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Our players this week are Samantha Fleming, our victim, Serenity Fleming, and Geraldine Jones, our murderess. Geraldine Jones was born in Gary, Indiana to a happily married couple. She had two older sisters and her family was loving. Geraldine and her sisters knew that their parents cared about them. They knew that they wanted the best for them. Their parents were kind of like that. You know those people that have the parents and they're just like, that's the definition of love. I just want my life to be like that. That's how Geraldine's parents were.
All while growing up, education was a huge part of Geraldine's life. Five of her great aunts were teachers. For more than 20 years, so like everybody in her family instilled in her that education was extremely important. It was something that you were going to have forever and ever, amen. They used to tell me when I was little, they was like, they can take your clothes, they can take your car, everything.
They can take everything that you own, but they cannot take what's inside your brain. They cannot take your mind. When Geraldine graduated high school, it was no surprise to her family that she got accepted to Purdue University Northwest to pursue her undergraduate degree.
After she graduated, she happily took a job at a small but prestigious Catholic private school. Geraldine loved her students. She loved her job. She loved teaching just like all the people in her family before her. She worked there for eight years, but she wanted more for her life. She wanted to level up. And once she did, she decided that she was going to become principal. And she did just that. She became principal.
principal of this Catholic private school. Obviously, I mean, if you love kids and you love education and you're the principal, you're going to love your job even more despite the bureaucracy of, you know, the school system. Well, she was at a private school, so that's even better than privately owned schools, boy. That's a great place to work. Her students there, they were her life. And the only thing that was missing from her life is that, you know, she loved all these kids. She was so excited. She
She was growing up. She was about to turn 30. She wanted a family of her own. After a while, she quit her job as a principal and she became the deputy assessor at the assessor's office. So I had to look up what the assessor does. And it is a person who assesses your property, private and public and personal, and assesses what your property tax is going to be. I Googled that one.
Now that she, you know, had this new job, she was finding more time to pursue relationships. When Geraldine turned 35, she met a handsome, hardworking, God-fearing man. They hit it off immediately. This man's name was Randy. And Randy and Geraldine hit it off for real, for real. A few months after they started dating in October of 2014, Geraldine told Randy that they were expecting. After a few months, she was pregnant and she was happy about it.
And apparently Randy was too. You know, he was just like, I've always wanted to be a dad. Our relationship is going well. Like, what can make this better but a union of us, right? Like, we are going to create a little us together.
to love as much as we love each other. Probably even more. Like, they're ecstatic. Lovely. They're up there in their age, too. Like, it's about time. Clock's ticking, right? Geraldine goes to the doctor and she finds out that not only is she pregnant, but she's having twins, y'all. Oh, stress me, Lord. She finds the news out in, like, October 2014. And from then until December, all this while, she's, like, keeping her family posted with what's going on. You know, she shared the news about twins, you know,
She's posting sonograms on Facebook. You know, everybody's excited. They're all in here, right? But her family and Randy started getting a little suspicious, right? So Geraldine and Randy are starting to argue a lot. Their relationship is starting to get some cracks in it. And Randy
Randy really just wants to step up and be a good dad, you know? He was like, this is my first child, my seed. I want to come to the doctor's visit with you. I want to be there, like, every step of the way. And every time Geraldine had an excuse of why he couldn't go to the doctor's appointments.
Randy started to get sick of it. And, like, honestly, you're creating a little bit of doubt here, sis. Then, to make matters worse, she goes from saying that her due date was in December to her due date being in March. Bitch. And...
Right. So Randy, her sisters, everybody. I never had no kids. I never had no kids, but that don't sound right to me. That don't sound right to me. Like, they're like, you're losing us, sis. You're losing us. Nobody can come be a part of this process with you anymore.
You have twins all of a sudden and your due date has jumped from December to March. The only way I could explain, but they don't do due dates like that. But the only way I could explain that away is, you know, if they said, oh, twins never go to turn, you'll probably deliver. She could play it off, right? But like, oh, they said I would probably deliver in December, but the actual due date is in March. You know what I mean? It's still a stretch. It's still a stretch. I don't know nothing about birthing no babies. Yeah.
You know, twins usually don't make it to term. I pretty much did, but usually it's not enough space in the womb. They just end up having them early. Randy's like, enough is enough. I'm not doing this with you. I'm out of here. Like, you know, this the way you want to do it. Let me know when my baby's born and we'll see what's what. So now Randy is out of the picture and Jody's family is getting even more suspicious. Like...
Yo, baby daddy just left you out of nowhere. Right. Who was so excited to have this baby and now he's just out your life. I don't understand, girl. Make it make sense. So then, you know, Jodan starts like trying to build her own community. Right. So she's like joining these Facebook mom groups.
and pregnancy groups. I know my sister joined one while she was pregnant and they were talking about the different things that they were going through and sharing her sonograms and they could all be mom and talk about mom stuff and mom problems together, right? And pregnancy problems together, right? And so she's like at least trying to have this wall of support because her baby daddy done left it as she's pregnant with twins and she just can't take it, Lord. So,
On Facebook, in one of these mommy Facebook groups, there was also a woman named Samantha Flemings. Now, Samantha Flemings, she was a white woman from Indianapolis. She was born there in 1991. And while growing up, she was closest to her mom. And after her parents divorced, she was even closer to her sister. Her sister's name was Kaylee. At 19, you know, Sam was one of those girls that she didn't want to be around the house anymore. So she started just couch surfing from house to house because she didn't want to follow no rules. Lo and behold, she found out that she was pregnant.
Her baby daddy initially, her first baby daddy wasn't really interested in having a family. And she was really young at the time. She was trying to make the right decisions, of course. So she signed over her parental rights to her mother. You know, this is going to be the chance for me to have, for my child to have a good life. Two years later, when Samantha was 21, she met another guy. This guy's name was Steven. They fell in love, love. They began dating and
And that dating relationship turned toxic very quickly. And it was a lot of on again, off again. Like, that was her...
Oh, you know, Samantha will run back to Stephen real quick. You know, Stephen will run back to Samantha. Oh, they not fight? Y'all blocked today or not? Like, which one is it? They would be just, they were that type of relationship. Eventually, Samantha found out that she was pregnant. And Stephen was like, okay, well, let's try and make this relationship work. Like, let's see what we can do. But the two couldn't stop fighting. So one day, the police were called. And when the police are called about a domestic dispute and a child is there...
They took their son. This devastated Samantha because, like, this is her child. And now CPS is taking their child away. And in hopes of it being, like, a quick fix, everybody tries to finesse the system because they want to get their child back faster. And in hopes of doing that, Samantha and Steven got married. To, you know, give this illusion of, you're married, we're a happy family, you can give us our child back. Well, sounds like a young idea. Yeah.
Like a young person thought of this. But I guess, you know, with these CPS things, you just never know what they want to see. And I guess they were trying... I can understand their thought process. I can understand their thought process of thinking if we get married and we look like a happy family, then maybe we'll get our kid back. Well, they got married. They didn't get their kid back. And they were never ever happily married. The abuse in the house was still...
really bad. And since that didn't work with them getting their child back, they got a divorce and Samantha moved to Anderson, Indiana. She has her youngest is with her mother. The youngest is with CPS. And she's really, you know, she's trying to settle herself. She's trying to get her life back together. And
She's really trying to find, you know, steady work, steady pay. You got to do all of these things to show that you are fit to get your child back, even though you lost your child because you was in a domestic violence situation where he was hitting on you. But whatever. Right. While she's trying to get her life back together, her feet back on the ground, she meets a man named Rainey. I love the name Rainey. Rainey is 31 years old and they fall in love.
Pretty quickly. Shortly after getting together, Samantha found out that she was pregnant, but she was not pregnant by Rainey. She was pregnant before her and Rainey started messing around. But Rainey was like, you know what? I've already fallen in love with you, baby.
I'm going to raise this child as my own. We're going to have a life together. You know, all this hopeless romantic love. We're in love. You know, we're going to raise our kids together. We're going to do all this. And Samantha, she's 23 years old. She's finally getting her life back together. She's really working hard on the CPS case. She's, of course, posting on the Facebook groups, asking for advice, posting how, you know, she's pregnant now, how happy she is. And I mean, she's a young girl showing off her pregnancy.
She also was on the groups talking a lot about how she was really trying to get back her baby from CPS. You know, as Mariah said, Geraldine and Samantha were in the same Facebook group. And Geraldine starts to see that they're belly buddies, right? Like, they got the same due date.
Samantha is also supposed to be due around March 2015. She's supposed to be due around March 15. You know how sometimes on Facebook you kind of go down a deep hole and you just like start looking at these strangers pictures, you know, just because something led you to something. Knowing all their business because it's just right there on Facebook. Right. So she's like looking at the sonograms.
She's got the due date. She sees where the girl is at. And the girl is also, you know, posting all her baby daddy issues on there. And so this is like Geraldine's belly buddy in her head. I don't know. No contact was confirmed between the two like that they ever spoke.
But Geraldine was definitely all up and through her Facebook page. Now, March finally comes around and Geraldine is texting her family like, y'all, it's time. I'm at the hospital. I'm about to go give birth. Her family, of course, wants to be there with her, especially, you know, her baby daddy, y'all. So this is her first kid. It's her first kid. She's having twins. Like, it's so much. You need somebody there with you. You want somebody there with you.
Her family is like rushing to the hospital, but they can't find Geraldine anywhere. They're like, hey, girl, where you at? And Geraldine's not answering. And they're like, I mean, I guess she's giving birth. If she's busy, I understand. Do you know what I mean? But they're like, it's still kind of weird, you know. It usually takes a while, like, to push the baby out.
So, through all this time we're looking for you, we can't find you. You're just in that hospital having that baby alone. They're like, I guess Geraldine's just going to keep going on with this weird-ass pregnancy by herself or whatever. Nobody really confronts her about it, right? Now, remember, Samantha and Geraldine were belly buddies and they was having their baby around the same time. So, towards the end of March...
Samantha also has her baby. So she's got her precious little bundle of joy, her little baby Serenity at home with her and Rainy. They're so happy. They're loving on this little baby so much. And not too long after she has the baby, Samantha's mom, Sandy, gets a call from a block number and
And her mom answers it. And a woman named Angela Grossman is like, hey, I'm a CPS worker. I've been trying to get in touch with your daughter, Samantha. Do you know how I can get in touch with her? Do you have her number? And her mom's like, a little weird, but...
Yeah, I do. What's this about? She was like, I've newly been assigned to Samantha's case. I need to get in touch with your daughter because, you know, I'm her caseworker. I need to, you know, keep her posted. We have some new information on her son. And so her mom's like, oh, yes, of course. You know, Samantha's definitely going to want you to call her. Here's her number. Right.
So she talks to her and she's like, hey, girl, I'm Angela from CPS. I am your new caseworker. And I just wanted to check in with you. Touch base. Do you need anything? You need some diapers. Like, what's going on, girl? Like, how can I help you?
So she talks to Samantha for a bit, hangs up the phone. They get off the line. Right. Two days later, on April 6, 2015, Angela from CPS pulled up to Samantha's house, the home that Samantha and Rainey shared. She pulled up around 1250 p.m. When she got to the door, of course, she was dressed in business attire. She was carrying a binder. She was, you know,
They're on official business. You know how CPS workers are, I guess. Rainey answered the door, and Angela from CPS said that she was here for a surprise home inspection, and she was also here to take Sam and Serenity to a custody hearing for her son. And she was like, well, I'm here to take Sam, but Sam would really look good if we had the other baby. You know, we're able to tell the court, look what the baby is being taken away of. If she can take care of this baby. You know, trying to persuade her. And of course, Samantha thinks...
that's a great idea. Of course, we want to pursue the courts in any way that we can. So Samantha packs up Serenity and goes into the car of Angela. While in the car, Samantha texts her mother and she texts her sister and she's like, all right, you know, there's a court hearing today. I'm headed to it. I'm with CPS worker and I'm really excited, you know, feeling positive, feeling positive. We're going to get baby boy back, right? And Kaylee, her sister, remember, they're super close. So Kaylee's like, that's right. You're going to get nephew back. Like, you know, they're hyping her up. And they said, we will...
Try our best and we'll meet you at the courthouse. Suddenly there's like no communication. None. For like an hour and 50 minutes. But she was in the courthouse, right? After that, after an hour and 50 minutes passed, Sam's phone texts her mother and Kaylee saying that the judge said that she didn't deserve her kid. Of course, Sam's mom. Of course, her sister. Know that Sam is probably distraught right now. Like how on earth could the court...
say could the judge say that she was unfit to take care of her son like you know she's been doing everything that she could because she's been working really really hard to get her child back how could this happen spoiler alert there was never a court hearing Angela from CPS was no Angela from CPS in fact she was Miss Geraldine Jones in disguise
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She's brought them inside of the house and we're not sure exactly what happened, but Sam turned away to get to look at Serenity after they had gotten into some altercation. And Geraldine, who was the sky who just ripped off her Angela from CPS disguise, stab Sam 10 times. Once Sam is dead in her living room,
On the floor, she takes her body. She wraps her up in plastic tape and black duct tape. She drags the body to a bedroom closet where there was like this Navy. It was like a 55 gallon storage tote. And she just stuffs the body in the tote.
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And Geraldine is like, hey, you know, I've had my baby. I know I was supposed to have twins, but one of them didn't make it. And, you know, she's just blessed to have her little baby with her at this moment. Right. Tomiko thinks it's weird, but she congratulates Geraldine anyways. Geraldine then leaves her new baby, fresh baby with her dad. And we got the shots yet. You know what I mean? And she gets on a flight to Texas to go see her mom.
Now, later that night in Anderson, Indiana, Rainey's getting a little worried because baby mama ain't made it home and his new baby is out there and she's not answering texts. She's not answering calls.
He's like, I'm going to just call the police and report her missing. They was like, sir, you need to call back in a day or so to file an actual report. Remember, all that happened on April 6th. April 7th comes ghost. April 8th comes ghost. April 9th comes ghost. Nobody has heard from Sam. I thought Rainey would have reacted a little faster to get back to the cops. Yeah, because that was way over 24 hours. Yeah. Yeah.
But he doesn't actually call until April 10, 2015. He's calling 911. He was like, I'm ready to officially report Sam and Serenity missing. I haven't seen him. She's gone. She has my baby. Don't know where they're at.
And the cops come to the house. They're like, all right, sir, tell us what happened. He said she left on April 6th with a CPS lady for a court hearing, and she has not been here since. And it was like, a lady from CPS came and took your wife, and then they never returned? First of all, I mean, like, did y'all schedule this pickup? And he's like, no, you know, she just came and said she's got a hearing. And he was like, you didn't know about this case beforehand?
no, she said she was just taking over the case two days before and just, it's a whole lot of, mm, doesn't sound right. They're like, listen, you're going to have to come down to the station. This isn't, we need you to really break this down for us. Like, you know, maybe he did something because this story is weird, right? So he gets to the station. He's telling the same story again. He was like, listen, I knew something was fishy. So I made sure I remembered that license plate. And they was like, okay, what about the license plate?
What was fishy about it? He was like, she had expired tags. He was like, if she works for CPS, why would she be riding around with expired tags, especially if she's going to be picking up people and taking them to court? He was like, that already seemed weird to me. So I made sure I remembered the license plate number. They're like, OK, well, give us the license plate number. Renny gives it to them and they start to go search for the plate.
They talk to Samantha's family and they're trying to see if they know anything. They're like, and that's when Sandy, her mom is like, yeah, this woman, Angela Grossman calls me from a block number. And she says, you know, she's her new caseworker.
Then two days later, she picks Sam and Serenity up. They're like, okay, same exact story. It was like, yeah, it was weird, but we haven't talked to Angela since then. So then Kaylee tells the police, I tried to go down to the courthouse and be with my sister to support her.
I can't find her. And so like on the way there, left a message saying that she's on the way. She was in contact and she spoke with good grammar. She put her punctuations in when she texts. You know, we all have our own style. Right. So the last text she sent.
decision from the judge. And it was like, okay, what does that even mean? Like, you're usually a clearer text than this. They're calling her. She's not answering. You know, she just told them, she tells them that she's not getting her kid and then she's not picking up the phone. Like, they're obviously concerned. Yes. Like, this is something, honestly, like, as a
As a sister, as a friend, as knowing, if I knew somebody going through this that has been like, you know, I'm sure that they were like, finally, we're doing it because she's been working hard to be established so that she can get her son back. And you find out that your friend, your sister didn't, that all their work, that they're going to feel all their work is in vain. Yeah, I'm going to have to get you on the phone.
I think especially with her just being a fresh mommy, like Serenity was 17 days old. So like you've got all those fresh hormones and feelings on you and you try and go get back your first child. And, you know, they're telling you that you're unfit to be a mother. Like you hit me with a lot right now, you know? Right, right. So then the police are like, is there anybody in Sam's life who would want to hurt her? And they're like, well, yeah, you know, her first baby daddy, Steven, right?
He can be kind of abusive. They broke up because of that. She really ended up having to leave him. It was a bad situation. Right. So the police are like, all right, we've got all this suspicious information. We're going to do a little investigation. Come back, see what we get. Right. So then I get a call about a wallet belonging to Samantha Fleming being found in a dumpster at the Woodlake Apartments in Gary, Indiana. I'm like, this is not a good sign that we're finding her wallet.
It's missing woman's wallet in a dumpster, but it's a wallet and it's a clue. So we're going to head on out there and check it out. At this time, Sam and Serenity have been missing for more than 11 days. They also go and they talk to Steven and Steven got himself a lawyer. And that lawyer said, Steven has nothing to hide, but he also does not wish to speak with any law enforcement.
He doesn't have a good relationship with y'all. He doesn't want to participate. And eventually he was able to.
It was like, y'all gonna put murder on me. Listen, I don't even want to talk to you. And so they ended up ruling him out as a suspect eventually. After searching the block number, they find out that it's linked to 36-year-old Geraldine Jones. They search her information and they're like, neither Angela Grossman, who said they was on a block call, nor Geraldine Jones was.
who the block phone connects back to is a CPS worker. But she's got to know something because why would her number and name be tied up in this mix? Right. And they have records showing that it traced back to Sandy and Sam. So they're like, got to talk to her, got to talk to her.
So on April 17th, they call Geraldine. But of course, they do not get an answer. So they go to her house. When they get there, Tomiko, her sister, answers the door. The police are shocked because they see Tomiko holding the baby wrapped up in a little pink blanket. And so they was like, hey, ma'am, what's this baby's name? And Tomiko says, I don't know. They said, huh?
You don't know the baby's name? She said, listen, man, first of all, come in. Because I've got a lot to say. She was like, this is my sister's baby, my sister Geraldine. But last week she went to Texas to visit our mom and she left this baby with my dad. So I just took her off my dad's hands.
And I'm over here just trying to pick up some more stuff for the baby. I guess Geraldine's dealing with some postpartum issues and she just needed to get away. So she went to stay with my mom. But, you know, I'm picking up some stuff for the baby. And she was like, and if I'm being really honest, I'm trying to figure out if this baby is hers. I was like, what?
what do you mean? She was like, this whole shit has been weird. I'm looking for a baby bracelet from the hospital, a little hospital first day blanket. Looking for something to show that my sister had this baby because first she was supposed to have twins. Then nobody could find her at the hospital. She was supposed to be doing December. She was like,
And if I'm being honest with you, something don't smell right. And the police were like, speaking of smell, ma'am, do you smell something foul in this house? And Tamika was like, looking around like, I just got here like 20 minutes ago. I mean, my sister, we can't, she in Texas. She probably ain't due to take out the trash. I don't know. I'm just trying to, I told y'all what I was here for. And the police are like, ma'am, it stank in this house. They're like,
do you mind stepping out while we search the house? And Tameka was like, be my guest. She was so ready to give her up, bro. Tameka was not happy. Listen, she's sick of the games. I'll talk about Tameka later. Because you have, hats off to you, my lady.
So police walk through the house. They're looking in different rooms. They're basically following their literal sense because they're trying to figure out what that smell is. Finally, they get to the bedroom and the smell is getting stronger. They go to a closet and the smell is getting even stronger. They flip on the light in the closet and they open the door and immediately they see that there is a plastic wrapped duct taped body in a storage tote.
Because of how the body was wrapped, they couldn't identify the body. They didn't know who it was, but the police were like, oh my gosh, I think that we just found the body of Samantha. Also, immediately, they were like, that baby that Tomiko don't even know the name of? I'm pretty sure that's Serenity. So on their way out, they go to talk to Tomiko, and they couldn't help but notice that in the living room, there was a wad of bleach everywhere.
and like a lot of ammonia. And there was an imprint in the floor. You know how like, you know how folks have the rug that they keep in they house forever and ever, amen. And when you take it up, you know, it don't matter what you do. You can tell that there was a rug there. And the police were like, there used to be a rug here.
And so then they see like a hand truck, you know, like if you're moving big boxes that helps you, has two wheels and a flat thing. They see a hand truck, it's red. And on the wheels, the two backwards, it looks like there's blood on it. And the police are like, oh, shit.
this is a crime scene. They're like, okay, we are almost 100% sure that this is Serenity, the baby. Let's take her to the hospital. This body, I'm almost sure this is Sam, but you know you got to go through everything. So let's take the body to the coroner's office so it can be identified. And while Serenity was at the hospital, she actually was identified because she had a birthmark in the back of her ear. And after that, she was taken from the hospital and put into real CPS custody. Okay.
At the coroner's office, the body was unwrapped and identified by Sandy. Remember, Sandy is Samantha's mom. So Sandy is like, yep, that's her. I know because of her tattoos. She had 10 stab wounds on the front and back of her body.
If y'all watch Snapped, it says like 50, but the court documents say 10. So believe what y'all will. Rewread it on paper. Around this time, they also found Geraldine's abandoned 2004 red sedan. And Rainey was able to identify that car to be the car that Sam and Serenity left in. So the police go back to Sister Tomiko.
And Tomiko is like the definition of I ain't going down for some shit I didn't do. And again, she tells him everything about Geraldine, about her being wishy-washy, about this due date that changed by not weeks, but months.
and how honestly she didn't really see any proof of Geraldine actually having a baby, a baby actually being born. And again, she told the police that she basically hit the red eye to Texas, and once she got on the airplane, she ain't heard from her since. So later that day, because they started to crack that case open, and they had the ball rolling since, right? So later that day,
They get a call saying that Geraldine was admitted to the hospital after taking 240 Tylenol PM pills. I just don't even want to. It's too much work at that point. I'm going to start gagging after like 10 times of swallowing a handful of pills. There I go. They admitted her for depression and suicidal thoughts and actions.
You know, the doctor's at the hospital. Let the cops know that she's fine. She's just recovering. These Indiana investigators go to Texas to talk to Geraldine. When they get to the hospital, they read her her rights. They say, is there anything that you'd like to tell us? And she says, no, I'd like a lawyer. And so they're like, they're like, you know, that's fine. Um...
Doc, let us know when she's good and we're going to go ahead and get her extradited back to Texas. Now, Geraldine did not fight this extradition from Texas to Indiana, which I don't think I would be either. I'd rather take my chances in Indiana than Texas.
And they take her back to Anderson. And on April 20th, 2015, in Madison County, she was charged with murder and two counts of kidnapping and taken to the county jail to await trial. How some ever.
Before the trial date could come, Geraldine and her attorneys filed a motion to get the case dismissed due to lack of venue in jurisdiction. They said, at this point, the prosecution is 100% sure where the crime was committed.
Is this a Gary, Indiana case or is this an Anderson, Indiana case? And if you don't know where the crime happened, then you don't know where to charge me. So y'all need to drop it. She says like on the way there or on the way to some county, Indiana.
it wasn't kidnapping. She was like, at a certain point, she was at her own free will. If you can't prove that I enticed her or tricked her or whatever to get her to go to this place, then it's not kidnapping. Then she just rode with me, right? And they was like, at the end of the day...
We've got you doing a for sure kidnapping here, and we've got you doing a for sure murder there. So we can try you in either one of these spots, and we'll be covered for jurisdiction. You got a felony here, felony there. What felony you want to take? We know what you want to do, sis. We got you. So judge is like, you know what? We're going to deny that appeal. It's not worth it. You didn't argue your point well enough. They got you, girl. The trial was...
Set to be held on October 26, 2015. Geraldine is just sitting in that jail, sitting in that jail down there, rocked to death. But three years after the kidnapping and murder of Sam Fleming and the kidnapping of Serenity Fleming, Geraldine decides, I'm just going to go ahead and take a plea deal. We can skip the public trial. I'm just sitting in here wasting time. At this point, Geraldine gets to tell
her story. So in May of 2018, Geraldine was offered a deal by the Madison County prosecution to plead guilty to one count of voluntary manslaughter, a level two felony, one count of criminal confinement, a level three felony, one count of criminal confinement, a level five felony for kidnapping and murdering Sam and kidnapping Serenity. In exchange,
In exchange for pleading guilty, Geraldine would have to serve 30 years in prison and then be on 10 years probation once she was released. That is a sweet deal for such a heinous crime. I'm not going to hold you. I am telling you. Like... The prosecution said that Sam's family was happy with the term she had to serve and felt like justice was done. But of course, they were always going to miss Samantha. Today, Sam's oldest daughter lives with Sandy, Samantha's grandmother. I mean, Samantha's mother.
But sadly, her son and her youngest daughter are still in foster care. Okay, so up until this point, through the sitting in jail, through the plea deal, Jodi never spoke about what happened. And some time passes, and she decides that she's ready to share on Snapped. What happened? Out of all places. Out of all places. So she's actually featured on the Snap episode. And she says...
So y'all want to know what really happened? Here's T. Me and Samantha were belly buddies, okay? I knew the girl. I mean, Facebook knew her, but knew her, right? She was like, we talked, we shared photos, we talked about the pregnancy. And she told me that she wasn't prepared to have another baby and she wasn't ready to have another baby. And she told me that she would sell me her daughter for $2,000.
And I said, you know what? I would love that beautiful baby of yours to death. So I will make that deal with you. She says it was her idea, Sam's idea for her to show up to the house as a CPS worker. She's like, Rainey not just going to let me just sell my baby for two thousand dollars. So we got to make it look like you're a CPS worker. And then, you know.
Something will happen, right? So their plan was for, their plan together was for Angela from CPS to show up, pick up Sam and Serenity, take Sam to Geraldine slash Angela's house, exchange the baby, but have the money. And then she would get the rest of the money later. I don't know what that is, like 30 days. And I'll see if I really want your baby. And if not, I'll give you baby back and you keep the first half. I don't know why the money would come later.
But when they arrive at Geraldine's house, Geraldine's like, all of a sudden, Sam wants all the money. She was like, give me the whole $2,000 right now. And I'm like, I don't have it. I have the one van that we agreed on.
And she's like, at this point, it turns physical. She's attacking me. I had to protect myself. I pick up a knife and I just start stabbing her to get her off of me. Lord Jesus. She says that she didn't mean for her to die.
But she hasn't really taken responsibility for these actions. She didn't even really seem that remorseful on the Snap episode. She very matter-of-factly said this is the story. It did not seem like it bothered her or anything. And also, there are no records of them having any type of contact other than when she called her from that block number saying that she was Angela from CPS. Right. No texts, no Facebook messages, not even Facebook likes. Like, it's nothing. Right.
But the only connection is that they were in some, they were in very similar Facebook mommy pages. Be careful. Now investigators and Samantha's family denied every bit of Geraldine's story about
Sam agreeing to sell her daughter. They said she would never do that. She's trying damn hard to get her first son back. Why would she sell her daughter in the process of doing that? All in all, Geraldine was pretty smart for taking the deal because Indiana has a death penalty or she could have had to serve life in prison.
So the deal was for sure her best bet because I don't think any jury was letting her off with the stories that she's telling. She's now housed at Rockville Correctional Facility in Rockville, Indiana, and she will get out in 2037. That's going to be here in no time. Yeah.
And she will be 69 years old. And then she'll have that 10-year probation. So she won't be free-free until she's 79. A little note in case this story spooked you out a bit. They went on the news. And how to not find yourself in this situation. All CPS workers have a badge and a photo identification with their name and picture on it.
So if you feel like some weird shit is going on and a CPS lady shows up at your door telling you to come somewhere with your baby or even just you. Yes, infomercial. Check those badges. Check that ID. Make sure y'all know who y'all talking to. Okay, so. All right, y'all. It is time for. I'm not black. I'm OJ.
I ain't do it. But if I did, this is how I would have got away with it. I ain't do it. But if I did, I'd have got me a black baby. What, girl? That is sending me. I can't understand it. Like, girl, you're black. Your man was black. Samantha's white. Her man was white. I don't understand how she was ever a contender. I know Tameka was like, I am and our skin, you dark skin. You got this white baby. White ass baby. What?
Whose goddamn white baby is that? This is your baby, okay? He's just light-skinned, T. Mm-hmm.
That one might be mine. That one right there. I'm not totally sure. Just because you name him Darren don't mean he belong to Darren. But I don't care what this baby's name is. This baby is rice-skinded, but not light-skinded. That is a white child. That is Caucasian from the mountains of Caucasus. That is a Slavic baby, a Viking from Iceland. That's a good... That baby got 730 as a credit rating right now as an infant. A white man's child. I
I didn't do it, but if I did, when I got arrested in Texas or when I got placed in the facility at Texas, I think I would have played one that flew over the cuckoo's nest. When they were like, once y'all clear her, bring her back. Y'all ain't never going to clear me. Yeah.
Um, I ain't do it, but if I did, I want to tell Tameko shit. Tameko couldn't wait to tell on her ass. No, Tameko knew some shit was up, and Tameko was not going to jail over no bullshit, okay? Tameko shouldn't have known shit.
She shouldn't have. And that's your problem. That's why I said, Tamika wouldn't have known shit. There's some people you know don't tell no shit to me. Not me. Y'all can tell me. But you know people that you can't tell them nothing. You can't tell them nothing because they are going to be the ones that's going to A, tell you it's a bad idea, and B, tell on you. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And Tamika, that's probably why she left. She said, Tamika coming to see the baby? Let's go. It's over. The jig is up.
I didn't do it, but if I did, I would have had tags that weren't expired. Oh, for sure. And I also would have not had tags that were registered to me. I would have used a rental car. But that's another thing, y'all. Your CPS worker that shows up to your crib, they have to have, as far as I know, they have to have tags that are legal, right?
They can't be rotting dirty. I ain't do it, but if I did, I'd at least left the baby with a damn name. The police come to the door and say, who is this? I don't know. Tamika said, do not put me in no shit. Okay? I ain't do it, but if I did, if I hear that I have a new caseworker, there's somebody in that office. The turnover rate in CPS is bananas. It is like...
how much turnover there is with family services. Like, my goodness, no wonder nothing gets done. No wonder we have cases like this. My old person gonna have to call me on my cell phone and tell me something's up. I need to talk to somebody to make sure to verify that this is the right person because there's absolutely no way that... I don't understand how you can just not know when your court day is. But you know what?
There's a show called Do No Harm on Wondery. And this is not an ad because Wondery makes way more money than we do. But y'all can give us some if you like. It is about like these cases where kids get hurt accidentally, like they were actual true accidents and they were taken away by CPS workers. And these some CPS workers wouldn't even tell the families when their court dates were. They had too many cases. They were piled high. Some of them didn't care.
Many of them don't care. Most of them are racist as hell. I mean, Samantha's a white woman, but like we're talking about CPS in general and this is a black ass podcast. So they racist as hell, especially when it comes to black children, especially when it comes to poor children. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't even know where I started getting on this on this on this thing. Oh, I can do it. But if I did. So knowing your casework, I have a friend that worked.
with CPS in Philly. And she was like, this is what I want to do. This is like, she's always said in college, like, this is what I want to do. Like, I really want to help these kids. And when she was doing it, she was helping these kids and she was really enjoying her work. But after a while, like slowly, but surely, like she was deteriorating. Like,
And she loved her job. She was passionate about her job. But the money wasn't good. The benefits weren't good. It was stressful as hell. So now she's like, well, I need to go back and get another degree because I'm not going to be able to help on the ground floor. I'm going to have to help from, you know, the inside out, you know, start from the top type shit. I need another degree. Right. So now it's left with people that everybody that cares are like, OK, I need to make money.
make a difference this way. But really, yeah, you do. But y'all need to make sure that there's, and with that difference, make sure that there's money and budgets put in place so that people on the ground floor that have the same drive, that y'all can actually sustain themselves with that position. Honestly, y'all need to protect these kids a little bit better.
And Geraldine being a principal, like knew the knew how the system worked just just well enough. I need an official letter saying that you're my new caseworker. I don't know how that shit goes for real. But Sam believed way too easily that she had a new caseworker and went away with her just like that. All that rings a bell to me is the turnover rate and how horrid it is. Parole or no parole? Parole.
I mean, they gave her a plea deal, but, like, because she became obsessed. She was stalking Sam, you know? She's going to have to go through a lot of therapy and maybe let a therapist decide. I guess it's possible that she could have it. I'd let her argue. We'd have to see some change, though, because right now that snap is not giving. Yeah, that snap is definitely not giving. It's definitely trying to put the blame on Sam and Sam.
It seemed like Sam's family, you know, they were they felt like justice was served. So if the family feels like justice was served, at least as far as the resources we saw with. Let's read some reviews. This one just got emailed to us. I'm going to read it.
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