Raven-Symoné & Miranda Pearman-Maday: Hyphens & Owls
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I've learned from my mistakes and that's what I want to teach people. Don't do what I have done. This show, I mean, you guys really start some shit. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an asshole. I just want people to do their jobs. Jeff Lewis has issues. Hey, it's Jeff Lewis and I have issues. In today's episode, Raven Simone and Miranda Pyramid Mayday join the show. We talk about multi-hyphenate names, parking, and the return of my owls.

I'm here with Raven Simone and Miranda Madej, as well as Shane Douglas Perlman Madej. Thank you. My proper name. I'm going to come for you automatically. I was going to say, I'm going to come for you too. It's Mayday and Pierman.

I just... I think after the first hyphen, you got to stop. No, not at all. I'm going to keep hyphenating until the days. Raven is hyphen obsessed. I just wanted to stay Miranda Mayday, and I was like, you can take my last name. We don't have to do Pierman. But then she was like, no, I want to keep Pierman. And the world doesn't know that that is Raven's last name. I was not born Pierman Mayday. The world thinks I'm a Pierman Mayday. I was just Miranda Mayday. And now...

I am. Miranda, pyramid mayday. So if that's what you wanted, why did you do that to make her happy? Yeah, because I feel like 50-50. 50-50. And then you in turn got that seven-carat diamond. Period. Correct. Compromise. That can be the narrative we go with today, but that's fine, yes. So I was here around, I think, 8.30 for the pre-interview, and Miranda and I spoke for 30 minutes. I know nothing about Ravens.

Absolutely nothing. But what I do know is I know all about hair care. I know about skin care. Yeah. I know about bags. Rings. Rings. You're my new best friend. I love it. Sorry, Raine. You guys spoke a language I didn't understand and I loved it for her. Because, you know, in this industry, a lot of people just kind of look over the spouse. And I appreciate you validating her and her space and who she is as a person. And it made me very happy to see. Well, I...

Well, I mean, who knew we bonded over Dr. Groot? Who knew? Yeah, we both use it. How did that come up? Because, oh, I had mentioned all the live reads I was doing today. And I said, Dr. Groot. And you said, I've been using Dr. Groot. And then I spoke to you about all these great experiences I've been having with it. Yeah, because I'm losing my hair. Why do you think you're losing? Well, first of all, it doesn't look like you're losing hair. But why do you think you're losing it?

Well, I think honestly it's female pattern baldness. Yeah. Is that a thing? It is a thing. It's a thing. And I think that for the longest time I thought it was maybe diet or nutrition based or stress, but I did all the testing, all the things. And then my little sister started to have the same issue. And I was like, okay, this is genetic. This

You're so young. Or you just look young. She is young. I'm 37. You look great. Thanks. It's all the creams and lotions. Oh, really? Yeah. And do you use all the creams and lotions as well? I use absolutely not a fucking thing. Are you serious? I barely wash my face twice a week. But who did your makeup today? Because it looks good. Thank you, bitch. I have no makeup on. What? I'm black. You're black? Okay.

She just got a little bit of a tan while we were in Vegas. Wait, are you serious? You have no makeup on? Not a stitch. I stopped wearing makeup when I woke up at COVID and said, I'm done. I'm done with this shit. I thought you... Well, you've got great skin. Thank you. Thank you so much. My grandmother had flawless skin, too. She used...

I love Olay and Dove, but I woke up one day. I remember I used to live with a whole bunch of guys and they didn't do anything. They had great skin. They had great hair. And I was just like, I'm going to stop. I used everything from Proactiv to not Adderall. What's the Accutane? And as soon as I stopped using Adderall, well, as soon as I stopped using everything, my skin just got better.

Now, do you have any sort of lip tint on or anything like that? No, this is natural. That's insane. She's so joe. So do you not drink? I did. Not anymore. That's why you probably look so good. Well, I'm black. When did you stop drinking? I stopped drinking when I stopped drinking.

I mean, you still have... No, when did I stop drinking? Probably five years. Yeah. At least. I have like a glass of wine that's expensive every now and then. Yeah. But I used to down seven Jagermeisters. But you know what? Even 20...

Oh. Fireball. I've been in Hollywood for a while. It does things to you, you know what I mean? Even in 2015, though, when we first met, you weren't really drinking and drinking. I've never seen you. You drank like at your 30th birthday. I was drunk AF at my 30th birthday. I know. It was atrocious. But isn't everybody drunk AF at their 30th birthday? I will be. I will be. I'm gearing up right now. Where did you meet?

We met at a karaoke night in West Hollywood in 2015. The dream. Raven was hosting and a drag karaoke show of all things. Really? Where was it? It's no longer what it was. It was 11 back then.

But now I don't know what it's called. It's just not. It was then Flaming Saddles. And now it's been sitting empty since COVID. Exactly. Exactly. I lost my Blackberry Pearl at 11. That's how I remember. Not the Pearl. Not the Pearl. Oh, my God. But yeah, we met there and we ended up talking and she invited me to a house party because she was moving to New York City to go do The View. And she was like, I'm

I'm having this massive rager come. And I said, well, if I'm coming, I need to have a one-on-one date with you before I just come to your house party. I need to get to know you a little bit. Because I felt like we connected. She wasn't wearing a bag then, though. It was like no bag. Yeah, you got duped. We're going to talk about this. I catfished her. I actually did have a bag. I remember exactly. What bag was it? It was my little, I had a little Prada sat. Like a little...

Tink, tink, tink, tink. A little tink, tink. A little tink, tink. So since then though, Miranda is, she's now building her jewelry collection, her bag collection. Yeah. Which is smart. But you didn't realize. You thought, oh, this is a, this beautiful, unmaterialistic woman. Yeah.

And now I thought I was the one because I'm like the Gucci. I'm like, I get, I buy the clothes. I stopped my bag air and my shoe air when I kind of went into my masculine phase and I stopped buying. I had every YSL you could possibly imagine. And so when she did, I'm like, well,

All right. You had every Christian Louis Vuitton. Oh. Did you guys watch that? That's an inside joke because that's what Gypsy Rose called Christian Louboutins. She merges the two. Christian Louboutins. Christian Louis Vuittons, yeah. I was telling you, you said that you've done a lot of PRP. I mean, I jump around. I have severe ADD. I love it. So you did a lot of PRP treatments for your hair. Yeah, like 10. Yeah, but what you were missing, which we've figured that out during the pre-interview, is that you're not doing the stem cells. Right.

You've got to add the stem cells. Have you done the stem cells on your face? Not yet. Because I really want to do that. But I'm scared. I want to do the salmon. Why are you laughing, Kim? I would. Why are you laughing? I want to do the salmon sperm. Wow. Yeah, there's a few people. What? What? What?

There's a few people that have been on the show that have done the salmon sperm. And do they look amazing? They swear by it. They swear by it. I just am worried because it's supposed to be so painful. It's called Regeron. Yeah. And I mean, the people like I know somebody, we have a friend who has an extremely high pain tolerance, has had many surgeries. And she was like, that shit was brutal. Like, why is it so painful? Like, it's just an injection. Like, it doesn't look any more invasive than like Botox.

Botox or filler or whatever, but apparently it is. It is. I heard sperm can be painful at times. Yeah. I initially had started the PRP without any numbing and that was not, that was not good. Why did you choose that?

Well, I didn't think it was going to be that painful. Okay. And then we had to put a stop to it. And then now he's laughing gas. Oh, wow. And what? And Xanax. And Xanax. Well, that should be base. That should just start the day. So that's Tuesday. And then we move in. Exactly.

No, I'm sure people know who you are, Raven, but Simone. I thought it was Simone, and everyone did. Exactly. You sure you didn't change it at one point? I swear to God, I didn't change it. The accent has been over the E since the beginning of my career. But do you think just people just said Simone and you just went with it, and you didn't correct anybody? Well, this is true. This is what I was, this is from- So it's your fault? It is my fault. Well, actually, it's my parents' fault. You have to blame everything on your parents. Okay, yes. Because that's how you live an adult life. That's what my brothers do. Okay.

No, they just told me my name is Raven Simone, but they also explained what it meant and not to force anybody to say it the way that it was actually spelled. So then why do we care now? Because it was a trend and everything on TikTok matters. Oh, I see. If you put it on TikTok, it now becomes sanctified. And Jeff called me out yesterday saying I had the whole wrong thing, but your first name is Raven Simone. Correct. Right. Because I'm a hyphenate. Right. And my last name is Pyramid Made Day. Another hyphen.

Another hyphen. My initials are R-S period.

RSPM. P-M. Like, that shit looks fire on my phone. Yeah, that's how she put it in her ID in the phone so no one can now find her in their contacts because it's so many periods and hyphens. It's very confusing. Do you track each other's locations? Every day. Yeah. Oh, you do? Of course. I've never done that. Maybe I should have, though. Yeah. And I would have been out of the last relationship sooner. Period. Right. So do you track? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, we don't really do it, but I mean, yeah, I have it if I need it. Yeah, I'll track it. So I'm almost afraid to ask this, but if you were to have a kid, how's that name going to work out?

How many hyphens? Well, to be honest with you, just the other day we were talking about the pyramid and we were kind of saying maybe we go just down to the May Day. And if that was the world, then we would be one less name. And if we did have a kid, they would just have to have one. Maybe we'd cut the middle name. I'm all for a shorter name.

Come up for a long time. Let's come up with some more. Everyone knows you. I thought your last name was Simone. My entire name is Raven Simone Christina Pyramid Mayday. I should live in like Spain or something. I have such a Spanish name. Humor me for a second. So you have, let's say you have a son. Yes. And his name is Jameson. Jameson. Love it. What are we doing? Are we doing Jameson Simone Pyramid?

Pyramid Mayday. No, because the Simone is just part of her first name. So our Jameson would be like Jameson Charles. Jameson, middle name, and then last name Pyramid Mayday.

That's it. The Simone is- But that's four names. Yeah, that's four names. And that means you can choose with whatever gender you want to when you grow up and learn who you are. You can choose whatever name you want to from your whole entire- Raven-Symoné is like Mary Beth or Carrie Ann. Or Mary Kate. No, I understand that now, but I didn't know that. So we were first introduced to you when you-

were on the Cosby show, right? Weren't you like three years old or something? I was three years old. And then you were on another show called Hanging with Mr. Cooper. Was the Cosby show like, how many seasons did that go? Cosby show went a lot more seasons than I was on. I was only on it for the last three. Got it. And then you did the Cheetah Girls and then you were on Broadway and then you did, you co-hosted The View. Was that two seasons, two years? That was a blur. I had no idea. One year. One and a half. One and a half because I did a few before they signed me. Did you like New York?

I love New York. Me too. We christened New York all up and down. It was a beautiful, we lived in Chelsea. I love walking. I actually bought property up there during that time. I have some property, we have some property on the lake up in the Catskills. And I think it's gorgeous when you leave the city. Like when you really go see what New York State looks like, it's magical. So, but you came back to LA for work?

I came back to L.A. because I have a house, we have work, and, you know, L.A. is what it was back then. It's different now. It is different. You came back to L.A., though, after The View, to reboot That's So Raven. That's true, actually.

And she did Raven's Home. That's Raven's Home, which was six seasons. Six seasons. And now there is, from what I understand, you're working on a pilot. I already finished it. It did not get picked up. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. Shit happens. I directed my first pilot. That's why I will never take that off because it's huge for a director and I really appreciate the opportunity. Congrats. And then you also, do you still currently host Scrabble? No. No.

I love it. And I think that as an executive producer, as we move on to the next season, we're going to do some great changes to make sure that it... Really? So you're an EP on it? I'm an EP on it, yeah.

Wow. Okay. So you hosted it for a season. Yes. And now you're thinking of bringing it. Now I want to know who it is. And then do you film? Because I met with the game show. Is it the Game Show Network? No. We are at CW. Oh, that's pretty good. Because I had met with the Game Show Network and they said you go to Atlanta for like two months and you do like five or six shows a day. I went to London and we did six shows a day for three days for the first season. That's a lot of Red Bull, huh? No.

Mmm, honey, that was a lot of curry. Adderall. That was just pure adrenaline there, for sure. A lot of caffeine. So now you just bought a new home. We just bought a new home. Congrats. This is your first home that you bought. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. Thanks, guys. So is it brand new? Is it something you have to do work? Brand new. That's nice. You should come and see it. You should come.

I want to see it. I'm going to pull up a picture now. It would be really cool for you to see it, actually. But it's brand new. We're the first people to live in it. Our contractor is a guy named Shlomi. He's very talented. And the house is really beautiful. Before we even bought it, it had been published in like...

AD Italy. Are you serious? Yes, many times. You ain't got no service? There's no service. There's no service in this studio. Connect to the guest Wi-Fi. Oh, I see it though. It's coming up. Raven, they spent millions and millions of dollars. Oh, let me see that. Scroll. It really just has the most beautiful energy. It's so calming. You just feel like you're transported somewhere else. Oh my God. I love the landscaping. You did such a good job. The landscaping is really great. And then now I lost another, I mean, I didn't lose it, but

the Wi-Fi is weak. I want to look at it outside the studio. Congrats. Thank you. So you've owned homes before, so you're aware of all of the work involved. Correct.

I have a house I'm living in right now, which I actually really love, while I redo my new house. However, we've had an owl problem, and it has been going on for how long now, Jameson? Years? We have done so much to get rid of these owls. So what happened was, originally, the owls kill the crows. They eat the crows on my roof, and it's a flat roof. Then what they do is, one day they dropped one of the dead crows onto the ground. My dog ate it.

And then my dog got like very sick, had to go to the vet, had to do antibiotics. Okay. So now we've been trying to keep the owls away and Shane and I have gone to great lengths. Go ahead. I feel like that we've kept them at bay for like eight,

Eight months? Well, we thought so. How do you keep it an owl at bay? You just play Kendrick Lamar albums the whole time. That's all you have to do is just put Kendrick Lamar on repeat and no owls will show up. What will happen if I play Raven Simone? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing ever happens. They'll flop. Anyway.

Oh, thank you. It'll be like a bird, another bird. So first we bought fake snakes and we put them all over the roof, but then we realized owls like snakes. So that was attracting the owls. Then we got an owl that moves, turns its head and lights up. Yeah, we got little statues that kind of turn their heads and they just kind of made friends with them, I feel like. And then we got blinking lights and they just thought that was fun.

Oh my God. So what do you do? We think it's a gay owl because he really loves those flashing lights and the music. The lights and the statues. Give him some poppers and then he'll fall right out of the sky. That might be the trick. Yes, queen.

So we've had a few crows basically killed on the roof. And then recently, one was stuck in the rain gutter, so I had to pay the rain gutter company to come out. That cost me $600. That was, what, three months ago? Yeah, but they cleaned all the gutters, so it was a good deal. So then the roofer came over yesterday to do some minor maintenance. Sure enough...

reported another dead crow on the roof. So now he's going today and while he's working on the roof, he's going to remove the dead crow. But I told Shane last night, I finally fucking had it. We've got to figure this out. Yeah, you do. We have to get rid of these owls. How does one do that? I don't know. I don't know. I need an owl expert. Google didn't tell you?

Google says the lights and the statues and the snakes. I feel like we've done all of the low lift stuff. I feel like it's time for something. I don't know what to do. You need an owl expert. Do you just embrace it, though? Sometimes when you embrace the problem, it goes away. Let's make an owl sanctuary. You know what I mean? Just let them have it. The Jeff Lewis owl sanctuary. I like it. I'm just worried another crow is going to fall on the ground and my dog is going to eat it. That's crazy. That's the only. I mean, I literally woke up last night.

a nightmare worried about that again. So we just, I've got to, I don't know if there's any Al experts. What if you cut the tree down? No, there's no tree. They're going on the roof. That's where they eat them. They kill them and then they bring them to my roof. Not anyone else's roof, my roof. And then what happened today, by the way, also, when you talk about home ownership. Oh, someone was parked in front of your driveway. Just fucking blocked my gate. I hate it when people park in front of the gate. I came home one time at our old place. It was two o'clock in the morning and this bitch.

This bitch was in front of my gate. I called the cops. They didn't come because we were in a hood at the time. I literally stood out there and I was honking the horn. I called the next door neighbors. I was about to lift that car, my wife. You were so much calmer than you were telling. I was the one who was just... You're triggered. Me too. I'm triggered now. I was calm then because I had to be. I was literally trying to...

move the car myself. She wrote a letter and everything? I did. And then thank goodness there was like, this is weird, I shouldn't have said thank goodness, but kind of, thank goodness there was like a domestic dispute up the street and the cop came. And I was like, knock, knock, I have a problem. I need to get out of the car.

You're right now. And they got a tow truck. But I had to stay calm in that moment because if I didn't, I couldn't do anything. So why get antsy? We literally could not get inside our house. Oh my God. It was horrible. It's disrespectful. That's what it is. It's a black Range Rover. I've never seen it before. What's the license plate? Call them out. I don't know whose it is. I mean, I'm telling you, half my driveway. Literally. And my gate is blocked. So I had to pull my car out of the gate, then turn right, drive over the sidewalk, and

And luckily it's SUV. But then I ran over my neighbor's lawn and now I'm worried I broke her sprinkler. Well, that black, I mean that black Range Rover has to pay for it. You know what that is? That's a key. That's a key to the side of the car. I thought about it, but that's just bad karma. I'll do it for you. Really? Carrie Underwood would too. I wish, I was this morning, I'm like, I wish I had a shitty car so I could just hit it. Buy it and then give it away. Just do it. Buy like,

Oh, you know what? I regret not buying your old car. I was driving a 2005 Hyundai Elantra until last month. I got a new Prius. You should have let him lose. He sold it for $500. For $500, you could... Why did I not buy it? It was a trade-in. By the way, this man has raked me over the coals for this car. I would have never given it to you, just to spite you. Hilarious.

But I could use it to run into other cars. You could have. Yes. I thought about that once. I was tandemed, but someone locked me in. And I thought, I should just back into this car. I don't give a shit about my car. I should just blow this car through like Kathy Bates in Fried Green Tomatoes. But I didn't. You could just drive right through that crossing guard thing. I don't give a shit. Fuck it. Yeah. Baseball bat. There used to be this story about Clint Eastwood. And-

I knew this because my dad worked at Warner Brothers, and this could be lore or fact. I'm not sure. But apparently somebody blocked Clint Eastwood in, and one day Clint Eastwood came out of his bungalow just swinging a bat, and he walked right up to the car that was blocking him and just bashed.

- Mirror, mirror, and then just walk away. - See, you can do that when you're Clint Eastwood or Raven-Simone. But Jeff Lewis cannot do that. - If you did that, I think you could do it, Jeff. - I'd be arrested. And they'd sue me. - Raven would get arrested. Oh, well, I'm black.

I couldn't say that part. But I set you up for it. Going back to Owl's question, do you think it has to do with the, he has like a patio on the roof. Do you think it's the flat roof that's an issue? They love the deck. It has a view of the Hollywood sign. They want to hang out up there. It's so nice up there with that rooftop deck. I don't blame them. If you had like a pitched roof. There's a TV up there.

Besides the amenities. Do you think it's the flat nature of the roof? I think it has something to do with it. I think that's why they've called my home their home. Raven Simone, let me ask you this. So I can't, in my new house, the HPOZ of Hancock Park will not let me put gates in. And now I'm worried about

people just going right up to my front door. Owls. Owls, exactly. I thought about, now I looked into private security, but it's a joke. It's ridiculous. Stupid. It is. What if I bought an old police car for like 500 bucks? Yep. Parked it outside. Parked it outside.

And put a dummy. We could do tinted windows and put like a dummy in there. A mannequin. A mannequin. HBOZ is no joke. Do you remember when Ellen and Portia bought their house in Hancock Park? I do. I grew up in Hancock Park. Oh, you did? Yes. What street? Norton. And that whole...

The gate and then the trees, the landscaping, they got a lot of shit for it. I think it's kind of why they were like, bye, that corner house. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, I know exactly which house. They spent probably a million dollars landscaping that front yard. Easy, yeah. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. But that wall's short. I know, but they had a lot of issues. There was, I think it was the gate into the driveway. Yeah.

They were mad about. HBOZ. HBOZ is. It's no joke. No joke. But I will say, like, when I drive through my neighborhood, the current neighborhood I'm living in, everything is gated. Everything is hedged. You can't even see the houses. It's kind of nice going through Hancock Park and actually being able to see the houses. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I love that. But as long as everyone else's house we can see. But mine. Private. I don't want to see.

I need a wall and a gate. Or the cop car and like an AI video playing in the cop car of a cop like always just going like this and then going down. You could like project something hilarious. Like constant Halloween sounds. You know what we should do? I should take Raven over to my house.

I'll take a baseball bat to the Range Rover. We'll call the police. I'll say she did it. And they'll just arrest her. This is very dangerous, Jeff. And I'll just be the white wife with her diamonds in her bag saying, I don't know what happened. You guys, this plan, I don't know how I feel about it. We put up an insane gate, Jeff. Oh, Jeff. When we bought our house, it did not have a gate. And we were like, we need this. We securityed everything.

the shit out of our house. But the gate is wild. It looks like, I say we look like we now live in a shark conservatory. Because the spikes that Raven wanted on our gate are so sharp. That's what I worry about cats, neighborhood cats. I've been wanting to do the spikes, but I never could do it. We've done it. I don't care. I've had no cats so far. I just don't want to wake up at 2 a.m. and have to remove a cat from a spike. But let me tell you what did happen. The spike does not deter cats.

the crows in our neighborhood, the crows just sit on top of those sprikes like they own it. - Yep, they sure do. - It's like they have feet that just don't feel shit. - They're like rats with wings. - They are. - Literally. - Yeah. - Oh, Chris from Arizona thinks I have bad karma, line three. Hi Chris, you just figuring this out? - Yes.

No, no. And I have longtime fan shout out Shane. Like I don't call in, but I literally just had a conversation with a friend of mine who's from Kenya who told me she's moving into a new house. Owls are in the neighborhood and she is like, no, Chris, owls are bad, bad, bad, bad. She did a purification of her house with salt and

and also the gates of her neighborhood to try to get the owls to leave. And she is reporting that she doesn't hear any sounds of owls in the neighborhood, but she was very adamant that any owls, any crows, any black, the

The birds in the neighborhood. I'm offended. I'm offended. No, and that is not true. I don't know what I'm saying here. But however, I was like, owls, really? And she was adamant with me. So it's salt? We need to put salt. We need a clear. Salt for purification. Wait, are you saying my karma, my bad karma is what's drawing the owls?

She's totally gaslighting you.

If you need a clearing, I do clearings. I shout out Jane and you didn't even shout out. Shout out Chris. Okay, well Chris, if it is true that owls are attracted to bad karma, wouldn't I have more owls than one? I don't think that's true at all. I think owls are actually really kind of sacred and special. I think the fact that you have owls flocking to you or your flat roof just...

mean that you know they're wise they're wise but they're also connected to secret societies and the crows are actually if they're eating the crows that means death is not a not something that's imminent in your life because crows actually circle for that represent that and so do ravens obviously but crows are the wisest one as well if she's talking about a clearing and you need it in the spiritual fashion then that's more fire and like sage and copal instead of um

like assaults unless you put the salt around your perimeter and prevent them from coming in. I don't know. You are so articulate that you could be totally bullshitting me right now and I am buying everything you're selling. The way that you say it. I am. Right? Do you believe it? I'm a baby witch. I'm invested. I'm a baby witch. We'll talk about it later. I think that was right.

But you know what? Now that you know what? I'm taking another look at this. I'm reframing because maybe that owl is protecting us against those nasty, dirty crows. Yes. There's a lot of crows. There's a lot of things going on in the world right now. A lot of like what? A lot of deaths. A lot of weird. I don't. Don't trust me. Don't do it. I mean, that's interesting. I'll look it up for you. Also, think of the owls in Harry Potter. They're like very special.

- Are they? - Yeah. - I don't remember. Let me ask that nerd over there. - They carry little notes around. - Are they? - You don't want to bring up nerdy stuff around Jeff. He'll make fun of you for sure. - Do you see the connection in the Harry Potter owls? - No, 'cause Harry Potter is science fiction and this is real life. There's a difference. - Is there? - Really? You who goes to Disneyland every weekend. - Oh, you're a Disney adult? - He is. - Oh man. - I apologize. - I'm sorry for that. - We're judging you.

What do you think of Disney adults, Raven? Because, you know, you worked with Disney for, you know, a little bit of time. Disney adults are an interesting subculture. You literally...

- You literally are a Disney adult. - No, no, no, I'm not. I'm literally not. - But you literally are a Disney. - Do you have a season pass? - No. - No. - No, no, no, but I mean, you're like an adult on Disney. - I know what you mean. - You're an icon of Disney. - Yes, thank you. - Yes, but there are differences. I do not wake up and wish that my wedding was at the Cinderella Castle at Disney. I do not go to Disneyland. - Why not? - I do not go to Disneyland and celebrate every party.

I'm more of a Matrix. I'm more of like a Dante's Inferno type person. So the joy that Disney creates is saccharine sweet to me and I don't want to get diabetes. We've never been to Disneyland together. I'm offended. The deepness. But I bet those Disney adults probably are into you, right? I hope so. Yes.

Oh, so you're a fan? I love Raven so much. I grew up watching your show. Thank you for being a huge part of my childhood. And did you say Simone or Simone? I said Simone. Yep, I knew it. I'm sorry. Everyone said Simone, though. And I have to tell you, I even talked to my mother-in-law about this, and she was like, I just thought the accent above the E looked cute. She said, Raven's name is Raven Simone. But then Raven is like, but if you have an accent there, the way to actually pronounce it is. Oh, she made it sound like her parents, like,

intended for us to say Simone. - No, I don't think they did. - No, they put the, my mom told her that she put the accent because it just looks good. - She just thinks it looks cute. - It does look good. - It looks cute. - It looks rich. - But the problem is, it does look rich, but the problem is you then changed the pronunciation of my name because that's English class. - Right. - Slash French class. - You're too literal. - I am. - Too literal, exactly. - I am, I'm sad. - Does she drive you crazy with this? - Yes. - Yeah, 'cause I'm like that, yeah.

See a little bit of the gray zone. It is. It's hard. It's like the Enyay over Manana, you know? So what am I supposed to say if it's not Manana? Manana. Manana. Manana. Manana.

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Okay, let's take Danny in Los Angeles line three for Raven. Hi, Danny. Hi, Danny. Hi. Shout out, Jane. Shout out, Danny. Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited. Okay, so, Raven, do you remember that episode of That's So Raven where you give the dude the answers and you're like, I got a C, I got an A, I got a B, C, D? Do you remember that? Vaguely, sweetheart, vaguely. Okay.

That's fair. Huh? Yeah.

I love it. But then in college, I failed out. So I had to like drop out of Santa Monica and get a refund because it didn't work in college. You know what? I really want to apologize. If Raven Baxter went to college, I'm sure she would have, you know, reworked and remixed the song to help you get through college. My apologies. That's a typical joke. I also couldn't find parking.

That's why I dropped out. Danny, just so you know, it's Miranda and I quit SMC because I could not find parking and I was like, fuck this, I'm leaving. What is wrong with you two? Are you serious? Because that's, I think, where my daughter's going to go. No, she's not. I don't know if we're going to get her in school. No, I literally, I ended up sitting at Art Luna, the hair salon, all day long because I could not park at SMC and they had moved out of West Hollywood onto Main Street in Santa Monica and I just literally would sit in the garden and listen to Art.

Where is Monroe going to park? Thanks, Danny. Someone's talking to you. I have to get her a driver to go to Santa Monica Junior College? Yeah, you do. You do, for sure. This is hilarious. This is a real problem if everyone is experiencing this. This is like a barrier to education. It's terrible. Obviously, it's more parking. Yeah, obviously. If your class starts at 8, you have to get there at 6. That's insane. Why don't you get there early and study for your test? Fuck that! Fuck that!

Come on. I have shit to do. So I do have a housewife.

which we figured out yesterday. So Molly Sims was here along with Kristen Takeman. And I didn't know this before, but when they go shopping, if they're making purchases that they don't want their partner to see, they will take like a $2,000 bag or $3,000 bag and they'll use a couple different credit cards. So that way, like if Raven is looking at the credit card statements, she's seeing $500 at Neiman's, but then she's not putting it...

it two and two together that there's another thousand on American Express. There's another 500 on Visa. So this Jeff, we're leaving. We're leaving right now. So this guy, this somebody DM to me and he said it's called the housewife shuffle. Wow. That is.

Then I had someone else DM me yesterday and she said that she's been doing the grocery store trick for years where you get cash back. She said she had $15,000 saved in her boot in her closet. She sounds like my grandmother. My grandmother used to go to Chanel on my granddad's pension and her, what is it, teachers, but the one that's not every day, it's substitute teacher salary. And she would go to Chanel and she would keep her Chanel purchases in the trunk of the car for like a month.

And he would never check that, but he would check her closet and see if anything was going on. Do you check the credit card statements, Raven? I do check the credit card statements. Do you have a business manager? I do. And I still check my statements. That's smart. Because I was taught that you have to only trust yourself. Shit. Toxic. So do you think we can get away with the housewife shuffle?

we could get away with it but we don't credit cards no but we don't have to do that that's what i was going to say we really i i am a very responsible spender i've always grown up financially aware raven and i both not to get all serious here but one of the things that we really align in

or on in our marriage is spending. And a lot of times in the beginning too, my business manager used to have to tell us to, or tell me to chill out because she was like, Miranda, you're fine. Like finances are fine. So it just, it took me some time to get comfortable spending that way. Even though I always grew up, I lived in Hancock park. I went to Campbell hall. Like I've, I've been comfortable my entire life, but

Even still, it was a different dynamic when we got married. Yeah, because I'm very...

I'm frugal except for when it comes to certain things. Like I will cheap out on some things, then I'll splurge on a bag or I'll splurge on something that is like I know I'm going to wear for a while. Yeah. And then I'll kind of go to Ikea for my furniture because I'm like not tripping about it. We balance. You know what I mean? But you're fiscally responsible it sounds like. Yes, we are very fiscally responsible. We know how much and how important it is to invest. You of all people know this. We have a couple of

properties and we you know we know that the business that we're in is very fickle especially right now so we can't always live like we're gonna get a job like our jobs are so uneven in this but sometimes what i will do is i'll be like look at what i got it was on sale was it maybe it wasn't like really girl math she's girl yeah yeah i always fall for that girl math shit it's easy to do for that shit

You should have went to parking in that parking lot at 6 a.m. I took that damn class. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Live every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis channel exclusively on the Sirius XM app.

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