different rules. Let me also mention this, too, as the L.A. riot happened.

continues four days and we see the Apple stores getting rioted. And unfortunately, I saw a jewelry store owner interviewed and we'll play some of that for you throughout the course of the program. In fact, at 1230, so in about 20 minutes from now, we're going to talk with Steve Hilton, who's running for governor. He was out on the streets of Los Angeles last night, what he sees and is experiencing there, what he saw with his own eyes. I think that this is another impact of Elon Musk buying Twitter.

Because when Maxine Waters and other Democrats are coming out, I saw another Democrat congresswoman say, well, this is not much different than a sports celebration when a team wins a title. And then you juxtapose those videos side by side. It is...

We talked about yesterday. I want to get your read on this at some point. But when you've got cops with cars burning and you've got the video of the bricks being thrown at them, it's hard to argue it's a mostly peaceful protest. I think that the fairness of X to allow the full scope of what's truly going on to be seen makes the lies more readily apparent. Also, the videos and the photos, which I was...

consuming just as you were all weekend long and yesterday on the flight up here as I was doing research for today's show, Clay, the notion that you would, as a person who claims to have a right to be in America, you would be standing around burning cars and holding up the flag of a foreign nation. Mm-hmm.

That is a person who does not belong here, who does not deserve to be here. And I'm not even getting into the legal status that they may or may not have. But you clearly do not have the kind of love and allegiance for this country and for the rule of law that we want for the American people. It is also shown, and we'll get into this, the data very clearly so far supports what Trump is doing as a matter of public administration.

opinion. Let me say, if there was 80-20 against Trump on this, I don't care. This is a rule of law issue, but it's not. In fact, Trump is operating with a majority support of the American people, and the more of this that we see, the burning cars, the rioting, the looting, the madness on the streets,

and people waving Mexican flags and saying, I'm so American, I would wave a Mexican flag. Could you imagine? I mean, if I stood in front of a building that was burning in New York City waving an Irish flag, first of all, the Irish people would be like, you haven't been Irish in hundreds of years. And second of all, they'd say, what are you doing? That has nothing to do with us. There's something deeper here, and specifically in Southern California,

This is very this is a very precarious issue because you're talking about a group of people who, unlike any other migrant group, really, the only migrant group we have here in large numbers that has come here illegally that can walk back home and sometimes do drive and go back home are people from Mexico. This is not true of people from from Europe, from Africa, from from anywhere else.

And so there's something unique and uniquely destabilizing about individuals who think that they can have it both ways. They can maintain this separate Mexican identity while getting all the benefits of being in America and make demands in this country while actually having citizenship in another country that is right next door.

This is something that anybody who's looking at the national security and political implications for this country has to reckon with, that in Southern California there is a – and I know that this exists in some other places too, different in Texas because it's a red state. But in Southern California there is – look, you can see this with people going on CNN saying, well, you know, this was part of Mexico.

I saw that, too.

So it was Mexican for a short while, and then they lost that territory in a war, which is a thing that happens. That's something that they need to just get used to. So there's a lot going on here that I want to continue to dive into. And, Clay, I think this is the most important fight in the country right now, and I think it's more important than concerns about the debt. If we lose on this, we lose on everything else. If we don't have a country with sovereignty and rule of law and immigration, we don't really have a country.

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So you all know him from his time at Fox News. He's running for governor of California, which is a job that needs somebody much more competent in the role than what they currently have. That is for sure. He is in L.A. right now. Steve, thanks for being with us. Are you out on the street? I know you've seen a lot. Just trying to give everybody a picture of where you are. So you're out on the streets in L.A. Bring us up to what you have seen up to this point, what the reality has been on the ground.

So I just popped in doors, so it's not so loud. The thing is very clear. It is a total breakdown of law and order and civilized life.

And civilization. It is just absolutely shocking to see what's been going on here. The smashed up businesses, most of them, by the way, owned by working class Latinos whose lives are now being completely wrecked. They're not going to get insurance. No one cares about that. Newsom doesn't care. Karen Bass doesn't care. All they care about is pandering to their far left activists. So you've got this.

the sort of total lack of care about people's lives being destroyed. But in a way, the most shocking thing, and I put out a video of this just last night, I was walking around after they'd cleared the main riot scene and dispersed the crowd somewhat, and you saw the aftermath, every single surface covered in vile, disgusting graffiti. And there's something so shocking about the scale of it. Literally everywhere you look, FI,

I, F, Trump. By the way, F, Israel, a lot. So, like, what's that got to do with anything that's going on here? That tells you the kind of people we're dealing with here. And it's just this collapse of standards of civilized behavior. You know perfectly well that not a

A single person who did this will be held accountable by California authorities, will be prosecuted. All of these things are crimes. I've spoken to DAs and sheriffs. It's very clear that what we've seen happening here, they're felonies. Is anyone going to be prosecuted or held accountable? No, not by California authorities. And so this is why we need to turn this around. This is a real moment, I think, for everyone in California to realize we've got to go in a different direction.

We cannot have this weakness and pandering to political activists instead of standing up for the decent law-abiding majority.

Western, Steve, I appreciate you coming on. And certainly if I were in California, you'd have my vote next year. But when you see so many people running around waving flags of foreign countries while they are burning down Waymo vehicles or when they are raining down Molotov cocktails onto police vehicles.

What does it say not only about the United States and California, but also you've come from England, where this is a global struggle for the legitimacy, it seems to me, of Western civilization. What you see here is happening in London. It's happening in Paris. It's happening in Rome. There is, in many ways, I think, an attack on the entirety of Western civilization and values. Do you sense that people in California feel that? Absolutely.

Yes, but they don't even know it. This is the thing, because it's now the product of years and years, decades really, of creeping indoctrination in this ideology, I mean, whatever you want to call it, wokeism, I mean, that whole sort of

piece on it on my Fox show. We probably discussed it, Clay, you know. Oh, yeah, for sure. A hundred years ago in the Frankfurt School in Germany, the Marxist philosophers, an all-out war on the institutions of a civilized Western society, the family, faith, all of those things. So this is

been part of a long burning plan and I think because it's now so commonplace throughout, started obviously in academia but now throughout the public school system and so on, they're not even aware that this is what they're spouting and that these values are what they're upholding even if you can call them values. I mean it's just, it's a very serious situation but the good news is that we're confronting it finally, that we're

standing up against it here in America. That's not happening in England, it's not happening anywhere else. And so that is really encouraging. And just as you see these appalling scenes, and I completely agree that it's so shocking. I put that in one of my videos yesterday. I was walking around in the daytime in the protest zone, Mexican flags everywhere, other Latin American flags flying. The best I could find...

was one young guy on the roof of his car waving, it was 50-50. It was the Mexican flag on one side, the stars and stripes on the other. That was the best I could find. I taped a little interview with him. I'll be putting it out later today. Nice kid, but completely unaware of the sort of background to this leftist indoctrination. But as I say, look at what's happening to fight back against it. Look at the success of...

of you know movements you know that that turning point for example and and the youth vote in the last election you know that we did we're not letting this go unchallenged steve it's been amazing and kind of horrifying at the same time to see some of what these uh... democrat leaders from the governor uh... gavin newsom down to uh... mayor bass of los angeles and and other officials as well

Their responses to this range from the outrageous to the entirely incoherent. You have on the one hand, they'll say things like, don't be violent. That plays into Trump's hands. I don't know. I think they should be opposed to political violence and assaults on officers and destruction of property, regardless of what that will do to the poll numbers. And then beyond that, it's completely unclear what their objection is, or rather I should say,

I think it is clear that their objection is not to anything other than the enforcement of American immigration laws. There's no claim that federal authorities have done something that is not lawful. They just are saying, whether it's the mayor, the governor, or others, we don't like the enforcement of federal law.

No, and you know what was completely right? And the thing that really illustrated that was the almost, you know, like revoltingly predictable way that when the first news broke of these enforcement actions, one by one, up popped on social media the pandering statements from everybody in charge in Los Angeles. And I use that word advisedly. Of course, they're not really in charge. One after another.

up popped the statement saying, at this time we're thinking of our community, all this blather, pandering to the activist left. And it was the mayor, which is totally predictable, and it was the governor, which is totally predictable, but shockingly and disturbingly, it was also the police chief and the DA who

Every single person in authority in California putting out pandering statements instead of saying very clearly, if you break the law, you will be prosecuted, and we will hold you accountable, and we will not tolerate that.

lawlessness and disorder. Nobody said anything like that. It was all pandering to the left. And that tells you the rot that's gone on for so long in California. And that's what we need to change. And the majority of people understand now what's really going on here, that we have people who are, as I say, not really in charge, but the people at the top

who have no interest in protecting the interests of the majority of regular working people who are just being let down all the time by this far-left ideology.

Steve, this is not standing alone either. January 31st, I think it took several weeks, you'll know better than me, to put out the fires that were burning all over Los Angeles. I'm not an expert in arson, but thankfully...

Lighting things on fire intentionally in Los Angeles seems like a bad idea, given the history that we just went through. But also, to me, there's a connecting thread here, and it is of Mayor Karen Bass and also Governor Gavin Newsom being unable to make rational, reasonable decisions for the people of Los Angeles and the people of California. Buck and I have talked about this a lot.

Buck lived through it in New York City. Things got so bad that people finally said, we need law and order. We need Rudy Giuliani, Mayor Bloomberg. They fixed New York City in many ways, and they had to do it from an outsider perspective. Do you think that's what you could bring? And are Californians, are things getting bad enough where Californians say, we can't keep doing the same one-party decision-making?

Yes, that is 100% the central argument. We can't, that I make it, we cannot go on like this. And you can, look, it's all of a piece. The fires, of course, and there's a similar pattern here, right, which is that the extremist policies cause the problem. So with the fires, it was the environmental extremism that meant that you had this tinderbox situation. They didn't clear the brush. They didn't do anything. You've got residents for five,

fined for protecting their own property by clearing the brush. So they have the extremist policies that cause the problem, and then their response to the problem is totally incompetent, and then they just lash around blaming someone else. Similar pattern here. It was their extremist policies that caused this problem. Remember, it's the sanctuary state policies that caused this whole situation, because there's no cooperation with federal immigration enforcement and law enforcement, which means that these kinds of

enforcement actions are necessary. You don't see this in other states where you've got cooperation between the feds and state and local authorities. So they cause the problem in the first place. Their response is completely incompetent and inadequate. And then they blame someone else in this case, obviously Trump. But there's another point I want to make, which is, which is about the patent.

Just a couple of weekends ago in Los Angeles, you saw very similar scenes to what we've just witnessed this last past few days on a smaller scale. You had an illegal party, a roof party that got out of control, a warehouse building, hundreds...

of people spilling out into the local community, marauding around, smashing up businesses, vandalism everywhere, literally setting cars on fire. They commandeered a police car, jumping all over it, graffitiing the police car. What did the LAPD do? Nothing. Literally nothing.

stood back and just watched while all this happened. There was not a single arrest. That's what's the problem here. You have people who will not enforce the law and uphold standards of civilized behavior, which is the first responsibility of people in government. And that message I'm drumming home loud and clear. And I think there really will be change in California in 2026 because we cannot go on like this.

Steve, real quick before we go, is it dying down or is there a concern here that this could continue or maybe even worsen?

I think it is, and I think the president is dying down, and that's good to see, and I think it's the direct result of the president's tough response, because everywhere he goes, the National Guard holding the line. And so I think that that has clearly made a difference, and last night was better than the weekend, and let's hope tonight is better. It's early morning here still, so there's nothing going on particularly, but I think that...

It looks like things are getting more under control. And of course, that's something we welcome. But it's exactly, I think, thanks to the tough federal response, which, of course, all the politicians here, that's their fault. I mean, for goodness sake, the governor of California spending most of his time yesterday, you know, posting on X, you know, anti-Trump trolling things and filing lawsuits.

It's madness. He has neither read nor understood the Constitution, Steve, but that's not news. We're aware of that one. Steve Hilton, what is your site for the governor's race? SteveHiltonForGovernor.com, F-O-R, SteveHiltonForGovernor.com. Well, we encourage everybody in California who wants things to change to go to SteveHiltonForCalifornia.com. Keep up the good work. Sorry, yeah, for governor. And stay safe out there. Fantastic. Great to be with you guys. Thanks.

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We're up here in Washington, D.C., visiting with many of our friends in Congress as the big, beautiful bill winds, winds, I guess is the correct word. It's way through the halls of Congress. It's in the Senate right now.

Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is with us, and we are going to do a deep dive on spending, the bill, what should happen from his perspective, and where we are headed. For people out there that really want to dive into some of the nitty-gritty about the economic policies in place, we wanted to bring you in.

Because I would say you and Rand Paul, Senator, I think it's fair to say, are probably at the forefront of we are spending way too much money. And your argument has been that essentially, and you correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, but I'm trying to lay it out and then let you make the case. Essentially, we have embedded the government spending that started with COVID, that accelerated at a rapid level, as the default basis for budgets going forward instead of...

For instance, after World War II, drastically dialing back spending, we have allowed that spending process to become the basis upon which all budget bills since COVID have been crafted. Is that correct? How do we fix it if it is correct? First of all, welcome to this alternate universe. Thank you. Washington, D.C. You know, we're both former residents here, so we're like reformed swamp creatures. You're smart enough to move out, and I come here part-time.

But, no, I mean, you stated the case pretty well. We spent $4.4 trillion in 2019...

pandemic hits spent 6.5 and we never looked back and i've probably said this on the show i don't know of american family if they got ill somebody got ill they had to borrow 50 000 pay for medical bills if they got well the next year they wouldn't keep borrowing 50 000 and keep spending at that level that's exactly what we've done so 4.4 this year we'll spend over 7 trillion that's a 58 increase next year about 7.3 i know these are a lot of numbers

But that's why I do charts. Yep. And, you know, what's kind of depressing about my charts is it lays out a pretty depressing reality. Let me throw some more numbers.

Under the Bush administration, eight years, they averaged deficits of $250 billion a year. Obama came in, his first four years, $1.3 trillion. I mean, that sparked the Tea Party movement. That's why I came into town. The Tea Party movement had an impact. And those deficits in his last term were $550 billion. Trump comes into office, had to do deals with Democrats. His average deficit was $810 billion.

Then COVID hit. One year, $3.1 trillion deficit. And again, with responsible leaders like we had in World War II, okay, pandemic's over, time to return to pre-pandemic levels. It's not what Biden did. Biden continued to spend, again, this year about $7 trillion. His average deficit was

For four years, it was $1.9 trillion. Okay, wait. So let's jump in right there because I think that's very important. And we have the charts to work with, but all of our people all across the country, they're trying to visualize these numbers as we go. Yeah, he's holding it up. I wish we had – oh, we get to spend some of the cash here. They're really small. But tell me this.

Where is the additional money going? Because here's what happens every time we talk about cutting. And I also have to bring up some of the objections to the objections to the big, beautiful bill. And I want you to address those in a second. But first, anytime we talk about cutting, we could light up the phones for three hours straight here. How dare you? You want to touch my Social Security? How dare you? You want to touch my Medicare? Well, hold on a second.

If those things weren't being touched at $800 billion or a trillion a year, where's the extra trillion dollars, give or take, that now is the post-pandemic spending norm? What's that money going to? It's literally across the board. And that's where I've laid out with my pre-pandemic levels of spending, that analysis where you take actual total outlays, you exclude Social Security, Medicare, and interest, spend what you need to spend, and then you plus up all those other outlays by population growth and inflation.

And if you do that for 2019, for example, this year you'd be spending 6.5 versus the 7. If you go back to Clinton or Obama, you'd be spending 5.5 to 6.2. So again, it's across the board, which is why one of the solutions is we need to forensically audit every line, every program, like Doge has done. So you're telling me then that there is...

Of that spending increase, if it's coming from these, and you're not going to touch, it sounds to me like you wouldn't touch the non-discretionary spending, right? Because you're taking Medicare, Social Security, and interest. You see, that's... Right. That's part of mandatory, but you also have Medicaid, and we've got to fix the Obamacare portion of that. Get a trillion dollars of

other mandatory spending. This is what I mean. Where's that other trillion dollars? It's Medicaid and then just everything else? Yes, so what they've done over years, because nobody knows they're doing this because you have these omnibus spending bills and just magically they move discretionary spending into the mandatory accounts. So during COVID, that other mandatory, not Social Security, Medicare, or even Medicaid, I think went up, topped out about $2.2 trillion. $2 trillion.

In 2019, it was $642 billion. It went to $2.2. It's been ramping down. Last year, I think it was $1.3 trillion. This year, it would be about a trillion. That's a trillion dollars. I mean, discretionary spending is about $1.7. You were a business guy. Trump was, and still is in many ways, a business guy. When you say this to him, what does he say? Because he wants this thing passed.

With gusto. He wants this big, beautiful bill. He believes. I'm sure. You've talked about these numbers, right? I'm sure. I was in the White House last Wednesday, and when my time to talk, I pulled out my chart. By the way, I've seen your last ten appearances. You're too negative, Ron. One of your charts saved the president's life. It did.

So this is a different chart. Actually saved his life. So one chart saved the president's life. I'm hoping this one saves America. Okay, so he says what? Because the argument here is that they would like to get this bill passed by July 4th on the Senate side. It's already passed the House side.

Where are we? Do you think that's likely? How does this get reconciled? How does the Senate, because it's not just you, it's Rand Paul, it's others that have this perspective too, not a huge majority. How does this get solved? So again, so he told me I was being too negative and I took that to heart. I have been pretty hard on you. You're generally a very jolly fellow, I will say. I've got a smile on my face, okay, but you've got to lay out the reality.

So I had a great meeting just a couple hours ago with Vice President Vance and Kevin Hassett, and that was kind of what rearranged the White House. Okay, let's get on the same page. I worked all weekend long. I wrote this report myself. These are all my own charts. I'm the accountant here, right? But we're going to let Kevin Hassett and his economic team go through these, check out the numbers. I'm not sure when we'll release this, but that's the first thing. You have to get on the same page.

And what I told the president of the White House is the first step in solving any problem is you have to admit you have one.

So, again, I have been too negative because I've been focusing on the macro problem, and I haven't been talking as positively as I should on all the good things in the big, beautiful bill because there are a lot of good things. We fund the border. We fund defense. This House did a pretty good job of identifying about $1.5 trillion in spending reduction. That's good. We extend current tax out. We take an automatic tax increase off the table. We avoid default. Okay, those are all great things. My only point, and I'm sorry I have to make it,

It just isn't enough. Okay, so what I've been asking for always is a commitment to return to a reasonable pre-pandemic level spending and a process to achieve and maintain it. Now I'm throwing into the method because one and done won't work. I mean, this is great progress that we'd be making with the one big beautiful bill. I don't deny that.

But it doesn't solve the problem. So I'm looking for a forcing mechanism so we come back in this Congress, not wait until winning an election. So you're telling me this is politically realistic because that's the next question. Because this is what's being said. And, you know, Stephen Miller is a very smart guy in this White House. He's been out there making the case that the objections to this are –

more about people making a philosophical argument than operating within the reality of what is possible and that if you don't do it this way, you're going to have to work with Democrats down the line who don't want to work with you. So can you address that? Again, we can use another reconciliation process using the fiscal 2026 budget. I have gotten just basically positive feedback from President Trump's ardent supporters and also my supporters. It

Again, Republicans, we realize we have a massive debt and deficit problem. Are there sad Republicans who won't go along with what you want to do here? Where's the problem? It seems so logical to us. I would say part of it is marketing. The House was all focused on getting this thing done, and literally they pulled $1.5 trillion out of the air. It really wasn't in context. When I saw that, I said, you guys have set the bar way too low. We need trillions of dollars long-term to get this thing done.

But then they assign more than half of that to ENC, the committee. All they can do is Medicaid. So they just open themselves up. You're going to slash Medicaid. And you did make the case. You realize that what we're trying to do is fix the Obamacare portion of Medicaid called Medicaid expansion that pays when a state puts a buck in for a single childless, you know, working age child.

able-bodied adult the federal government puts in nine bucks versus a dollar state puts in for a disabled child federal government kicks in $1.33 that has led to all kinds of distortions there's a great article in the Wall Street Journal a father of a 17 year old autistic child can't get home care for 10 years because he's being crowded out by single adults that should be working welfare for a medicated just a big giant and so and so you literally are putting at risk

The benefits for the people that we want to help, both in Medicare and in Medicaid. So you've got to root out these things, but you have to make the case, and you can't make it in five months. So the game plan here, as I was talking to Vice President, is, okay, it's going to take time. I propose a budget review panel, hire forensic auditors, take the DOJ team, transfer them over this process, a House, a Senate, a White House effort to –

We forensically audit more than 2,000 lines of federal budget, more than 2,600 federal programs, and we've never done it. We've never done it. And even this process, you'll notice they've exempted most spending, most programs. They focused on a couple. They get slaughtered in the public opinion because Democrats, it's easy pickings for them because they have the press behind them. I mentioned on the Sunday shows, it's so easy to be a Democrat.

You spend, you mortgage your kid's future, you never be held accountable by the media. It's hard doing what we're trying to do. The good news for your listeners is that we're all pretty much on the same page. We want to fix this problem. We just are dealing with something that's very difficult to do. What's timing look like?

And how significant is timing from your perspective? Because the White House has said they'd like to have this done in the Senate by July 4th. We know that we don't have a very big majority in the House, so Mike Johnson, Speaker, is going to have to go back and work through whatever conciliation bill is going to come out. What, to you, does this time frame look like? Well, I think most people thought right after the House passed, the Senate would water down. I think the opposite is true.

I think we're going to make it more conservative. I think we're going to be doing even more reductions in terms of spending. And again, I've got colleagues that are demanding it. And there's some people who agree with you. Chip Roy, for instance, a friend of ours on the House side wants way more spending. Right. I mean, this was an issue for Mike spending cuts. Yeah. I mean, I mean, they voted for it because they kicked can over the House or the Senate, hoping we'd make it.

more conservative. You talk about the marketing. I'm just going to say this. We've had Senator Rand Paul on the show. We've talked to him. We've heard about him on this and so many issues. And a lot of the time, I just think he's making great arguments. But in this moment, to talk about how there's too much money going to the border after 10 million illegals came in under the Obama administration and to say that that's where we're going to start to make the savings happen in a meaningful way,

Even if numerically you could start to make – I just think it's malpractice because people – and this is about saving the country. And, you know, just to save money when you're trying to save the country, I think people view the urgency of the border and the illegal immigration issue as –

You know, the policy equivalent of a war, meaning if we don't do this thing right, we don't have the same America going forward. Well, I'm a really frugal guy, and I don't mind sharpening my pencil on any spending. He is chairman of Homeland Security. He should be doing oversight on this. Again, in the first administration, we spent $6.6 billion to...

450 miles of wall. Now they're asking $46.5 billion just for the wall. Well, we didn't have enough money to finish the wall, though. I remember that was a problem. But there's not 3,000 or 4,000 miles that have to be built. So again, he's got a wall guy here. He's asking the question. Can you stay with us a little bit? Sure, absolutely. Because there's some more questions. But quickly, and then Buck's got to do a read here. Time frame, July 4th. Any chance...

in your mind i think that's i think that's ambitious i think i really think in the senate we're looking more before august recess before august and it has to be done before august recess well just the you know destiny is going to expire sometime mid-august to late september so that's part of the pressure i mean that's

part of what they do. One of the reasons they bundle this all up is, yeah, I don't want to see taxes increase. I don't want to default on the debt. So it just puts pressure on us. So I've been very upfront. I know we should be surprised. I wrote my first column on a reasonable pre-pandemic level spending and options to do it in the Wall Street Journal on January 1st. So again, I've been, I've been beating this drum for a while. Ron Johnson in the hot seat. He doesn't like it hot. He prefers it cold. He's from Wisconsin, but we'll keep going. Look,

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Clay and I are trying to be fit radio hosts, which puts us into a... That's certainly, by the way, an oxymoron. Usually, radio hosts, we like our bacon cheeseburgers, but I was in there, and within a few minutes of setting foot in D.C., some of our wonderful listeners came up to me, and they said they loved the show, and

They were visiting here. They were not swamp natives, but they were visiting our nation's capital. So it's great to be here with all of you. As you know, we've got a whole bunch of meetings lined up with the people calling the shots here. Some at their request, they said they want to spend some time with us. So we're here doing our D.C. tour so we can touch base with with everybody from the president on down who is running things.

And also over the weekend, Clay, you know, we've talked a little bit here about how it will be fun to get you and Laura. We all know Laura is going to be a fantastic shot if she isn't already do a range day. So my brother Mason and I completed the NRA pistol instructor certification course of the weekend, had to call.

Had to actually go through a bunch of range qualifications in order to do it, but we came through. Those of you who are wondering, it's 15 yards, steel sights, 20 shots. I know a lot of you are instructors, and I know a lot of you are instructors, you know, black belt with three stripes on it and all that. But for those who aren't instructors, it was 15 yards, iron sights. That wasn't a requirement, but our guy wanted us to make sure we were dialed in, so it was 15 yards, iron sights, steel sights.

At least, I think it was 16 or 17 out of 20 in that 6-inch target. So, yeah. So, Clay, we can set up a range day for you now. It would be absolutely fantastic. NRA certified and ready to rock and roll. Big timers. Yeah, that would be a lot of fun because my wife is –

Pretty fired up about the need for firearms training. So I mentioned this. On Mother's Day, she had the kids and me out on the range getting trained in firearms. Okay.

I know. I loved it. I saw the photos. I saw the video of it. It was fantastic. I don't know how many people wanted to spend their Mother's Day that way, but that's what my wife was into. That was brilliant. I was so pleased to see it. I'll just tell you, though, it was fun. There were about 20 people in this class. We had an excellent instructor down in South Florida, but we had about 20 people in the class, and I'd say about...

half of them it was only two days right it was saturday and sunday all day but at the end they all came up like hey man love the show so we had a lot of i was like i think we're in a pistol class in south florida with nra members and these are people that shoot a lot a lot of law enforcement a lot of uh a lot of people who the guns are something that they're they're caring for part of their job who are in the class and and we got a lot of clay and buck people in there so it was unsurprising yeah i was like i think we're with our people here i looked around it's like oh we are with our people i

I think there's also, I mean, this is not going to surprise you. We were up here for Inauguration Day. But I do think that there are a lot of people that the Trump team has brought into D.C., even though D.C. is 92 percent or whatever it is of a Democrat stronghold. You know, I lived here during a Republican administration and I lived here for during at least part of a Democrat. So I was here for the Bush years, over the Bush years.

basically second Bush term. The whole second Bush term I lived in D.C., more or less. And the first two years of Obama, I think I was here. And man, when you have that transition from...

One party to the other, it feels like a very different town just based on who's here and the vibe. I was a kid, so it was less noticeable to me, meaning I was in college. But I came in at the very end of the Clintons and then the George W. Bush era.

and then left right before 9-11, which obviously changed things tremendously for the worse in so many different ways. I mean, one of the reasons we're up here now is obviously to get as many senators in as possible. You heard from Ron Johnson yesterday. We had Tommy Tuberville and Marsha Blackburn in here. We want to talk to as many newsmakers as we can in person. A lot more. We're going to have Marco Rubio in studio with us on Thursday, and

for a couple of segments, which I think you guys will really enjoy. Secretary of State will dive into some of those Ukraine questions that so many of you have and also what's going on in the Middle East with Iran, a lot of different things we can talk about with Marco Rubio. But my 17-year-old and his friend, I'm in charge of him, and I was telling you yesterday we were in Georgetown. I am so thankful that I've got a 17-year-old boy.

Because if I had a 17-year-old daughter, there's no way she's going to be right. I said, hey, guys, just make sure he and his friend, hey, make sure you're back by dark and you guys can run around. You can be in Georgetown. I'm going to be honest with you, Buck. If I had a 17-year-old daughter, there's no way on the planet I would be letting her run around in Washington, D.C. I would be nervous about her being there. It's funny because you have, obviously, I have this with my wife where you have the –

location finder on your phone. My wife, Carrie knows where I am at all times. She knows where, uh, she were, you know, and vice versa. Um, but I know you have that with your boys, of course, you know, immediate family. Well, if you had a 17 year old daughter, what do you think? She has to carry a GoPro around, you know, kind of like a, like a cop. Like she has to wear a body cam just to make sure everything is on the up and up. I was glancing down just to make sure, you know, like, Hey, where are they? Uh, when we were, um,

having drinks. Um, and, uh, and I, that's when I was like, I mean, if I had a 17 year old daughter, there's no way on the planet. I would be like, Hey, just go wonder around it. You and your teenage girlfriend, just go wonder around in Georgetown, have as much fun as you want. Just make sure you're back by dark. No dad.

Unfortunately for them, they would have to do every meal with dad. And I'm not as much worried about the boys running around. Maybe that's a poor decision by me on parenting. Who's the disciplinarian of you and Laura? My wife is way tougher than I am. That's probably not going to surprise you. But I actually... I think Carrie is going to be, for young James, I think Carrie is going to... I'm going to be a business life buddy. You don't want me to turn this over to your mom. I think Carrie is going to be the law and order in our household. She's pretty tough on them.

It's kind of funny. We both are in that position. I'm going to be the one that's like, ah, you know, stuff happens. I already feel a little bit sorry for the girlfriends of these boys because I don't think that my boys, I don't think she's going to go too easy on them.

So anyway, I give thanks every single day that I've got three boys instead of three girls. And I was thinking about that yesterday as we were rolling through enjoying the time. Let's dive in. You know this one better than me. I saw some of it over the weekend. I know you talked to Riley Gaines yesterday. There's some updates to this. The Simone Biles, who I remember I got –

You got crushed when we just started. I mean, crushed might be a little strong. There were some sour leftists out there saying some mean things. How many things have you said on the show that you have gotten ripped for harder than you said? By national media figures? I'm sitting here. I am like, deport them by the millions and no problem. Hey, I don't think we need to celebrate Simone Biles stepping away from her team during the Olympics. I

I didn't say that... I wasn't like, oh, she's a coward. You know, whatever. And she's in incredible shape and I'm not and she's a world-class gymnast. I just said...

And, you know, if you pull a hammy and you can't finish. It's not brave to go on the injured list. Exactly. That's all I was saying. And I got all these people. So there's a little history here. A little history here. And I actually got tagged by a few national media figures on that one. But anyway, update everybody on the latest here. Because she said, as I said all along, too. Look, I saw this from afar. Riley Gaines. To say Riley Gaines looks like a man, every guy in our audience is like, no.

Sorry. And every gal, I think. But every guy's like, no, he doesn't look like a man. Nice try. It was a tough argument. Out of nowhere, though, for those of you who missed it, Riley was on yesterday talking about this. Simone Biles just ripped her for saying, and all Riley had done that precipitated this was Riley shared a photo of a Minnesota high school softball championship team

And a boy was on the girls team, which is absurd and way taller. And all she said was they turned the comments off so people on social media couldn't react.

And out of nowhere, Simone Biles decided to tee off on her and then said, you look like a man, which, again, I mean, Simone Biles has done all these body positivity things. Riley is five. You know, she measured herself like five, five or five, six. So now after multiple days of just getting attacked by

like crazy for being on the wrong side of this issue. You haven't seen this. I want to read Simone Biles has some sort of strange PR apology up. And here's what she posted just a little bit ago. I wanted to follow up from my last tweets. I've always believed competitive equity, first of all, Buck,

competitive equity? Competitive equity is not a thing. Competitive equality is a thing. The entire point of competition is to eliminate equity. We don't want everybody to be the exact same. But I always believe competitive equity and inclusivity are essential in sport.

The current system doesn't adequately balance these important principles, which often leads to frustration and heated exchanges, and it didn't help for me to get personal with Riley, which I apologize for. These are sensitive, complicated issues that I truly don't have the answers or solutions to, but I believe it starts with empathy and respect. This was written for her by some PR crisis team, 100%. We know that. You and I have been in this game long enough to know that.

And she's still going. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, no, no. The PR team wrote this ridiculous statement. I was not advocating for policies that compromise fairness in women's sports. My objection is to singling out children for public scrutiny in ways that feel personal and harmful. Individual athletes, especially kids, should never be the focus of criticism of a flawed system.

They have no control over. I believe sports organizations have a responsibility to come up with rules supporting inclusion while maintaining fair competition, which is actually impossible. We all want a future for sport that is fair, inclusive, and respectful. Hugs and kisses, Simone.

Yeah. Okay. So that was written by a PR team, but she realizes there are a few things here. First of all, her position, first and foremost, her position is not just on her real position. I don't mean the PR thing. The thing that she said about Riley, her position on men and women's sports is irrational and indefensible. And then to add on top of that,

To go after a... Honestly, anyone's appearance based on a political issue like this, you've always really lost, just to start off with. I mean, to do the, like, you look like a man thing. Fortunately, Riley, you know, we don't have to get into this, but no one thinks Riley looks like a man. I mean, she's a very lovely woman in very good physical condition. And...

I just think that she realized that she did real brand damage here on top of the political issue. You don't attack somebody's appearance, especially somebody who's really good looking. Like, that's just insane. I think she lit herself on fire here. And it took three, four days for her to put out this mealy mouthed, jumbly, not particularly well, even with all of the PR dollars that she's spending. That was just a jumble and nothing.

And when you just type out what somebody tells you to say, I would have more respect for her, even though I would disagree with her completely, if she just said, I said what I said, I'm right. Now, own it at least. Now, I wouldn't agree with her. That's the Clay Travis special right there. I'm doubling down. I'm tripling down. I'm not saying that I'm not going to say at some point in my career something that I didn't intend to say. But in 20 years, it's never happened.

So you should apologize. I've been married 20 years. Look, you should apologize if you do things that you don't intend to do and that are not reflective of your intentionality. But that's not this. Also, she could have just written out and said, you know, and we would know it was from her, meaning she actually did the writing. Simone Biles could write out on her Twitter or Instagram or wherever this is,

And Riley, that was wrong. You're a beautiful young woman and a talented athlete, and I'm sorry that I would cross the line. This is a heated political issue, and I just want to have respect for all people or whatever. Something where she doesn't even have to get too deep into the politics of it, but something that's a little bit heartfelt. This is...

My PR team came in and cleaned up my mess, which to me is, once again, inauthentic. I just don't believe that she wrote this herself. She clearly did not. Of course. It's not an authentic apology. If it's an authentic apology, you write it yourself. You just say, look, I crossed the line. My bad. I wouldn't do that again. You could move on from there. To me, this is just... I still wonder, Buck, what is the intent here?

She's not that active on social media. She's not that political. Did someone pay her to attack Riley like this? It doesn't make any sense to me that you would suddenly decide based on a photo of a Minnesota team. She might have seen someone else that she respects and likes or that wants the approval of. This is just me surmising or analyzing this.

And she thought that there was an opportunity here to score some points with someone or some group that she wants the admiration of. Because I agree with you. This is not, you know, they're like when Keith Olbermann's chirping at you, it's because he's always chirping at everybody, right? So that's his job. Right. That's what I'm saying. Whatever you agree or disagree. Like most people, I think, like Simone Biles. And now they don't. Yeah. I mean, Keith Olbermann has a constituency, miserable, childless, 65-year-old women that he represents. And that's just the way it goes.

And he looks more and more every single day like a miserable childless 65-year-old lesbian. True story. A friend of mine just got back from a trip with his family to Ireland. Do you know who he bumped into on the street in Dublin? He bumped into Rosie O'Donnell on the street. That's really... And as a fellow American, he's obviously conservative, he was just kind of like, wait, really? And he asked her, he said, how do you like it here? She said she doesn't like it. She's going to come home. Of course she doesn't like it. I mean, America... The Irish don't like her. There may be... This would be a fun debate. How...

If you're super wealthy, as Rosie is, there are only a handful of countries that would be actually better than the United States, even for the super wealthy. Ireland's not one. She lived in L.A. Weather's perfect. Yeah. You know, she's super rich. Yeah. I'm not surprised. There's a reason my people look the way we do. You know, not a lot of sunshine, a lot of booze, you know. Yeah. I'm just saying, the Irish. Yeah, you know it's true. Don't send me that stuff. You know it's true. Okay.

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