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Let you know we've got some fantastic guests joining. Omid Malik and Donald Trump Jr. of 1789 Capital. They'll be talking to us about the parallel economy, some projects they're working on, some very exciting stuff, and just also how the administration's doing because...

Yeah, I think the president's son, administration insider, pretty sure he's a guy who knows some things about what's going on with his dad. So we'll talk to him coming up here in just a little bit to both of them, Omid and Don Jr. And then we've got May Mailman, deputy assistant to the president, talking about the Supreme Court ruling. So we got the white the White House wanted to weigh in officially with us on this one.

You know, we saw them a couple weeks ago, talked to everybody, the whole gang. You know, it was, of course, Big Daddy Trump, and then also all of the various West Wing staff and National Security Council folks. And so we really got a chance to catch up with everybody. But there's some big stuff coming down today.

First up, we've got to get Clay in the French cuff and suspenders with the monogram shirts today, everybody. If you haven't seen the movie Wall Street, it's just a great touchstone. You need to see Wall Street.

Gordon Gekko, one of the great characters of all the 80s, I would say. Gordon Gekko is a first-rate 80s movie villain that everybody kind of loved, even though he was technically the villain or the antagonist.

historic rebound S&P 500 all time new highs hmm here we are it is June I remember clay just a few months ago Trump's tariffs are gonna destroy the economy oh my gosh um yeah no that's actually not happening at all and clay point out to me right before the show you know there's a lot of money coming into the Treasury from tariffs and prices aren't rising and the economy is quite frankly

kicking ass right now. I mean, it's going to take some more, but it's going in the right direction. So we can discuss more about that, and I think that's something to celebrate. But the big stuff coming down this morning from the Supreme Court, we've got the... Now, I've got to get into this a little bit. These are both big wins. Let's start with the bigger win, I would argue, because it's broader, dare I say almost universal in its scope.

And it is the Supreme Court 6-3 came down and said on the issue of birthright citizenship, which has gone before the court and is being addressed still, but on the ability of circuit court judges to give universal injunctions that go beyond the relief of just an actual complainant. Am I saying that right, Clay? That...

They can no longer do that. Essentially, they can't just do, judges can't just do these, I don't like Trump, I get to shut him down. I don't, you know, they can't go to some lunatic liberal judge. Clay, they're still, they can still bring suits. It's been, you know, sent on remand to lower courts to, they're going to bring more suits about, you know, this isn't about birthright citizenship at all yet. That still remains to be seen. But ultimately,

But on the universal injunctions, which is the primary method of slowing Trump down in policy so far in this administration, this is a big win for Trump. And also just shows you they are right on the law. Trump, his team, they've been correct on this.

Yeah, this is really important. And we asked this question after Trump won. We said, where is Trump 2.0 resistance going to come? We talk about the bedraggled, sad protest that we drove through right before the inauguration.

Free palace time. I mean, it was kind of cold. There was a bunch of old ladies walking around. I'm going to give them some hot cocoa. I actually felt bad for them and their purple hair and the whole thing. I just felt so bad for the people who were protesting because it was cold and there was hardly anybody there. And there was some sort of loser guy beating on bongo drums in the cold rain. It was like 34 degrees and raining.

They haven't really been able to mobilize any kind of significant protest. And the no Kings thing was a total joke too. It had no impact. The oligarchy tour, all that. So they haven't been able to mobilize any kind of mass resistance on the streets. Even the ICE protest got snipped in the bud, so to speak, really rapidly. And so they haven't been able, there's no Democrat protest.

authority figure in any way who has emerged as the anti-Trump that is coalescing disagreement. And so most of the opposition has come from the judiciary. And there are whatever it is, 600, nearly 700 federal judges. And by unprecedented numbers, they've been striking down decisions that Trump made and issuing these nationwide injunctions.

And the Supreme Court 6-3 said most of the time that's going to be improper, which is actually super important. And this is me being a legal nerd here.

The precedent the Supreme Court has put in place, this is important, would theoretically also restrict a super right-wing judge from one day being able to strike down nationwide what a Democrat president did. Now, that hasn't happened on the same level anywhere near, but in the event that, let's say, that AOC is one day president,

And there's a judge in Alabama or Texas that really kind of lights them up and tries to enjoin nationwide something that the president AOC is doing under this precedent. They would not have the ability to do it. It's the right decision, Buck. And let me lead legal nerd out here a little bit.

The supreme law of the land is whatever five judges at the Supreme Court say it is. That means you have to get five judges by and large to agree with you. There are some exceptions. Sometimes judges recuse themselves. So I'm not getting directly into the legal weeds here. But as a general rule, five judges are required to have a nationwide law.

What has been happening is, if you think about the flowchart, there are 600-some-odd federal district court judges. All of those federal district court judges are inside of circuits. There are 13 circuits nationwide, federally. Every one of their judgments then goes to the circuit court level. Circuit court judges...

typically sit not in full totality but what's called en banc which means that you're going to usually get three judges ruling on a district court judge meaning three judges are required to do anything at a district court level uh to review a district court decision then you can ask for the entire circuit court to rule then you would have to go to the supreme court

What has occurred is we have inverted the power structure relative to precedent such that individual judges were exercising more authority than actual Supreme Court justices or circuit court judges who were above them on the hierarchy of judicial ruling.

And so that may be nerdy and your head may be exploding, but effectively what the Supreme Court is saying is this is an inversion of how judicial rulings are supposed to go. They are slapping down these individual judges and saying you can't issue a nationwide injunction to try to overturn a president's decision. Ultimately, that comes down to five people at the Supreme Court who have final say, not one federal district court judge, which

which is the right ruling, and it's actually...

a rational, reasonable ruling when it comes to separation of powers because otherwise you have 600 some odd federal judges who have veto authority over presidential power and no democratic way to ever remove them from office by and large because district court judges have lifetime tenure. So that is me jumping into the legal pool and explaining here it is a significant ruling and it will have a significant impact on everyone

limiting their ability to infringe on presidential authority, whether it's Democrat, Republican, or some party we don't even know of that's going to rule in the years ahead. Big deal. There's also a Supreme Court decision that came down that allows parents to opt out of LGBTQIA++ reading propaganda.

which is, I think, another big win for this administration.

And it shows, you know, Ron DeSantis here in Florida is very clear about this. There's all these memes and things flying around. It's like, yeah, in Florida, you know what? We're okay with just not having pornographic materials in third grade reading rooms for kids. You know, that's how we roll in Florida. You can push for other stuff in, you know, California or wherever. But that's not how we do things here. So another win for the administration. But, Clay, I just, this goes on this big heap of,

Of the so-called look that the legal intelligentsia is as corrupt and partisan as the media, you know, news, news, journalism, intelligence, more. I think you're I think more is correct. I think more is correct. Well, they're very close. They're very close.

I'm still blown away that sports media is more left-wing than the news media. I did think that was one of the craziest. Sports media is worse than legal media and regular political media. I actually thought you needed to be put in a rubber room when you said that, but no, the more I've seen, the more I know. You would know, and they are completely insane. I don't know how it's possible, but they are. I don't really, I didn't know much about them. But the legal intelligentsia, I mean, people like Lawrence Tribe, so many others,

They tell you Trump is shredding the Constitution or Trump is doing. And you look at the arguments, you go, hold on a second. No, what he's doing makes perfect sense. If you read the Constitution and just have a basic understanding of the rule of law, it aligns with what he's doing. And then sure enough, when it makes its way up to the court. Yeah, I know they're going to say, oh, it's because the court is more conservative. Amy Coney Barrett is not a rubber stamp for Trump. OK, OK.

Yeah, she is the you know, she wrote the majority opinion on this. Amy Coney Barrett is perfectly happy to tell Trump to, you know, long walk off a short pier, so to speak. She does not care. And even she had to say, we can't have federal judges overruling the president on a whim on any policy they want. That is completely and think of all of the people. Clay and I have been telling you this is insane. This is insane. This has to stop.

Look at all the people you see going on MSNBC. These judges are defending the Constitution. They're wrong on everything because they're lying all the time. I also think, Amy Coney Barrett, I'm going through some of these rulings.

She may be getting fed up with Katonji Brown Jackson just being a moron. This is about as, hey, you're unbelievably dumb as you will get. And again, I'm going to read it to you. This is from Amy Coney Barrett. The principal dissent focuses on conventional legal terrain like the Judiciary Act of 1789 and our cases on equity. Okay, it's basically saying, hey, I disagree with you, but you've made a plausible, reasonable legal argument that...

someone could make. Justice Jackson, however, chooses a startling line of attack that is tethered neither to these sources nor, frankly, listen to this, Buck, to any doctrine whatsoever.

Waving away attention to the limits on judicial power as, quote, mind-numbingly technical query. This is as close to you are a moron as you will get in judge speech, which, again, legal nerding out. When someone says a startling line of attack that is tethered neither to sources nor, frankly, any doctrine whatsoever, it's basically the law is whatever I choose to make up.

is what Katonji Brown Jackson, Justice Barrett, is alleging here. And again, I think...

Whatever you think about Justice Kagan, she is intellectually, I think, a legal heavyweight. Doesn't mean that I agree with all of her rulings. I think that Sotomayor and Katonji Brown Jackson are not even in the top half of intellectual ability for an average lawyer in America today.

That is a profound indictment of their selection for the Supreme Court. Again, they're a brilliant liberal left-wing legal theorist. I took classes from them that could sit on the Supreme Court. When I hear Sotomayor and Katonji Brown Jackson's questions and when I see some of their written opinions, which even aren't even being written by them, right? The clerks are doing it.

I question whether they are in the top half of legal acumen for average practicing lawyers. I really do. I think, Clay, if you gave me two weeks to study, I could beat Sotomayor in a legal knowledge contest, never having gone to law school. Two weeks.

I would need two weeks. No, that is bold. But you know what's funny is I kind of think there's a benefit. Clay, she gets smoked. She gets smoked. I'm telling you right now. I kind of think there is still a benefit to old school when you just had to sit and read all the books and that was how you studied to go to school.

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We're joined now by two buddies of ours who have important things to talk to you all about. Omid Malik, he's the founder of 1789 Capital, and Donald Trump Jr., who is also involved with 1789 Capital. They're working hard on the parallel economy, working hard on saving America. Gentlemen, appreciate you being with us. Thanks, and tell us what you're up to these days. This is Omid. Great to be with you guys again. You can hear me okay? Yeah, we got you. Loud and clear.

Beautiful. So what we're most excited about, there's a ton of stuff that we can talk about today, but most, I think, imminently, you know, we've talked about this before. What Don and I have been doing for almost five years now is trying to protect our constitutional rights in the private sector. Last time we spoke, I was talking to you guys about the First Amendment and transactional freedom with public square.

Well, we're moving on now, and we're going to try to protect the Second Amendment, which has definitely been under attack, as you guys know. We're taking a company called Grab-A-Gun public just in a few weeks here. The deal is going to close on July 15th and ring the New York Stock Exchange bell right after that to have this company get over $100 million of cash.

and to be a publicly traded company, it's basically like an Amazon of guns and ammunition. So we're super excited about it. And that's what we've been making the rounds on. I want to talk to you and your listeners about. That's awesome. We're talking to me, Malik, 1789 Capital, also Donald Trump Jr. I saw you guys in D.C. recently.

And we're fired up. I mean, full disclosure, Buck and I are invested with 1789 Capital. We believe in a lot of what you guys are doing. You've now been, I'll address Donald Trump Jr. here, seeing the craziness since your dad came down that escalator about a decade ago.

We had a big decision to make. Democrats did. Hey, are they going to be crazier or are they going to come back to sanity? It seems like they have doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on crazy, which means these alternative investments building new conservative American valued companies is even more of a great investment thesis going forward.

I think so, 100%, guys. You guys have seen it. We've been talking about it. I mean, what my father and the administration has been doing, trying to stop the sort of politicization and weaponization of government, Omid and I are trying to do in the private sector. For so long, companies that...

things that followed the basic tenets of American freedom and liberty, they'd be shut down. The big guys on Wall Street wouldn't give them funding, even if it was a great business, because they didn't check off some boxes of some woke nonsense that's out there. So you can't just take care of the stuff from the government side. You also have to do it from the private sector. So I think...

You're taking a gun company public on the New York Stock Exchange as sort of an ultimate, you know, maybe FU to some of the nonsense that we've seen out there that we have to combat. And you're 100 percent right, Buck. I guess that was Clay.

that what we've seen out there right now is even in the last election, right, there was a mandate from the American people to just bring back common sense, bring back normalcy, bring back some decency. But the Democrats can't even seem to grasp that. You saw what happened just this week in the New York City Democrat primary election.

where you took a guy like a radical leftist like Andrew Cuomo, and rather than a guy like that winning, we're at least fine. We understand what he did during COVID. He was a dictator. He was all these things, and yet it didn't matter. We're going to find someone even more radical than that, someone who's an avowed Islamist communist who says,

said some of the craziest things in the world. And I mean, the quotes that I see on a daily basis, spewing woke nonsense, you know, LBGT rights or whatever. I can't even like you read it. It's like I feel like I'm watching an episode of South Park. So, you know, I think that bodes well for conservatives in the future because the average American certainly isn't there. But the leaders of the Democrat Party, they can't even disavow. They can't even do it. They can't help but

perpetuate this kind of nonsense. And you saw that with the silence and or glowing endorsements from Bill Clinton, from Chuck Schumer, about this guy that's probably the most radical person to ever be possibly elected into American politics. Speaking to Omid Malik and Don Jr., of course, Don Jr., Donald Trump Jr.'s son, of 1789 Capital, they're telling us about Grab-A-Gun.com, new project they're working on that is going to...

revolutionize the online gun buying industry. But guys, Omid, I want to put this to you. I remember, and I know you do too, what it was like just a few years ago in those dark days of the Biden administration, for example, when there was this sneer of whatever conservatives, build your own internet, build your own Amazon, build your own payment processors.

Talk, if you could, about what we're seeing with the creation of that parallel economy, which is really just a free speech and capitalist economy, one that isn't overrun by woke madness. But what are some of the steps that you're involved with or some of the projects that you see on the horizon where the business of the American people can be business again and not announcing their pronouns in every email?

Well, I think the first thing is just going back to exactly you were there right next to us helping us build this whole thing. But it all starts really the modern history of this issue with a company called Parler. I don't know if you guys remember that company. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So one of our business partners was the main funder of that, a woman named Rebecca Mercer. It was exactly what you said. Back then, we didn't have any of the social media companies. Facebook was against us. Remember, Twitter was totally against us. So there was really no outlet. So they used to say, well, if you don't like it, go build your own. So a bunch of conservatives did. They went and they started Parler. It became the number one social media app in the country.

And in January of 21, three big tech companies colluded and destroyed it. Amazon, because of Amazon Web Services, and then Apple and Google, because they then worked together and let you download it on your phones, either the Android or the iPhone.

And now the major question that I started thinking about at that time, and this is where Don and I really started getting going on this, was what if there were elements of the federal government that told them to do that, that they just didn't act as private companies, even though they're probably monopolies.

And that's where you had this nexus for kind of this joining of forces to really deprive us of our constitutional rights, because that's the key. If the federal government was getting involved in using private companies to backdoor the suppression of speech, which, by the way, all of us on our phone and your listeners know, they were definitely doing that during COVID. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So they were using private companies that went along with it, which they never should have, to deprive us of our rights. It was at that point we knew we had to fight back.

And one of the first steps in fighting back was what Don and his dad did with a company called Truth Social, which went public via SPAC.

You saw the overwhelming success of that company. And what that signaled to those of us who were financiers and wanted to do something was that people were so fed up. They weren't just going to vote at the ballot box. They're going to vote their dollars now, too, and support a company to go public. You then saw it with Rumble, which Don was one of the first investors in. You then saw it with Public Square, which me and Don took public two years ago. And now you're seeing it again here with Grab-A-Gun.

And this is how we're going to fight back. It's by promoting and providing that financing that Don is talking about. That's how they were winning. They weren't allowing banks under the ESG paradigm to even loan to gun companies, even if they're profitable. So it's this uneconomic behavior that's

that then provided the opportunity for us to push back. And by the way, it's totally capitalistic what we're doing. If you want to ruin your company and make it woke and only kind of cater to those random voices that we know are not the majority of the country, go ahead and keep doing that. It makes no sense. But Don and I, you guys, and a bunch of the rest of us are going to join forces when we all became friends during the dark days of the Biden administration and provide the rest of the country options across the board in every aspect of their lives.

You know, you guys, I believe, both have daughters. And congratulations to you, Donald Trump Jr. I think that was really well said, Omid. Your daughter's going to be going to play at the University of Miami. And she's a great golfer. But I think this really crystallizes for a lot of our audience. And Buck has learned it, too. The sports media became so far left-wing that they started arguing men should be able to win women's championships.

And as the fathers of daughters, and I know we've got a lot of people out there that are driving their daughters around all over the country during summer to do competitions at the highest level. I'll start with you, but I want you to weigh in too on this, Omid. But as the father of a daughter accepting a golf scholarship, she's an incredible athlete. What do you think, Donald Trump Jr., when you see men say, hey, I should be able to win women's championships?

I think it's insane, and I think the rest of the country thinks it's insane. I mean, the whole trans mafia thing was sort of a wild way. I had this group of people that's 0.02% of a population somehow were able to become so holier than thou, so beyond reproach that no one even questioned it. I was one of the early guys on this issue because, again, being a girl dead, having young female athletes die,

You know, trust me, the triple headers of T-ball and the equivalent, that's brutal. What I was always shocked is, you know, where are the moms that are doing a lot of this work as well, that they're just going along with this nonsense blindly? And I started tweeting about it. I think the Daily Wire put up an article a couple weeks ago. It was like, wow, Don Jr. was on this issue in, like, 2017 when it was like one or two, you know, state championships being won, you know, by a dude. And it wasn't really that big. I'm just like, this is absurdity.

And this was Twitter 1.0, right, before there was free speech on there. So it was 90% radical left, 10% conservative. And I put up these tweets about it, and I knew it wasn't something that was real. I knew it was always fake and made up because even then, when it was stacked against me, I put up these tweets, and the haters that just want to comment on anything that I post would be on there and be like, oh, I can't believe it. I hate Don Jr. so much, but he's actually 100% right on this.

Even the left didn't buy into it. So, you know, this is a 90-10, if not a 99-1 issue that is so basic. But, you know, I guess the problem you have is some of the people, you know, the soccer moms whose entire lives delve around virtue signaling and being able to impress their friends in a line at Starbucks while actually not fighting for anything real. You know, they made that thing a little bit more real than it ever was. But I think

it's dying. And you see that in the numbers. You see that in the polling. You see that in people who aren't otherwise political, could even be left-leaning, coming out and saying, OK, yeah, enough is enough of this stuff. It's actually not so. I think that whole thing has jumped the shark, but it continues to this day. Obviously, my father campaigned on this thing. His administration is going to do what they can from the federal government standpoint side of it. But I love the Democrats and especially the power players in the Democrat Party just

forcing themselves to go all in because, well, Trump said X, so we have to do the exact opposite of X and go all in on the issue because they're just ostracizing the American public. They're showing people how far out of touch they really are because no one's actually bought in on this. No one who has a daughter actually thinks this is a good idea. And frankly, no one who has a son, other than people who are perhaps gaining it to get their son, who was otherwise a journeyman athlete, some sort of scholarship,

Unless they're playing that game, which I'm sure some are, no one believes in this nonsense. But it was a shame watching sports over the last decade. ESPN, it's like I can't tell if I'm watching ESPN or if I'm watching the radical left version of CNN at any given moment. They went so all in on this that it was amazing to see the sports media complex perhaps outwoke even the radical leftist in conventional political and business media.

Speaking of Omid Malik and Don Jr. of 1789 Capital, I just got one more for you, Omid, before we got to run into a break, and it's...

First of all, very exciting. You guys are on grabagun.com. I am somebody who buys guns online, so I'm looking forward to getting in on that. Also, there's some fun stuff in the big, beautiful bill that pertains to items that might be easier to purchase in the firearms world. Guys, I heard the parliamentarian is trying to strip some of that stuff out, so make sure to call your congressmen and your senators. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay, that's a good heads up. Yeah.

Oh, they're trying to mess with my suppressors? This is going to be a problem. We're going to have to light up the lines on that. Thank you for the heads up on that. But Omid, you and Don, you're investors, you're businessmen, so you've got to see the trends and you've got to be right. Today we're talking about how people's 401ks are kicking ass, the economy's looking really solid today.

What is the case for optimism that it can get better? Because it's already pretty darn good under Trump 2.0. If things go the way they're supposed to, the big, beautiful bill gets passed. What do you see in the future?

It's absolutely going to be tremendous. I'll tell you why. There is a Trump economy that's being put into place in many different aspects. The first is unleashing one of our best things that we have that we've been suppressing, which is energy. Energy makes the world go round. It's something that we've suppressed because we've had an issue, again, based on ESG paradigms and try to suppress energy.

fossil fuels. We need to unleash that. The second thing we're doing right now, as you're seeing, is we're closing the border. When you close the border, you actually increase wages for working people in America because you're not allowing legal aliens to come in and work for about three cents on the dollar. So that's also happening. The third thing that you're doing with the Big Beautiful Bill is you're codifying the Trump tax cuts. So you're going to keep corporate and personal tax

rates very low. And then what you've been able to do is also generate revenue from tariffs into our system because people have been taking advantage of us.

When you add all those things together, and here's the last part that I'm sure people are paying enough attention to, when you actually get someone like Jerome Powell, who's going to be out in January, out of the Fed, who's actually been inhibiting growth by keeping rates high, I think for political purposes, you're going to put a Fed chair that knows what he's doing in there. It's game over in a great way. You're going to see the economy rip even further. But that's another catalyst people aren't talking about. And that happens just in time for the midterms.

Omid and Don, great work as always. Thanks for calling in to tell us what you guys are up to. Keep it going, and let's keep this economy roaring and keep the parallel economy growing alongside it. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thanks a lot, guys.

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We are joined now by May Melman, Deputy Assistant to the President, Senior Policy Strategist. That's a heck of a title. But what we want to have you on is to talk about the evisceration of left-wing arguments that came out from the Supreme Court today. And I want to start with this.

I kind of broke down the legal background here of why these cases were important, but a lot of people out there are going to focus sometimes on the inner relationships between the justices. Amy Coney Barrett, you've read a lot of Supreme Court opinions in law school. I did too. Amy Coney Barrett absolutely destroying Katonji Brown Jackson's dissent in the district court judge ruling case.

really kind of made me go, wow, you don't see this go this hard a lot. Did it stand out to you too as this looked like Amy Coney Barrett's just kind of fed up with Katonji Brown Jackson as a judge more so than even in just this case? Yes, this was incredible. I think the legal term is a bench slap, but that is exactly what happened. The

So, you know, the three liberal justices did dissent and said that they think that universal slash nationwide injunctions are perfectly legal. But two of the justices, so Sotomayor and Kagan, basically gave legal reasons saying, here is why I think judges have this legal authority. And then Justice Jackson wrote a dissent that was completely unhinged from any law and just said that she...

She thinks that it's a good thing that judges basically follow Trump around and tell him what he's doing is wrong, that that's like a net good for society. And Amy Coney Barrett, who is, as you know, like if the conservatives in the world have a complaint with her, it's that she's not bold. She's not brave. She kind of goes with the flow a little bit too much. That was not her.

the case today, she wrecked Justice Jackson and said, basically, you are acting unconstitutionally. What you want has no basis in the Constitution. You want a roving, like, king judge to decide whatever you think is the law. And that's crazy. And so it was beautiful to see. Now, also, go ahead, Clay.

Oh, I thought Clay was jumping in. May, there are some other decisions that came down as well. What are your take from the White House perspective on, for example, parents being allowed to opt out for religious objection reasons from reading material that has a LGBTQIA++++ agenda?

Yeah, so this was a huge one also. It's not enough, I will say. Schools should not have this crap in them to begin with. The fact that it exists means we have a lot of work to do. But at the bare minimum, if a parent says that they have a religious objection to schools indoctrinating their kids, then...

Schools have to accept that. And the fact that this Maryland school didn't, I'm frankly shocked it wasn't 9-0 because it is that egregious of a violation of religious liberty. And Justice Alito, you know, he's a funny guy, I guess. He copied and pasted some of the pages from this book. And this is not about celebrating that different people have different viewpoints. This was indoctrinating kids to say that,

trans identification is wonderful and beautiful and that entire nations, they phrase it as princes and princesses, entire nations should celebrate gay marriage. That obviously flies in the direct face of all major religions. This is an incredible series of wins. President Trump has been stacking a lot of series of wins today.

Are you impressed that the court has been willing to apply the law as consistently as they have and actually give him all these wins and not get involved? Because what's so important about this, and I said it off the top,

One day, the precedent of presidential power is going to apply to a Democrat president in a significant way. The same thing is going to apply here when it comes to nationwide injunctions. There will be a Democrat president who also benefits from this precedent. These are the right decisions, but I guess maybe I've just gotten so used to the court playing politics and trying to be cutesy.

that I didn't think they were actually going to be as willing to uphold the law and issue these clear precedents as they have been. Does it surprise you, or are you also skeptical in some way?

I'm surprised. Nationwide injunctions is something that the justices have all hinted at that they need to address for such a long time. It's obviously such a big problem. If you ask district court judges, circuit court judges, there's been books written on it, law review articles. It's been such a big problem. And yet there's never been this... They haven't stepped up and stopped it. There are a lot of illegal things that happen all the time.

all the time that the Supreme Court has just kind of said, whatever, we're not going to deal with it. And I think conservatives, maybe it was during Obamacare, you know, maybe thereafter, were just...

If the decision was hard, if it was going to be hard, then you kind of figured they weren't going to do it. But I think actually Justice Roberts, even though that's what he cares about the most, is preserving the court's legacy, preserving his legacy, and not beclowning the court. And I think he's concerned that too many conservative rulings would beclown it. I think there is...

You know, when a good ruling comes out, my hope would be that all those times we've been disappointed, all those times we hoped that they'd do something that they wouldn't, that it would lend credibility here. And I think that's what Chief Justice Roberts would hope, too. And of course, that's not

the case, Justice Roberts might as well go for it every single freaking time because the left is not going to be more appreciative now than otherwise. But, you know, in his mind, I think that's what he hopes is like that people are going to respect this because of all the times that they've held back in the past. Speaking of May Mailman from the White House and tell us about where the big, beautiful bill stands right now. I'm hearing some complaints about

from a number of different quarters about the Senate parliamentarian getting to weigh in here. And this is something to do with tradition, not actually something that has the force of law or the Constitution involved.

And things are being stripped out by the Senate parliamentarian. What the heck is going on with that? Specifically, some some NFA National Firearms Act provisions that would allow people to buy suppressors like myself who like to go shooting and not blow out their eardrums. What's going on here, May?

Yeah, this is the swampiest of the swamp thing to understand, and it's very frustrating. But it's going to come down to a pretty big political question. So reconciliation is a process that deals with mandatory spending. So it's not – it doesn't create, hey, here's $50 billion for this, here's $50 billion for that, but rather various programs, what are different levers that you can change –

We're not messing with this, but something like it would be the retirement age. If you change that, you're not actually creating a new program. You're basically amending everything.

an existing program for budgetary reasons. So you can only do those sorts of things. And yet that's a pretty big leash because basically there's a lot of levers that you can touch for budgetary reasons. But we had a few things that we really cared about, that if you're going to spend Medicaid money, that you're not going to spend it on transgender surgeries for minors, that if you're that there's a fund for companies to help

make energy more litigation proof, basically. A lot of different fixes. And the Senate parliamentarian basically said all of those things are too much in policy and not much in affecting the levers of funding. Now, the Senate parliamentarian who elected this person, who is this person, who cares about this person, nobody. This is not a real...

This is surely, as you said, tradition to take that person's ruling and treat it as the word of God. And yet Senate Republicans love doing that. Oh, man, they love tradition so much. So I think the real question is, do they uphold tradition? Do they say the Senate parliamentarians ruling saying these things are too policy wise, like you said, on everything from the Second Amendment to transgender surgeries, you

all the way down to energy policies, all the way down? Or do you say, you know what? No, I know how to read. I know what is budgetary versus policy. And we, the Senate, we're going to make our own independent decision. So that's why it all at the end of the day does boil down to a policy choice.

May Melman, deputy assistant to the president, senior policy strategist. Okay. Big decision as it came to federal district court judges and whether they can enjoin the president from being able to act. That's a huge win.

It also implicates in some way the decision about birthright citizenship, which at some point will likely reach the Supreme Court. Now, I know I'm asking you to read tea leaves here because it is not directly addressable, but I said on the show a little bit earlier that it made me think the Supreme Court may be more open to the president's interpretation of the birthright citizenship amendment analysis than I thought.

Is that a crazy take or would you sign on potentially with that take with the understanding that we're trying to predict something that hasn't yet happened?

So I don't think it's a crazy take. I think on one hand, we knew that the Supreme Court was going to be skittish to address this issue because it is such a big issue. And so that made it a really good vehicle to focus on nationwide injunctions, right? This is something that the Supreme Court is going to move heaven and earth to just focus on that procedural vehicle and not just say, oh, you know what, let's just dive into the substance instead and forget about

process so this is something that they would love to avoid thinking about for a little bit now it's a it's difficult because even though birthright citizenship is terrible policy and the United States is unique in the globe in offering it other countries don't say oh you were here to visit you know a Disney World equivalent like now your child's a citizen that's not a thing anywhere else

But at the end of the day, there are some bad court rulings in the past that have interpreted the 14th Amendment to basically give that. Now, past court rulings that are bad are overturned when they need to be. But it's a big decision. It's a weighty decision. So I think you're right, actually. Maybe if they knew for sure they hated this, they would have just said so. But they seem to want to avoid it. And that avoidance, I think, either indicates willingness or it indicates...

It's true openness, and they're just trying to bide their time to make such a big ruling. May, we appreciate it. I got a hot take here. I'm actually pretty pleased with the Supreme Court. I don't know that that ever gets said very often. I bet a lot of people on the Trump team are as well. Have a good weekend. Good July 4th. We appreciate the time. Hey, thanks for having me.

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We will dive into some of our last news stories here of the day and things that we're going to set up for next week as well. Remember, Clay and I will be with you all Monday and Tuesday. Very special days because you'll be hanging out with us. And then I think we're both out Wednesday, right? So do we have a fabulous guest host team on Wednesday?

Tudor Dixon as our Wednesday guest host. Not only a fantastic host, but also a Michigan expert. Clay, somebody who would never make the unforgivable mistake of nullifying Michigan's bear population. You know, the proud state of Michigan. It's really disappointing that my wife, who is from Michigan, would lead me astray like that. Again, don't want to make, don't like to cast blame.

But Laura Travis, born and raised Michigander, told me there were no bears. She was actually talking about every business it felt like in Michigan has a bear in the logo in northern Michigan. You could be a roof repair place. It's like a bear on your logo. Doesn't matter. You could be selling skis or you could be selling snorkels and kayaks for the great clear waters.

Bears everywhere. My wife is like, there used to be bears, but now they're all gone. And literally the guy I've never been proven more wrong, more rapidly in the studio. They did a great job up in Traverse City, helping me fabulous people.

I finished that segment talking where you led me astray talking about flamingos. And I was like, well, it's just like the bears up here. And he turns to me and he has on his phone as we finished the show. He's like, actually, we have lots of bears here. In fact, here is a bear in my backyard yesterday photo. And I was like, well, this is not good. So I got that one 100% wrong.

I hope I don't get attacked by a bear the next time I am in northern Michigan. Have you ever seen a bear in the wild? Have you ever seen one? Yeah. Look, Buck, back when I was a kid... Oh, Mr. Tennessee, he's like Davy Crockett himself over here. Look at this. Clay from Nashville. Well, no. Look, back in the day, I don't think they do this anymore, but they used to put bear in concrete pens in, like, Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, and you could feed them. I don't think they do this anymore, but as a kid...

Pigeon Forge is basically, and I say this affectionately because I'm from Tennessee, the most redneck place in America.

And I have a lot of redneck tendencies, so I'm not judging it. But it is the only place in America where they still advertise that motels have HBO and jacuzzi tubs. It is perpetually like 1978 or 1984 there. And when I was a kid, we would take vacations to Pigeon Forge. Pigeon Forge leads into Gatlinburg. A lot of you have been to the Smoky Mountains. And Buck, they had...

As a New Yorker coming down, you would have been like, I can't believe this place is real. They had go-kart, putt-putt, and bears in concrete pins, and you could pay like $2...

and you could feed the bears well that's not a wild to be clear no but but they had them all out they had them all out in the distance in Cades Cove that was like the place where you could see the real bear but up close you could basically touch a bear you could like just give a bear food and I probably not safe probably not good for the bear um but they were everywhere and uh and so this was I was obsessed with bears as a kid because I mean why wouldn't you be

They're pretty much like big dogs, really. At least they look like that from afar. Well, you just told me somebody got killed by a bear in Florida. Leaving a dog can kill people, too. Yeah, that's true. But I saw grizzlies when I was in Alaska. And from far away, they look almost like a person in a grizzly suit. They kind of lope around, and they're all... And then they get close, and you go, that thing is very large and much bigger and stronger and scarier than me, and I should probably give it more distance. So...

Bears. We're talking about black bears. This is third hour conversation, folks. I know we're supposed to do the news of the day here, but Clay stepped into a bear trap, if you will, and now he's fighting his way out. I just want to make sure that we don't get anybody killed. These are black bears. Grizzly bears, tremendously dangerous. We have a lot of people listening to us in grizzly country, and we're talking about black bears.

Not lovable, not like big dogs. You don't want to be anywhere near a grizzly bear. So we're talking about black bears. No racism intended. Black bears, not dangerous. You know, there really are podcasts where they have full-grown men who sit there like, which animal would win in a fight? And by the way, it's very rarely a hard, you know, people think gorillas are way more fierce than they are. That's a whole other conversation. We got into that whole thing about 100 people fighting a gorilla with silliness.

But you know that there's only one in North America, one animal that consistently views, consistently views, not a mistake in identity and human beings as food. What is it, Clay? One animal that consistently eats humans intentionally? Yes. Lions. Lions.

You mean mountain lions? In the United States? I mean, like lions in Africa. No, I said North America. Oh, I missed the North America part. Yeah, North American land animal. There's only one that will view people as food. Not eat if it's sick, not opportunistic, but will be, oh, there's a person. I'm going to eat that person. I would think grizzly bear would be the answer. Polar bears.

Polar bears. Yeah. They're larger and more aggressive. And they only, remember, grizzly bears eat a whole range of things. So they'll eat, polar bears just eat seals. They're just carnivores. They really don't get into much of anything else. So it is the polar bear that if they see you, they will track you, they will hunt you, and they will eat you.

So stay away from polar bears. More of a story. When you say lion, you mean like a puma, like a mountain lion, right? Because we don't have African lions here. I mean, yes. Most lions are like 160 pounds or something. If you let them get you from the back, guys, I'm sorry, this show has gone off the rails now. I'll get us back in the news in a second. But if the mountain lion gets you from the back with its teeth, you know, in the neck, if it gets you, then you're in deep trouble. But if you square off against it, you know, I think I'd give it a swift take. I got a good right leg. You're a young dad.

I'm thinking about trying to save children. You got like a four or five-year-old out there, mountain lion, that is dangerous. I spend a lot of time when you're a dad, you spend a lot of time preparing for combat with animals. I was throwing my wife under the bus earlier for being wrong about bears, but if you asked her, I expect that I'm going to have to fight an alligator at some point in time. I wish I had to do it younger. I haven't had to do it yet. Yes.

This is like a recurring dream you have? Yeah, well, I'm always around bodies of water, and I'm always prepared for an alligator to try to attack a child. I'm always heads on a swivel. Like, I'm going down to the beach tomorrow. There are the barrier lakes. There might be alligators there.

I'm just saying if your child is, if you're drinking beer and you're not paying attention, I'm going to save your kid. I'm ready. If I'm there when an alligator attacks, I've been preparing for this my whole life. I know what to do. I know my strategy. And, you know, preparation is a huge part of the battle.

and not to go full G.I. Joe on you, but I am prepared to go after an alligator. Not a crocodile, but an alligator, which is in northern Florida what I'm going to come across most frequently.

So who wants to talk about Jerome Powell getting fired here at the end of his tenure? Jerome Powell I don't think would be very good if an alligator tried to come after your kid. Not good on interest rates. Also doesn't seem like a guy who's ready to take on an alligator either. Just late on everything. I could see Trump throwing an alligator in kind of the side headlock. One thing I will tell you about him, for those of you who haven't met him in person, I know some of you have, he is a surprisingly large and sturdy figure.

He is bigger in every sense. His hair is bigger, his shoulders. He's a big dude. He's at least 6'2", 6'3", and probably about 260, I would say. Elon Musk, similarly, is actually a monster.

He looks like Elon does like an NFL linebacker. I think we tend to think of, you know, like sort of tech guys that's sort of nerdy and wimpy size-wise. Well, this is why he said straight up, I don't care how much Mark Zuckerberg trains, I'll just kick his ass. Because Zuckerberg weighs like 130. Well, I think that's true.

I think that's true. Having seen, I don't think there's any way that he would lose that battle. I think Lauren carried jujitsu could probably still take out Zuckerberg, you know, even with his little cool, cool. I'm not getting any love on Facebook these days anyway. So what do I care? So for Zuckerberg, nobody has any respect for him. He's like trying to get back in the good grace. You know, the people talk about, you know what else we got, by the way, we got the what's his name?

And Bezos spending $100 million on a wedding in Venice. I'm going to tell you something right now. Venice, it's a one-day, maybe two-day max place. It's amazing for what it is to see some of the stuff that's there. I've never been. I've been a couple of times. It has no parks, no greenery really of any kind. It smells when it's warm out because there's a lot of sewage in that water.

So it looks really cool in photos and everything else, but, you know, and I'll tell you, the food is kind of, I'm not a big Venice guy. Other parts of Italy I love. I'm just trying to save you all the disappointment. The best thing you'll see in Venice is the scenes from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

But now, which is very well done. Oh, that's the best of the Indiana Jones movies. Yeah, I think that's probably true. Even though I used to say Raiders of the Lost Ark, I was just trying to be, I just like to be contentious sometimes. Well, you get older, you watch them. Some hold up. They hold up pretty well as a group. But production value Last Crusade is superior. So you don't agree with Bezos' decision to have a $100 million wedding in Venice? Well, what is he doing?

I know he's got the money and people will say whatever, but there's a lot of things you can do with $100 million that are far more meaningful than spending it on a... But then again, I'm a small person. This is a personal preference thing. My wife and I agree. We're small wedding people. We didn't want to do a big wedding thing. So I get it. So I'm at the whole opposite end. For me, it's like it's the church, God, immediate family. That's what a wedding is. I don't need to have this. Yeah, the average wedding now costs like 40K, right? That seems crazy to me.

I think that's what about when that's nationwide. That's if you're going to a wedding in, you know, the outskirts of Oklahoma City. Average wedding in New York is 100 grand average. That's the average cost of some of these places. That's absolutely, absolutely bonkers. But for Bezos, if you got 200 billion dollars.

I actually think that he's making, I threw Zuckerberg under the bus. I actually think Bezos is starting to behave more rationally as a reasonable guy compared to the choices that he was making in Trump 1.0. And I don't know if Lauren Sanchez, the new, uh, the new wife is deserving of this credit. Um,

He moved from Seattle to Miami. I think that might have given him a little bit of a cultural swing not to take a shot at anybody living in Seattle, but if you're a rich guy, I would much rather live in... Rich single guy, would you rather live in Miami or Seattle? I don't even see that as remotely a choice. I think Bezos is from Miami originally. Look, the Washington Post is still a mess, but I think he's been more open to free speech as have Zuckerberg

uh, in the wake of Elon Musk buying Twitter, which I think is, uh, maybe the blazed trail that they followed. And, uh, so I hope the wedding goes well. Uh, but, uh, I like to guess at some point, throw something else your way. We try to think of, uh,

fun trips to go on and and things that are worthwhile for the show you know we just went to dc and we had palm beach before that and i was just in france for uh for iheart and you know we we have to sometimes have excellent adventures here on on this show i don't know if you saw this but north korea just opened its first ever water park with room for 20 000 visitors they say

And this is the eeriest, scariest water park. I think it's in North Korea, everybody. Clay, if we were guaranteed that we would come back alive, would you want to go see the North Korean water park? I would because I think if I wrote a story about going to the North Korean water park, it would probably be an incredible story. And I don't know how many Americans will ever see it.

I can't believe that. Only open to Russians and Chinese and obviously wealthy North Koreans right now. That's the only people that are allowed to go. Kim Jong-un is a good test case scenario for what would happen if, like, the whole world of Korea is, North Korea is so crazy that he would decide, he's like the kid, who was the fat kid in Pee Wee Herman?

Do you remember the fat kid? I don't remember. What's that guy's name? The fat kid playing with the boats in Pee Wee Herman that decides he has to have Pee Wee Herman's bike in the basement of the Alamo. Francis, thank you.

Kim Jong-un is what would happen if Francis had grown up and ended up in charge of a country. If you watched Pee Wee Herman, think about it. The fat kid in the pool, that is Kim Jong-un. Francis would have been like, hey, we're going to build a huge water park and we're going to have nuclear weapons.

That is Kim Jong-un all grown up. The fat rich kid from the Pee Wee Herman movies. And it kind of sums him up. Everybody out there who's seen those movies is like, yeah, that is exactly what Francis would have been like. So there you go. And I need to tell you, by the way,

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