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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Diddy, loving it. Disorder in the court. Why a jury feud? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Agnifilo used one old tired phrase after the next. She wanted it. She got paid. It was just homemade porn.

Really? As if that's a defense? The jury and the galley was looking like, sir, what are you talking about? That was a very cringe moment. Oh, okay. That was way cringey. Straight out to Tisa Tells standing by at the courthouse. Tisa Tells, star of Tisa Tells on YouTube. Tisa, what happened? Today in court...

Diddy's team got humiliated by Judge Aron. He has had enough. Mark Agnefilio stood up and did his best. Yana, we really honestly think. And Judge Aron cut him off and said, I don't care what you think. As you know, the jury's been passing notes back and forth. Now, a lot of people say that the jury is signaling that they are pointing to the heart of the case. The part the prosecution wanted to hide.

wanted them to pay attention to. But that's not important. What's important is yesterday the judge gave instructions. Listen, the jury asked a specific instruction.

If I give, if you give drugs to a friend, if a friend asks for drugs and you give drugs to a friend, is that the same as distribution? Short answer, of course it is. However, the judge gave both sides a specific charge. He told them, listen, I'm going to have to answer this question. Tell me what you think this should say. Mark Agneville had almost 24 hours and came back into the courtroom.

And said, listen, we think we shouldn't say anything. We think that you should just give them the whole statute. He, Judge Aaron, literally cut him off and said, I don't care what you think. It was a tense back and forth. Can you follow my directions? Well, I think, can you follow my directions? Yes or no? Well, Yana, we kind of think, I don't care what you think.

Are you, can you follow them? Are you unwilling to? Yes or no, Mr. Agnefilio. Mr. Agnefilio finally said,

I mean, yes, I can follow whatever you want to say. He tried to move on, but we really think he cut him off again. I don't care what you think. He said, I'm not leaving these jurors at sea. The prosecution stood up and said, he's trying to mislead the jury. And Judge Aaron then repeated it. What you want and what you want me to say and what you want to propose is akin to misleading the jury. And we are not going to do this. Diddy's team seemed cross.

crushed. They were furored. They were doing all this stuff. Judge Aaron would not let them even get air to breathe. He has had enough. And when you think about it, it is ridiculous what they were actually expecting them to do just to give them no guidance for the sake of what? So Dillard, Tootsie Roll can walk free. And just so you know, it was bad. Afterwards, Janice Combs, literally because we went to break after that.

Janice Combs literally stopped Westmoreland and Brian Steele in the right when they were walking out of court to have a talk with them. She was still seated. You couldn't see her face, but her body language was very urgent. And Westmoreland and Brian Steele spent about seven to eight minutes trying to soothe Janice Combs. And then after that, an hour or two later, Diddy's sons

And even his baby's mom, Dana Tran, started trickling in. So again, whatever's going on, it looks like the delusion land that Diddy and his family has been living in, it cannot hold up against what's going on with these juror notes being passed back and forth.

On top of the other bombshells dropping, it looks like Diddy's team has been getting more losses during deliberation than wins they got during the trial. Shapiro looked furious. It's expected she's going to be the appellate lawyer, okay? However, they have been saying back and forth, we want to preserve our objection, preserve our objection. Now, what is that? I'll leave that to the lawyers to decide. But one thing is certain is Judge Aaron is sending the message

He does not care. Every time now they try to preserve, he literally gives them a slow blink for three seconds and says, yeah, okay, let's move on. Another interesting thing that happened in court was the Cassie factor. Again, Marin Comey did such a good job on his closing, maybe even too good, because Diddy's team suffered a second downplay.

bombshell in court when two notes were actually taken were rushed out from the jury room those notes had to do with Cassie they wanted to hear Cassie's testimony again they wanted to hear what happened

in cans cans is one of the things maureen comey pointed to for the sex trafficking and last but not least they wanted to hear what happened with daniel phillip who's daniel phillip well if you believe marine comey in her closing she is he is the only ex uh

Escort that on the docket, she actually showed this testimony, admitted that he had sex with Diddy and Cassie for money. When those notes came out, Diddy was sitting there. When I say it looked like he wanted to just...

He didn't know whether to stand up, sit down, whether to be happy or just sad. At first, he thought it was going to be hopeful, but it's like when they read it, he realized, wait, that's not, this isn't helping at all. He looked to his team. His team looked gravely concerned. They activated, they were on their laptops, on their mobiles, flipping through everything they can. They asked for more information. They tried to

argue their point in front of the judge as much as they can, but it looks like despite Mark Agnefilio's

Ugh, highly misogynistic, badly timed comedy show of a closing. It looks like the prosecution pointed to where the bodies were buried and the jury has their shovels out ready to dig. This is bad for Diddy and he is looking stressed. And as the family keeps coming in during the day and we expect probably they'll be here tomorrow if did.

The jury doesn't come back with a verdict tomorrow. It looks like something is going to come down soon. Straight out to Sydney Sumner, Crime Stories investigative reporter. So far and counting at least five jury questions.

Should we start at the beginning or should we take them in reverse chronological order? Look, this is what I know. I know when your jury isn't getting along, when they've only been back there for about an hour and a half, you got a problem.

I mean a problem. I'm talking mistrial, hung jury, split verdict, that kind of problem. Let's go in reverse chronological, Sidney. What was one of the most recent questions from the jury that came in early this morning, about 1027? They hadn't been back there 45 minutes. Tell me what happened. Well, Nancy, apparently they requested transcripts from two of the witnesses' testimony. We don't know what charges they're...

considering when they're asking for these transcripts or who they are asking to review. But that's what's coming out of the courtroom right now. Okay, Eric Faddis joining me, veteran trial lawyer joining us out of the Denver jurisdiction, founding partner, Varner Faddis, elite legal, for my purposes, former felony prosecutor. Faddis, you can absolutely tell which direction the jury is headed in by jury questions.

The first question came out about, actually it was more of a complaint. The jury saying that one of the jurors could not follow the judge's instructions. Look, it's not like the judge went home and over dinner just came up with some instructions. This is the law, the black and white letter of the law the jury must use

to decide the case. For instance, the definition of sex trafficking, the definition of drugs with intent to distribute, the definition of kidnapping. They are the legal definitions. What does that mean? He can't follow the law? What the, hey, and whoa, whoa, pause, Faddis. Hey, Sidney Sumner, this juror that can't follow the law, doesn't he have like a bunch of graduate degrees? Yes, he is a Ph.D.,

in molecular biology. Now, it's unclear exactly what he does for work. He said that he was a scientist, but he also at one point said he was a veterinarian. But yes, this is a very intelligent person, at least in book smarts, very academic. Okay, Eric Faddis, every defense attorney's dream come true. You've got a guy. Let me just go ahead and put it out there.

a nerd. Look, I'm really proud. I got a lot of brainiacs in my family. I'm not claiming to be one, but a lot of brainiacs, okay, including my two children. So I'm all about the brainiacs, but when you have somebody that's all book learning, no street smarts at all, he's like, freak off. What? I didn't study that in molecular biology class when I was getting my PhD.

All his education aside, and I'm already telling the children they've got to get a Ph.D. someday. I'm all for it. But, Eric, when you have a juror within two hours say, I can't follow. I'm not going to do that. What? Yeah, a curious development here. And, you know, in trying to decipher what this could mean, one thing it for sure means is that there's going to be some. Okay, no offense, but just stop right there. Yeah.

You know, you and the devil danced around the fire pit last night when you heard this. Don't just say, oh, that's curious. B.S. You're thrilled because that means a problem in the jury, a jury feud. And you know it.

Get real, man. Well, the defense is thrilled. Diddy's defense. Yes, certainly. Because what it shows is there's some dissension in the ranks. These folks are not agreeing. And this is from the outset. This is at the very beginning. Look, as you know, Nancy, during jury selection and once these jurors were selected, they took an oath that said they will follow.

the law. That is really their central role here. Now we're learning hours into the deliberation that there's a problem with that. This prosecution needs to get 12 jurors to agree to be unanimous on conviction. And this trouble so early on is certainly concerning for the prosecution. What could it be? Could it be that this juror is considering evidence outside the trial, considering his personal feelings, sympathy,

bias, prejudice, those kinds of things, considering stuff he heard in the media. That itself could be grounds for a mistrial, could be grounds for error, could be grounds for reversing any conviction that is had. Okay, Faddis, did I ever tell you that I somehow, I don't know how I did it, got a juror, a lady, I can't remember what she looked like, a lady juror in a murder case,

that decided she could not pass judgment on other people. She decided this midstream. I forgot she had some religion where you're not supposed to pass judgment on other people. Okay? And I don't mean,

just what Christ said, don't judge other people. You know, you don't have a leg to stand on. Let he without sin throw the first stone, that whole thing. It was a tenet in her religion. You cannot pass judgment. Okay, you know what? Why are you telling me in the middle of the trial? Why am I learning this?

And then I didn't make it any better because of my closing statement. I accidentally spit on her. Okay, I was at the jury rail. I was arguing passionately. Okay, that didn't help anything. Finally, the juror had to be brought out and reminded of what you just said, that she took an oath.

Well, right there, that was a problem too, because the court reporter pointed out to me that she refused to raise her hand and take the jury oath, which I did not see. Okay.

That should have been a tip-off right there. I should have said, Lady Gerard, you're not taking the oath. You're off. And take an alternate right then. But I didn't see it. That said, somehow, a man should get a guilty verdict on that. But you have to be really careful. And you're right, Fattis. They take an oath to follow the law. They've already promised to follow the law. Now...

This guy, the molecular biologist, Ph.D., says he can't follow the law. He needs to be thrown off right now. You know, these folks are just people from the community, right? They're not professional jurors for most of them. This is their first rodeo. And talk about a tumultuous one. My heavens. So to be back there and maybe having some kind of buyer's remorse in terms of getting on this jury, second guessing, hey, am I really the right person for this?

And now we are in the thick of it. This is a last lap.

Her organization committed to ending sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls. Lynn Shaw, brace yourself. I'm going to tell you what happened in court early this morning. Sean Combs came out. He was allowed to speak to his mother.

Many defendants, violent felony defendants, are not allowed to get close to other people, right? Because they could be slipped, I don't know, a nail file and anything that they could use to escape. They could be handed a joint. They could be handed a pill. I don't know what they could be handed. Any number of things could be slipped to them. Or they could have an outburst and attack somebody. But Sean Combs is getting preferential treatment. But I want to tell you that he thought...

to tell his mother he loves her outfit. She wore in court today a green and cream zebra print outfit. Look, I'm not Anna Wintour. I don't care what anybody's wearing. But what concerns me is after some of these notes were coming out, he says to his mother, relax, it's going to be all right. What? What?

Or have they already told him the jury is having a feud and you're going to have a hung jury? That's my fear. What message will that send? Yeah, I am not feeling good about this at all, Nancy, that he is allowed to act like that because I've been in court and our women and girls that I've been with, they're not allowed to talk to anybody, touch anybody, have any kind of contact like that. So right then and there and telling his mother and she's in court today also relax. Listen, I took an oath.

to stand with survivors and power victims no matter what. This whole trial goes to what I've been saying all along now for going on eight weeks. The public, they don't understand. I bet anything they do not understand these charges of prostitution across state lines, because you know what? Society has failed in 2025 to describe all of this, to make the public understand. So you know what? I take the oath and I'm going to go to my death.

standing up, educating the entire world about what sex trafficking really is, what trauma bonding trauma really is, because everybody better start waking up and understand because the message to society is going to be very bad if this guy walks out and ends up on 135th Street having the barbecue that they have planned for him on the

on the 4th of July. To Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us, renowned psychoanalyst joining us out of the LA jurisdiction. She's the author of Deal Breaker. You can see her on Peacock and you can find her online at drbethanymarshall.com. Bethany, here's the deal. Everything that Lynn Shaw just said, agree. However, this is not a caveat to what she said. I am transposing what she said onto these proceedings.

Many people will argue, well, the state didn't explain it well enough or the state made it too complicated. Think back to top mom Casey Anthony, if you dare.

Many people argue the state made it too complicated. You know what? The science behind the air in the trunk of Totman's car where her daughter decomposed, the air had particles of decomp in it. Like, let's just say you walk into a Kentucky Fried Chicken and you smell chicken. Why? Because minute particles, naked particles,

to the invisible to the naked eye are in the air and that's what you're smelling. Okay, like you smell decomp of a decomposing body, which was little Kelly in the trunk of that car. Yes, it's complicated if you go into the scientific minutia of it, but

The way the state argued this, when you look at that video, I mean, it's really not that hard to understand. It sounds like to me, somebody went in there with a preconceived notion, with an axe to grind,

and they're being a contrarian. Or, Nancy, my worst fear is that there's a type of group think in this group. In other words, that they may be looking past the science, may be looking past the prosecution, just like the jurors in the Casey Anthony case, so that they are not really paying attention

to this video or they've become inert to it they've seen it so many times it really doesn't even hold any weight for them anymore and usually groups do fall into a type of group think where they become cohesive they all want to think the same things and my worst fear is that the scientist

is what we call out person. He is the only person standing up again. This is just a fear, not an active theory, but he's the one saying, hey, let's look at the hard science. Let's look at what the prosecutor said and that the other group think jurors have just seen it so many times.

They're over it. They don't care anymore. And like like Lynn Shaw said, people don't really understand sex trafficking. I mean, Agnifilo's statement that, you know, if a guy wants anal sex, the girl might just give it to him just to please her boyfriend. Really, I think, you know, unfortunately may have fed into this hysterical notion that

women were just in it for the money. I just hope that's not what's happening in this jury room, in the deliberations.

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Welcome back. We are live at the Monaghan Federal Courthouse and there is trouble. I can smell it a mile away and Diddy is loving it. Apparently a jury feud is threatening a verdict.

Straight out to Lauren Conlon standing by. Lauren, what happened? It is day two of jury deliberations, and it seems like the jury is going down the verdict sheet in order. We first heard a question from them on day one as it pertains to the drug distribution predicate act.

under racketeering. The judge addressed how he would like to handle this and he came in on day two and said that he would like to address this by specifically answering their question, referring them back to a portion of the original jury charges. The defense didn't

want to do this. They wanted to address this question with addressing the charge as a whole, but the judge thought that that would be misleading. So that happened on day two, right at the beginning of the day. And then about an hour later, around 10:15 a.m., the jury came back with a second note as it pertains to Cassie Ventura's testimony. They wanted elements of her testimony pertaining to

events regarding the Intercontinental Hotel, events following the Cannes Film Festival, and this

Incident was basically Cassie had testified that she was kicked off Diddy's boat because he accused her of stealing drugs. And she was wearing a beaded dress at the film festival at a movie premiere. And he allegedly dug his hands into her dress and into her arm. And then they flew back to New York and she was made to participate in a freak off.

They wanted these events or the testimony of these events. And then they wanted interactions between Cassie and Daniel Phillip, all of those. And then an incident involving Cassie Ventura at the Essex Hotel.

Now, there seemed to be a lot of back and forth and disagreement on what the court should include when sending back the Intercontinental Hotel incident to the jury. So the defense actually wanted the portion of the testimony that talked about Cassie getting a $10 million settlement from the Intercontinental Hotel included, but they later withdrew this as the

the judge and the back and forth kind of got a little bit more intense, a little bit more complicated. I think they sort of saw this as an overreach and they said, okay, we withdraw. Because at one point when the defense and the government couldn't seem to agree on what to send back to the jury, the judge said, well, why don't we just send back Ms.

Ms. Ventura's entire testimony. And the defense was like, no, no, no, no, no, please. This is over 800 pages. The jury asked for specifics. We don't want to overwhelm them. You know, so they kind of, yeah, they withdrew that. And then essentially what was decided on was that they could include about two days prior testimony, two days prior to the Intercontinental Hotel incident, kind of talking about setting this up and

And the defense wanted this in because Cassie allegedly texted, I want to FO so bad. And they wanted to speak to, uh, possible coercion there. So they wanted that included. And then the government wanted, uh, text messages included about one to two days after to speak to Cassie's mindset, et cetera. So both of those were let in as well as the defense wanted Cassie's testimony or, uh,

Cassie's Instagram post let in, which talked about Cassie saying domestic violence is the issue and the judge allowed it. So the court decided

did instruct the parties to get all of these transcripts to the jury by 1:00 PM and they did so and the jury will continue deliberating. If I had to take a wild guess at this rate, it seems like the jury is asking good questions. They are going in order and they are making progress. I would say by the third day of deliberations, by the end of the third day, we'll have a verdict.

Joining me now, special guest Rob Shooter, host of Naughty But Nice podcast. And you can find him at Rob Shooter dot Substack dot com and former publicist for Sean Combs. When I say Diddy's loving it, don't you know? He just told his mom in court that.

Don't worry. It's going to be okay. It's all going to be all right. What does he know that I don't know? Diddy is loving this. You're absolutely right, Nancy, about that. He's loving all the attention. He's loving that everybody is talking about him. And I've been saying this now for a couple of weeks. The mood within the camp, within Team Diddy, is that this has worked.

His strategy, which was his strategy, not his lawyers. It has worked. If he pulls this off, he will feel invincible. And at the moment, he's feeling pretty damn good, Nancy. What do you make of his casual air in the courtroom speaking with his mother? It's not like he has put his family first in life. We know that. So what does this mean? I'm trying to

decipher what I'm seeing, what I know to be happening. What does it mean? He's all chill and namaste saying, hey, hey, hey, hey, it's going to be all right.

You'll see. What the hey, does he know that we don't know? Does he know that one of the jurors is on his side? Have they made some kind of eye contact or some other kind of contact I don't know about? You stated that Diddy orchestrates everything. So if this happens,

If he pulls this off, it will be his own orchestration. Absolutely. If he pulls this off, he will feel like he is the king of the world. And at the moment, Nancy, we've got to be honest, your viewers are not going to want to hear this, but things are not going as smoothly as they should.

as the prosecution thought they would. He all along knew the power of celebrity. He sat there, he listened, he showed them he could be diddy when he wanted to show off. He pretended to be humble when he felt like he needed to be humble. He feels as if the

the plan is really working. Now, let me do point out there, as somebody who knows Didi, he's always been very confident. Some people would say overconfident. I've been at TV shows, I've been at press events with Didi, where everybody is pulling their hair out, worried about the type of questions or exposure or coverage he's gonna get.

He's always chilled. I was backstage with him at his big first fashion show, Sean John, which was millions and millions of dollars riding on this product, riding on this show. Everybody, the investors, the publicists, the marketing team, the stylists, we were all running around pulling out our hair. And he was really chilled. He sat there and he got chilled. He told me once, the more noise, the louder it gets, the quieter he gets.

And so I think that's what he's doing now. He's keeping it inside. He's thinking this through. He's calming down his family, his friends, which is a role that he likes to do. He likes to be the boss. And so at the moment, Nancy, he's feeling pretty good. And as somebody who knows him, Nancy, his instincts, unfortunately, are often right.

- I still think Diddy is running the whole show. - He certainly likes to win and have things his own way. I know he's looking at that jury like an audience. He's been on stage and he knows what it's like to lose an audience. Now he's sitting in this courtroom and he can tell, he's a professional at this, Nancy. He can tell that this just is not.

Diddy loving it. Disorder in the court. There apparently is a juror feud, which very often leads to a mistrial, a hung jury. Let it not be so in this case.

Sex attack victims all over the world watching this trial. Joining me now is Dr. Duane Hendricks, former associate warden MDC in Brooklyn, former senior warden with the U.S. Department of Justice, the author of Who Are You? See It, Say It, Seize It, and president of A New Daylight Foundation. Dr. Duane Hendricks. Dr. Hendricks, thank you for being with us. Question, if he is convicted...

Why doesn't Combs just stay where he is and serve his sentence there? So, yes, there is a possibility that an inmate could serve their sentence at a metropolitan detention center or a federal detention center across the country. But that would be based on the crimes that they're convicted of and the amount of time that they're given. So inmates can serve.

a sentence less than 10 years or less at a minimum security prison or in a metropolitan or a federal detention center as what we call kind of like camp status or trustee status.

However, based on the type of crime that Mr. Combs is being tried for, and if he's convicted of these sex offenses, more than likely he will serve his time, depending on which charges that he is convicted of, either at a high security, a medium security, or a low security facility.

Based on his, these being sex crimes, more than likely he'll be recommended for a sex offending management program. And there are three specific facilities across the country that house inmates for this particular program. The high security institution is USP, United States Penitentiary in Tucson, Arizona.

The medium facility is the Federal Correctional Institution in Mariana, Florida. And the Low Security Sex Offender Management Program is held at Federal Correctional Institution in Englewood, Colorado. Manage his sex offender problem. Manage it. Dr. Bethany Marshall, I need a shrink and a drink. But since I don't drink, I'll have to settle for you. Manage his sex offender.

problem. What is he saying? Nancy, he may continue offending in jail. You may not want to put him out in general population or around other people. He offended allegedly with minors, women, men, anyone he could get his hands on, Nancy. I mean, this guy was a prolific offender. You think he's going to stop just because he's behind bars? Wasn't there some rumor that he was trying to

engage with female inmates through the vents or the grates you know he has set such a power structure in his life as rob shooter was beautifully describing he's going to create the same power structure with his fellow inmates so that's what's going to have to be monitored bethany can i just stop you right there all the gibberish that you and hendrix are spouting right now no offense

manage his sex predatory problem, that day is over. It's time for him to go to jail, right? Okay. He has had decades to manage his problem, but he didn't manage his problem. In other words, stop what he was doing. He was having a freak off

Up to the night he was arrested. Isn't that true, Sidney Sumner? Even knowing these charges were pending. What does Sean Combs do? He goes to New York as the charges are pending. And he knows this. And he prepares this beautiful hotel suite for another freak off.

He's not managing anything. Cohn's hotel room in New York on the day of his arrest led investigators to believe that he was staying there with a woman and a lot of the material seen in that hotel room were the same things that he requested for freak-offs in the past with both Jane and Kathy Ventura. There was mood lighting, there was drugs, there was baby oil and Astro Glide. It looks like he was primed to host another freak-off in the days following.

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I mean really, if a pending federal indictment for sex trafficking won't help you manage your problem, in other words, stop it, what will?

No offense, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, but I got to call foul on everything that you just said about managing a problem. He is the problem. But here's another question. Dr. Hendricks, if he is convicted, if he is convicted, how long would it take for comes to be shipped to his new forever home? Typically, once an inmate is sentenced, the U.S. Marshals will send over their

packet with their the judgment and commitment order along with the pre-sentence report to the designation and sentence computation center in Grand Prairie, Texas. And typically they take about 30 to 45 days to create a designation for that for a particular inmate. But since Mr. Combs is a high profile inmate, I'm sure he will be on the

priority list to get him out of M. D. C. As soon as possible. So he'll probably be designated probably within 30 days of his sentencing if convicted and more than likely he'll be moved on once designated. I'm sure the staff at M. D. C. It will probably be calling again the designation and Convitation Center to reach out to their transportation folks to get him on an airlift

to his designated facility as soon as practical. Dr. Hendricks, speaking of transport, how would COMES be transported? So inmates are transported to a site for an airlift. More than likely, since he's at MDC Brooklyn, the marshals will pick him up.

They'll take him to an underclosed site for the flight and he'll fly on a Marshall's plane. We call them airlifts. And more than likely, he'll be transferred depending on where he's headed. But more than likely, he'll probably spend a few days at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and then move to his designated facility from there or another facility.

federal transfer or not federal transfer, but federal detention center or metropolitan detention center en route to the facility that he's designated to. So he would be on a plane, handcuffed, marked, chained, black boxed,

along with several other inmates. And unlike the private flights that he's been used to taking with first class service, this will not be that. So that will be how he'd be transported to his new facility. We are on a verdict watch here at Crime Stories as apparently a feud has developed between

behind closed doors in the jury deliberation room. Straight out to Sydney Summer joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter on the case from the get-go. Sydney Summer, what have been the questions? Now we know the first one after about an hour plus of deliberations was, hey,

One juror refuses to follow the facts in law. What happened after that? Well, there was another note and that had a legal question. Jurors were questioning what exactly is drug distribution, asking if somebody asks for drugs and somebody else delivers drugs to the requester, is that drug distribution? Now,

prosecutors wanted to write back yes but the judge ultimately just read back a portion of the original jury instructions to the jury this morning before they were sent back to the deliberation room and the next question that we heard today was wanting to review witness transcript again so they asked specifically for kathy's testimony

for three different things. So the Intercontinental Hotel incident,

The incident at the Cannes Film Festival where Sean Combs kicked her off of the yacht without her passport, without shoes for hours. And third, in relation to any freak-offs with Daniel Phillips. And they said, if any, if there's any testimony regarding Daniel Phillips from Cassie Ventura, we want to hear that. And then they also asked for Daniel Phillips' testimony in regard to the incident where there was a freak-off

Combs yelled at Cassie because she didn't come to him quick enough, took her in another room and Phillip could hear Combs slapping Cassie behind a closed door before they came back out and Combs instructed them to resume the freak off. So these are the things that they're asking for. And it really seems that they are arguing over this sex trafficking charge coming to Cassie. Well,

Well, another issue to Robert Crispin, former DEA president,

Crispin, if they want to know if you hand drugs to someone that asked for it, is that distribution? I mean, the law is clear that that is distribution. Of course it is. It's possession of drugs for the guy who takes it as well. And if we back it up and go further where the guy who gave it to Diddy, we get the guy who gave that to his dealer, then we get that guy for distribution. Want to keep going down the pike?

back to the mother load, we'll take everyone for conspiracy. So yes, looks like they're looking at the drug charges, which I kind of like. I do like that part. Eric Faddis, a veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado, founding partner of Warner Faddis Elite Legal. Eric.

If he goes down on a single charge, yes, it's a split verdict. It's a victory of sorts for the defense. But on any charge, he's going to do at least 10. That's questionable. I'm not sure about that. So certainly the RICO charge carries up to his whole life. That's incredibly serious. Sex trafficking, same thing, up to his entire life in prison. However, the most proven...

charge here is probably the least serious. That's the interstate prostitution charge. Now, it does carry up to 10 years, but the judge has discretion here, Nancy, and the judge can look at different guidelines and factors and decide whether the max is appropriate or whether time served is appropriate. There's no mandatory minimum here for that charge. Fatus.

We all know about departures, upward and downward departures in the federal sentencing. There are mandatory sentences, but the judge can look at the facts and say, hey, you know, fill in the blank. I think you should have more time or I think you should have less time. So take off your defense hat. Let's just get real for one minute. Just try.

You really think this judge that has heard all this evidence would give a downward departure at the federal sentencing guidelines? Really? Because I don't see it.

If Sean Combs walks on other charges, but let's just pick a charge. Let's go with drugs. Let's just pick that. Although I think clearly they proved that he brought in sex workers across state lines for illegal purposes, that being prostitution. It's really clear. Okay, let's go with that one. You're right. That's the best one proved so far. You really think that after all this judge has heard, he would give a lighter sentence? No.

Because I don't agree with that. You know, the judge is going to look at a number of factors, including a lack of criminal history. Oh, good grief, just answer. So I think it's possible based on how polarizing this case has been, different interpretations. Is it probable that the judge is going to go, yeah, you know...

I don't believe any of all those weeks of testimony, so I'm gonna give him a lighter sentence. You really, really think in what universe is that gonna happen? The judge might say, hey, the jury didn't believe the testimony. They're the ultimate fact finder here and I'm gonna defer to their decision on this. And on top of that, Diddy has been through the ringer and if he is found not guilty on those more serious counts, the judge might say, hey, this person has been enough for him. Did you hear that, Lynshaw? Lynshaw, did you hear that?

Fatah says Diddy has been through the ringer. I mean, really? I mean, really? How dare you say that when we have thousands and thousands of these alleged victims, survivors of Diddy? Who's talking about them being put through the ringer? Nobody understands. This is a life sentence now for them with trauma. This is what nobody is really understanding. I'm tired of all the focus. I don't care he's sitting there. If this guy, if I had my way, I'd put him out in the desert. He'd have to wear that white towel for the rest of his life and he'd be the

only one in his own Diddy prison, because you know who's in prison right now? All of these victims. And I want to remind everybody, there were men also. We didn't hear about it. I always heard, I don't have proof, but I always heard there were male victims of Diddy's as well. I also heard about minors. That's what I heard. Again, I don't have proof. We didn't hear about any of this. So put through the ringer. Please wash your mouth out with soap.

before we do it for you. Don't refer to him as anything except Triple D, Dirty Diddy Degenerate, because he's a horrible monster that deserves to be locked up. Wash his mouth out with soap and then boil his lips. As we wait for a verdict in the Sean Combs sex trafficking trial, we stop to remember an American hero, Detective Gregory Ferentzi of the Terre Haute PD.

53, shot in the line of duty and killed. Survived by two children, Nicholas and Peyton, American hero, Detective Gregory Ferenczi. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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