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@Joyce : Alana的失踪非同寻常,她不可能主动离家这么久。她定期与家人联系,失踪后联系中断,这让她非常担心。她认为Alana一定遭遇了不测,并相信有人故意误导调查。她还提到Alana曾遭遇严重车祸,导致长期疼痛,这可能是她成瘾的诱因。车祸后,由于医生停止医保,Alana无法获得足够的医疗护理,导致她开始自行服药,最终沉迷于毒品。Alana原本很有天赋,但毒瘾毁了她。她还提到Alana失踪后,曾有人打电话询问Alana的情况,但这个人是Alana的毒品供应商,并且还对Alana进行性侵犯。Alana失踪后,她曾多次丢失或被偷手机,这使得家人无法联系到她。 @Rachel : Rachel积极参与寻找Alana,并注意到当地近期有多名年轻女性失踪。她积极在网上发布信息,并获得了一些线索,包括有人在Reddit上爆料称在当地一个“Proud Boys”据点见过Alana,以及谣传Alana被埋在一个火坑下。她还提到媒体对Alana失踪案的报道较少,可能与她的生活方式有关。 @Melissa : Melissa提到许多线索都指向Battle Ground地区的一个据点,以及许多人将Alana的失踪与Scott Norgaard及其位于Battle Ground的房产联系起来。她还详细介绍了Scott Norgaard及其家人的犯罪前科,以及警方对该房产的搜查结果。 @Lee : Lee和Alana是在网上认识的,他们的恋爱关系持续了两年,期间分分合合。Lee并不知道Alana吸毒严重,也没有收到任何相关机构的通知。Alana吸毒后变得更具侵略性,Lee和Alana沟通不畅。Lee还提到Alana从小遭受性侵犯,这可能是她吸毒和反复遭受男性侵害的原因。Lee仍然希望Alana还活着,并被某人囚禁。 @Detective Arvizo : Detective Arvizo详细介绍了警方的调查过程,包括对Scott Norgaard房产的搜查,以及对各种线索的调查。他提到Alana失踪的时间线并不清晰,因为她经常与家人失去联系。他确认Alana在8月中旬获释后去了Norgaard的房产,并表示警方正在调查多名嫌疑人,包括Luke Grant。 @Marissa : Marissa作为播客主持人,梳理了整个事件的时间线,并采访了多位相关人士,提供了案件的背景信息和各种线索。

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Key Insights

Why did Alana's family become concerned when she stopped communicating?

Alana was known to check in with her family frequently, so her silence for several days was unusual and alarming.

What does the detective believe about Alana's current status?

The detective believes Alana is dead based on the information gathered during the investigation.

When was Alana Carroll last seen by her family?

Alana was last seen by her family on August 15, 2023.

Why did Alana's grandmother report her missing?

Her grandmother, Joyce, reported her missing because Alana usually checked in regularly, and her silence over several days was unusual.

What rumors circulated about Alana's disappearance?

Rumors included stories of her being buried under a fire pit, being seen at a Proud Boys compound, and being harmed by various individuals.

Who is the person of interest in Alana's case?

Luke Grant is a person of interest, suspected of unlawful disposal of human remains, though no direct connection to Alana has been confirmed.

What did Luke Grant allegedly tell a friend about a woman in his trunk?

Luke allegedly claimed that a woman he was with had died from a drug overdose and was in the trunk of his car.

What happened to Luke Grant's car?

Luke sold his Honda Accord to a salvage yard, where it was later shredded and recycled in mid-October 2023.

Why is the detective unsure about Luke Grant's involvement?

The detective is unsure because there is no direct evidence tying Luke to Alana, and the witness who received the call did not specify that the woman was Alana.

What challenges does the investigation face regarding eyewitness accounts?

Eyewitnesses often recall dates incorrectly, and their memories can be unreliable, making it difficult to piece together a firm timeline.

How has Alana's disappearance impacted her daughter?

Alana's daughter, Josie, has been struggling emotionally, and her father, Lee, has taken custody of her to provide stability.

What does Lee believe about Alana's disappearance?

Lee believes Alana may have been taken by a trafficking group or someone she was involved with, due to her magnetic personality and the people she associated with.

What is the detective asking the public for?

The detective is seeking any information, rumors, or stories related to Alana's disappearance to help advance the investigation.

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Alana Carroll, 32, vanished on August 15, 2023. Her concerned family reported her missing after days of silence. Unverified sightings and rumors fueled uncertainty, leaving her loved ones grasping for answers.
  • Alana Carroll disappeared on August 15, 2023
  • Family reported her missing after several days of no contact
  • Unconfirmed sightings and rumors circulated
  • Case remained unsolved for nearly a year

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She wouldn't stay away from her family like this. Something bad has to have happened to her, and I know there's no concrete proof, but honestly, there hasn't been any activity or anything. Unfortunately, it just looks like she's gone. She deserves to be brought home and put to rest.

I asked the detective point blank if he believed Alana was dead, and he said yes. Based on the information that he's gotten, he does not believe she's alive. We have been led astray by many people. We believe it's intentional. We think that it's a coordinated effort between people that were involved in whatever happened.

32-year-old Alana Carroll was last seen by her family on August 15, 2023.

It was normal for Alana to call or stop by to check in with her grandmother on a regular basis. But she became concerned as the days passed with no word from her granddaughter. Alana's grandmother Joyce ultimately decided to report her missing to the Clark County Sheriff's Office. Witnesses later reported seeing Alana at a property she was known to frequent in Battleground, Washington. But the reports of when exactly she was seen there have been difficult to pin down.

There were stories from other people who claimed to have seen Alana after that time, none of which have been able to be confirmed. As the months passed, the local rumor mill was rapidly churning out horrifying stories about what happened to Alana, and her loved ones didn't know what to believe. Then, nearly a year later, news broke about a person of interest in the case. But was this case closed, or just another story?

I'm Marissa, and from Wondery, this is episode 463 of The Vanished, Alana Carroll's story.

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Alana Carroll's case came to us just like any other, when her cousin Rachel submitted our contact form back in March of this year. Rachel said, Alana has been missing since August 2023. Police and her family believe she's been killed.

There's even been someone bragging that he killed her. But police need more evidence or witnesses to come forward with information. Rachel was the first person we spoke to, and she told us that she wasn't very involved in Alana's life in recent years. But she had stepped up to help her family spread the word that Alana was missing. That was the best way she figured she could help, since Rachel lives hours away from where Alana disappeared in Battleground, Washington.

I live about four hours away from Alana, and I haven't seen her in many years. But when I found out that she went missing, I got as involved as I possibly could being so far away. Her aunt and her grandmother have tried to get her on the news. They just weren't interested in running the story. But I've heard that there's actually a lot of people, especially young women, who have gone missing recently around the Vancouver Yakult Battleground area.

I personally have been involved in crime forums. I've looked on Reddit, made TikTok posts. The news isn't really interested, I guess, because of the lifestyle that she was leading at the time that she disappeared.

Alana Carroll was born in Vancouver, Washington. She spent many years growing up there, and also in nearby Yakult. Battleground is where Alana was reportedly last seen in 2023. Battleground, Washington is located in the southwest corner of Washington State, nestled between the coast and the Cascade Mountains.

Battleground has a population of just over 20,000 residents and sits inside Clark County, just about a 30-minute drive to the north of Portland, Oregon. Rachel told us more about her childhood memories of Alana.

Alana was born and raised around the Vancouver area. She always lived in that area first with her mother. And then when her mother passed away with her grandmother, she would have been 10 or 11, I think. That's actually the first memory I have of Alana is seeing her at her mom's funeral because we were both just really young. And I mean, I knew I played with her before that, but I don't have a lot of memories of my own childhood. So that was really the first solid memory that I have of her.

She has two brothers. One has passed away.

She was so smart and so fun. She was always really mature for her age. She always had this insight into what she wanted and what she could handle. And she was always so kind and giving. And she was gorgeous. She was so pretty. She was just really fun to be around. She had this really magnetic personality that just made you want to be near her because she just made you feel better.

She was just awesome. She was a really cool person. I saw her whenever my grandmother would go visit her sister and because our grandmothers are sisters. So I would spend the night at her house or go hang out at the mall and we would spend as much time together as we could. It wasn't as often as I would have liked. She was just, you always wanted to be around her because she was just great.

As you can imagine, losing her mother at such a young age was devastating for Alana and her siblings. After the passing of Alana's mother, she was raised by her grandmother, Joyce. Joyce and Alana's Aunt Melissa told us more about this time in Alana's life.

Her mother and Alana and her younger brother were living with us already. Her mother passed away when Alana was 10 years old. All of the kids were devastated, all of them. We wound up going to court with Alana's father, and it lasted for about three years. He said the only way he would relinquish custody is if we adopted her, so we did.

Many years ago, Alana was in a catastrophic accident. Rachel said that it was a long road to recovery for Alana, and it left her struggling to manage severe pain. Alana got into a really bad car accident. I don't remember how old she was, but she had, I think, three of her joints were fixed with metal plates or replaced completely, a hip and something else. I think that was probably what started it, those really severe injuries.

injuries because they bothered her a lot. She told me at one point that she had a lot of pain in her joints from that car accident, the joints that had been replaced. And she was trying vitamins and supplements and everything she could get her hands on. She would try anything to make it hurt less. It really affected her life. I think that was really probably the catalyst, the pain that she was in.

Alana was just 21 years old when this accident occurred. Joyce explained that she believes it was this accident and the lack of adequate medical care that put her granddaughter on a path careening toward addiction.

When she was younger, she had an accident that could have killed her and the passengers that were in there with her. It was 12 years ago. Her daughter was four months old when the accident happened. It was severe enough where she couldn't even hold her daughter in her arms. So I had to take over the raising of her daughter. She got hooked on drugs.

drugs because her doctor basically abandoned her and then decided he wasn't going to take her insurance anymore. Well, because she couldn't get any medication to help her pain, she started self-medicating. So she would go to various different sources and get whatever she could that would end her pain. And Alana just sort of after that, she just started kind of like drifting in and out. She's

Joyce expressed that Alana was a gifted young woman, but once the drugs took hold of her life, all of that seemed to slip away so quickly.

One thing she was excellent at, and that was art and writing. She could actually write very wonderful, detailed stories. I told her she should try to build a career in those two skills of hers, but she just never did. The drugs got in the way of all of it.

Joyce mentioned a couple of minutes ago that Alana had an infant daughter when she got into that devastating accident. We also spoke to the father of Alana's daughter, Lee, who lives in Canada. Lee explained how he met Alana.

As our generations, younger generations, do we meet on the Internet. So I was playing a video game that her son's father was also playing. So we were all playing the same video game together. And unfortunately, their relationship ended and we kept talking through the video game. That's how basically we met. She was a great person. She was really energetic, a cannonball of fun. We were both very, very young. We were just having a good time generally.

She was really a party girl, I would say. But at that time, she was very restrained. She actually didn't drink any alcohol. She did have, as I did at the time, an addiction to cigarettes. But there was no really hard use or anything like that. She was able to stay away from that, even though everything that I saw from her friends was into that or was moving towards that, unfortunately. We weren't together for very long. So she's like almost 800 miles, 700 something miles away.

I mean, it was really, I think, about two years, but the relationship was rocky and we broke up several times. So like the first six months, yes, we visit each other. And then after that, we'd broken up several times and I would generally go down and visit her. So I've gone down probably over a dozen times. Obviously, we had interactions because of our daughter ongoing for over 12 years. The actual time we were together, we weren't together very long.

Lee said he believes that trauma from Alana's early life continued to haunt her and was likely a contributing factor to her substance use later in life and repeated victimization by the men around her. When we first started talking and she started to tell me the story of what's happened to her, I took a step back and I'm a person who's actually not easily shocked, but what's happened to this girl throughout her life, it's horrifying. It doesn't just start with those things you're saying. Those things are almost after the fact.

I think from what I've been told, and I believe her stories, honestly, what she's told me, she was repeatedly assaulted as a young girl all the way up, right probably to the end. I don't know. Hopefully, we get it back. It never ended. So I think there's many indications and there's direct stories from her that she was assaulted as a child. And then through her teen years, she was also assaulted by people like friends' dads and boyfriends she was with and just older men.

After Alana and Lee broke up, Lee expressed that he didn't want to uproot their daughter and take her away from Alana. They did the best they could to co-parent from afar. But communication between Lee and Alana broke down, and he wasn't aware of how deeply Alana had slipped into addiction.

I didn't see and I didn't know. I was basically, I guess you could say I was shocked. I was not told. I was never contacted by the health inspector's services or the police or anything like that. So I would hear rumors. Nobody wanted to tell me, I think, because I guess maybe they were afraid I would take Josephine away and they would never see her again or something like that, you know, but.

So no, unfortunately, I didn't. And because of how our split was and because of the way that Alana was with me, we didn't communicate very well. It was arguments and it was a lot of yelling and things I couldn't cope with. So I did my best to manage the situation without actually having to talk to her much, unfortunately, because when she started to, I guess, use heavily, everything about her changed and she got much more aggressive and she didn't have time for me and she was much more about trying to survive, right?

Due to Alana's lifestyle, Joyce's home was still her residence, but she would come and go. So it was normal for her loved ones to go a period of days without hearing from her. She would call, you know, after she'd been gone for like a few days or a week maybe, and then she would call or she would use somebody's phone and text or she would just come home. Just all of a sudden just show up and there she'd be or she'd have somebody to bring her home.

Alana has two children, a son and a daughter. She was no longer in a relationship with the father of either of her children. And Rachel said that despite addiction having a firm grip on Alana's life, she made sure that she was a consistent presence in the lives of her children.

She has one daughter and one son. Her son lives in, I think, Alaska with his dad now. He used to spend, I think, six months with his mom and then six months with his dad because they live so far apart. But I think he's just with his dad full time now because, you know, she's not around. He's older. I think he's in his early teens. And then her daughter is a little bit younger.

So she bounced around a lot, stayed with different friends. She always came back to her grandma's house, though. Her daughter is at her grandmother's house. She always came home to her grandma's house when she needed something to see her daughter. That was kind of like her home base, and she always came back regularly. She would never be gone for an extended period of time because she still tried to be there with her family and for her family.

When Alana disappeared, she didn't have a phone, so Joyce said she just stopped hearing from her granddaughter. The days passed without any word, and it began to feel as though too much time had gone by.

Alana had lost about every phone she ever had. No, every phone. Yeah, every phone. Yes, it would either be lost or it would be stolen. And I had tried many times to get her to get another phone. She kept saying that she would, but she never did. So she would just wind up using a friend's phone or whoever phone she happened to be next to to call or text or anything like that.

Well, one thing that kind of bothered me was the fact that she'd been gone for so long and she didn't call, didn't text or show up or ask for a ride or ask for money. Then another thing that kind of bothered me, too, was a certain person that she had been staying with called and said he was worried about her and had seen her or heard from her.

This person had never called about this before whenever she wasn't at their place. And he did this two times close at hand. And I thought it was rather odd. He was considered a friend. Alana's Aunt Melissa said they later learned that this person who was phoning them to inquire about Alana was more than a friend.

He was a drug supplier. Yes, he was. And that's not all. We found out about the fact that he was manipulating her into having sex with him for drugs. And he wasn't the only one. In September, Alana's family decided it was time to report her missing. Rachel, who was living several hours away, said that she wasn't immediately aware that Alana was missing. It was several months later when her mom made a comment, and Rachel knew she had to do something to help.

I found out she went missing about, I think it was four months after she went missing. It just happened. It was a comment that I got. I was on the phone with my mom who takes care of my grandmother and lives with her and my

My grandmother talks to her sister, Alana's grandmother, every week for hours. It was just a comment my mom made when we were talking one day. I was like, oh my God, I didn't know she was missing. Why didn't anybody tell me? Then I messaged my Aunt Joyce and I asked her, hey, what's going on? She told me everything

That she could tell me everything that she knew, and then I started looking and reaching out and asking questions and trying to get some kind of answers. I mean, the police are looking, obviously, but there's not any media coverage that will really help us find her right now. Rachel turned to online forums to spread the word about Alana's disappearance, and that's when she began receiving tidbits of information.

got some tips on Reddit from a Reddit post that they had seen her at this local Proud Boys compound. That is very out of character for her. That is not the kind of thing that she believed in. That wouldn't be like her at all. I don't know why she would be up there or involved in anything like that. And we forwarded that tip to the police. People say the worst things. It's just coming through the grapevine. I don't know how much of it is true.

The word is that she's buried under a fire pit. There's this local family, these boys. They're trouble. It's that compound kind of thing. Up there in the middle of the woods, lots of guns kind of place. The word is that he's buried her up there under their fire pit.

Somebody had seen her at a grocery store, I think they had said, and she gave them a cigarette. But it's so hard to say because a lot of people that run in that lifestyle and run in that circle, they're not going to talk. So I think that makes it even harder. There's like no incentive except they're going to be a snitch or something's going to happen to them. I haven't gotten any tips outside of

Reddit. On Reddit, I posted locally to the Vancouver subreddit and I did get some tips and I sent those all to her local family and then they forwarded those to the police. TikTok, we got nothing but views and reshares, which is, of course, always helpful. But it's not information that's leading towards her. At least it's getting her name out there and the fact that she's missing.

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Alana's family hadn't seen her since mid-August, but tips were coming in from people who claimed to have seen Alana well after that time. Joyce and Melissa told us more.

We had many people claiming that they saw her or talked to her after her disappearance. A lot of those just turned out to be red herrings that we were being fed. I did speak with a friend of hers, and he said he saw her at a gas station near his house with a guy he said was approximately 50 with graying hair. And she tried to introduce him, and he apparently refused.

was acting aggressive and jealous is what he described it as. And so he said, you know, I don't want to be around this basically and took off. And that was mid-September. He knew her really well. So he knew what she was into and he was just didn't want to be a part of that situation.

A number of people that she knew were older, and I did send him a number of pictures. And he said none of them looked like him. But on the other hand, he said he didn't really get a very good look. So he wasn't able to identify any of the people that I sent pictures of. But a lot of people don't photograph like they look in real life. So I wasn't really surprised by that.

Lee said sometimes it's been difficult to take these stories seriously because they haven't always remained consistent.

The only problem is that the person that's given us that information has also given us three to four other tips. And those three to four other tips, including this one, didn't really pan out. I'm not saying that they were wrong, but it's becoming a little bit questionable whether this person has ever seen her. It's hard to take some of these people seriously because of the nature of her relationships with these people.

There was obviously enemies that people have on the streets as well. I think there was actually some people that had a grudge against her in some of these camps or in some of these sort of communities of people that are on the streets.

This person who claimed to have seen Alana was someone who had known her for years. Could that have been a case of mistaken identity? Or was he remembering the time frame incorrectly? But this friend was not the only person claiming to have seen Alana. Melissa and Joyce said that many of the tips they received were pointing at a compound out in the battleground area.

We found out from a number of different people. In fact, pretty much every single person when I posted the missing persons flyer immediately pointed the finger at one specific person. And his name is Scott Norgaard. He lives out in Battleground on a 17-acre property. They call it the compound. And the print said that the last place they saw her was at the compound. And the story went that

Alana supposedly stole 200 fentanyl tablets, and we heard that, in fact, she did not take those, but she knew who did. But they did kick her off the property is what they said. They claim. But they also claim to have dropped her off somewhere. But yet no one ever saw her after that. I believe that would have been the end of September or the beginning of October.

Because Scott has a son and he told me that he last saw her after his friend. And that would have been beginning of October or late September.

A friend of Scott's said she saw Alana, but that was about mid-August, and she saw Alana at that place. Scott Norgaard called me two times in close proximity, said he was worried about her. Well, she's been off his property before for a long period, and he never called then. Why now? Like I said, they have a large property, and people were like, you know, they have a pond. They have different buildings on the property.

These guys are known to be involved in drugs and have a lot of guns out there. I guess they've been trying to get them for a long time. I was told by the police that they've been out there a number of times doing raids. Could this guy from the compound, who had phoned Joyce a couple of times to inquire about Alana, have been the man that a witness claimed to have seen Alana with at a gas station?

He's somewhere in his 60s, but he looks probably a little younger. If they didn't get a close-up look, you know, I mean, it could have been him, and they just didn't get a close enough look to be able to establish what he really looked like. The deeper that Melissa and Joyce dug into the history of the people who lived at this property, the more frightened they became about what that could mean for Alana.

The grandfather was convicted of kidnapping. There's an article about him in the Reflector. This article is 2012. It says,

Seven counts of being an ex-felon in possession of a firearm and also possessing heroin and marijuana. And then it also says prior to that, Norgard served six and a half years after being convicted of first degree kidnapping and possessing marijuana.

A November 29, 1982 article in the Tri-County Herald documented the kidnapping of a 16-year-old and another juvenile. During the investigation into that kidnapping, they discovered 300 pounds of marijuana on a property owned by this family. The article states that Charles Norgard, along with his two sons, Scott and Curtis, were charged with kidnapping and drug-related offenses. Other family members were also charged.

but only with the drug offenses, not the kidnapping. The 2012 Reflector article that Melissa just mentioned discussed the 2012 arrest on seven counts of being an ex-felon in possession of a firearm and also possessing heroin and marijuana. It also discussed a 1999 raid on the same property. During that raid, federal agents seized marijuana, 23 guns, and more than 7,500 rounds of ammunition. This was serious stuff. You

You can understand why Joyce and Melissa were so concerned after taking this information in. They were also hearing stories about things that went on at the compound that could have been true or just rumors, but frightening nonetheless. Despite their suspicions, the Norgards cooperated with the investigation.

They got a warrant and he cooperated. Most of their property is fairly open, but there are woods about and the acreage is 17 acres. So it's a large property and it is definitely out there. And they had cadaver dogs out at their house. They've gotten a number of search warrants for information, but so far nothing concrete.

Lee said that when he learned about the compound, he wanted to just go to the property and start looking around and asking questions. But then he learned more about the potential dangers and realized that that may not be a wise decision.

this compound. It's not anything I can just go and poke my head around. As a matter of fact, I mentioned to the grandmother, can't we just go there and start looking for her? And they said, no. As soon as I started to realize that she was really, there was something that was really going on, that's what my intention was, just take the whole family basically and walk down the driveway. I want the whole place searched. I think they searched portion. I don't know if it was a complete, I guess it was. I'm naive about these things. I'm still thinking about her being alive. So if I think about them searching

I guess if they searched a certain area with the police dogs, that makes sense. I just wish I knew if they'd searched every nook and cranny of the building to see if she's still there. But I almost think that they completely complied to everything and we should start looking other words, like maybe she was just taken off the street because I still have this idea in my head. It's because if she was and on the street and she was very attractive, somebody snatched her. And I'm still hoping that even though it's a horrible thought, that she's still alive out there somewhere, maybe being kept by somebody.

You may find that a simple Google search will return different dates regarding when Alana actually went missing. Many say August 1st, but we know that she was alive and well after that time. Joyce saw Alana on August 15th. We also spoke to Detective Arvizo from the Clark County Sheriff's Office, who has been investigating Alana's case for nearly a year. Since the timeline of Alana's disappearance is a bit fuzzy due to her lifestyle and also the various stories that have circulated about

About who saw Alana and when. We asked him what they've been able to establish. Kind of the issue was, for me anyways, investigating this. I didn't join the major crimes unit until the beginning of December of 2023. And that was actually my very first case when I got assigned and I joined the unit. By the time I started talking to people, already that kind of that fuzzy date range stuff started happening.

I know she was released from Clark County Jail. It would have been middle of August. I want to say it was either the 15th or 16th. I don't have my notes right off the bat. She had been picked up by Battleground PD for, I think, just a simple warrant. But she was released from the Clark County Jail right around the 15th or 16th. And she went with the Norgar resident, is my understanding.

for the Norvair compound shortly after that. And that's kind of where she liked to hang out. No digital footprint whatsoever. No phone, nothing like that. She got reported September, and we called September 15th. The deputy took a report that day. Got her entered, and the system is missing that day.

It seemed that at the beginning of the investigation, many people were pointing a finger at the Norgards, and Detective Arvizo said that they were investigated rigorously. He told us more about the search of their property on the outskirts of Battleground.

Definitely like a rural area, like an outskirt, probably a few miles outside of the Battleground City limits. It's just farmhouses out there. So we went there in December. We interviewed everyone that was present on the property that day. We got consent from the North Arts. They let us search the property with the cadaver dogs.

and the dog didn't have any hits. I think there was some rumors that Alana may have been buried in a burn pit or something along those lines on the property, but we didn't have any success with the cadaver dog. So they had made mention that she had walked off the property and had narrowed it down to a trip that the younger Noragard had gone to

It was either the day of when he went to Pendleton or the day before, I guess her 21st. But that would have been just a few days after she got released from the Clark County Jail.

So we started with the date of August 15th, when Joyce last saw Alana. The Norgards admitted that she was at their property, but left around August 20th or 21st. If that's true, where was Alana headed next? Beyond the stories about the Norgards, Melissa and Joyce said that the rumor mill just kept churning out new tales about what happened to Alana, and it was difficult to tell fact from fiction.

We've heard from people that a man has been claiming that he threw Alana from his car and dragged her body off the road. And there are multiple witnesses that are willing to come forward and talk to law enforcement about that.

From the very beginning, I spoke to a woman, and she's been saying from day one to a mutual friend of theirs that Alana was probably dead in a ditch somewhere. And she's now claiming that Alana was in a car with a man whom I just mentioned was saying he threw out of his car, and that Alana overdosed in the car and that they didn't have any Narcan and she died. We had been led astray by many people.

We believe it's intentional. We think that it's a coordinated effort between people that were involved in whatever happened. There was this other guy that Alana was friends with. I contacted him to see if he had heard from her or anything. I never got an answer back. And that was odd because before whenever I called him, he would call me back. But whenever I asked about her, he didn't call me back at all. He never has.

And we were told by somebody to look into the fact that they thought that he might have her in his possession. We told the police about that, too. And some of her other friends that we contacted, some of them never bothered to call us back or answer us back or even put up her posters. And then there was a story about one of Alana's ex-boyfriends. A friend claimed to have seen him beating her up around the time of her disappearance.

A friend of hers was supposed to meet her at the Meridian apartment. When she got there, she witnessed Alana's ex-boyfriend in the process of beating her right in front of the whole world. And she said that a couple of guys intervened and stopped the assault. So...

We thought that was interesting because he said, I haven't seen her in how long? He was trying to say two years. Yeah. So he's saying he hasn't seen her in two years, and yet he's seen by witnesses beating her in public. That's what he said, a couple of years. Said he hadn't seen her or anything like that. But Alana didn't really tell us. She kept that to herself, and occasionally she would share it with various people. But it was piecemeal. Everybody had...

A little piece here, a little piece there. Mom tried to message him, but he basically just keeps it short and denies seeing her and denies everything. There was another woman that was a friend of this person. And whenever she asked him questions about Alana, he blocked her, which I thought was rather odd.

Detective Arvizo said that he's checked into the leads that place Alana alive and well into September and October, looking for anything he could confirm for sure. No sightings of her in the September range that I've been able to confirm where I got someone like telling me, yeah, I saw her for sure past this date.

Alana's loved ones heard all of these different stories about various people having harmed Alana, but there were others who were saying that she just decided to take off on her own, which her family said they knew wasn't true.

In fact, a lot of people had the nerve to suggest that she took off. And they said, well, if you knew her like I do, well, if you knew her like I do, you'd know that she would never leave her family. She was very dependent on her family for everything, rides, food, cigarettes, health, you name it. If she needed a ride in the middle of the night, she sure as hell wasn't going to call some strange person. She's going to call, Grandpa, can you come get me?

She was always asking them for help because she knew that they would never let her down. So to suggest that she would just take off is ridiculous. Clearly, if they thought it through or they had the sense enough to think it through, they'd realize how stupid it sounded. She's going to abandon her children. She wouldn't do that. I asked the detective point blank if he believed Alana was dead. And he said yes. Based on the information that he's gotten, he does not believe she's alive.

Lee thinks that perhaps some people believed that Alana was just going to turn up, because she had dropped off for periods of time before. But Lee said she never went radio silent for this long, and Lee knows that she wouldn't do this to their daughter.

This time, I didn't know what to think right away. I know that they were saying that she was missing, I think, in August. And then by September, we knew something was wrong. Being gone for months and months is something that she's never done. And she never really moved out necessarily. She's always lived there. So she's always come in and out and always visited Josie quite often. I wouldn't even say there was a week that she's gone.

By the time that Alana vanished, Lee hadn't been in her day-to-day life for a number of years. Their relationship had become strained, but he still cared deeply for Alana and also knew that this would have a profound impact on their daughter. Once Lee learned that Alana was missing, he wanted to help in any way that he could. But remember, Lee lives many hours away in Canada.

So he turned to the internet to see what he could do to assist in the search efforts. Lee discovered that by 2023, Alana was immersed in a completely different crowd of friends than she had been years prior when they met, and it was difficult for him to figure out where to begin.

Basically, her friends that she had when I knew her back in '10 and '11 and '12, they haven't seen her in a long time. I don't think she did very good at, unfortunately, keeping relationships after whatever the big downturn was and whenever that was, you know what I mean? So there was constantly new people. Unfortunately, I don't know any of those people and I probably wouldn't do because these people are not the kind of people I would want to hang out with in the first place. I've done everything I could physically from here. I've tried to contact the news in every form.

And every friend that I could get a hold of when I'm constantly posting, well, not constantly anymore because there's only so much I can post in some of these groups, but I'm in missing Washington group and things like that. But there's not much I can do from here, right? But I think it would have taken somebody like a private investigator if I could go down there and actually try and talk to the people that talked with her last. I think the people that saw her last are, like I said, these people that are fortunately living in these places where they, you know, homes or private residences where they sell drugs.

I sound very naive about this because I don't know anything about that kind of lifestyle other than the stuff with her. When we first spoke to Joyce and Melissa in May, they voiced that they were happy with the investigator on Alana's case. He always kept an open line of communication and ran down all of the leads, no matter how crazy some of them sounded. But they also acknowledged that he was carrying a heavy caseload and only had so much time to devote to each individual case.

It took us some work to get an investigator involved. We had a deputy come over, and he took an interest in the case. And he said, I'm going to try to nose around and see what I can find out. And then someone brought some potential evidence to us, and a detective came out and collected that. Once we got that call, that got the head of major crimes basically taking it seriously. And so he was investigating it whenever he had time.

And they told us they didn't have the resources and they just hired Detective Arbizo. And immediately he just jumped in and came over and talked to us and started writing warrants and really, really taking it seriously. And so it did take us some work to get an investigator involved. But we were fortunate. Mom and I were very persistent in the beginning and talking to people and trying to gather information. And I

I think we were really instrumental in getting someone. His investigation has been kind of sidetracked at times, investigating new homicides. And because Alana, they don't have her body and they don't have any witnesses, other cases will take priority, you know, like when they have a body. So he was sidetracked by two murders. Those were solved very quickly. So he said it allowed him to go back to Alana's case and continue investigating that.

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As the months wore on without any solid leads, Alana's loved ones started to lose hope. And then, as the one-year mark was rapidly approaching, something finally broke.

A local news station got their hands on a search warrant. What was written in that warrant was shocking, and it was about someone who hadn't been on their radar previously. A friend or acquaintance of Alana's, named Luke Grant, was under suspicion of unlawful disposal of human remains. As of the date that this episode was recorded, Luke Grant has not been charged with anything in regards to Alana. However, in August 2024, he was incarcerated on unrelated charges.

During the course of the investigation into Alana's disappearance, a woman came forward claiming that Luke had frantically called her, saying that a woman he was with had died, and she was now in the trunk of his car. He allegedly claimed that they used drugs together, and when he woke up, he found the woman was dead. She believed this call occurred in late August of 2023, which matches the time frame of Alana's disappearance.

The warrant also discussed another witness, one of Luke's friends, who said that Luke came to his house inquiring about paint so he could paint his car. Of course, investigators wanted to find the car that allegedly had a woman's body inside of the trunk sometime around late August, so they could conduct forensic searches on the vehicle. Unfortunately, they found out that Luke had taken his Honda Accord to a salvage yard and shortly thereafter, it was sent to be recycled. The

The car had been shredded long before it ever came up on the investigators' radar. When we learned about this major development in Alana's case, we got on another call with Melissa and Joyce to go over what they had learned.

I got contacted by a friend of Alana's and he was really excited to talk to me because he had spoken to a woman and she had told him that Luke had a dead woman in the trunk of his car who had overdosed. We had our timeline and mom and I were like, it doesn't matter if it is or is not Alana.

Our attitude is that's somebody's child and turn that information over because if it's not Alana, then that person needs to be found. There are people go missing here all the time. We see it all the time now that we're on the missing person sites. So I immediately gave that information to Detective Arvizo. I've been kind of letting the detective do his thing and help update us.

I mean, he alerted us when he found out that the warrant had been requested and reviewed. He let us know they're probably going to do a story on it. They're in the same circle. I guess they were just friends that hung out. Or maybe gave her a ride to the house and came in and she never mentioned last name. That's all I ever knew of Luke. Nothing else. All these people that we have spoken to, they all had personal knowledge of this person.

People have said that he's not a good guy. If you look, you will find there's an article, and we heard this through the grapevine, that he was wanted on charges of a drive-by shooting involved in a drug deal gone bad.

And I think his brother was shot in the leg. Then what we heard via the same sources is that he had taken off to California. Then he came back here apparently and he was arrested on burglary charges, I believe it was. What we had heard is that he had, this is their words, not mine, rattle canned the car. So they took, you know, spray paint and spray painted the car before they had it scrapped.

Which makes you wonder why. What's the point of painting your car? Did someone see it? Is that why you painted it? Or maybe he was afraid of physical evidence being on there and he wanted to spray paint over it. I mean, we don't know if there was blood, vomit. We don't know.

He had called a friend and asked them what to do with the body. One of them even says that he woke up and she was in the trunk, like she put herself there. How would that happen? See, it's totally ridiculous. But for all we know, that whole panic call was staged. I mean, if I killed somebody, I'd rather people thought it was an accident.

If you didn't kill her, why would you hide her body? And people keep saying, well, he might've panicked. Well, okay. What's his excuse for not calling and telling someone where her body is by now, if it was an accident?

For all we know, whenever he told that woman that she overdosed, that could have just been something he told her to cover what really happened. He was requested for an interview and he declined without an attorney. I think we both think that there is a possibility that someone else could be involved because they don't have, in my opinion, enough information to say yay or nay yet. We're just in the same boat. I mean, nothing has really changed. No one's been charged. She hasn't been found.

So, other than a suspect, nothing is any different for us. Since the witness who claimed to have received that frantic call from Luke about a dead woman in his trunk never said that Luke specifically said it was Alana, no one can be certain. It's just a guess at this point, because they knew one another, and the timeline matches up with when Alana vanished.

Learning that the car had been shredded and recycled was a devastating blow to the investigation. Still, Luke sounds like a viable suspect. Yet they don't have enough to charge him, and Alana is still missing.

In the beginning of this episode, Rachel said that they didn't have any luck getting Alana featured on the local news. But now, after this information leaked out about Luke, the local news finally took an interest. When we spoke to Detective Arvizo, he mentioned that Luke's name had come up on his radar before. And it was actually when they searched the Norgard property that he recalls hearing a mention of Luke.

So actually, the NorGards mentioned Luke when I interviewed him that day regarding Alana. So the name came up initially there with that. And then someone had reached out to me to talk to a couple friends of Luke because they had heard through the grapevine that Luke made mention that he was with a girl that had overdosed and that had been found in her trunk. And that's kind of how I got looking into Luke a little bit further and

in relation to this case. There's no evidence where they were like boyfriend, girlfriend. Luke's dad had known that Ilana had at least visited once at his house because Luke lived with his dad briefly and his dad lives over by the North Star compound. I was actually able to talk to Luke before he caught wind of the news story. He actually agreed to speak with me while he was in jail.

And he only mentioned knowing Alana just seeing her a few times over the past summer. Otherwise, he didn't really know her. He thinks it's been taken out of context. So one of Luke's friends had told me that basically Luke had this old Honda Accord. He had painted the back and the rear end of it white for reasons of painting the back of your car. That would be probably painting it so it doesn't look similar to any cars like on video surveillance.

to alter the appearance of that car so if it's seen again, the owner is like, oh, that's not the car. And then he had sold the car to Pick and Pull. It's kind of like a junkyard, but you can come pick parts off cars that have been involved in wrecks or sold to them before they end up recycling it. So Luke ends up selling this car in mid-September

to pick and pull. And this is the car that allegedly had the body in the trunk. And Luke sold the car to pick and pull, and then they ended up recycling the car in October. And checking with the recycling center, they shred the cars the day that they receive them. So the car would have been shredded mid-October-ish.

The photos I had received from Pick and Pull when they bought the car, and you can barely see the tail end of it, but you see that the car is indeed painted white in the back. It's only like half the car. It's not the whole car. I was just awed.

If you were to read the news articles that were published when the news broke about Luke, they may lead you to believe that this is an open and shut case, and that law enforcement believes they have their guy. However, Detective Arvizo said that isn't the case. While it's certainly suspicious that Luke allegedly called a friend and claimed to have a dead woman in his trunk, then proceeded to paint part of his vehicle and have it destroyed, nothing they've uncovered yet establishes a direct tie to Luke.

And they have other persons of interest that they're looking at as well. There's no one saying for sure that Luke mentioned Alana by name. So I can't even definitively tie, based on all these statements heard by the third party, is this Alana or is this some other girl? That's kind of the frustrating aspect of this missing person case for sure.

But what people forget when you write search warrant affidavits, we're not necessarily listing out all the details of our investigation. It's only really specifically for that narrow aspect of why we wanted a search warrant for that particular instance. A lot of people think that, "Hey, we're searching for evidence of crimes too, but we also search for people's innocence too, right? So you're disproved for corroborating statements and whatnot."

So I think a lot of people that search warrant affidavit went out, but that's not the entire investigation in a nutshell. I mean, there's a couple more still in active investigation, so I can't really speak to it. But ex-boyfriend piece is certainly one in Avenue we're looking at. And then there's another party as well, impossible that we need to flesh out.

It's been more than 14 months since Alana vanished, and her loved ones have heard so many stories about what happened to her. They've attempted to piece together a firm timeline based on eyewitness accounts. What they've come to learn is that eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. People often recall dates incorrectly, and they can't rule anything in or out for sure, based on these various sightings.

There are people who said they saw Alana in September and October. But if it's true that Luke really said there was a woman in his trunk in late August, and that woman was Alana, those sightings must not have happened, or the witnesses misremembered the dates. Even with the best of intentions, our memories can get it wrong.

The thing is, is that our memories are not as good as we think they are. When someone says it was X date, you're like, well, I don't know how to distorted your sense of time it because everyone has a different perception of what is short and what is long. And if someone were to ask me, well, when did XX occur? I'd be like, well, I'm going to guess maybe three weeks ago. But then I look at the date. I'm like, yeah, I was kind of off a bit.

So, I mean, it's really possible that everybody is mistaken and that what they think happened on XX date actually happened a week earlier or two weeks earlier. The thing is, he told me his friend saw Alana and by my figuring would have been mid-September or thereabouts. Initially, he said he saw her in August, but then he later told me that he saw her a week after date.

And the thing is, he knew she was missing in that point. So I'm like, well, if what you say is true, you knew she was missing. Why didn't you call? When we spoke with Lee in July, he said that his daughter has been struggling in the aftermath of Alana's disappearance. And he and Alana's family agreed that it would be best for Lee to take custody of her.

I never challenged her for custody or anything like that. I just wanted Josie to be around her mother and have a stable place. And I didn't want to rip her away from her family or anything like that. But on the hindsight, you know, now that she's missing, her family and everybody are having a harder time. Josie's having a lot of difficulties. Of course, her mother's missing, right? And it's hard for her to process at 12. So she's having a difficult time. So the family has asked me officially to take custody. And so just in the last week, legally, I now have custody of her.

Lee said that he hadn't ever been part of the missing persons community before all of this, because he had no reason to be a part of it. He never knew anyone else who had gone missing. But while searching for Alana, he immersed himself in the missing persons community, reading stories of other missing people, and how they were found or their cases were solved.

Lee has been preparing himself for the future. He's now raising the daughter he shared with Alana. And Lee knows that no matter what the outcome is, this will impact his daughter's life forever. He's bracing himself for what may or may not come next.

I'm seeing all these missing people stories on these Facebook groups. Somebody was found basically many decades after in the same place where they had searched before. So that just that we need to continue to repeatedly search places. Once you have someone missing, you start to realize the whole world of missing people is this thing you're pulled into where there are only certain things you can hold on to. Maybe a police report, maybe somebody, some Facebook group or a radio show like yours that just keeps us hoping that there's something next.

Maybe nothing next for the next 20 years, possibly. That's what we have to prepare ourselves for. I want to go back and connect this to, I think, one of the first or second questions you asked. The problem Alana is dealing with, from what I can see, is a generational thing. And I don't mean generational from within the family. I mean generational as in from the area. There's particularly bad problems in parts of Washington. I just think it's hard for a person to grow up.

and not be face to face with some of these things, meth and heroin and oxycontin and all these different things. And I think the things that Alana struggled with, it's a situation from school, the towns, and just the people in that general area, but not all the people, but the people from this sort of culture. It's addiction and sexual abuse and mental abuse and no care for any of it. In general, I don't think we want to look at these things. I think it's almost like healthcare and in the sense that

You may not know or care about the healthcare system and the problems until you're actually sick yourself or have someone, a loved one that's missing. And you don't really know, you may have conceptually know about things like America's Most Wanted and see missing persons posters. Or once it's your loved one, that missing person poster that I see on the telephone pole here in Vancouver, BC hits a lot harder. Also people sometimes victim blame too. So maybe those missing persons, if there are a certain demographic

Maybe they did want to harm themselves or maybe they did put themselves in harm's way. That's a way for us to disconnect and not necessarily care about that missing person. This has profoundly affected me. This has completely changed my life. You know, losing the mother, I've always wanted her to be there

alive and safe for my daughter, even if we didn't see eye to eye. But I don't see any of us in the family giving this up at any point. I just have a feeling. I think the police may think that she's dead because of those are the signs, certain signs that they have. But I think it's much more likely that somebody, either a trafficking group grabbed her or one of her exes or somebody that she was around grabbed

grabbed her and has her there. Just because of the way that she was, she was a very infectious person. People loved her. She was the center of attention. And some of the men that were with her didn't want to let go. Despite the more recent developments in Alana's case regarding Luke, Detective Arvizo said he's still seeking information from the public about Alana's disappearance. Her case is still unsolved, and they're looking for any new information to help move their investigation forward.

Anyone that laughs fewer or any stories of what might have happened to her, regardless of its rumor reveal or what they've heard, they haven't already spoken to detectives in this case or myself. Certainly reach out and let me know what they know so I can follow up on whatever information they have. Just because of the community she hangs out with, a lot of people would just hear stuff through like the grapevine, but they weren't necessarily present to witness people saying those things or anything.

Just over the course of time, people misremember stuff or get fuzzy on what they actually heard. I've gotten some tips. I go interview them, like, oh, I didn't say that. I know her family's still very involved in trying to garner information as to what happened to Alana.

So what happened to Alana Carroll after she was last seen in mid-August of 2023? We know that witnesses place Alana at the Norgard's property, but they've been investigated. Their property was searched and they cooperated with law enforcement. They admitted that Alana had been there, but she later left.

There have been multiple witnesses who reported seeing Alana after that time. One friend said he saw her at a gas station with an older man. And another friend claimed to witness an ex-boyfriend beating Alana up at an apartment complex. Nearly a year later, in August of 2024, the news broke about a person of interest in the case, named Luke Grant.

He allegedly confided in someone that he had a dead woman in his trunk. He said she had died while they were using drugs together. He later partially painted his car and had it destroyed. While he remains a person of interest today, there's no concrete evidence connecting him to Alana's disappearance. And Detective Arvizo said that Luke isn't the only person of interest they're looking at.

Alana's family and Detective Arvizo are seeking answers from the public. They're hoping that someone out there who holds a piece of the puzzle they're seeking will come forward with new information that will help them find Alana. If you have any information regarding the disappearance of Alana Carroll, please contact Detective Arvizo with the Clark County Sheriff's Office at 364-397-2028.

Yeah, one positive thing.

There's a lot of people that they know Alana and they're not sharing her poster and they're not, you know, they're talking about it amongst themselves, but they're not sharing it and they're not putting it out there and they're not curious as to what happened. It's like they just, they don't give a crap.

We just don't know what happened. So you're going through all the different theories. Is she possibly just run away or is she like being manipulated by someone who is holding power over her either through addiction or physical or both? But I'm still hoping that that's what happened as opposed to her being seized. I wish I could do something about it to make people more aware of how many people are missing and how little resources the police have to do the basic stuff.

I don't know if it's just gossip spreading as it does and morphing as it moves along or what, but yeah, we've heard multiple stories, you know, about the situation. Who's to say what the truth is? We just don't know that. All I've been doing is sharing and like, hey, let's get some visibility. Let's get somebody to talk. Bring her home to her family. We won't be able to find her without help. We're trying, but, you know, it needs visibility.

so

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