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Turning to Isolationism, Doug Schoen on America’s Support for Israel, LA Loses Millions to ICE Protests & the NAACP Excludes Trump

2025/6/19
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Bill O'Reilly: 我认为目前关于伊朗、以色列和美国局势的报道充斥着猜测和不实信息。虽然我不确定总统是否已决定采取军事行动,但我知道相关计划已经准备就绪。媒体宣称孤立主义抬头,但我不认为大多数美国人支持完全不干预。我认为,如果伊朗的毛拉愿意投降并接受核查,或许可以避免军事冲突,但如果他们继续发展核武器,以色列肯定不会袖手旁观。 Steve Bannon: 我认为,如果美国卷入与伊朗的战争,将会分散我们驱逐非法移民的注意力,这才是我们国家当前最重要的事情。我们不能因为一场海外冲突而忽视国内安全。 Chris Murphy: 我认为特朗普政府在中东问题上表现软弱,导致我们走向一场不必要的战争。我们本应坚持外交途径,而不是轻易诉诸武力。战争只会让局势更加复杂和不稳定。 Doug Schoen: 我认为民意调查显示,大多数美国人支持以色列采取行动阻止伊朗获得核武器。然而,这种支持可能会随着时间的推移而减弱,就像伊拉克战争一样。我认为现在是采取行动的合适时机,因为伊朗政府相对较弱,而且公众舆论也支持采取行动。 Tulsi Gabbard: 我认为政治精英和战争贩子正在不负责任地煽动核大国之间的紧张关系。我们应该寻求和平解决方案,而不是让普通民众为战争付出代价。我相信他们会为自己和家人准备好核掩体,而普通人却没有。

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This chapter explores the growing trend of isolationism in the US, examining its presence across both the political spectrum and its implications for foreign policy, particularly concerning the Iran-Israel conflict. The discussion includes opinions from prominent figures and a poll suggesting that the public's support for military action is complex and nuanced.
  • Growing isolationist sentiment in the US across the political spectrum.
  • Public opinion is divided on military intervention in Iran.
  • Experts discuss the potential consequences of appeasement and the importance of addressing the Iranian nuclear threat.

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people speculating about stuff they know nothing about it, anonymous sources, a bunch of garbage, and that's why I'm glad you're here listening on our radio affiliates across the country and watching on television because we're going to set the record straight. Now, you have to know that the situation changes from hour to hour. I was on a Hannity radio program today and I said, look,

I don't have any hard data that the president has made a decision one way or the other to use U.S. air power to blow up this furlough mountain where the uranium is. I don't know if that's going to happen. I do know there are plans drawn up so that, you know, if the president says go, it'll go fast.

But at this point, I don't think he's made a decision, but I could be wrong and it could happen any time. So it's a tough story to be on top of. Yet there's so many distortions leading up to it. And that's what I'm going to do. And correct. So that's a talking points memo about isolationism.

So if you believe the media, isolationism is growing. Americans don't want to get involved with foreign entanglements, they want to get out of Ukraine, don't want any money there, they don't want to help Israel with Iran. This is what the media is pushing. And some high profile individuals absolutely fit into that isolationist category.

But the regular folks, I don't think are there, but I could be wrong. All right, because data is hard to come by. There was a poll sent to me this morning and it was some outfit that, and the poll question was, do you support military action, including ground troops in Iran? Well, no, who supports that? That's not even in play. Why do the poll?

And of course, overwhelming people, we don't want to send U.S. forces over there. I mean, air power is one thing, but infantry is quite something else. All right. But there are, as I said, isolationists. And the interesting part is they're on both sides, the MAGA conservative side and the liberal progressive side. So here's MAGA guy Steve Bannon. Go.

I'm telling people, hey, if we get sucked into this war, which inexorably looks like it's going to happen on the combat side, it's going to not just blow up the coalition. It's also going to thwart what we're doing with the most important thing, which is the deportation of the illegal alien invaders that are here. If we don't do that, we don't have a country. I don't know how an Iranian action would impact on ICE.

But that's Mr. Bannon's opinion, and he is entitled to it.

Now, on the left of the Trump haters, there's Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Go. Donald Trump is so weak in the Middle East that the Israelis essentially ran over him. And now we are speeding towards a war in the Middle East that the American people don't want. The fact of the matter is there was a diplomatic path and there potentially still could be a diplomatic path.

Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean, it's obvious the Mueller's stringing us along. How long do you want to give him? So he doesn't care. You know, Murphy doesn't care what's true. He just hates Trump. All right. So let's run it down. Here's a fact that if there is a nuclear explosion in this world, every human being will be affected. So if you're an isolationist, you got to keep that in mind. So if they...

The Iranians develop a nuclear weapon and they somehow streamline it down so it can be portably transported somewhere. It's very hard to do it from the air, but you know, and they blow something up, then everybody in the world is affected. So it's not just over there, it's here, it's everywhere. The Iranian are supporting terrorists. That's beyond any doubt. Hamas, Hezbollah, they give them money, they give them arms.

The terrible nightclub assassinations in Orlando, Florida, that was ISIS. I mean, the Iranians are up to their neck in terrorism everywhere. The mullahs admit they have the weapons-grade uranium. They, you know, they're not denying it. They have it. And they go, oh, it's for peaceful purposes. Okay. If it's for peaceful purposes, just let the U.N. in.

So let them see what you got and bring it right down. It's not hard, but the mullahs won't do that. But you got to keep in mind Saddam Hussein wouldn't do it either for weapons of mass destruction and they didn't exist and cost Saddam his life. He was killed because he lied about the WMDs and then US forces came in, deposed them and the Iraqis hung him. Didn't make a lot of sense.

To me, but he did it. And it's also very instructive to go back a little bit. Appeasement of tyrants never worked, ever in the history of mankind. It's never worked.

So the modern day history, so you remember the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain visiting Hitler in '38 and Hitler was taking Austria and Czechoslovakia and he's violating the Treaty for World War I, he's doing everything, he's rearming. I mean, obviously, the guy was going to cause trouble, massive trouble, and the British go, "Okay, go ahead."

All right, World War II breaks out. Then at the end of World War II, Winston Churchill's the prime minister and President Roosevelt and Stalin, when the war was a fait accompli that Hitler would lose, they met at Yalta. And at the end of FDR's life, he gave away the store to Stalin, gave Stalin everything he wanted. Winston was a little perturbed by it, but didn't have the power.

And General Patton was going absolutely nuts. If you read Killing Patton, that FDR was giving Stalin everything Stalin wanted. What did that lead to? The Cold War. OK, 30, was it 30, 40 years? That's what that led to. All right. So appeasement never works. So if you appease Putin, because Ukraine, you know, that's a part of this, this isolationist movement.

And if you appease the mullahs, there'll be more trouble. Don't think there won't be, there will be. 100% guaranteed. Now, if you don't believe that Iran's a threat to the world, you don't want to believe it. And there are people like that. They just live in a bubble. You know, I see it every day. Oh, they're not close to developing a nuclear weapon. And one of these people is the American National Security Director, Tulsi Gabbard.

This is an amazing story. So Gabbard doesn't see the threat, even though President Trump appointed her head of national security. He doesn't see it. Roll the tape. Political elite and warmongers are carelessly fomenting fear and tensions between nuclear powers. Perhaps it's because they are confident that they will have access to nuclear shelters for themselves and for their families that regular people won't have access to.

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And when she was appointed national security chief, I like her, by the way. I mean, I've interviewed her a number of times and I think she's a woman of conviction, but her conviction is isolationism. And Trump should have known that. So she's out. All right, let's sum this up. President Trump's not a warmonger. He doesn't really want to use U.S. air power, but there's a good chance he will.

A lot of it has to do with how the mullahs behave. If the mullahs would surrender and the UN people would go in there under US supervision and dismantle the whole thing, then there wouldn't be a need for it. That's probably a long shot. The mullahs themselves are going to wind up like Gaddafi with their throats cut in a ditch. That's going to happen to them. But if they were to surrender, maybe they could extend their lives a little bit.

The other possibility is the Iranian army will turn on the mullahs. Remote, okay, but the Persians are different than the Arabs. Popular support in Iran is not with the mullahs, but they got the secret police state going on. All right, so I can't predict with any certainty what will happen. I do know that air power plans are drawn up and Donald Trump could act on them anytime he wants.

It's up to him 100%. Israel doesn't have much say in this. Israel will have to do what we tell them to do. And Netanyahu would be thrilled if we go in and dismantle that furlough mountain. And the anti-Semites, the anti-Israel progressive crew, they're touting that we're lackeys to Israel.

You know that. That's what all those Columbia University things were all about. You know, Israel's a terrorist state, it's a genocide, on and on and on and on. But in real life, Israel's not going to let Iran have an atomic weapon, an atom bomb, a nuclear weapon, because Iran wants to kill them all. If you lived in Jerusalem, you'd feel the same way. And that's the memo.

I was bringing a guy who is watching this very closely, Doug Schoen, you know him, we use him a lot, Democrat political strategist down in Miami. So you say that you have seen a survey of 800 U.S. adults on this issue. What do they say? By two to one, they support what Israel is doing. You made the point.

in your Talking Points memo that there are isolationist elites who are speaking against any involvement or entanglement. The American people get that the Iranian regime is a terrorist regime, that they are seeking to develop nuclear weapons, and by better than two to one, they support the actions of the Israeli government to try to dismantle that apparatus.

How do you know that, though? Was this a formal poll taken? Yeah, it was a formal poll. It was done for a group. It was done for a Jewish group, full disclosure. But they didn't tell us what to ask or what to do. We asked a random sample of 800 Americans, as we would in any political poll, what they thought. And there is clear support. Now, your point is also right, Bill. These attitudes do change. We saw...

During the Iraq war, there was big support at the start, and then by the end of the Iraq war, less support. Support for Israel after October 7th, that's dissipated for the reasons we've all discussed. But bottom line, right now, there's support for action.

And I would argue, Bill, that if you're in the Trump White House, and again, I can't speak for his decision, nor can anyone, but this is a time when the Iranian government is weaker. Their proxies in the region are weaker now.

And public opinion is supportive of action against their nuclear. Yeah, it's the right time to move them if you're going to do that. One of the questions you have is, do you support Israel's actions as self-defense against Iran? Only 51% of Americans say that Israel is acting in self-defense. Does that surprise you?

No, it doesn't, because unless you're watching this very closely every day, you don't believe that Iran, which has been negotiating, I think, in bad faith, but whatever faith, you think, well, you know, they've been negotiating and maybe there was a possibility of a deal. I don't believe there was. I don't think you believe there was one. The Israelis certainly don't.

But then I think Donald Trump increasingly doubts it himself. But I could see how an ordinary person at home would say, well, you know, we should have given diplomacy more of a chance. Okay. But there comes a point where diplomacy acts against your own self-interest if it just goes on and on and on and on and on, which is what this has been. What? This is years we've been going through this, Doug.

And I told Hannity on his radio program today, it's funny when the Democrats, your party, criticizes the lack of diplomacy because none of this would have happened if not for President Biden. Once Biden surrendered in Afghanistan, then Putin started on the march. China started on the march. Iran started to upgrade its uranium and keep

kick more money because Biden and Obama gave them billions and billions of dollars into Hezbollah and Hamas. This all goes back to Biden. Yet the Democrats are now- I think it goes back to Obama and the JCPOA. Not quite as much. I walked through this. Obama made a huge mistake in

And he delivered, President Obama delivered the money to the mullahs in cash. In cash. In a private plane full of suitcases. And nobody knew about it. That tells you that that was, but Biden's weakness, and I know this because I was in Beijing three weeks ago.

Okay, and once the Chinese saw that, that Biden surrendered in Afghanistan, boom, South China Sea, all over the place, they're intruding, Straits of Taiwan, because they knew that Biden wouldn't do anything, and he didn't do anything, okay? So that Trump was handed this massive disorder throughout the world. But Trump does not want...

to use American military power because of the unintended consequences that few people understand. There will be consequences if we bomb that mountain in Iran. That's undeniably the case. Anytime you launch that kind of a strike,

the possibility for collateral risk damage and developments that we can't now anticipate are heightened exponentially. So I think Trump is ready to act from what I see. No, he's ready.

would be supportive, but whether he pulls the trigger or not, literally and metaphorically, time will tell. I think it'll be a quick decision one way or the other. Yeah, it could happen. Look, we're taping this late afternoon. It could happen an hour from now. And it's hard to get a handle on it.

on what he's, because I don't know the intel coming in. So there's a lot of intel coming in to him about the mullahs and their condition and the Iranian army and their point of view. But I think that if I had to advise the president, I have not been on this, I would say give it as much time as you can, but

tell the mullahs through the Swiss ambassador, that's how it goes, that, you know, 48 hours, you're going to get their heads cut off. I mean, I would do that behind the scenes. Having worked for five Israeli prime ministers, worked for a couple of American presidents, that's very sound advice. Yeah, because once we bomb, that's the end of the mullahs. Their regime is over. The mullahs could keep their power if they surrender.

That's correct. And that's like Gaddafi. Trump's stealing a heartbeat. Yeah. So it's like Gaddafi. All right, Doug, thanks very much. We always appreciate your expertise.

All right, over in Alberta, Canada, very beautiful part of the world, by the way. I hate that, by the way, I'm sorry. Very beautiful part of the world, period. No, by the way. Zelensky is asking the G7 nations, minus Trump, for $40 billion to carry on against Putin. So the only country that's ponied up by tape time is Canada, pledging $2 billion.

The others, are they going to? I think they will. I don't think Trump's going to abandon Ukraine. But remember, whatever Trump does, and this is so important for you to remember. So if he bombs the nuke thing in Iran, if he doesn't give Zelensky the money he wants, the press is going to crucify Trump, no matter what he does.

Okay, and that's important to understand because the press is ginning up this isolationist movement and I don't think most Americans are isolationist, but I think that's a growing crew. They really don't know what the unintended consequences of a terrorist state armed with a nuke would be. In Los Angeles, talk about a terrorist state. You know, I've been going out to LA since I'm

22 years old. Southern California, I'm just always but LA now. So it costs the city more than $20 million for these dopey no king demonstrations. And the city owes a billion dollars. So the city of Los Angeles owes a billion dollars and they pile on at least another 20 million controlling this demonstration. And they don't have the money.

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So the governor, Newsom of California, he's going to have to help the city of Los Angeles, but he didn't have any money either. He squandered everything that Jerry Brown, the former governor, left him. Jerry Brown left office with a surplus. Did you know that? Liberal Jerry Brown had a surplus because he was frugal.

And now I don't know the number, I should know it, but it's astronomical debt that they have. But LA has no money. So the former governor of California is Arnold Schwarzenegger. Okay, you know Arnold, right? Determinate that. So he shows up on The View yesterday, why no one knows, but he's there. And they get right into the immigration deal. Go. - So I think the important thing is when you become an immigrant,

to think about, "Okay, I go to America because I want to use America for the great opportunities that America has in education, in jobs, creating a family, all of those kind of things." Then you have to think about, "Okay, if I get all of those things from America, then I have to give something back." You have a responsibility as an immigrant to give back to America and to pay back to America. Don't forget, there's a...

90% of the people who come here are trying to do the right thing. Okay, well, being the whole crew are open border people, they wouldn't put any restraints on anybody to come here. And this is what ABC News is selling. But I like what Schwarzenegger said. You know, I liked it. I think that's, you know, and I, the immigrants that I know, my driver last night was up at Yankee Stadium.

He is from South Asia. And I had to deal with a guy today on a book situation who's from India. And they're here legally because I always check. And boy, they're giving back a lot. They love. And I want Homeland Security to install a review process that some of the people getting caught up in these raids have a reason to be here.

and their cases should be reviewed. I think that's fair and that should happen. So I'm pro-immigrant there, but come on. I mean, oh, 90% of them are trying to do the right thing. Okay, you can't allow billions of people to pour in here, whoopee. Don't have the money or the social protections. Boy, oh boy, these people are so dense.

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So they're not going to invite Trump. He wouldn't go anyway to address the convention. This is the first time in history, more than 100 years, the NAACP has not invited a sitting president. July 9th through 16th is their convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, and they are disrespecting Donald Trump. Why?

Under his first administration, African-American wages went up to record levels. Why are you disrespecting them? I know why. It's the Democratic Party and all that. San Francisco, worst run city in America. No surprise, right? Wallet Hub. We like Wallet Hub. They're kind of feisty. So they did a survey based on financial stability, education, health, safety, economy, and infrastructure.

All right, here are the five worst cities in the country. Number five, Philadelphia. Number four, New York City. Number three, Oakland. Number two, Detroit. And number one, San Francisco. So I can speak to all these cities. San Francisco is a mess because of progressive leadership. They allow all minor, they consider them minor. So you want to use drugs in public in front of children? Yeah, go ahead.

You want to gross people out with your personal behavior? Yeah, that's okay. You want to live on the street? You want to spit on people? You want to do it? Fine. No problem. So when you get thousands of people doing that, you've got a city of collapse. Detroit has always been a problem because of drug addiction and crime. Always. And Oakland?

Oakland is very progressive, pretty much more progressive than San Francisco. It's the same disease. You're just going over a bridge. Okay? Oakland one side of the bridge, San Francisco the other. Same mentality. Anything goes. No restraints. New York City is dominated by far-left people. Social disorder is everywhere. Weak leadership across the board, both at the city and state level. And Philadelphia is a mess.

So my message of the day is on Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. Okay. On BillOReilly.com. Now, real quick, here are the five best-run cities. Ready? I'm not going to put them on full screen, but I'll just read them off. Provo, Utah, pretty easy to govern that. Nampa, Idaho, same. Manchester, New Hampshire. Boise, Idaho. Nashua, New Hampshire. So New Hampshire and Idaho seem to be under control. Both pretty chilly, but they work.

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Video and audio through the internet, that's streaming. Okay, so through this or through your computer or you hook up your computer to your TV set, that's streaming.

Okay, and that is different obviously than getting information through an antenna that I don't have anymore or Cable which you have to pay for all right. They put in a line to your house and that's straight linear television That's the networks. That's the cable news programs. That's discovery all of that and

For the first time in history, streaming has gotten more people than the linear stuff. First time in history. 45% of all viewership in America is streaming. Okay, 44 is the other stuff, it's past. And the younger people, of course, are going to YouTube and Netflix and all of these, but so are the older people. And that's why I'm prospering so big, because we stream.

Now, we are on Linear. We're on DirecTV. We're on The First. We are. You can get us on all that. But we're on YouTube, Spotify, all of that. Boom. So I did a Stephen A. Smith podcast earlier this week. 200,000 people right off the bat. Boom. Okay? Because that's streaming and they're looking for content. And we give them good content.

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to ever go into space, in addition to be the first woman. Now, Ms. Ride was a very interesting person. Her dream was to play shortstop for the Los Angeles Dodgers. She played tennis against Billie Jean King. She was on the Muppets, and she achieved, posthumously, the nation's highest honor, Medal of Freedom, and Barack Obama gave her that.

So she died at age 61 in 2012 from pancreatic cancer. Very brave woman. And I hope they're teaching about it in high school. Sally Ride, an extraordinary individual. And we wanted to let you know that in our history segment. Final thought about you trusting other people. Back in a moment.

Final thought, I have a message of the day on trusting people. And there's a article in the Psychological Bulletin that says if you trust people, you're going to be happier. Okay, and you'll prosper more. Oh, I don't know. I don't want you to be cynical and I don't want you to be isolated. That'll make you unhappy, both of those things. But our new motto, and you may have noticed it, is trust is earned. Trust is earned. You don't automatically trust people.

In our society today, lying, stealing, scams, all of that, far more prevalent than ever before in history. When I was growing up as a kid, the 50s and 60s, you lie, you steal, you get in a lot of trouble. Now you ask any lawyer, perjury in a court of law, out of control. Nothing happens to you. You go up there, swear to tell the whole truth, then you lie your butt off, they won't do anything to you.

You could steal $900 worth of stuff in California and you won't be punished. And the voters okayed it. So I have an example in my message today where my mother, at the end of her life, I had to have 24 hour people in the house to care for her. Almost all of them stole from an old lady. So anyway, I trust a number of people. They've earned it. But other people that I did trust,

betrayed me same thing happened to you i can guarantee it every human being gets betrayed it's the reason judas iscariot has a prominent place in the new testament careful thanks for watching and listening to the newsman news we'll see you tomorrow