Dolores Catania & Paul Connell: Burner Phones & Divorce Dates
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When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

I mean, I'm doing charity right now. I think I've got that twice in one year. You're doing charity twice. What was the first one? You went to dinner with me. Do people want to be in your circle, buy your way into friendship with Jeff Lewis? I think people are trying to get out. When I first started coming here, I was like, Jeff Lewis. Jeff Lewis has issues. Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has issues. In today's episode, Dolores Catania and Paul Connell join the show from New York City. We talk about burner phones, traders and the housewives at sea.

I believe that Jameson is trying to sabotage my new relationship. It's about 48 hours old. And he sent me, he sends me notes like with questions and things, but then he's, you know, he's sweet and he means well, but he said, here's some important questions to ask your partner.

I'm like, OK, I don't know. Paul, I want you to listen to this closely because he's saying it's it's going to bring us closer and create connection. But I think it's how to lose how to lose a guy in 10 minutes. So this is what he wants me to seriously ask. Ty, this is how do you feel about the current state of our relationship?

Already? It's 48 hours. Too early. The current state is New York. Two days, at least two more days. What can we do together to strengthen our bond?

That's very deep right now. That's a good question. It's very deep. Yeah, after you've been together three and a half years, maybe we should talk like that. Oh, well, I can give you these notes when you're done, these questions. Send them over this way. Keep them that side. They're good. How loved and appreciated do I make you feel? That's very important. Yeah, so this is very advanced. Very advanced. You should text him that right now. Yeah.

It'll be 48 hours over. How can we support each other better? That's deep too. What activities do you enjoy doing with me? You could just reword that. I think if we reword this stuff, right? In my own words. But it's like you've hung out like six times. What could the answers possibly be?

Catch Jeff on Hinge coming soon. How do you see our future together? That's so bad. That could be the start of the end.

What are your dreams and goals for us as a couple? I mean, these are nice. I will never say any of this. Never. That would make sense because he is in Texas. So like, you know, set the expectations. That's reasonable. What's your favorite way for us to celebrate special occasions?

Okay, that's okay. Maybe it's the way he talks is the problem, right? Is there a way to rewrite these? Sounds like AI wrote it. Well, it's more like how to get to know your new partner and kind of understand expectations, that kind of thing. Okay, I get it. There's more. But that's like how to get to know is like, do you have siblings? What's your favorite food? What's your favorite color? Yeah.

I don't care how long you're with someone. I'm not going to ask this. Oh, please tell me. What do you think is our biggest strength as a couple? Who talks like this? Paul. Does anyone talk like this? I think I just said that last night. Yeah. No, you said the opposite. Try to figure out what our weaknesses are. And then how can we improve our communication?

I just feel like if Ty ever asked me... That's a really good question. Really? You think that's a good one? So is your communication good or bad? Well, it's nothing yet. Yeah, you're right. I don't know. It's bad. It's bad. There you go. It's because of me. I'm not a good texter or anything like that. I'm a one-word answer. I'm an emoji guy. Sometimes I don't... But you should understand... That person has to understand that because if you're forced to do something that you just aren't organically doing, then it's already like...

I kind of know the answer to this, Dolores. It's not personal. But I'm going to ask Paul. Okay. All right. So when you're dating someone long distance, what's nice about it is that you've got a week or two to do whatever the fuck you want. You can focus on your kid, on your work, or whatever. Yeah. So I tend to not follow up.

Because my feeling is I'm going to see you next Wednesday. Now, I know that's not realistic. You have to have some sort of communication in between. But I'm cool. See you next Wednesday. I'm cool with that. But obviously, when you're in a relationship, you have to nurture it and you have to continue to communicate. I'm going to see you next Tuesday. Yeah.

But are you that way? Like if Dolores is gone, like you were gone for quite some time when you did Traders. Like how long were you gone? I can't say, but a long time. Oh, okay. But you were weak, like weeks and weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you, I mean, how was it for you? Honestly, it was a little bit difficult at the start because I'm so used to being around her and talking to her and seeing her every day. And even if she leaves to do something, we're always in contact. But there was zero, like day one, no contact. No phone. Just give the phone. No, nothing. I have to give my phone. Wait, you didn't talk to her for weeks? No.

A week. No, so once a week I got the phone for 30 minutes. I see. But I had to call five people in that time. And it was supervised. It was supervised. It was a FaceTime and someone sitting next to me. In the shadow. Why would anyone sign up for that? They've got to pay you well. Best time of my life. Really? Yeah.

It's not the greatest pay. That's not what I wanted to hear. Really? Now, why is that best time of your life? Did you make really good friends? I made nice friends. Oh, you met someone. You met a dude. Let's add on that list. Tom Dendable. Let's add to that list. No wonder you were only calling him for one minute. Wow. Yeah. Jeff, thank you.

Something. Austin Robb. Interesting the way she just lit up. Best time of my life. Because it was like away from all the stuff that was going on here.

And it kind of released me from the fighting of the housewives. Yes. And then it was like everybody there was not they weren't they were playing a game. They weren't out to like kill your life. They were killing you. What are you talking about? That's the game. Yeah. But they weren't trying to take you down publicly. They weren't taking you down. Ruin your business. Ruin your relationship. Yeah. I get it. So. Oh, yeah. Wow. So it was peaceful. Yeah.

Okay. And then there was a lot of seclusion because when you're not filming, you have to be by yourself in a room. So what'd you do? What'd you do on that? I looked out the window and I looked at the green pasture and there was bunnies running around. I prayed a lot. That's the first two minutes. Then what? There was only four stations. I'm going back to Jeff's theory. Something's off here. Something is off. No, you couldn't be around anybody. I don't think that goes on there at those things at all.

What goes up? That people get together. Oh, people. No, you're not. You are secluded or you're playing the game. That's it. I bet people have hooked up. Oh, for sure. In that big castle? You think they wouldn't tell? No, there's a bodyguard outside your room the whole time. The entire time? 24 hours. Whoa. This is crazy. Yeah. But you had a good time, huh? It just doesn't sound like a good time to me.

At all. Unless we were making a lot of money. Unless we're making a lot of money. Then I can look at bunnies and pass this. It wasn't like... At least I know it was missed. You worked out.

You were missed. The phone calls at the end of the week were hard. You would get used to not seeing you and then it would be very hard to make that call and then know that I wouldn't talk to you a week from there. MJ said the same thing when she called Shams her baby once and then it was just so hard. She was like, I can take some time off. That was the hardest thing.

of the whole game for those calls, and then that's it. And then you're not allowed to talk to them, know what he's doing, no Instagram, no emails. That just doesn't work. I mean, it just doesn't work. It's not for everyone. No. No, no, Dorinda was here, and she was saying that even though she only lasted one episode, but she had got there very early. Like, do you get there, was it a week and a half before you even start shooting? No. Or playing the game? No, no, no. It was like...

Maybe two. Some people got there maybe earlier. You wouldn't know because you don't know who's there until you show up to the castle. I see. So it was like maybe I was there two days before I started playing the game. And they took my phone and they gave me a little burner phone. And it didn't make calls out. But I was allowed to watch a Netflix movies. So I watched Baby Reindeer. Oh, I've been living that. You have? Yeah, I got a little Baby Reindeer in my life. Oh, shit. Yeah. Anyway.

Yeah, that show hits home. You haven't had anything like that? Like stalkers or anything? Never. Never? I don't get dirty pictures. Like Paul gets a lot of dirty pictures. I'm sorry, Paul. I shouldn't have sent those. It was inappropriate. It's okay. I wasn't impressed. You just keep zooming in. You get dirty pictures from women?

Yeah. That's insanely disrespectful. It is. I know. If you guys were like off and on on the show and we split up and like a Brittany. What's the guy? Jared. I get it. But you guys have been clearly united throughout the entire show. Yeah. That's fucked up that women would send naked pictures to Paul and that Paul would respond. I know. Can you imagine? We know what he was doing while you were in Ireland. Who?

That's fucked up. Guys don't do that to you because I feel like you just cut it off right there. Well, I've never gotten anything obscene. Do you want to? I wonder why. I wonder why with like, I mean, you're good looking and you have a great body. No, I thank you. And you don't get any dicks? Never. Never once in eight years. I'm on the show eight years. I sent you a couple. Not from you. Do you ever say, what am I doing wrong?

No, I don't want that. Okay, I think what it is is people know that- Do you get them? Mm-hmm. A lot? Mm-hmm. Do you like getting them? Sorry, Jeff. Mm-hmm. But obviously that has to stop now. Of course. It's incredibly disrespectful. I wouldn't- After 48 hours, that's the cutoff. Oh, okay. So today. Today's the day. Today's the- How did you meet Ty? At a bar. Oh. In Dallas. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

So, you know, the 48 hours is going great. That's amazing. So, we're going to do something really romantic tonight. I'm going to go see Heart Eyes. Have you seen it? The slasher film? No, what is it? Oh, basically, I'll just read it. Oh, I did see it on, it's like a funny kind of scary movie. It's like a scream. You're going with Ty tonight? A masked maniac with glowing red eyes. I saw that. Returns every Valentine's Day to terrorize unsuspecting couples. Glowing love heart eyes. Yeah, Cupid with a kink. Yeah.

So I'm very excited. And you got me a nice theater with a bar and a reclining seat. Oh, it's one of the good ones. Oh, nice. Paul, what do you want to do tonight? You haven't talked about this? You want to see Hard Eyes on 34th? Yeah, we did.

She wanted to surprise me. I had a surprise and then he said he didn't like it. So she didn't do anything and that's a big surprise. It's no. You know what it is? There was this like... This was meant to be a surprise, by the way. You put the goggles on, virtual reality, and you go to a restaurant and it's supposed to be some like...

kind of experience with the food with the goggles on. Like it's a chef serving you, but it's really not. You're sitting there and the food's put in front of you and it looks like you're in this really cool place eating. Is that why you're doing that? Because you both are on a Zempik? Yeah. So you don't want to actually eat. I haven't eaten in four days. You don't want to eat. No, so I found...

Zepound is a form of manjuro. Okay. But it's not as strong. So I said, oh, this isn't working for me. I've gained some weight. So I said, oh, let me go back on the manjuro. The third day, I'm not doing too good. Really? I'm not eating a thing.

Nothing. But Zep Bound. Zep Bound, I had no, it did nothing for me. It didn't do anything for you. No. I need something that doesn't make me sick. It made me sick. That I can still drink and eat, but curbs my appetite, like just makes me stop sooner. Right? Well, that's what this does. So it's portion control. That's what he needs. But the problem is I'm an emotional eater, and I eat when I'm not hungry. Well, maybe now you'll be happier. So did I, but this won't let you. No.

You do not already feel sick. Your body's going to reject it. Yeah. But I still want to be able to enjoy a dinner when I want to enjoy it. You can. You won't. No, you can. You just got to watch what you can't put a lot of carbs in. You'll be puking in the bathroom if you eat too much. You'll puke. See, I don't want to. I hate that. I hate nausea. No. You can eat, but you just can't do a lot of carbs. That doesn't work for me. What about, what do they used to do?

The surgical. Gastro. Oh, the gastro. That's barbaric. They stopped doing that now. Oh, shit. But they do remove your stomach. There's not one doctor here that will do it? Oh, we can find someone. I can find it. What's wrong with you? Yeah, what's wrong with you? You look great. You're in shape. Just a little fluctuation. Because it's the new. Be careful you don't do the new relationship 15. Yeah. Well, we're getting there. Okay. In 48 hours? He's in better shape. He's not getting there. He's not getting there. I'm getting there. 48 hours?

Yeah, it's already started. It's been a long trip. I think it's the drinking. I do think when I get back home, I won't be drinking as much. You won't. I think it's the alcohol. When will you see him when you get back home? I see him next week, actually. Yeah. He flies out to L.A. next week. Then I go to Dallas the following week. So then just watch in between seeing him. I just can't eat. I'm going to have to go back to that chicken broth. Ugh.

Right, when I got my colonoscopy. Yeah, yeah. That's what you have to do. That's what you have to do. You have to cleanse. Now, Paul is an excellent gift giver. You have beautiful jewelry. What did you get for Valentine's Day? I didn't get to open it because I was on New York Live. You didn't open it? Before this, so I woke up to a bunch of Louis Vuitton bags. Oh my God. Best time of her life in Scotland. She didn't open her gifts. I don't know. Wow. What's going on here? So you had all those gifts and you didn't think to open them? No, I don't want to open them until later.

When I feel better. I'm a little bit tired today. I want to enjoy my gift opening. That's a big deal to me. Okay. I want to be dressed to go out, and I want to open my gifts while I'm dressed nicely. Okay. And you think you maybe be using these gifts tonight?

She could if she wants. Yeah. So you guys are going to a virtual restaurant. You're not actually going to eat. No, we're not now. He said no. Okay, good. I think that's a terrible idea too. Why? Like you're sitting in a parking lot with goggles. Just go to a nice place. It's for anorexics. I want to be anorexic. Okay, can you put that in the teaser next week, please? Look at him. I'm going to get in trouble. Don't do that. He has anxiety. Come on, Jameson.

No, I think that one's a no. I think we should just let that one be. What's happening with you and Frank? Frank's in Rwanda. He is. He's at one of his best friend's wedding, and so he comes back on Monday, so I'm going to pick him up from the airport then. Aw. Wow, that's like a 24-hour flight. He does a lot of traveling. What does he do for a living that he can take half the year off?

Well, he works for a company. They have unlimited vacation, and so he works very hard. What kind of company is that? Unlimited? Yeah. Well, yeah, but no, you know. Does he work for Sirius? Unlimited. Brogan's has that, too. What's that? I hate to break it to you. Most places have three weeks. That's kind of standard. You don't. And Jane? No. No? Okay. Well, I hate to break it to you, but most 28-year-olds don't make the kind of money you do. Fair enough. Mm-hmm.

So it's a trade-off. Yeah. It's a trade-off. Every day's a vacation with Jeff. It's just fun. He has a good life. My kids have good lives. Don't you think, Annie? Yeah. That's so great. What happened with you and Bryson last night? He took me to dinner. It was so fun.

Where'd you go? We went to Carne Marni. What's that? It's like a steakhouse down, I don't know where it was, but we walked. But it was good. It was so good. There was this steak and it was cured in gorgonzola cheese for 72 hours. It was amazing. Longer than Jeff's relationship.

That is so true. That is so true. No, you said, so you were working yesterday and you said to me, you weren't sure if you were going to go home and get cute or you were just going to go straight to meet Bryson. Yeah. Did you go home to get cute? I did not because my sorority sister texted me and was like, let's go hang out.

I was like, okay. What about your pink kimono that you had purchased? It's just in my bag. Can you wear it tonight? I could. I think you should. You guys want me to show it out tonight? Yeah. I think you should. She has a pink kimono that she really wanted to. Oh, I love that. Does it have fur on it? There's no fur, but it's very structured. It's kind of like a florally print and it has a big bow. That's beautiful. It's everything. I love that. You'll have to show me before I leave. Okay, I will. Let's take Kyle in New Jersey for Dolores, line three.

Hello. Hi. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Dolores. Hi, Paul. Hi, Shane. Hi, Kyle. Dolores, I just wanted to thank you. You sent me a video on Instagram the other day and it made my day. Oh, I love that. Thank you so, so much. You're welcome. And I wanted to know what it was like working with Tom Sandoval. It seems like everyone pretty much hated him.

It was funny. Like I would call home and I would like say, Paul, this guy, Tom Sandswell's like out there. And he's exactly what you would expect him to be. He is the Tom you see on TV.

- Vanderpump is the same Tom that was in the castle every day all day. - Nobody was really vibing with him until last week when he kind of started bringing it at the round table. - Like bringing my name up? - I'm kind of enjoying him at the moment watching him. - Paul gets a kick out of him. - Yeah, I do. - He's just like a, like it's just-- - He's polarizing, he really is. - Yeah, he really is, he is. - Linda in Texas, I'm sorry to do this to you guys.

Hi, Linda. Thank you. Hi, Trump Nation. What's up? Hi. Hi. I've got three. I've just got three quick points I want to bring up here. OK. First, Dolores, you at that church scene telling the traitors, you better murder me because I'm coming for you. What's the Tony Soprano we have been seeing?

That was literally, no pun intended, killer. Love that. That was guttural for me. I had had enough. Yes. So my question was, did you feel triggered to say that because Boston from Rob had left and now you felt yourself at that point as the strongest player? Yes.

No, I don't think I ever felt like the strongest player because I wasn't that familiar with the game. But I was strong in the sense like I did the challenges and things like that. But, you know, I just just had had enough of my friends getting murdered and then people lying to me and finding out they're a traitor. I just had enough. And it was already a long time being there.

I have two more questions. One, do you and Paul, have y'all set a permanent date on the calendar? That's one. And then the other one is Jeff, will you be doing more shows in Dallas now that you're booed up? Thank you.

Oh, boot up. I would imagine we'd be doing more shows in Dallas. Yes. In regards. So she wants to know. I mean, you guys are not even engaged, are you? So why would you set a date if you're not even engaged? We're permanent. And that's good for me. Yeah. That's enough. I also I've told you this before. I don't understand why people are just pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure. I don't give a shit if you get married or don't get married.

I don't care. You guys are happy together. That's exactly the way we look at it. You seem to live a great life. You both are happy.

I don't know what the pressure is. - No, we support each other, we get along, we do things together, and then we're happy with the way it is. - That's just how people are. You get engaged, you want to get married the next day. It's just how it is. - I think that it's, but the intentions are good. They're not busting my chops. They're not like, "Huh, you're not getting my." For them, that's what they would want from me. - Also, I think when you've been married before, both of you have been married before, it's different.

It's different. I don't know. A lot of people that I know that have been married, they don't really feel the need to be married again. A lot. What changes, really? I mean, some people think that, oh, well, financially maybe they're more protected, but you've got your own money. If it works out better for me financially, I probably want to do it soon. But you both are independent with your own assets, and I don't know. I don't see the...

The upside, really. I'm good. The upside to it is my date is set for my divorce, so to be finalized, which is next week. Really? Yeah. It's weird. What do you say to that? Oh, congratulations? I mean, what do you say? Yeah, congratulations. You know, a lot of people gave me a lot and him a lot about that, and he was just...

I don't care what people say, Jeff. Tell me the truth. Before I take a break, I did want to ask you about you. You had your Porsche stolen out. Yes. Right off of your driveway. With all my Bravo Con clothing in it. Yes. What? So did you replace the car? Did you? No, I just got a Mercedes. We replaced the car. She has a G-Wagon. Yeah.

- Oh, nice. - No, I just got a G Wagon. - No, but I didn't get another Porsche, I mean. - I see. - Yeah. - 'Cause that wouldn't look good. - Paul just got another Rolls-Royce. - Another one? - Do you have three now? - Yeah. - Yeah. Okay, nice. - Not like it's a secret. - You're a car guy, that's fine. - He loves his cars. - So do you like driving the G Wagon over the Porsche?

If her legs were longer? It's too big for me. Like you expect to see a tall Russian girl get out of this Mercedes G-Wagon. And then here I am. I got to jump down. My shins are always bruised. But your ass saves you, so that's why. It's just I had to learn how to get in and out of it. It was the cool car to have. But I enjoyed the Porsche better because it fit me better. I see.

Yeah, we've been looking for a company car for Shane over there. Do you want to complain about the work hours and your lack of vacation? When have I ever complained? But we've been looking at a company car, and I like that Porsche. I've been talking about it. I like that Porsche. I love the Porsche. I did. I liked it. It drove beautiful. It was like a luxury truck, and that's what I wanted because I don't like cars anymore. I don't want cars. Well, the thing is that...

Mauricio and Kyle didn't do me any favors because, you know, they bought their daughter that Macan. I saw that. So now Shane's like, well, Kyle's daughter got it. If Portia gets one, I should go on. Wait, you know who else? Antonia. Oh, thank you. Joe's daughter. She got one. Oh, thanks a lot. Yeah, she did. Gotta open up. I just want to fit in with all the girls. I mean, you could...

- Yeah, you could trade off and get five weeks vacation, get a different car. - All right. - No, he's a worker. - Needs him, yeah. - That's why we get along, well, do we get along well? We get along great because he's a worker. - I love that.

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What's happening with this Wives on the Waves? Because Shannon Bedore told me she was doing it. She's doing it with us. What's happening? It's me, Teresa, and Shannon Bedore. I'm going on my first cruise. I've never been on a cruise either. You've never? Oh my God, Jeff. I'm like shedding my pants. Because it's from New York City to Bermuda. Those are rough waters. I heard it's not. And sharky. Oh God. I'm a little bit of, I'm scared, but it's supposed to be fun.

It's gonna be like activities, meet and greets. It's gonna be a fun time. - Five thousand people on a boat, what could go wrong? - And you're only allowed to call Paul once a week? - No, Paul's coming. - You let him join this one? - I'm surprised. - And I'm looking forward to hanging out with Shannon. I've never got to spend time with her. - She's a lot of fun. - So fun. - I'm surprised that you didn't give him some bullshit like, oh, you can't go to this one. - No plus ones. - I can only call you once a week. But I've got 10 people to call in a half an hour, so we only have a minute.

No. This is the best cruise I've ever been on. Let me tell you, Paul should get paid when he comes places with me. He works as hard as me. I know. He really does. Well, people, they like him better, I think, to be honest. How does Ty feel about...

No, I'm happy for that. How does Ty feel about... He's not... Is he okay with this? How do you feel? I don't know about that because Paul is very friendly, very warm, very... He's very... Ty's shy. He's shy and quiet. So I don't know. I think the chumps are going to scare the shit out of him, to be honest with you. They might. It's going to be a little bit overwhelming at first for him. But Paul, you're kind of recently in this business...

And you were a little bit shy in the beginning, no? Yeah, yeah. So any advice for Ty? Run. Just run.

Just keep on running. We're doing a little bit of a soft launch here. So I don't follow him on Instagram because the chumps will find him. He doesn't follow me on Instagram because the chumps will find him. They've already found him. There's been a few chumps that have already found him. They will find him. I don't know how. You cannot hide from the chumps. You have diehard fans. I know. I know. They're on the ground. And he was at a mall of all places in Chicago.

- In 48 hours this happened? - No, this happened before. - Oh. - Yeah, so it's already started, but it's like a soft launch. - He might like it. You know, Paul loves it. He loves people. - He's very friendly. He's just shy. - He'll warm up to it. - He'll warm up to it. - He's gotta have a little bit of thick skin and get through it, 'cause some of them are just really nasty.

That's what I worry about. My first, his first event with me was at a sex store. Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. Did you get paid well for that or no? You just wanted to go? No, I didn't just want to go. I got paid okay for it. Okay. She got paid in vibrators. She nearly did actually. No,

And then there was like a sex dungeon downstairs when I went to go to the bathroom. And the lady was like, what did she do? She had a little feather duster. She was poking at you. You know what I need to make clear, which I have not, is when people DM and be like, Jeff just said this on the radio about you. And people will DM me.

or someone will call me or text me like why did you say this about me like you need to listen you need to listen because that's not what I said so a lot of things get like misreported I need to make that clear with him like you cannot believe anyone that was a very hard part for us in the beginning and I would say that's not what was said Paul that was what was wrote yes yeah so and he didn't believe

me at first. I actually didn't because I was like, how would somebody just mistrue that and write that like that? Yeah. But now I know from what they do, it's like, all right. So my, I'm Ty, I'm telling you, do not. He doesn't listen to the radio, I don't think. Maybe, but well, if he's listening, Ty, I'm going to tell you this right now. Don't. You could just tell him in person. Read. I'll tell him, don't read DMs. Don't go on social media. Just stay off it. Yeah, I agree. You're not missing nothing. If he gets thick pics, he has to delete them straight away.

- Yeah. - After he shows them to me, then he can delete them. - I showed them to Dolores, right? - Oh. - All the time. - You show them to Dolores. - If I open something, I'm like, here, just, 'cause I'm like that, I'm transparent. - He wants to be transparent. - I do not want-- - That's good, that's good. - How do they look? - I mean, yeah, okay. - All right, so tell me about the wives on the waves. - Wives on the waves.

um it's going to be a great cruise me Teresa Shannon Bedore we're going to do shows we're going to mingle with everybody dance have a good time and I just hope that it brings out people that wouldn't also normally go somewhere like that or go by themselves like I think it's going to be a close-knit group you can meet friends and a lot of couples are already signing up for it I have not

been out socially with Teresa. I've obviously run into her and we had nice conversations and all that. But what I will tell you, being out socially with you and Shannon Bedore, you were so lovely with the viewers. Yes. Like so nice, friendly, warm, happy to take pictures. We're very inclusive. Shannon is that way. I actually wanted Shannon to go to ChumpCon, but there's...

There's a discrepancy, a conflict because she's filming. Oh, okay. But she's great with crowds and chomps. I know. My first appearance was with her. Where? It was in...

She wasn't that nice to me. I like her now. That surprises me. I know. That really shocks me. I was my first, eight years ago? But she may not even remember. But typically when a new girl comes on the scene, you bring them, you include them in the conversations, you do all this. And I think she was at the time having some trouble, personal trouble. So probably guarded. Yeah. Probably a little guarded because of what was happening. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because she's had some rough seasons. She has. I mean. She has. She really has. But I like her. I spoke to her since and we're close. We're going to be away together. We're going to do this Wipes on the Waves together. She's fun too. You're going to have a good time. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis live every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis channel exclusively on the Sirius XM app.

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