Elon Musk: 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots (Part 1)
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who really has not been doing much of anything, has not made any news, and nobody has noticed the impact. Welcome, Elon. Thank you. Holy crap. Yes, wow. Let me just say... Never a dull moment. Never a dull moment. The first 50 days the president has spent in office, over the top, and the first 50 days you've spent, I don't think there's ever been anyone to have an impact the way you have at the beginning. Let me start with a question you know a lot about.

Which was worse, the mess you found at Twitter or the mess you found in the federal government? Well, it's hard to compete with the federal government. What surprised you about the federal government? I assume you came in and assumed it was bad. Is it worse than you expected? It is worse than I expected, but on the plus side, that means there's more opportunity for improvement.

So, if you look on the bright side, there's actually a lot of opportunity for improvement in federal government expenditures because it's so bad. If it was a well-run ship, it would be very difficult to improve. So, now it's like people say, well, how do we figure out how to save money in the federal government? Well, it's like being in a room where the walls, the roof, and the floor are all targets. You shoot in any direction, you can't miss. Yeah, and you're going to win.

Wow. Again, I'm sure you would agree. So a lot of folks have talked about like... You can't miss. You can't miss. This is going in any direction. A lot of the crazy expenditures, things like $2 million for sex change surgeries in Guatemala. An essential. You know, transgendered mice and Sesame Street in Iraq. A lot of that has gotten attention. But some of the stuff you've told me about...

But like tell us about computer licenses and government agencies. Yeah, so most of what Doge is finding you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes. It's very obvious basic stuff. So in every government department, I say every because we've not yet found a single exception, there are far too many software licenses and media subscriptions, meaning many more software licenses and media subscriptions than there are humans in the department.

Like you were saying, like an agency with 15,000 people might have 30,000 licenses. Yes.

And even of the 15,000 employees, a good chunk of them hadn't used the license, had never logged on or used the application. Yes. We found entire situations of software licenses or media subscriptions where there were zero logins. And yet we were paying for it. Yes. The government was paying for thousands of licenses of software or media subscriptions, and no one had ever logged in even once.

Or like credit cards. You found the same thing with government credit cards. We found that there are twice as many credit cards as there are humans. And I still don't have a good explanation for why this is the case. And these are $10,000 limit cards. So it's a lot of money. Is it incompetence that you're finding? Or is this like the biggest money laundering scheme in the history of the world that you're finding? Look, I think it's mostly... If you say, look, what's the waste to fraud ratio? In my opinion, it's...

it's like 80% waste, 20% fraud. But you do have these sort of gray areas. Example. Example would be, so we saw a lot of payments going out of treasury that had no payment code and no explanation for the payment. And then we're

We're trying to figure out what that payment is, and we'd see that, okay, that contract was supposed to be shut off, but someone forgot to shut off that contract, and so the company kept getting money. Wow. Now, is that waste or fraud? Both. Both? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, both. You know you're getting something you're not supposed to get. You're not supposed to get it, but the government sent it to you, and nobody from the government asked for it back.

Take, for example, the $1.9 billion given to Stacey Abrams, a fake NGO. Utter insanity. Explain that. That's corrupt. That's just corrupt, I think. That's paying off cronies at that point. 1,000%. Yeah. And by the way, she knew. Like, when you get $2 billion, you don't miss that. That's not... It's not an accident. Allegedly, it was for, like...

environmentally friendly appliances or something. And they've given like 100 appliances so far for $2 billion. It's a very expensive toaster. But they're really nice. That's Sub-Zero fridge. Boy, it's nice. This is obviously one of the biggest scam footholds we've uncovered, which is really crazy, is that...

the government can give money to a so-called non-profit with very few controls and then that not and there's no auditing subsequently of that non-profit

So this is where with the $1.9 billion to Stacey Abrams, they then give themselves extremely lavish, like insane salaries, expense everything to the nonprofit, buy jets and homes and all sorts of things. Live like kings and queens. Yes. On the taxpayer dime. Correct. And this is happening at scale. It's not just one or two. We're seeing this everywhere.

Now, one of the things you told me about is what you call magic money computers. Oh, yeah. Well, tell us about it, because I never heard of that until you brought that up. OK, so you may think that these that the government computers like all talk to each other. They synchronize. They add up what funds are going somewhere. And it's.

you know, it's coherent. And that the numbers, for example, that you're presented as a senator are actually the real numbers. One would think. One would think. They're not. Yeah. Okay. I mean, they're not totally wrong, but they're probably off by 5% or 10% in some cases. So I call a magic money computer any computer which can just make money out of thin air. That's magic money. So how does that work? It just issues payments.

And you said there's something like 11 of these computers at Treasury that are sending out trillions in payments? They're mostly at Treasury. There's some at HHS. There's one at State. There's some at DoD. I think we found now 14 magic money computers. 14, okay. They just send money out of nothing. You have an ability to see where leverage points are.

And how things actually happen. So I remember back, I think it was September, October of this year, before the election, we didn't know who was going to win. And I was at your house in Austin. We were talking about it. And you said, look, I don't want a job in Washington. And you said, all I want is the login for every computer. And I remember thinking at the time that sounded kind of weird. Like I just didn't get it. And I have to say what's interesting on this

If I would have thought, like, okay, how do you reform government? Like, sort of the traditional way to think about it is, okay, give me an org chart. Let me sit down with the people who are running agencies. And what you saw immediately is to understand what's really going on, get to the payment systems, get to the computers. Yeah. Like, why is getting to the computers so critical to understanding what's actually happening? Well, the government is run by computers. So you've got...

Essentially, several hundred computers that effectively run the government. And if you want to know... Did you know that, Ben? No. Yeah. So when somebody, like even when the president issues an executive order, that's got to go through a whole bunch of people until ultimately it is implemented at a computer somewhere. And if you want to know what the situation is with the accounting and you're trying to reconcile accounting and get rid of waste and fraud, you must be able to analyze the computer databases. Otherwise, you can't figure it out.

because all you're doing is asking a human who will then ask another human, ask another human, and finally usually ask some contractor who will ask another contractor to do a query on the computer. Wow. That's how it actually works. So it's many layers deep. So the only way to reconcile the databases and get rid of waste and fraud is to actually look at the computers and see what's going on. So you... That's what I call... That's what I... When I sort of...

cryptically referred to reprogramming the matrix, you have to understand what's going on at the computers. You have to reconcile the computer databases in order to identify the waste and fraud. I don't know that there was anyone in Congress who understood, certainly myself included, who understood the leverage that comes from the computer and the data in particular. That Congress would think about, give me a report on what your expenditures are.

rather than actually getting into the pipes. And I think that has been fascinating that it's let you uncover a bunch of crap that just nobody knew. Yes.

I mean, in order for money to go to a bank account, it's not like we're sending truckloads of cash all over the place. We're wiring money. Right. We're sending money through the ACH system or through the SWIFT system. So in order for money to flow, it's going to flow electronically. So that's what you need to look at. You need to look at the actual electronic money flows. And Tesla and all your companies, you have accounting and you have every expenditure. You have it coded for what it's going for. Federal government doesn't work that way. They don't code what the money is going for. They do now.

But they didn't. They didn't. And like one of the things that you told me, you said if any company kept its books the way the federal government does, they'd arrest the officers and put them in jail. Yes. If it was a public company, it would be delisted immediately. It would fail its audit, and the officers of the company would be imprisoned. That's the level of wealthiness in the federal government, unfortunately. It's stunning. Deliberately, or do you think this is incompetence again? It's 80%. It's 80%.

incompetence or 20% malice. So if you look at Doge now and you look at the government and what you're finding, what percentage have you guys even gotten to and how much of it is Mars where you haven't even gotten there yet because there's so much you're finding out here? I mean, how many, you seem like a timeline guy when you say, all right, I want to get in there and get all these numbers and things. How far are we from the end game where you've seen it all, been able to process it all and

and fix it? I mean, are we years away, months away? Not years. I mean, I'm reasonably confident that we'll be able to get a trillion dollars of waste and fraud out. And that meaning that it will have

We'll have a net savings in FY26, which starts in October, obviously, of a trillion dollars. Provided we're allowed to continue and our progress is not impeded. And we're very public about what we do. Yeah, you put it on the website. It's on the website. I don't know how we could be more transparent.

Literally every action we do, small or large, we put on the doge.gov website and we post on the X handle. And when people complain about it and they say, oh, you're doing something unconstitutional, I'm like, well, which of these constant things... You're doing it in the daylight. Everyone knows exactly what you're doing. Extreme transparency. Yeah.

I don't think anything's been this transparent ever. So five years ago, you were a hero to the left. You were cool, you had electric cars, you had space. And in five years, you've gone... I could go to a party in Hollywood and not get dirty looks. Yeah. In fact, yeah. Now you might not even get invited. I'd still get invited, but I don't know if I should go. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say today, after Donald Trump,

The left hates you more than any person on earth. Yes, I appear to be number two. I mean, if you're judged by the various signs, they... It's derangement. It's Trump derangement syndrome and Elon derangement syndrome. How is that for you? That's a little bit of whiplash of going from being like Mr. Cool to the devil incarnate in just a couple of years. Is that kind of weird to experience that transformation? Yes. Why do they hate you so much? Well, because we're clearly over the target.

if doge was ineffective if we were not actually getting rid of a bunch of ways from ford and a bunch of that ford uh i mean the forward we're seeing is overwhelmingly on the on the left i mean there's it's not zero on the right but uh these ngos are almost all left-wing ngos that are being funded for example yeah um so they they hate me because doge is being effective um and doge is getting rid of a lot of uh ways before that they were

that people on the left were taking advantage of. That's what it comes down to. And the single biggest thing that they're worried about is that Doge is going to turn off fraudulent payments of entitlements. I mean, everything from Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, disability, small business administration loans, turn them off to illegals.

This is the crux of the matter. This is the thing that, why they really hit my guts and want me to die. And do you think that's billions, hundreds of billions? What do you think the scale is of that? I think across the country it's well above 100 billion. Maybe 200 billion. So...

By using entitlements fraud, the Democrats have been able to attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants. And by voters. And by voters, exactly. They basically bring in 10, 20 million people who are beholden to the Democrats for government handouts.

and will vote overwhelmingly Democrat, as has been demonstrated in California. This is... It's an election strategy. Yes. It's power. Yes. And it doesn't take much to turn the swing states blue. I mean, often a swing state might be won by 10,000, 20,000 votes. Sure. So if the Dems can bring in 200,000 illegals and over time get them legalized, not counting any cheating that takes place, because there is some cheating, but even without cheating, if you make...

If you bring in illegals that are 10x the voter differential in a swing state, it will no longer be a swing state. And the Dems will win all the swing states, just a matter of time, and America will be a permanent, deep blue socialist state. The House, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court will all go hardcore Dem. They will then further cement that by bringing in even more aliens. So you can't vote your way out of it.

Their objective is to make it permanent. One party socialist state. And it'll be much worse in California because at least California is mitigated by the fact that someone can leave California. Right, you can go to Texas. Yeah, exactly. So you're going to make everywhere California a bit worse. By the way, the middle of the pandemic, I spent 45 minutes on the phone with Elon. He was still in California. I was walking my dog Snowflake.

and trying to convince you, come to Texas. The commies in California can't stand you. We love you. We want you here. And you didn't quite go then, but you went not that long afterwards. I mean, the COVID actions almost killed Tesla because every other auto plant in the country was allowed to open, but ours, which was in California, was not allowed to open. Wow. So they almost killed Tesla. So as a personal matter, did

Do you ever regret it? Like five years ago, you go to the Oscars and were Mr. Cool, and now you've got death threats every day. Well, these days the Oscars are boring. I wouldn't want to go. God bless the movies they nominate no one on earth has ever seen. Could they actually nominate a movie that human beings go watch? I mean, how many great movies have come out in the last several years?

Very few. Depressingly few. Yeah, very few. The last Oscars came and went. I didn't even watch it. There's nothing to see. I was sad that Gene Hackman just passed away because Unforgiven was spectacular. But that was a long time ago that Unforgiven came out. You've mentioned today here and before about the possibility of someone wanting to take you out, dealing with the death threats.

Yes, it's not in my imagination. You can just look on social media. But like, is it because... And look, I'm very familiar with that. And they've got signs. There are people with signs and demonstrations saying that I need to die. Do you think...

Are these just whack jobs, or do you think there are foreign... They're not sane people. Do you think there are foreign entities behind this? Do you think there are domestic entities behind the threats? And also the attacks to Twitter, not Twitter, Tesla. I mean, you know, you're getting Tesla's charging stations lit on fire. Do you think that's organized and paid for? Yes, at least some of it is organized and paid for. I think by domestic, you know,

Basically, left-wing organizations in America funded by left-wing billionaires, essentially. Is it like ActBlue? ActBlue is one of them. Arabella, the classic. It's funded by the left-wing NGO...

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How big of a threat is this to what you build at Tesla? I mean, I remember when Teslas came out, it was people that they didn't want to have gas cars. A lot of it was environmental reasons. I jokingly said, I was like, I'm a Texas guy. I'm always going to have something that burns gas. My kids now, all three of my boys...

Think that the that teslas are awesome The cyber truck is the car they want their dad to buy which I laugh because I never could have imagined that Five years ago, and now i'm looking at well, we're at the white house and the president's tesla's parked right outside Which is the fullest damn thing You've changed a generation when you look at my kids are six and eight and they're going dad buy a cyber truck And i'm considering it. That's a that's a full circle in a weird way. Yeah

Well, I do have this theory that the most entertaining outcome is the most likely. So, yeah, it seems often to be true. What twist or turn of fate would generate the highest ratings? If we were a TV show, what twist or turn of fate would generate the highest ratings? There's a good chance that happens. Well, I will say if ActBlue and Arabella Networks... ActBlue is a huge scam, X-Level.

Do you think it's foreign money, Chinese money? Where do you think the money in ActBlue is coming from? How do you figure that out? Well, it's not coming from a whole bunch of, from a groundswell of public support. Because when individual donors looked at in ActBlue, a bunch of them turned out to be like diehard Republicans, people that have never given money in their life. So you're going to track down a bunch of these people where it says, oh, I gave $16,000. And they're like, I didn't give $16,000. What are you talking about?

Republican friends of mine have found themselves on the ActBlue list. They're like, it definitely wasn't me. If it can actually be shown that they are funding firebombing of Tesla charging stations, that's objectively a criminal act. That is funding terrorist activity. And the statutes make clear that an incendiary device qualifies. So that's a big deal. It brings things down as a terrorist activity. Let me ask A.I.,

In 10 years, how is life going to be different because of AI for just a normal person? Well, 10 years is a long time. In 10 years, probably AI could do anything better than a human can, cognitively. Probably almost, I think in 10 years, based on the current rate of improvement, AI will be smarter than the smartest human. There will also be a massive number of robots, right?

So humanoid robots. By the way, I've got to ask, how come your robots look so much like the creepy robots for my robot? Was that intentional or just... I was hoping he was going to say, yeah, just to mess with you. It's not meant to look like any prior robot. And we'll iterate the design. You'll be able to have a lot of the robot parts are cosmetic. You'll be able to switch out the...

Kind of snap on cosmetic parts of the robot, make it look like something else you'd like. So there'll be ultimately billions of humanoid robots. All cars will be self-driving. In 10 years? In 10 years, probably 90% of miles driven will be autonomous. Huh. Wow. That fast? Yeah. Yeah.

In five years, probably 50% of all miles driven will be autonomous. Now, if AI will be smarter than any person, how many jobs go away because of that? And what do people do if you've got millions of people that are losing their jobs? A lot of people are understandably freaked out about that. Well, goods and services will become close to free. So it's not as though people will be wanting in terms of goods and services.

um so why is that what why are goods and services free in an ai world or close to free well you have i don't know what tens of billions of robots uh that they will they will make you anything or provide any service you want um for basically next to nothing um it's not that people will be uh will have a lower standard of living they'll have actually a much higher standard of living but the challenge will be uh

Fulfillment. How do you derive fulfillment and meaning in life? Is Skynet real? Like you get the apocalyptic visions of AI. How real is the prospect of killer robots annihilating humanity? 20% likely. Maybe 10%. On what time frame? After 10 years. So soon, like you see a world where that's possible. Yeah. But you can look at it like the glass is 80-90% full.

Meaning like 80% likely we'll have extreme prosperity for all. Now, I guess my view, we're in a race to win AI. We're in a race with China. And my view is if they're going to be killer robots, I'd rather they be American killer robots than Chinese. How likely are we winning right now? Is America winning right now? And how likely is America to win the race for AI vis-a-vis China or anyone else?

For the next few years, I think America is likely to win. Then it will be a function of who controls the AI chip fabrication. The factories that make the AI chips, who controls them? If more of them are controlled by China, then China will win. More of the factories that are making the AI chips. You think that will determine it? Yes. And how are we doing versus China on that front?

Well, right now, almost all the advanced AI chip factories, they call them BABS, are in Taiwan. And what if China invades Taiwan? Which is 69 miles away from... What happens if China invades Taiwan, what happens to the world? Well, if they were to invade in the near term, the world would be cut off from advanced AI chips.

And currently 100% of advanced AI chips are made in Taiwan. How fast can we put that online in America? And how important is that for national security? I think it's essential for national security. And we're not doing enough. You're 53 years old. I'm 118 days older than you. But what the hell have I done in my life? I know, right? 53 years old. You did pretty well. Well, so 71 was a great year.

And I was December 70, so I was just right before. You were the summer of 71. I was born 69 days after 420. Wow.

I did ask Ben. This is true. This is true. All right. You just opened up a can of worms. I did ask Ben, should I show up and pull up a joint and say, can we beat Rogan's views? But I was pretty sure it might cause a scandal if we smoke pot in the White House. It just turned out to be like a chocolate cigar. Yeah. Listen.

Let me ask you, if today was your last day on Earth, I'm not suggesting it's going to be, but if it were, what do you think your biggest legacy would be? Of everything you've done, 100 years from now, what do you think people would remember if it were zero to today? And will you ever go to space? In the distant future, 100 or 1,000 years ago, if SpaceX got humans to Mars, that's what they would remember me for.

All right, final set of questions. Who's the smartest guy you've ever met? You hang out with some brilliant people. What's a CEO you look at other than yourself? What CEO do you say, damn, that guy's good? Larry Ellison's very smart. So I'll say Larry Ellison's one of the smartest people. Larry Page. I mean, there are a lot of people that are very smart. It's hard to say. I think to some degree, smart is as smart as. So...

What have they done that is difficult and significant? Jeff Bezos has done a lot of difficult and significant things. I mean, there are a lot of smart humans. I call them smart for a human. A lot of people who are in the smart for a human category. All right, final lightning round. Star Wars or Star Trek? The first movie I saw in a theater was Star Wars, so I think it had a profound effect on me. I was six years old, I think. Imagine if the first movie you ever see...

In a theater? Star Wars? That's going to blow your mind. Best Star Wars movie? Empire Strikes Back. The only objectively right answer. I stood in line for three hours with my dad to see it on opening day. Kirk or Picard? I like them both, but Kirk. Again, objectively right answer. By the way, James T. Kirk is a Republican and Picard is a Democrat. And the left gets very mad when I say that. Best Star Trek movie? I mean, the first Star Trek movie, maybe?

Now that's in... Wrath of Khan. Wrath of Khan. Actually, both Wrath of Khans were pretty good. But yeah, the original Wrath of Khan. Ricardo Montalban. Revenge is a dish best served cold. It is very cold in space. Although I will say...

Rathacon is objectively the right answer, but four is a sleeper. When they go back to San Francisco and go find the whales and Scotty picks up the mouth and talks to it and goes, a keyboard, how quaint. That's a sleeper. All right, last question. Did Han shoot first? It seemed like he shot second.

This is verdict. And by the way, I apologize, Ben. So Ben was a jock and played tennis at Ole Miss. And so occasionally when we geek out a little bit. I love watching y'all geek out over there. He's still on the question. I love it. The alien missed his bachelor shot.

So why did he miss his vassal shot? It must have been because he got shot first. Nobody's missing a point-blank vassal shot unless they get knocked or killed. But it's a question of real consequence. Which is, is Han Solo simply a hero or an anti-hero? And so I'm in the Han shot first category.

I don't like sanitized stories. We would have had to have shot first, because otherwise, why would the alien miss a point-blank range? Are you ever going to go to outer space? Is that something in your life goals? Yeah, I'd like to go to Mars at some point. And people have said, do I want to die on Mars? And I say, yes, just not on impact. Now, that's a very good answer. The astronauts on the space station, are they political prisoners? Some of them are. Because you could have given them a ride back and...

Joe Biden said no purely for politics. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's been some debate about this online, but the thing is that it was a very high-level decision. So it wasn't really even a NASA decision. It was just that the Biden White House did not want to have someone who was pro-Trump rescuing astronauts right before the election. So they pushed it. Well, if you're one of those astronauts, you've got to be pretty pissed off about that.

Well, if they're a Democrat, yes. If they're a Republican, yes. But if they're a Democrat, everything's fine. Fair enough. So I think one of them is a Republican, one is a Democrat. It depends on which one you ask. Well, thank you, Elon. This was awesome. And let me say, and by the way...

I put out on X the day before yesterday, if you were having a beer with Elon and could ask him anything, what would you ask? And got lots of responses. The most common response people said is say thank you. Look, Texans and the American people appreciate what you're doing. You don't have to put up with this BS and you're doing it. I'm grateful. You're making a hell of a difference for this country. I appreciate you and the Americans appreciate you.

It's essential for the future of civilization. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing it. Yes. It's not like I want to get death threats, you know? No. All right. Now, part two of this interview with Elon Musk and some bigger breaking news that we're going to have for you about corruption in the government will hit on Wednesday morning. So make sure you hit that subscribe or auto-describe.

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