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DIDDY AKA “THE BARON OF BABY OIL” FUMES DURING STATE’S CLOSING

2025/6/26
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Nancy Grace: 我认为案件的关键在于肖恩·科姆斯是否会被追究责任,而他似乎在兜售自己的自由。我希望州政府能够证明其案件,尽管社区和博彩公司不看好州政府。 Tisa Tells: 我在法庭上亲眼目睹了检方清晰地阐述了科姆斯的企业是如何运作的,以及他如何控制一切,满足自己的性欲。检察官将科姆斯描述为一个犯罪企业的头目,一个不接受拒绝的人。检察官列举了科姆斯犯下的多项犯罪行为,包括绑架、纵火、强迫劳动、性侵犯、贿赂、性交易等,这引起了陪审团的关注。检察官强调了卡西·文图拉在洲际酒店遭受的袭击,以及简(化名)遭受的殴打,以展示科姆斯的暴力行为。肖恩·科姆斯最初对检察官的陈述表现出沾沾自喜的态度,但在展示卡西被殴打的截图后,他的态度发生了明显变化。检察官清晰地解释了 RICO 法案的含义,强调了科姆斯作为一个犯罪集团的一部分,变得更加强大和危险。检察官指出,尽管科姆斯拥有名誉、财富和权力,但他并不凌驾于法律之上。检察官将科姆斯的员工描述为“步兵”,他们会清理“狂欢”后的酒店房间,处理体液等脏乱。检察官的结案陈词对科尼利厄斯和科姆斯的安保团队发出了警告,因为政府已经公开指控了他们。计划中的复活巡演和庆祝活动可能是科姆斯自欺欺人的表现,他可能真的认为自己可以逍遥法外。 Joshua Ritter: 我认为在结案陈词前,应该做好失败的准备,并全力以赴地辩论。必须要有信心,否则就一无所有。阿格尼菲洛是更有经验的律师,科姆斯花了很多钱请他辩护,所以他应该负责结案陈词。阿格尼菲洛选择自己进行结案陈词,这并不令人惊讶,因为这是他大放异彩的时刻。 Lynn Shaw: 我认为科姆斯犯有某种形式的性交易、性劳工交易,包括强迫、欺诈和胁迫。大众和司法系统并不真正理解“皮条客罗密欧”的策略。我呼吁社会更好地教育公众,以干预和预防新的受害者,并追究科姆斯的责任。 Sidney Sumner: 我认为科姆斯的律师试图假装他不知道这些女性多次表示不愿意这样做,但卡西·文图拉实际上是被保镖拖回“狂欢”的,这难道不是胁迫吗?科姆斯的律师辩称,他们没有证明科姆斯有犯罪意图,并声称女性从未亲自或书面告诉科姆斯她们不想参加“狂欢”。简多次表达了她不想参加这些活动,她感到不安,因为科姆斯与其他女性交往,而她们不必像她一样才能与男友相处。科姆斯显然认为他是在用支付简的房租来换取她随时与男妓发生性关系。科姆斯一直在玩弄魅力,但他可能已经达到了他明星力量的极限。 Joseph Giacalone: 我认为科姆斯与在百老汇街角殴打妇女并迫使她们卖淫的皮条客没有什么不同。联邦政府通常不会轻易介入这些案件,他们通常有强有力的证据支持。我担心陪审团可能会为了在假期前完成审判而匆忙做出决定。 Bethany Marshall: 我认为阿格尼菲洛唱《她的名字是萝拉》是对女性应该被虐待的一种无意识的暗示。防御实际上是在用银盘端上强迫、欺诈和胁迫的概念。“皮条客罗密欧综合症”的三个阶段:皮条客假装爱受害者,然后培养和获得受害者的信任,最后受害者无法摆脱。即使受害者说了“不”,但如果对方不听,她们就会被洗脑,认为自己根本没有说过“不”。阿格尼菲洛唱《萝拉》这首歌让我联想到所有在萝莉塔快车上的人,他们明知会发生什么,仍然参与其中,认为这只是一个大型聚会,但实际上女性和男性正在遭受虐待。

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The closing arguments in Sean "Diddy" Combs' sex trafficking trial are underway. The prosecution presented a strong case, highlighting Diddy's alleged use of "violence and fear" to control his victims and operate a criminal enterprise. The defense is expected to present their arguments soon.
  • Diddy's trial focuses on accountability, not the acts themselves.
  • The prosecution detailed Diddy's alleged criminal enterprise and coercion tactics.
  • The jury's engagement during the prosecution's closing arguments suggests a strong impact.

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We are live at the courthouse Vegas odds even. Sean Combs will spend no time behind bars and Sean Combs will spend life behind bars. But guess what? I don't care what the bookies say. It's all down to 12 jurors. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. We are headed into a verdict watch. Out the blue, the defense

We rest our case. This isn't even a trial of did Diddy do it? It's just a trial of will he be held accountable? He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance. He is out there promoting it. And I predict, Nancy, it's going to work.

Let's go straight to the courthouse. Standing by is Tisa Tells, star of Tisa Tells on YouTube. Tisa, thank you for being with us. It's my understanding that early, early this morning, leading into closing statements, Sean Combs looked like he was, quote, walking on air.

What? The courtroom was shocked. This man came floating in on air, twinkle toes, just dancing in two. We have never seen this man in a better mood. Everything that's happened, the attempted charges that have been dropped from court,

the jury verdict, they have him in the best of spirits. This is a man that thinks he's going to walk away. This is a man that thinks his $20 million law team did their job. This is a man that thinks he has avoided justice. Tisa Tells, tell me what else happened in the courtroom today. What happened in court today literally shocked everyone.

The prosecution came in strong. They made a clear, concise case. Diddy, who seemed to be walking on air, walking in, you saw his body language,

slump. They made such an excellent case to actually map out and hold our hands like we were three-year-olds that needed help across the street. What the Combs enterprise was, how he commanded and controlled everything and everybody, and how they were nothing but an apparatus made to fulfill every sexual deviant desire he had. It really came together today in court.

At the beginning, they refer to Sean Combs, well, Slavic. Slavic refers to Sean Combs as the head of a criminal enterprise and someone who, quote, doesn't take no for an answer. Describe what she was telling the jury and how the jury responded. That's what Slavic said straight out of the gate. She said he doesn't take no for an answer.

take no for an answer. And he wants what he wants. When she said that, she went into a list of all the predicate crimes. She said kidnapping, arson, forced labor with sexual assault, bribery, sex trafficking, sex trafficking that was forced and manipulated these women. And when that happened, she went in like a battling ram and the jury was up.

The jury was taking attention. They had their notepads out. They were leaned in. They were so locked in. The prosecution woke the jury up and they couldn't get enough. Tisa tells Slavic did something I think was brilliant. She almost immediately said,

took the jury to two of the most violent attacks on women in order to force them to perform sexually. Of course one has to be Cassie Ventura's attack at the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the single strongest one because there's video evidence. You don't have to just take her word for it. You can see it on

on the closed circuit TV there at the Intercontinental. But she also took to the jury to the moment that Jane, not her real name, was brutally attacked and covered in welts all over her body, a beating by Sean Combs, after which he told her to get back in the ring and perform oral sex on a male escort despite her protests.

What did she say exactly? And how did the jury respond? What were they doing? She showed a screenshot of the moment we saw Cassie be brutally beat. And she said, I want to take you to two moments.

eight years apart, but with the same pattern done by the same man. The jury was leaned in. They described how Cassie was brutally beaten and stomped. She used the word stomped. And then they tied it in with Jane. Now, of course, they didn't let us see the pictures of Jane, but they put those beaten pictures of Jane on their screens and they showed us a screenshot of

of Jane's testimony where they had her saying, I was beaten, I was dragged, I was kicked. It was an incredibly powerful moment. Tisa tells, how is Sean Combs reacting to this? What does he say as the prosecutor is regurgitating all of these horrific facts about him and he's sitting right there? I honestly think that

The jury's reaction showed us the clearest of how well the prosecution was going. When she first started talking, he almost had a smug look on his face. There was still a faint smile. He was looking over in the prosecutor's direction.

the jury's direction, looking like he did not care. However, once they put a screenshot of Cassie's, that beating on, and she went through boom, boom, boom, rapid fire of everything he's being charged with, leaving no doubt, he all of a sudden just looked straight. He looked down. Then I believe he got nudged. He looked straight again. And after that, he rarely looked at

at the jury the whole time. But what do you do when somebody is literally outlining how you are the devil incarnate? You know, another thing that Christy Slavik did that I thought was also brilliant. I hate when lawyers simply vomit up the letter of the law and use Latin phrases that nobody knows what they're talking about unless you went to Harvard Law School for Pete's sake.

She really broke down what RICO means, a conspiracy. And I'm going to quote what she said. The concept is simple. When someone commits a crime as part of a group, the law calls it an enterprise. And that makes them, Sean Combs, more powerful and dangerous. You know, over and over, Tisa tells, we heard the same thread going through all of the victim's testimony.

When Cassie Ventura was being beaten, she looked up at all of Combs' minions and said, "Can't you see what's happening?" And they tacitly, non-verbally, condoned what Combs was doing. That's the enterprise, those people that enabled Combs.

Tell me how the jury responded. What did she say and how did they react? That was an incredibly powerful moment, okay? Slavic said he's already a rich and powerful man and the enterprise made him more powerful and more dangerous.

When they heard that, you saw a few jurors uncross their legs and lean forward. They were dialed in. Again, it's almost like the prosecution had taken their kid gloves off and they were leaving the jurors with no doubt. You don't need to connect the dots. We are going to draw the dots, connect them for you, and then walk you over to see where everything is. Again, a lot of shifting, a lot of rubbing the faces.

A lot of leaning in, taking furious notes, looking closely at what was being shown on their monitors. They had the jury with their closings. Another important chord that Slavic struck during her closing argument, which commenced early this morning, is that Sean Combs has been clothed.

in respectability, in celebrity, in billions of dollars and everything that can buy the private jet, the mansions all over the world, the designer clothes, the fancy restaurants, people at his beck and call. But she pointed out that for all the fame, wealth, power and privilege, he is not above the law.

And he's not. Remember that quote, Tisa tells, where one minion says to the other, pointing up to a picture of Combs, this is his kingdom and we're just living in it.

Explain to me how the jury responded to her argument. His enterprise and the way she said the word enterprise, it was dripping with disdain. Their only goal was promoting and protecting and fulfilling every sexual desire that he had. OK, they enabled him to commit crimes when she said that the jury furiously taking notes, they even looked over at him.

Sean Combs side, not directly at him, but at the side where all his loyal supporters and family were sitting and protecting him from law enforcement. When they said that a few jurors brows actually furor. It's almost like they were cutting through.

All of the BS from the last four weeks, cross-examinations, and cutting through to what the heart of this case was. And it became clear to everyone, I think even Sean Diddy Combs, that he is not going to beat this. Tisa tells what exactly did Slavic say about Sean Combs' wealth situation.

fame and privilege. What she talked about was in a faint swoop, she did an amazing job of explaining away the reason why some of these assistants that got immunity were sitting there saying, I think Sean Combs is a great man. He taught me so much because she called them minions.

foot soldiers, young, naive kids that were willing to do anything to be part of the organization. But she pointed out, Brendan Paul got paid $100,000 to do these illegal things for him. And Christine Cornelius,

KK, she got paid six times as much. I said, wow, KK got paid over half a million dollars. But also in that moment, they firmly put the onus on Diddy, KK, and his security staff. And they actually said that even though they said that

Even though the names may have changed, the core group stayed the same and they were the enterprise. And everybody else, no matter what they said, whether they knew willingly or not, were nothing but minions and foot soldiers that carried out all of his desires. Standing by outside the Monaghan federal courthouse, Tisa tells closing arguments for the state commenced this morning and the fallout has been spectacular.

Tisa tells, I found it very interesting, and this is important, that Slavik kept referring to Sean Combs' employees, as I say, his minions, because not all of them were his employees. Some were just starstruck and willing to do whatever he wanted. But she described them as foot soldiers. And, you know, you got to be a foot soldier to do what they did. Some of them going into hotel rooms after free coughs and cleaning up.

The bodily fluids, you know, that's a nice way of saying sperm, sweat, blood, urine, feces, dope, food, alcohol. I mean, it was rank. The hotels, as we have talked about many times,

would charge up to $47,000 to clean a room after a freak off. That would be a minion that would do that, right? And she talked about that in closing arguments, didn't she, Tisa? Now, that was a brilliant visual display. She referred to the security as lieutenants. She named them all, Fahim, D-Rock, Uncle Pauly, Rooves,

said that they were armed and ready, okay? They said, remember David James? Remember how he said he was taken at gunpoint down to confront Suge Knight with guns flying down the hill? It was an amazing, amazing image to just say that, no, this was a real criminal organization. But it didn't stop there. They then show the pictures of the guns and the magazines saying there were two AR-15s

with serial numbers filed off. There were rifles with serial numbers filed off. And then they said, listen, this was an enterprise and KK,

and the security gave the orders. And then they put up this visual of 11 of all his security people, 11 men standing there looking a little bit unseemly. She said, looking unseemly and saying, they called the shots. And then they went back to his workers. They said, maybe he didn't know. They were young. Maybe the workers didn't know, the flunkies, the minions. Maybe they were young and naive, but they followed orders and they were nothing but

foot soldiers that follow KK and security say. Again, they put everything in focus and a lot of people whispering and Diddy is convicted.

I don't know if I was KK and anybody that was part of his lieutenant security team, I would be very, very worried right now because the government has called you out. We are live at the Monaghan Federal Courthouse where it's all culminating today. Closing arguments in the Sean Combs sex trafficking trial. Now, a lot of people, including the bookies, are betting that.

against the state and that includes the community. It's my understanding that there is a resurrection victory tour, a world tour being planned for Sean Combs. What? Exactly. If you were dumb enough to bet against the house at any time, you get what you get. Listen, the Southern District of New York did not come to play. I've been in the courtroom. They've done amazing, but

But these idiots that want to buy a ticket to a resurrection reunion tour, save it. Save it so you can show your grandchildren how off you were and against history. Again, there's a resurrection tour. There's a homecoming barbecue. There's so much planned. But again, these might just be the delusions of a madman who really thought he got away with everything. Joining me, Joshua Ritter, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, star of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube.

Joshua Ritter, I never count my chickens before they hatch. I go into every closing argument as if I'm going to lose. And I argue like H-E-double-L. That's pretty bold to be going in to closing statements as if you're going to win.

Listen, you got to have confidence, right? If you don't have confidence, what else are you left with? I think you have to at least applaud that. There's, you know, whether or not the jury agrees with all of that is to be seen, I suppose. But you're certainly not going to limp into these closing arguments feeling like the case is already settled.

Okay, in addition to a so-called victory resurrection tour to Tisa Tells joining us outside the courthouse, everybody, those of you just joining us, closing arguments going down throughout the day today in the Sean Combs sex trafficking trial. I understand there's a big July the 4th party planned, and I'm not talking about behind the walls of MDC. Diddy's team, again, I don't know if they have smuggled that man some tucci into jail, but Diddy's team,

has been convinced that he is coming home. They have convinced him that he is coming home and that they have mounted such a strong case and poke holes in the prosecution's case so much that it's not going to be one, two, three, four, five days of deliberation that by July 4th, this man will be home to literally kiss babies and shake hands to his loyal followers that prayed for him and bought him home. Again, it defies

Fies logic that even if you sat through these summary charts and they were long, arduous days, that any jury could get through this mountain of evidence in time, whether they decide not guilty or guilty to have him home safely. But again, time will tell. But Diddy has proven

He, listen, there's a lot of probably dead pigeons in Central Park. A lot of alleged sacrifices going on. We will see. But right now, this is a man that swears he is coming home. Word is Sean Combs isn't the only one who believes he will walk free. Kanye West is apparently chomping at the bit to have Combs join him on a resurrection tour the second the trial is over. Combs and West have shared several jailhouse phone calls

And insiders say his short visit to court was to send a message of loyalty. The rapper's plan has some serious flaws, including the possibility Combs is convicted. Former Kanye fans are now signing petitions to prevent him from performing. And Sean Combs may never be welcomed back into the public's good graces. Let's talk about closing arguments as they are going down in the Monaghan federal courthouse throughout today. Tisa tells Who Now?

Agnophilio is in charge of closing arguments for the defense. He has respected the, oh, shucks, Your Honor, this is my first day in federal court. However, it might be effective. The male jurors around Mark's age seem to be very receptive to him. And even when he's made his arguments in court, they always respond very well. I think it was very strategic, lucrative.

Looking at the way the jury sees the reflection in Mark to a certain point, it's going to be interesting to see how much actually carries over. But for right now, Mark seems to be their secret weapon. Okay, to Josh Ritter joining us, criminal defense attorney. It's not like you can pass it off like in a football game. You can just throw it to your favorite player in the middle of a run. It doesn't work like that. One attorney is in charge of closing statements.

You can't pass it off like one argues for an hour and then the next argues for another hour. That's not how it works. Only one lawyer from the defense team can be chosen to give closing statements. Explain. No, you're absolutely right. And it's not a surprise that it's Ignifilo. He's the he's the more experienced. He's the more seasoned attorney. Listen,

Did he has paid a lot of money for this defense. He's not going to let the most crucial moment in it fall into the hands of less experienced attorneys. He's paid big money. He expects that big name. He expects the the partner, the headline, the person whose name appears at the top of the letterhead.

to be the person giving the closing arguments. And I think Agnifilo wouldn't have it any other way either. Here's the moment to shine. This is bringing it home. If you're the Diddy team, you feel like you're now just punching it through the one yard line. That's going to be Agnifilo. So you're absolutely right. One attorney, one chance. And I'm not surprised that it was him. You know, I'm very, very surprised that Agnifilo chose himself. He's the lead defense attorney. He's the one to make this decision.

chose himself after his very disturbing performance with our friend Harvey Levin regarding, what else, the baby oil. Listen. They call them freak-offs, but you know, back when I was a kid in the late 70s, they were called threesomes. If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a thousand bottles of baby oil? I don't know where the number a thousand came from. The U.S. Attorney said it. I

I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to do with anything. They're essentially saying it's a lubricant.

for an orgy. I guess I don't know what you need a thousand. One bottle of baby oil goes a long way. I don't know what you need a thousand for. I mean, he has a big house he buys in bulk. You know, I think they have Costco's in every place where he has a home. I mean, have you sat in a parking lot of a Costco and see what people walk out of there with? Not a thousand bottles of baby oil. I don't think it was a thousand. I think it was. I think it was. Let's just say it's a lot. OK, has he lost his mind?

That's from our friends over at TMZ. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Back to Tisa Tell standing out in front of the courthouse. Who ever knew that baby oil would be the centerpiece of both the defense and the state's case? But that's Agnifilo. He couldn't even hold up to softball questions from Harvey Levin on TMZ. So I'm very curious why he didn't have Tenney, Tenney Garagos or Brian Steele do closings. It was.

Such an interesting choice, but I got to be honest with you. I am salivating at seeing Mark Agnefilio do his baby oil defense.

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Everybody remembers that TMZ interview. He's sitting there across from Harvey. Harvey, I don't know why baby oil was there. His voice cracking, trying to act like it's the most normal thing in the world to have over $2,000 in baby oil, assuming it's $1.99 a bottle, in your home and act like these are the normal, perfectly, perfectly rational and perfectly legal actions.

of an innocent man. Again, it's an interesting choice. It's an odd choice, but as somebody that is waiting for Diddy to get justice, I welcome this. Bravo, Mark. Bravo. I hope he does another TMZ-level performance. Hey, I really don't know what's going on with you, but I just want to just give you a heads up that I'm about to really disappear on you. You feel me? I'm not going to be playing these games with you at all, at all. So I don't know. You think you're silent treating me, treating me,

And you think I'm gonna be, nah. You'll have a rude awakening. You'll just have silence. And ain't nobody threatening you. And I don't even try to go back and forth with no woman. You know what I'm saying? I'm telling you, I ain't got no time for no games. Where my life is at right now, I don't have no time for no games, baby girl. Me and you can be mad. I can have a spat. We can have whatever. Then after that, you better get on your job. That's really, that's all it is. Because you got me on my job. Nah, it ain't never gonna work like that over here.

You know what I'm saying? I was trying not to leave this message, but you have left me no choice. So either you go in the direction of like moving on and shit like that, or you like just like have me just keep moving. Ain't no threat, I'm just being clear. I can't do this with you every time you get upset. Get on your job. Get on your job and get in there, end the freak off and be videoed.

Having sex with multiple male sex workers, Sean Combs, you can kiss my hard working rear end. How dare he tell this woman, get on your job. You know, Lynn Shaw, it makes me so mad. I think I could chew a nail in half.

It brings tears to my eyes as well because I have represented women as have you that have been beaten and coerced into up to 20 tricks a day, 20, 30 different sex partners a day, or they would be beaten. Their money would be taken away. Their driver's license, their cell phone.

all sorts, all manners of coercion. I get the pimp Romeo tactic, but I don't know if the jury is going to get it. Explain it. Yeah, Nancy, that's the problem. The public as a whole don't really understand this pimp Romeo, as well as the justice system. I'm convinced they don't even really totally understand it. But here's the thing. It

It is, let me break it down very simply. A vulnerable young woman, girl, thinks she has a new boyfriend. He showers her with love and gifts, and it may be good for a day or two or even a month or two. And then it turns into, oh, you know, baby girl, you love me. You'll do this for me. I'm a little short on the rent. I need a car payment. I need a new Gucci belt. If you love me, you'll do it just this once. This is what we hear a lot. And they do it the once because they think they're in this love relationship, right? And again, I want to remind everybody,

mostly very vulnerable girls and women, okay?

Fast forward, then it becomes a little more hardcore and they're forced into full blown sex trafficking. This is sexual servitude. Everybody has to understand what the dirty ditty case and the public has to understand. And I'm praying that this jury, if they understand nothing about a pimp Romeo, they will keep thinking about that Cassie video of being knocked down, dragged barefoot, running to the elevator that will remain in their minds as well as get on your job.

That says to me, sex trafficking. So we have to do a better job as a society in educating the public to intervene and prevent any new victims and to hold this dirty ditty once and for all accountable.

to some form of sex trafficking, sex labor trafficking, again, forced fraud, coercion. I'm seeing it all over the place. He's guilty, in my opinion. Well, it's exactly as you just said. I want you to take a listen to what Jane, not her real name, said. Speaking of the pimp

Romeo tactic of coercion. Listen. Jane agreed to have sex with Don, believing she was fulfilling a fantasy for her boyfriend and it would not be regular, but compares her first yes to opening Pandora's box she could not close. Every meeting after involved sex with another man. Jane protested to hotel nights verbally and in writing, but each time Combs threatened to break up with her

and withdraw his financial support. And even though Sean Combs, correct me if I'm wrong, Sidney Sumner, joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter, also on the trial, Sean Combs.

lawyers tried to pretend he didn't know that these women repeatedly said, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this to the point where Cassie Ventura was actually dragged back physically to a freak off by a bodyguard. Is that not coercion? Have I lost my mind? But they tried to pretend that Combs didn't know the women were

were unwilling, Sydney Sumner. Exactly what they argued in court, trying to finalize the instructions that the jury would hear. They said that they have not proved that Combs had the men's Raya

for all of this to have been a crime. They said that the women never told Combs in person or in writing that they did not want to participate in these freak-offs. It's simply just not true, Nancy. Jane said this multiple times. We saw in her own text multiple times that she frequently expressed that she did not want to participate. She did not want to do these things. She was upset about it.

And Jane also had to testify to the fact that other women particularly bothered her because she knew that Combs was seeing other people, other women, and they were not having to do what she was having to do to have time with her boyfriend. They weren't being locked in a hotel room for a week at a time. Only she was. And she...

particularly felt that this was something she was constantly pushed to do against her will and they signed a contract, Nancy. That's just insanity to me. They signed a love contract. Holmes obviously thought that he was paying Jane's rent in exchange for her having sex with an escort anytime he wanted her to. I have seen nothing but puffs turn on the charm. That's why he had a career.

He was running things. He was charming. He was funny. He was witty. Huffy plays this game really well and he's been playing it for a very long time. I think this might be the limit of his star power. And he's playing it right now in front of a jury. Throughout the day, we have been listening to closing arguments by the state. The defense closed

closing arguments will commence tomorrow morning. Repeat, Friday morning, the defense closing arguments will begin. They project a four hour closing argument that will be followed by the judge's charges to the jury. What are charges? That is when the judge literally reads and the judge must read it. One slip of the tongue. I've had this happen to me. One slip of the tongue by the judge if they ad lib the

bad. That's reversible error. So the judge will literally be reading the law to the jury, the law by which they are to judge and decide this case. What does that mean? They will hear a charge about what is reasonable doubt. What is the burden of proof? What is a reasonable doubt? It is not a

proving the case to a mathematical certainty such as 2 and 2 equals 4. It is a reasonable doubt. And I don't mean a doubt like, hey, maybe little green men from Mars flew in and conducted the freak-offs. Could that happen? Yes. Did it happen? Probably no. It probably did not happen. So,

All of these legal theories must be explained to the jury. And yes, they zone out during that. Imagine sitting in a warm courtroom while the judge literally reads about 30 pages of the law.

It's really hard. Think about after you have lunch and you want to take a nap, but you can't. And then they're in the courtroom. Everything gets all warm and cozy. There's no distraction. The judge is droning on and on. Yeah, they're going to zone out. This is why I believe the jury charges are important. Sidney Sumner, I need you on this because the state got a very important charge during closing arguments.

Both lawyers, Agnifilo for the defense, Slavik for the state, will say, "You will hear the judge state the law on X." Yesterday, the state argued and got a charge that the Sex Act did not have to be completed for coercion into sex to be shown.

They are putting all their money back to Vegas odds, Sidney Sumner, on Cassie Ventura. And this is why, Sid, in that video, if the state can prove that in that one video, the Intercontinental Hotel beat down, in this one video, she was dragged back to a freak-off.

which we know she was because when security got there, there was another man there. He was a sex worker and her testimony is that this was a freak off, right? And he didn't take the stand to rebut it. She was dragged back to the room, but at that time, Sydney, she got her bags and left. So the state got the charge. The jury is going to be told Sydney that the sex act did not have to be completed.

So Sidney, what I'm trying to explain is that if the jury believes she was beaten and dragged back to a free call,

That shows coercion and coercion shows sex trafficking. So if this one instance is proven, the state has met its burden. Bam! Explain the jury charge, Sidney Sumner, that the state got yesterday. Well, Nancy, in addition to what you mentioned, they also got in that

Previous consent does not mean that a victim was not later trafficked. So I think both of those go hand in hand and are very important in showing that just because the actual sex act didn't happen and just because they may have said yes to this the first time doesn't mean that later on Combs did not

traffic them and I think they really have met their burden of proof Nancy we've seen all of these text messages all of these protests all of these gentle rebuttals so even before Kathy was dragged back into this hotel room because Combs didn't want her to leave this freak off she even mentioned hey I have my movie premiere Monday I don't really want to do this and Combs went forward with it and

anyway. Cole had an extreme level of control over Kathy's entire career, and he seemed to want to

roll her under the bus and push her down and make sure that she wasn't being successful without him so that he could continue to leverage this control over her. She discussed having hundreds of unreleased songs. She called it busy work. Kong just kept her happy enough that she thought that he would actually help her career. And that explains part of the reason that she was still with him 10 years later.

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Thank you, Joseph, for being with us. You know what's interesting? Sean Combs is planning his victory tour, as Kanye calls it, his resurrection tour. The family, Sean Combs' family, is preparing a post-trial to be released date documentary of how he has suffered throughout this. Sean Combs, how Sean Combs has suffered throughout this.

There is a block party planned. There is a July 4th party planned for when Combs gets released. The bookies in Vegas are betting against the state. But you know what? I ain't giving up, Jacqueline. I'm not giving up because I believe the state has proven its case against a very, very popular, a very, very wealthy celebrity and

It tastes like a dirt sandwich to think he could get away with all the beatings, all the threats, the car bombings, the bribing, the extortion. It's almost more than I can take because you know what, Joseph? He's no different than a pimp.

at the corner of Broadway that beats a woman to go turn tricks. He's no different, Jackalone. No, he's not, Nancy. And I was always taught, you know, you don't put the cart before the horse. And I think that's exactly what's happening here. I mean, listen, I think that the prosecution has a very strong defense. And listen, I wouldn't bet against the federal government. They just don't walk into these things and saying, you know, anything willy nilly. They usually have

a very strong case. They have the full backing of them. They have videos. They have testimony. They have eyewitnesses. They have so many different aspects going for them. They have circumstantial evidence, direct evidence, you name it, they have it. It's about the presentation. It's about what the jury is going to believe, of course, in the long run. My only concern is that they're butting up against the July 4th weekend where court's going to be closed. So,

So, you know, you don't if they get it Monday, you're looking at maybe Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I hope that they're not going to try to rush things to get it done before the holiday. That's always a concern. Sydney Summer, before I throw this to Dr. Bethany Marshall, could you please explain what we heard early, early this morning when the lead defense attorney, Mark Agnifilo, came in the courtroom and tested the mics?

He sang Copacabana. Apparently, he started out, her name was Lola, to try and test this mic. He shouldn't need it to give any of his statements today, but he may need to object. So, I don't know if that is

Is a sign that that means something, that they're feeling extremely confident going into closing arguments. But that seems a pretty relaxed way to test that mic. You know what, Dr. Bethany? Even people here on my studio actually laughed just then. I have a completely different reaction. I want to cry because it's all just a big joke. It's just a big joke. And you know what?

For all of you producers sitting here that actually laughed when you heard Agnifilo tested the mic by singing her name was Lola. It's just a big joke to them because they have never been a sex assault victim. And I'm glad, I'm glad they haven't. They've never had to deal with one witness I had in the middle of her direct testimony. She couldn't take it, Bethany. She put her head down.

on the desk in front of her at the witness stand by the mic and went into some kind of catatonic state. In my rape case. Okay, forget my case. Forget what I was trying to do. What about her? When she had to recount what happened. These people are never the same, Bethany. And you know what? Just wait a minute. The state is not allowed to do this, but I can do it because I'm not arguing to a jury. Forget about yourself. Think about your daughter.

Mm hmm. Having sex time after time after time in one night for hours. Sex marathons that go 24, 36 hours with multiple sex workers that were hired specifically because they are, quote, well endowed by Sean Combs with him standing by naked, masturbating and videoing this happening to your daughter,

to your daughter.

Oh, what a change because nobody's laughing in the studio now. It's not funny anymore, is it? You know that song, Her Name is Lola? My first association was Lolita, who was a 13-year-old who was sexually abused. All right. And then Jeffrey Epstein's playing is the Lolita Express. This, I think on Mark Agnifilo's part, is an unconscious reference to the fact that women deserve to be abused. That's the first reference.

thing I heard. I think it's disgusting. And I was thinking too, doesn't he have daughters, sisters, a mother? He wouldn't want them in that kind of a situation. I think the defense actually is serving up the idea of force, fraud, and coercion on a silver platter. And what I mean by this, the three stages of the pimp Romeo syndrome, the pimp pretends to be in love with the victim,

love bombs, all of that, then grooms and gets the victim's trust. And in the third stage, the victim cannot break away.

So they do go back and forth like, okay, I'll arrange, you know, I'll call the sex workers for you. They are terrified. And then they say no, thinking that Sean Diddy Combs is actually listening to them. And when you say no so many times and the other person doesn't listen, you start to become brainwashed that you didn't say no at all. That's what Cassie said in her testimony. It wasn't until she looked back at her texts.

that she realized she had been saying no for years she had dissociated from that and one more thing nancy this mark agnifilo singing the lola song reminds me of all the rich wealthy powerful men who went on the lolita express knowing exactly what they were going to do getting that island persist participating and thinking it was all one big party it's it's

It's not a party. Women and men are being abused. It's a tragedy. As we head to a verdict watch in the Sean Combs sex trafficking trial, we stop to remember an American hero, Trooper Mart Hudson, Maryland State PD, just 25, killed in the line of duty, served only one year, leaves behind a grieving fiance, a mother, and stepfather.

American hero, Trooper Mart Hudson. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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