David Archuleta & Justin Sylvester: Winning Cars & Soaking
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I don't need therapy. I don't need a prayer service. I need the fucking facts. Get to the point. She shut me down. I know. She's like, I don't want this toxic man near me. See, you're a nice person. Don't tell anyone. Well, nobody thinks it, so it doesn't matter. Jeff Lewis has issues. Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis Has Issues. In today's episode, David Archuleta and Justin Sylvester join the show. We talk about winning cars, a fascinating religious practice, and favorite songs.

I'm sure everybody knows who you are, but you were the seventh season of American Idol. You were the runner-up. I have a question, though. Did you win a car? I did. Yeah. As a runner-up, you got a car? Did you really? I did. I got a Ford Escape. I still drive it.

Are you serious? Do you want to give it to Jameson? Because he is looking for a car. It's hard for me to let it go. That's why I'm still driving it because I don't know. We've been through so much. From 2008? From 2008, yeah. I'm so sorry. You have been through so much in your life and that is the first question that Jeff Lewis is asking you if you want a car on American Idol? No.

I was just curious because I thought, because Shane mentioned him, like, no, he's the runner-up. And you said the first two. Oh, top two. Always get the new Ford. It was like, it was an iconic part of the show. Yeah, Ford was the sponsor, yeah. Did you get to pick the color or no?

I don't remember. It was what I wanted, though. Everything I wanted in a car was the one they gave me. The Ford Escape? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to ask that like that. I didn't mean to say it like that. Oh, the Ford Escape. I feel like other people who've won cars, they did exchange them to turn it in for a different car, a different Ford. I was like, no, this is everything I wanted. It was small, but still high, had good storage in the back.

Easy to park because it's like a short and stout kind of car. Look at how grateful he is. Yeah. For real. This is refreshing. We have a lot of entitled people that are coming out of this studio, Justin. And it's just so nice. I mean, can you believe this? I just like to be practical.

- Can I ask you a question? - And it's a practical car. - I have so many questions about American Idol. - Yeah. - Can we talk about the car for a second? - Yeah, let's talk about the car. - I've been through a lot with it. - Did they say to you like, oh, what kind of options do you want? What color? - What package? - Yeah, did you have any say in it? - All I wanted was the GPS navigation, 'cause it was before GPS was on our phones.

So that's all I asked for. He was 16. Like, give a 16-year-old a car with zero doors and they'll love it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was stoked. But people returned it for a different car? Other people in the... Where's David Cook's car? That's what I want to know. I think he turned his car in and got a more fun car. But I think since then he's moved on even. I just had a hard time moving on. Did Kelly Clarkson get a car? No, she got a contract. Sure.

Kelly Clarkson got a contract and a lot of money. Wow. Yeah. You had to pay taxes on that, though, huh? Probably. I don't remember.

I don't imagine. I don't remember. Ken, do you have to pay taxes? Do you remember? Was Ken with you then? That was before I understood what taxes even were, basically. I didn't. Jennifer Hudson got a Ford Escape. That's what you need to sit on right there. Jennifer Hudson wasn't even in the finale of her season. Was she not? Even though I voted like crazy, like a madman, too, because that was one of the times I cried watching the show was when Jennifer Hudson did not make it to the next week.

It's kind of wild. It was Barry Manilow. I'm like traumatized by it. It was Barry Manilow week. She sang Weekend in New England, one of the greatest performances I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. And it gave me goosebumps when I watched it. And I was...

I was voting like crazy to make sure she stayed in. And I was just like, I didn't do enough. I didn't do enough. You said that it was just one of the times you cried. Yeah. So when else did you cry? The first time I cried was when the first season of American Idol, there was a contestant named Ryan Starr. Shut up. Oh, she was pretty. I remember her. She was beautiful. Yes. She was just like, yeah, she was hot. She was beautiful, but she gave such a great...

I just loved the way she performed too. And she had an edge to her. If I remember correctly, that's what it was. I love, I love it when a girl has edge. So, um, and I cried when she was, uh,

I feel like you cried every season. No. Those are probably... The only two times you cried, David? I think so. Come on, David. I hope you don't cry today. As long as you don't make me cry. All right, go ahead with your American Idol questions. Yes! That was it! That was it! That was it! That was it!

I'm waiting for him to tear up. Is that why you're doing this? So you are trying to make him cry. I'm feeling emotional. Okay, great. This is not American Idol. Oh, my God. I'm still blown away by that. I saw a little bit of David's nipple, and I'm really tearing up right here. Oh, God.

You got that side boob going at 8 o'clock in the morning. Somebody is working on his fitness. You got a real side eye, don't you? Right? Let me ask you this question because I'm dying to know. You're one of us now. He doesn't know what that means. I do. You're in the community. You're one of the letter people. We're queer and we're here. Yeah, we're queer and we're here. Oh, I thought you were talking about chumps. No, no, no. Oh, you're talking about queers. About queers, yeah. What's a chump?

- Yeah. - Great question. - Commercial break. - They'll find out. - It's people that appear on this show or listen to this show. - Okay. - Are called chumps, you'll see. - Oh, oh. - You'll see. - Did you know who you were when you were competing? And was there like a fear that someone was gonna ask you

about it. 'Cause I would imagine at 17, getting on an international stage and dealing with the press and the media would really throw me for a loop. 'Cause I was afraid to go to school at 16, 17, because I was afraid to get outed. Were you ever afraid of that? - Well, he wasn't gay then. - Well, I was, yeah. - You kinda know, like at 16, 17, maybe you know. - Well, maybe you didn't know. - In the back of your head. - I didn't know because also, I grew up Mormon. - Yes. - Like a Latter Day Saint.

They taught you basically, well, you're not gay if you don't act on it. So in my mind, I wasn't gay. I know I wasn't into guys. I mean, maybe there was an inkling of it, but I was like, as long as I don't pay attention to it and I don't,

I don't think about it. It's not there. Yeah. I guess I'm definitely gay. Have you seen Book of Mormon musical? Yeah. There's a song that goes, turn it off like a light switch. Just click. It's a cool little Mormon trick. That's like exactly what I was doing. And a lot of people in churches do, I think.

Well, look, I went to Salt Lake City, honey, and that yellow Facebook was blowing up over there. Oh, my gosh. It seems like the Mormons are real. Did you get on Grindr? Well, all my friends, I was at a wedding, and all my friends, I was at the reception, and it was like popcorn, and it seemed like all the Mormon boys after 1130 can't turn the light switch off. Salt Lake City has a really...

there's a pretty strong, whoops, a pretty strong LGBT, yeah. - And it was very friendly. It was super friendly. - Why are we going to Hawaii on spring break? We should go to Salt Lake City. - We should go to SLC. - Go to SLC. - Wow. - Salt Lake City proper, like once you leave 30 minutes in any direction, you're in Mormon country.

Yes, queen! But Salt Lake City is progressive, and it's like a safe place for queer people to live. Yeah, why are we saying queer instead of gay? Is that different? Well, I didn't want to... It's an umbrella term. Yeah, because I think of trans people, I think of gay, and I feel like sometimes people...

I like thinking of... They're gay girls, but people sometimes only think of gay men. And I like to... I don't know. I like to include everybody. I'll include somebody. So queer is a broader term. And I call myself queer. Yeah, the umbrella term for... It might be les, gay, whatever. Bye. Shout out to Oscar. I feel like sometimes people look too much at sexuality as black and white. It's either this or that. You're either this or you're not. And I feel like there's... Some gray areas. Keep your mic off, Oscar. You can be like...

- 60/40, 80/20, 100/0. - Paying attention, Jeff? - Yeah, you can. - But there's fluidity in it. - Yeah. - And I feel like we should hold space for everybody. - I'm a hunter. - I really don't, bro. - There needs to be a class. - There really needs to be a class. - Well, I always tell people, 'cause I sat down with a friend and she was trying to understand because her kid is now queer.

And I said, think about it like this. When you're in real estate, you say, oh, I'm in real estate. That's queer. That's the umbrella. And then you say, oh, what kind of real estate? And you say, oh, commercial. Commercial. You say, you know, residential. You say, you know, blah, blah. Those are all like buy and da, da, da, blah, blah. So if you want to be safe and you don't want to offend someone, you say, oh, well, he's queer too. Like, welcome to the community. Huh.

- Huh, okay. - Which is interesting 'cause older-- - Like, realistic. - I don't use that word very often, queer. - Well, 'cause you mostly are talking to like-- - 'Cause you're over 45. - Yeah, younger people, I think, have embraced a term that was used as derogatory. 'Cause when I've said queer around people from a generation before me, they'll be like, "That's offensive," I thought. I was like, "Oh."

And I was like, no, I think it's like an umbrella term. And people feel like they don't have to fit into a box and have time to figure themselves out. And I feel like I'm in a time where I'm still figuring myself out. I take my time with everything. I do mean it in a derogatory way. Don't say it. Don't say it. Stick to the case.

Oh my goodness. That Mormon religion would not work for me. Or any chumps. Any chumps at all. Any chumps. Oh my God. There's a lot of rules, David. And the caffeine. Yeah, that's why I'm pretty, like, I'm still getting the hang of coffee. So you couldn't drink coffee? No. Is that on the list? Oh yeah, you're right. I had coffee yesterday as well, but it was just one cup.

glass cup. Do you feel guilty drinking coffee? No, I don't. I don't feel guilty. No, about anything really anymore. But it's it makes me like what's happening in my heart right now. I'm like, I have to breathe through it because it's it gives me too much. And when was the first time you had a coffee? I think it was 2023. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wait, was it 2022? Are you talking? I'm sorry. Three years ago. Yeah. Yeah. But you were 31.

Yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, 31. I put coffee in my baby bottle. Here's a list of things that Mormons can't do. Can't do. No sex before marriage. I saw that on Mormon Wives. No alcohol or drugs. They're doing that on Mormon Wives. No dishonesty. Definitely on Hulu. You have to donate 10% of your income to charity. Those bitches ain't doing it. That's not going to work. Do not view, oh, you can't view pornography. Yep, yep. I'm out.

Do not engage in same-sex relationships. Now you're out. You've been out since step one. You have to dedicate Sundays to the Lord. You attend church and worship. Oh, my gosh. No foul language. No cigarettes at Craig's. No coffee, no tea or tobacco. No abortion and no gambling. Yeah. What is left? You need to send that to me. Breathing. When people ask me what it is, you can go bowling.

You can go roller skating. Okay, okay. You can go hiking. Okay. You can go swimming. They have all these Mormon terms. That is not, that is like a go around of the rules that some people are delusional and tell themselves is okay. What? But definitely you would get in trouble if a Mormon leader found out about it. Found out about what? Soaking. What's that? What do you mean soaking? Do you know what soaking is? I do not. I'm about to school you on this. I love it. I dated a Mormon. Oh.

Oh, you did? I dated an active Mormon. An active Mormon? An active Mormon. No, he's an ex-Mormon. No, he's still in there. So what the Mormons do is to get around the sex thing, they think that if you just sit on top of one another and you put it in there and you don't thrust it, they call it soaking.

and that it's not sex. So a lot of the girls in the Mormon community, that's how they get around the sex thing. And then there's another thing where they have somebody jump up and down on the bed while you're soaking. That way you're not doing it. That way you're not doing it. So you're having a three-way too. It's like the craziest thing. Have you done the soaking? No, no, absolutely. And I feel like this is a very small percentage. I don't know. I don't know.

How could you stop it soaking? None of my friends ever did that. How did you just stop at that? I'm saying. Or they weren't honest about it. They moved around. No. I think I was... No. This was another group of Mormons, probably. Yeah, these were like... It's like a TikTok thing. It's crazy. I almost feel like it was more rumors than anything else. I know people did it, but it was a small group of... I think it's a small group, but...

No one I knew ever did that. Heather Gay Soaked. She soaked? All the time. She's soaking right now. I love Heather. Heather, she's sweet. I've been reading her book. She's a good time girl. She's released two books now. When you say good time girl, what do you mean specifically? A lot of soaking? That was her book.

Oh, Good Time Girl. That's the name of the book. That's the name of her book. It was a storyline on the show where Lisa said she was a good time girl. Oh, okay. She was taking it back and now it's her book? Heather and I both have something in common. Aside from being Mormons, we both were Mormon missionaries. Damn. You did the two years? You went to Europe and I went to South America. Yeah, two years. Chile? She served 18 months. Is that where you went? Chile. Yeah, yeah. And you saw those Chilean men and you never thought, God damn.

I'm going to soak. No, I did and that's when I came out. Oh, you went on your mission. The first time.

I was around two beautiful men. She labeled that to you. Yeah. And that's what I heard. Yeah. I'm actually right. I've been writing a book, a memoir and talking about the whole experience. And I talk about that. That night with that red wine. But you're, you're Latin, right? There's no wine as a Mormon missionary or there's not supposed to bite it. No. The first person I told was my mission president. It's going to have trouble selling that. That's who I came out to. Wait, you told your mission president. Yeah. Weren't you afraid that he was going to tell the church?

He was the church for me. Like, that was my leader. Wow, that's bold. But, yeah, he was really cool. That's awesome. Really cool about it. Do you still talk to him? I do. Yeah, I love him. Wow.

Wait, this was after Idol you went on a mission? Yeah. Yeah, I was super Mormon. What did you do with the car? Did you put it in storage? Well, my family was using it, but then my dad took it and apparently got in a car accident in it as well. Do you have a salvage title? I probably do. I don't know, but he went and fixed it. I was like...

I'm like, how did you get in an accident? I was like, I drive pretty crazy and I never got in an accident. David, I just want to explain, Jeff's not making fun of you. He just becomes hyper fixated on things. I do. That's okay. He's genuinely interested in all these details. That's okay. Yeah, and I'm going to want to see the car after. Oh, I mean, I drove with my publicist. You're going to bring that car next time. You are going to bring that car. My dad's name is Jeff too, actually. Yeah, I'm probably your dad's age.

Is your dad a senior? I doubt it. Does your dad have hemorrhoids? No. Don't tell David I have hemorrhoids. That's rude. David knows. It's a Melissa thing. Oh my gosh. You're an asshole, Justin. No, you are.

How do you guys know each other? Justin and I? I don't know. Oh, he used to get in a fight with my ex-boss for years, and he would send orchids to the house when I worked there. So that's how I kind of eventually met him. Oh, wow. I would get all these, oh, I'm so sorry, Jeff Lewis orchids. Oh, my gosh. And I'd be like, who the fuck is Jeff Lewis? You would send orchids? Oh, yeah, that's my thing. Wow. Like, eventually you'll get an orchid from me when I have to apologize. Oh, how sweet. Yeah. Well, hopefully you don't have too much to apologize for. Well. But.

Okay, coffee. Does it make anyone else sweat profusely? No. No? That's when I can tell it's hitting me. I'm like starting to feel it. And I'm so sorry. You're sitting right next to me and I'm going to start sweating like crazy. David, you're pretty jacked. What's happening here with the fitness routine? I just try to go every day. What gym do you go to in case anybody wants to meet you? I go to...

It's okay. Just going around. You know, a few different ones. In West Hollywood? Change your, sometimes. No, David. David, no. You go to Equinox, don't you? That's not very Cromberley. I'm not David Archuleta, though. Very Cromberley. I'm not David Archuleta. I have like, what's wrong with West Hollywood gyms?

Nothing's wrong with them. I just want to have to pay to see you. You know what I mean? If I go to like, it's too accessible. You're going to be disappointed then. Come on, tell me you're at like some $36 a month. You're at Crunch Fitness? Yes! Come on, David! You know they had to close the saunas. At Crunch Fitness. In West Hollywood? Yeah, Crunch. Oh, I didn't know they had saunas there. Is that where you're working out, David? David? Crunch? No, that's not one of my memberships. Okay, good.

I do pay for a few different ones. I have like Planet Fitness so that I can, no matter where I am, I can go. That's like an important thing for me. It's a global brand. Oh, never mind. That's one of our sponsors. I love Planet Fitness. No, it's so reasonable. Use code Jeff for 10% off at $4.

What I like about Planet Fitness is, you know, anyone can go. You just kind of mind your own business. No one's really looking at you. I do like it. I do like it. It's great. And you can go anywhere. You can go to Nebraska. I've gone to Canada. Oh, it's fantastic. And everyone looks like they're on parole. I really like it. On parole? Oh, that's hot, actually. Yes. I bet Michael Beck would like Planet Fitness. Michael Beck would live at Planet Fitness. Yeah. So I have a few different ones so that no matter where I am, I can go. And I keep, like, a backpack.

Which is probably a bad idea because I've had my backpack stolen twice now. What's in the backpack, David? My gym clothes. Unfortunately. Protein powder. Yeah. No, unfortunately the last time that it got stolen, it had my passport.

You can't walk around with that. And my car key. And takes my passport to the gym. Why is your passport at Planet Fitness? It's not actually at a fitness. No, I was actually at a 24-hour fitness. And it was Thanksgiving, the night before Thanksgiving. I had a long day at the studio, and I was like, I'm still going to go to the gym. And the only place that was open the night before Thanksgiving was 24 hours. So I went there in K-Town area. It was like...

close to there and I go and there's this shifty eyed guy there and I was like why are you looking at me is he checking me out like I don't know why and I'm pretty sure like and I go to my locker and my locker was broken into that very much what happened to you Jeff someone is eyeing you down and you're like oh he's obviously wants to have sex with me and then he's gonna steal your bag you're right

You're right. The fact that you have two kidneys in 2025, the fact that you didn't wake up in a bath of ice by now. They don't want my organs. It's crazy. You must have some pretty...

interesting stories to tell. - Why would you say that, David? Because I'm old? - Because he's saying that he can't believe you have two kidneys. - You've been around the block. - Yeah, you've been around the block. - So I'm like, what have you been through? He knows something that-- - Come on! - He knows some stories. - It is amazing I have all of my organs. - Wow! - That we know of. - Yeah. - And by the way, that's a book I wanna do. I wanna do a coffee table book

Of Jetson Huggins. No, no. About all the gay mishaps. About all the dangerous places and things that people have been through. Because I think when people were hooking up back in the day off of Craigslist and off of Bagpage, there must be some crazy shit. You don't even have to go back in time. Just talk to Zach Nellie Towers. Everything is current. Is it wild? Who's the actor that said his now husband, he found, like they walked past each other on a college campus and then one of them put

Craigslist, and I saw it. Coleman Domingo. Oh my gosh. And they've been together ever since. That was such a beautiful story. I got a little, I got teary-eyed on that. It's a pretty amazing story, but you heard it on, you cried at that too? Yeah, Instagram, Instagram. I, yeah, I get teary-eyed. Jennifer Hudson makes me cry, and, you know, love stories. And Fort Escape. Love stories. Yeah.

Fort Escapes, well, when it gets, well, I wanted to cry when my Fort Escape got broken into. That was the first time my backpack got stolen. What? First an accident and then it got broken into? It got broken. Okay, so someone took my backpack the first time. I went, my friends, we all had like a celebration. We had released a song that we wrote together and then they invited me to go see a,

What is it? Twister? Twisters? Yeah, the movie with the tornadoes. I don't know if the name of the movie is important. And they're like, we're going to go see it in 4D. They're like, you should. I'm like, you know what? Why not? I'll go. I'll just go. So it was like a spontaneous thing. I couldn't take my backpack in, so I just left it in the car. And I come back and it was broken into and the security guard was just like, oh yeah, that's your car? Yeah. Damn. Sorry. David, let me ask you this. If you were invited to a video...

very nice dressy holiday party the backpack is going and you have your backpack with you are you wearing the backpack into the party or are you putting it in the trunk or underneath the seat um well i've learned i've learned better now that i like my back if i'm not going straight to the gym with my backpack i now carry a little like um like a don't say fanny pack

Yeah, a fag bag. Yeah. You can wear the crossbody bag. Yeah, yeah. So you'd wear that to the holiday party? I probably would just take my wallet and keep it in my pocket. So you would not wear the backpack into the holiday party? Only the gym? I don't know. Well, in my defense, David, I had my work computer in that backpack. This story's about me. No, you did not do it. No.

Oh, he sure did. No, I brought it with me because I can't afford to have my work computer stolen. He walked in with a backpack on at a holiday party. They must have a... 2024. Like a jacket closet. They had a room that they put it in. I don't leave... I went to dinner with friends last night. I brought it into the restaurant. I don't... I can't...

And by the way, this affects you. He's making your life easier, Jeff. He's so manipulative right now. So I can still do my job. If that computer goes missing, I'm screwed. Hold on, Jeff. It's called an iPhone? I can't work from my phone. I can't work from my phone. What is that?

I think you should put it in the trunk. You should put it in the trunk. No one is going to break into your car. Okay, I have a very old, I have a 2005, not to trump you, but I have a 2005 old car. Look at us. We're faithful to our cars. We are. But the thing is, I don't, in this world, I don't trust anything in that car. No, I'm not doing it.

You're working through the problem right now, and I'm so proud of you. Yeah, thank you. I've worked through it. Do you regret going on that mission? No. Seems like a waste of time. No, he found himself on that mission. For two years. I did. Two years of your life. I literally came to terms with my sexuality on my mission. Couldn't you have done that at home? I feel like there was... I probably would have stayed...

in the closet longer had I stayed home because there's a lot of pressure. You have a lot of expectations. People want you to be a lot of things and you don't want to let anyone down or disappoint them.

And so it was like my way of being able to have my own space. In that moment. And remarkably grounded. Let me say this. Do you have a connection with God? I consider myself agnostic now. Yeah. I feel like there's something, like a big part of me coming to terms with God

starting to like really, really come out publicly and like come to terms with myself and start dating men was like, I took it as a God moment. Yes. And that's what I was going to say. Because like I prayed and I, oops, I was like, God, like if you're really there, please change me. And I'm so tired of trying to be what I'm supposed to and failing. Cause I was like, I need to be straight. And I, what I understood was God,

finally like just answered clearly and said you need to stop asking me this because you're how you're supposed to be and he put you in a foreign country on a mission away from away from people who would not let you think or be and you could just find yourself and i feel like that happened to me as well and i'm sure really you had a god moment where like you were like i don't i'm waiting for it this didn't that moment didn't happen on my mission i only came to terms to i finally i

admit that I was like attracted to guys. Yeah, but somebody, something put you there in order for you to have that revelation. Have that moment because I feel like when life is so busy and you're trying to just be something for your audience and your fans and your family, sometimes you don't have a moment to slow down and say, maybe I can take a moment for myself because you don't want to let your fans and your people down. Yeah, David.

You were engaged three times to women. I was. Oh, no. You absolutely soaked. You did not give someone a ring without soaking first. You prostitution whore. You were engaged three times. Come on, tell us the truth. I was a good Mormon. The church leaders were very close.

Like I was very involved, even like, like had their eyes always watching me, even through like my dating, the engagements. There is no way in hell that I was going to do anything that was going to violate my temple covenants, which you always keep your garments on.

And garments, like, they cover your whole body. I know. That's why I love tank tops now. Yeah. So do we. It feels so good to have my arms out because I couldn't before.

I mean, I could, but like. We're not just talking Mormon. We're talking LDS. Yeah. What about. Like it's deep. Or a hundred day saints. I mean, we don't get specific or anything, but what about oral sex and those kind of things? Nothing. Nothing. I did not see porn until like a year and a half ago.

Hold on, first of all, wait, what did you Google? I know, I'm curious too. It just came up on my... There's a couple of people who are commenting... You sound like a 14-year-old who just got caught. On my Twitter. No, on X. And I was like, who are these people with check marks commenting on my stuff? And I would go, and they were like...

It was like full on porn stars. You're like, who's Trey Hunt XXX? Click that real quick. It was basically that. It was like, oh, this person's commenting on my stuff and they seem to be a big fan. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay, David. I've never seen this before. All right, David. Be honest. How deep did you go down the rabbit hole once you clicked once?

And I'm not saying this because we all went down the rabbit hole. Once we found it, we found it. I blew up three computers at one time. That's how much I found it. To be honest, I think suppressing it all my life, it didn't, it didn't, I think I was just used to having it switched off. It didn't affect you. Not at, not at first. I, I, I think it's just like you like allow your body to not really need it.

Or, I don't know, like, get turned on. I wouldn't say I was turned on by it the first time. Like, I've found things that do turn me on since. Like, recently. Oh, good. Like, in the last probably six to eight months. Anything to do with zaddies? Zaddies? Zaddies? Anything to do with zaddies at all? That's like a rich daddy. Yeah. Oh. A.K.A. Jeff. Okay, Jeff. You know, the first... You know, actually, I think I'm still... That's why it's like I'm still, like...

- Processing it as I go, 'cause I was at a bar and they were playing porn on the wall. And I was like, oh, usually it looks painful to me, but I was like, that actually looks nice. - They were actually in love. - No, it wasn't that they were in love. - David, it's painful. - It looked like they were enjoying it. - That wasn't porn, they were playing Bridgerton. God, you Mormons. - No, but they both, it was like both down.

daddies. Like they had beards. They both had beards. And I was like, that looks, that actually looks nice. That looked nice. Like, can we book David again? I didn't, I wouldn't say like I got an erection, but I would say like,

I would say that it looked nice. I was like, that's pleasing. That's pleasing. Not in an I'm so horny right now way, but it was pleasing. Nice. I like that. I like that. Damn. I liked it to look like it's enjoyable. I like it when it seems like someone's being taken care of.

And so when it's too hard, it just hurts my body to watch. So I think it's like, ugh. So I've had to look up maybe soft porn or something. Can you turn the air down, please? Yeah, I'm getting warm. We don't want him to. I am with the coffee, too. Here's a water. Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me of the water. This is amazing. By the way, the fact that we could sit here and have this conversation with you. Yeah, but that's not why he's here.

He's here to promote his single coming out. Am I saying too much right now? No. Let me know. You can feel free to step in, Ken. We went live. Jeff was like, don't worry. We're not going to talk about sex. We're not going to talk about you being gay. I love it. Here we are. By the way, Justin brought it up. I did not. I did not. No, I couldn't bring it up, but I'm happy we're having this conversation. This isn't E! News, Justin. Listen, I'm happy we're having this conversation because there are a lot of men in music who

who cannot be themselves, who have gotten too far down the rabbit hole and cannot be out and really live their true lives. It's a big thing in music. So I'm really happy that you are a young musician going the Troy Savant route and going the Vincent route and being really open and transparent because I love Vincent. I think the Mormon church should sponsor this show. I think so too.

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Great, we're going to play a game called Playlist Detective. Okay, wow. I'm feeling so wired by this coffee. I'm going to play a favorite song from someone in this room. Oh. And based off your first impressions of us, you're going to have to guess who chose that song. Okay. Okay. Thanks, Biden. I'm all out of faith.

This is how I feel. By the way, this is Annie. Yes. Oscar. Oscar, Jameson, Kian, myself, Justin, and Shane. You can point. Oh, it could be anybody. It could be anybody. This is someone in this room's favorite song. Not Ken, though. Ken's not playing. Ken's not playing. Um, shoot. Ken doesn't want to play. Who was it? Natalie Imbruglia, girl. I don't know. It's somebody who's emo. I was, I was.

Is it Jameson? You didn't even have to tell me. I feel like it was you were channeling. Yeah, Natalie. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

What a great song. And wasn't that song like never, was it like never released? No. It was never number one. I'm not surprised that's your favorite song. It was such a big song that never went number one on the charts. I don't know if it was like the Macaroni or something like that. Wait till I tell you about his playlist. We're going to talk about that later. Okay. Next song. Somebody fun, obviously. Is it you, Justin? Oh, yeah.

Somebody really fun. Shane? No. Someone over 45. Jeff? Why are you surprised? I didn't, I just, wow. That's a great song. He graduated high school in 84, so I gotta go with that. 88, asshole. That's such a good song. All right, next one. Keen?

Yeah, good guess. Is that Rocky? He tried to be too bro-y. He really tried to be bro-y on that one. Yeah, he sure did. That's such a good song. That's a great song, too. I don't think that's your favorite song. It's Rainy Man. All right, go ahead. Shane? No, but good guy. Annie? Yeah. Damn. You're so predictable.

You're gonna love this one. This next one. Oh! Justin? No. This, um, what is it? Something Ocean. What is it? Billy Ocean. Billy Ocean. Um, is it... Is it you, Oscar? Yeah.

Whoa! That's a good choice. I would have not thought of you. The songs in the 80s, they don't make them like they used to. I do love me the 80s. That is a good choice. Okay, so David has an album coming out this week. Oh, okay, well. They don't make them like they used to. All right, next one. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

What? Stalker. Oh, my God. Stalker Shane. Oh. The music video where they drive out to the lake in the Prius. So good. Oh, my God. All right, reel it in, Shane. Bro, you're getting fired today. This is embarrassing. Annie, please tell me this is embarrassing. It is a little embarrassing. It's cringy. I came in a little softer.

You said the same thing that I did. I told him I had a party when I was like eight to celebrate the finale. Oh, my God. Y'all are all doing this thing? But I stopped there. Thank you. Thank you, Annie. That's so cute, though. Jesus, Annie. That's really cute, y'all. All right. Here's the last one. Okay. Well, there's only one left, David. I know.

It's not Ken. I know. I feel like I've said Justin so many times. That's your favorite song. That songwriter wrote some other pretty amazing songs. I looked it up. I don't remember their names. He knows a lot of half facts. He'll start it, but he doesn't know how to finish it. It's a copy. That's the story of my life.

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