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What It's Like To Have An Empathetic Leader

2025/6/25
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Jacinda Ardern: 我认为即使是像我这样敏感的政治家，重视同理心和善良，也能在政治中生存和发展。身处政治之中，你已经具备了一定的韧性；当事情对你产生影响时，这实际上是有益的，因为我们需要政治家受到糟糕情况的影响，从而推动政策变革。我们需要政治家对批评保持敏感，以维持他们在任上的积极性，因此不应将敏感视为弱点，而应看到其中的优势，我们不希望政治中充斥着缺乏同理心和敏感性的人。同理心不会引发战争，而那些被描述为“强人领导”的方式才真正应该被批判。目前全球政治文化导致气候危机、乌克兰和中东的战争以及金融不安全感等问题无法解决，大多数人对政治机构甚至私营部门持有不满。富有同情心的领导力的优势在于以人为本，旨在为人们面临的问题提供解决方案，同理心并非只是作秀，而是理解人们的日常问题并采取行动。应对气候变化需要长期的政策干预和解决方案，我们需要共识，不能每三年就改变政策，而需要一个30年的计划。在解决农业排放问题时，重要的是，无论是否相信特定的气候变化政策，每个人都明白新西兰作为高价值食品生产国的环境声誉的重要性。我们从道德和经济角度出发，共同努力寻找解决方案，因为这关系到我们的贸易和声誉。无论进步派还是保守派，都应该关注民主的健康和福祉，我们需要找到解决方案，承认我们已经受到了干扰，包括虚假信息和外国干预的影响。除非我们共同努力，否则西方自由民主国家将难以维护其民主的健康和福祉，也难以应对重要的全球挑战。在人工智能发展过程中，我们需要考虑到潜在的弊端，并设置相应的防护措施，以应对新技术可能带来的负面影响。我们面临的最大挑战之一是，我们一直认为下一代会比上一代更好，但调查显示，至少有三分之一的人不再相信这一点，而且有60%的人对政治机构感到不满。我们需要讨论如何实现繁荣，如果我们的系统阻碍了我们为人民服务的能力，作为进步人士，我们需要认真思考，因为在没有解决方案的情况下，恐惧和指责很容易被政客利用。人们现在就需要解决方案，这是一个真正的挑战，当有很多杠杆，而中央政府可能没有所有的杠杆时，如何在需求如此之高的情况下尽快提供必要的服务？我的目标更多地是关注领导力，如何在这个时代突出同理心领导的重要性。我很高兴花时间关注和支持那些受到政治是一种积极服务的想法的激励，并试图以不同的方式领导的政治家。

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The episode begins by questioning the nature of national leadership, contrasting it with running a business or a state. It emphasizes the immense complexity and challenges involved, highlighting the difficulties faced by presidents and prime ministers, frequently amidst crises.
  • National leadership is vastly different from running a business or a state.
  • The job is incredibly demanding, involving managing millions of people, a military, and international relations, often during crises.
  • Empathy and sensitivity are valuable leadership traits, contrary to some political rhetoric.

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What does national leadership really look like? Despite all of President Donald Trump's rhetoric, it's not like running a business. It's not even like running a state. It's running a massive apparatus that employs millions of people and also a military, while dealing with every other country that needs to or wants to deal with your country. Frequently, it also requires doing all of that in the the middle of a crisis. Former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had to contend with a horrifying domestic terror attack and COVID-19, alongside a political environment in which she needed to appeal to rural farmers, indigenous communities and her Labour Party constituency. She joins us to talk about her new memoir, 'A Different Kind of Power,' about her rise in politics and the lessons she learned about leadership.

And in headlines: Early intelligence suggests the U.S. strikes on Iran only set the country's nuclear program back by a few months, more than 100 House Democrats joined Republicans to defeat a long-shot bid to impeach Trump over the strikes, and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. faced tough questions from lawmakers over his decision to gut experts from a key vaccine advisory panel.

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