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What's going on, everybody? I'm Marah. And I'm Tess. And welcome back to Sisters Who Kill. What about your friends? Will they stand their ground? Will they let you down? Hey, what about your friends? Are they going to be low down? Will they ever be around? Or will they turn their backs on you? ♪♪

Okay, our players this week are Maria Palomino. She's 71. She's our victim. Eva Mondragon-Harris. This is Jennifer's friend, question mark? Kenneth Wayne Driver, who is Jennifer's boyfriend. Faralee Smith Jr., who is Kenneth's brother. And Jennifer Jeffely, our murderess.

Jennifer was born on September 2nd, 1981. She started pre-K when she was four because she had a late birthday. She was one of those cutoff kids. I was a cutoff kid. I always was kind of envious of the cutoff kids because they were the oldest in our age group, but I was always the youngest in our age group. Like, my birthday's in May. Remember when we graduated? Yeah, I always felt late. Like, I'm just... I was the same age as the people in the grade ahead of me, and it was just like, it was just a couple months late. Mm-hmm. That's what puts...

Me and Laney and Selena in a different year. It was that month. Damn. She loved school and she was super smart. She grew up as a Jehovah's Witness and her mom moved her and her older sister came around a lot. They would...

try and clean houses and babysit and try and do all these things they could to make money as a kid but she also was like a really well-rounded kid too she swam she ran tracks she cheerleaded she was treasuring student council she's like i tried a little bit of everything yeah she's very involved as a kid plus she was a little mini hustler right we always hear about little boys being like oh can i go mow your lawn can i go mow your lawn but her sister were like hey can we

Babysit, can we do, can we sell some candy? Whatever we had to do. That was me, man. I used to be the kid selling candy in class and I would turn the little candy box into my cash register. I got change, what you need, what you need. That is so funny. That was Bria in middle school. It's always good to be friends with the candy kids. Jennifer, you know, she had her friends at school, but because she was Jehovah's Witness, she couldn't participate in a lot of things at school like pep rallies. She said she always felt weird that she had to step outside and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

And she couldn't attend the Valentine's Day parties or the birthday parties. The Christmas parties at school. Yeah, it's one of those stricter religions.

I remember my cousin, she wasn't Jehovah's Witness, but her aunt was. And she's like, when I'm over this house, I can't watch Fairly Audient. You know, you can't watch anything with any type of magic or witchcraft in it. So you miss out on a lot of those cartoon shows. I just remember a girl that was Jehovah's Witness. And when I was in like elementary school and we were all coloring our Christmas trees and she had to color an apple. Yeah. And I think as a kid, it's very much like, why?

Well, I don't get to do what everybody else does. Right. But like Jehovah's Witness is super strict. Like they will shun you. They will shun you. So in addition, you know, being well-rounded in school, she had a pretty close knit family. Her mom was a single mom, but she had five kids in total. And she's either the youngest or the second youngest. Right. She had a brother who she was very close with. Her and her brother were only 18 months apart.

and the middle sister, she was close to an age two. And that was Kim, right? And I think growing up with five siblings, you know, you always got a friend somewhere, you know? Right. And they didn't have a lot of money, so they really leaned on each other. And then she says they were poor. She was like, but my mom, she held it down. You know, she's like, I didn't realize I was poor until I got to middle school and I wasn't wearing the name brands that everybody else was. It's not, but she's like, I ain't, I ain't want for nothing for real, you know?

So in March of 1994, tragedy struck the family. Her eldest brother was headed to an arcade and he gets to the arcade and he meets up with his friends and something happens and he was shot and killed. And also, y'all, he was at home visiting from college. Like he wasn't just

He was a home visitor from college. Right. And some shit happened. And her mom said he had just left me. I had seen him 30 minutes before he died. And when she arrived on scene, she said the body was still warm. Like, she got there, like, right after. And he did not make it. He died, unfortunately. And the family kind of had to, you know, rally around each other and push each other through.

As if that wasn't hard enough, just three months later in June of the same year, her youngest brother was diagnosed with cancer. The family, they were looking after him, just trying to make sure he gets the best treatment. The mom's doing whatever she can. She's trying to, like, get a better job so she can get better insurance and better access to health care and stuff. Because God forbid something happens to your child while you are poor in America. I mean, God forbid.

bids something happens where your child needs serious medical treatment while you are poor in America. So she is just doing whatever she can and it seemed like the brother was getting better for a while. So Jennifer's mom, Jackie, she said her son was getting a little better but he wanted to play sports and she was like, no, I don't want you to get hurt. Turns out he was playing with some kid, got hit with his stomach and they say that exacerbated something and caused the cancer to come back. But

he was back up to another fight. He had to do chemo treatments and all of that stuff. And Jackie was like, listen, where can I go to get the best treatment for my son? Because they had moved around a lot. And she was like, I don't really, what are my options to get the best treatment for my son? And he was like, well, you know what? Houston's got a really good center. She was like, I guess we're going to take him to Houston because I got to have my baby, right? So she starts applying for a job transfer to Houston and

And she is shuttling back and forth trying to get him to his chemo treatments while she's looking for a house out there. She's setting up like housing and everything for him to live there. And in December of that same year, he ended up passing. So she lost both of her sons in the same year, one to murder and one to cancer. Like 94 was not a good year for the Jeffely family. And not at all. So Jackie had already put in the steps to find a new place to live.

And she didn't really want to be at her old house because it reminded her of her two kids that she lost. So she was like, you know...

We're just going to take this opportunity to go to Houston and just try and restart our life. And she's, like, got to pay back funeral costs. She's got to pay back medical bills. She's got to work. She's got to make up this money. You know what I mean? So she's not really around and as attentive as she would have been, you know? And I'm sure she's also dealing and coping with stuff on her own. So, you know, it's, like, kind of hard to pull yourself out your own head and really be there for the other ones. The oldest daughter is starting her own family. So she's outcast.

out of the house. She's not really there. And so it's really just Jennifer and the middle sister, Kim, trying to hold down the fort. Thugging it out, right? So while they were sitting there helping take care of their brother while he was sick, they missed a lot of school. And at their

Old school, the teachers were like, we understand your brother had cancer. You pass these tests, we'll pass you to the next grade. When they moved up to Houston, they was like, girl, you didn't take enough classes. You're going back to the same grade. So now Jennifer's feeling a little defeated. Like, come on now, I'm smart.

And now I kind of feel like I got held back twice. Like, I already started school late. I was already, like, the oldest, and now I'm about to be, like, obviously out of my class. She's like, I'm 15 years old. I'm in the eighth grade. Like, that don't make no sense. It's embarrassing. It's ugh. And I'm in this new town. They gonna think I'm stupid. Like, they don't know what the fuck was going on with me and why I was held back or whatever. And they kind of came from a quiet life. Like, they were Jehovah's Witness. They were shielded from a lot of things, right?

And she was like, Houston took us fast. And she was just kind of like, big city, new life, mom's busy, it's just me and Kim and we out here thugging it, you know? They said that, like, sometimes...

Jennifer would be in trouble. But like, if mom is at work, who's going to tell her now? How are you going to tell me that I'm on punishment? You have to go to work. And her mom had to rely on the girls to really she had to rely on their word that they were going to go to school. She had to rely on their words. They were going to stay at the house and do what they had to do because she's the only adult and she's the only breadwinner. She has to go to work. She can't say, oh, no, I can't go to work because you're on punishment. And I think her mom would come in from time to time.

to help, but still. The girls was kind of, and I'm not going to say like they was bad, but they took advantage of the free time. But that's what kids do. They test the limits. And especially kids who are grieving through shit, you know what I mean? Like, they act out because they don't know how to process their emotions or whatever. And so she was like, I just lost my brother, her brother who she was extremely close to. Yep.

and I'm in this big new city. I'm trying to, like, prove myself because, one, I'm behind. And she was like, so I kind of, you know, started hanging out with people. And she was like, you know, I don't think she necessarily knew how hood it was then, but she was like,

this is stuff I ain't seen before. She was like, I ain't never seen people smoking weed and now people smoking weed and, you know, just, she was like, I ain't never seen drugs being sold. But the thing was, it's crazy. Their mom really didn't even see that because she was gone so much. She was like, you know, I thought the neighborhood was fine. She was like, I thought

It was all right. You know what I'm saying? But like the girls, they were seeing another side of it because they were thrust in that environment and they were in that environment at all times. And Jennifer is like, I kind of just had to act like I knew what was going on. You know when you know that you ain't used to something, but you're not about to let everybody else know that you don't know because they're going to act like you're all naive and shit. She's like, yeah, whatever.

You know, I'm used to this shit. I'm going to play it cool or whatever. I ain't going to act like I'm scared or uncomfortable because ain't nobody about to call me no bitch or nothing, you know? Right. So she's like, I just kind of took in with it. They would smoke. So I'm like, yeah, of course I smoke. Who doesn't? You know, just really trying to keep up or whatever, right? So they had this first apartment in Houston and it was a decent sized apartment, but

but drama and tragedy strikes again and there was a fire underneath them in the apartment below them so they ended up having to move so they moved to the Green Arbor Apartments in Houston, Texas that is so stressful like catch a break please please give me a break so they end up moving to the Green Arbor Apartments in Houston, Texas and

And they, again, made neighborhood friends. And the mom, you know, thought this was a safe neighborhood or whatever. It's a little bit better, you know. It wasn't as bad as their first apartment. They're not seeing drugs as active all the time. But, you know, still mom didn't know what was going on. She just had no way of doing that because she was trying to make money. And then her mom said she became close with this woman, Eva Mondragon-Harris.

She was like, she was just this girl around the neighborhood. She would watch the kids from time to time. And Jennifer kind of grew close to her. And so I would just let her stay out, you know? I don't know why a 15-year-old is hanging out with a 24-year-old and calling this person their friend. Right. Babysitter, watching her, that's one thing. But friend? That's not your friend. That's not your friend. I mean, I guess when I used to watch Jay, she'd be like, no, we're friends. But...

I just... But Jay didn't become your actual friend until she was an adult. She wasn't your friend at 15. Right. But see, is it Eva calling her her friend or is it Jennifer calling her her friend? You know? But she spent a lot of time over there. There's this thing called Truth and Justice. It's a podcast with Bob Ruff. And Jennifer's mom and Jennifer speaks on the podcast. And it's really interesting if you guys check it out. And...

which is Jennifer's sister, Kim and her mom got into it because Kimberly, you know, she's a little bit older. She's wanting to talk to boys. She's leaving the house and spending the night with a couple friends because mom is like trying to put her foot down. But Kimberly's like, how you don't

Don't tell me I can't talk to boys. Hey, how you gonna stop me? So on October 28th, 1996, which was a few days after Kim and their mom get into it, Jennifer ends up sleeping over at Eva Mondragon's house. They're like having a sleepover, but there are also a few guys there at the sleepover. In the morning, Jennifer woke up and she had a page on her pager. And that page was to call her uncle. And her uncle's name is Craig Peters.

And she calls him. She tries to use Eva's phone, but Eva's phone wasn't working. So she goes to a neighbor's house, this neighbor named Janet Dorsey. And she's like, hey, you know, can I use your phone? I'm sorry. I can call my uncle back.

So she calls her uncle back and she waits about, he doesn't answer. She waits about 30 minutes and he calls back. They talk. He said, according to him, he said, you know, we had a basic regular conversation. There's really no details about their conversation other than it was a basic regular conversation. And then Jennifer stayed, chatted with Jennifer a little while and then she left. Now, when she left her apartment, she goes back to Eva's apartment and she's

You know how apartment complexes, like, it's the two apartments on the bottom and it's the two apartments on the top and there's going upstairs and it's the railing. Like, and...

Eva is hanging, like, over the railing. She's looking over the railing, and she's like, oh, my God, oh, my God. She's screaming. She's like, oh, my God, oh, my God. I need to go get help. And Jennifer is like, what's going on? And she looks over, and she sees that the downstairs neighbor is an old lady named Miss Palomina. And in Miss Palomina's apartment, what she can see is that the screen door was off track and that there was a chute in the hallway. And this screen door, like, when you see it, it looks like it had been either kicked in

kicked out. You can tell that where the handle is, there has been some kicking. So there's clearly a sign of some type of forced entry into this house. And there's a shoe. So Eva goes to get help. She goes to get the maintenance guys and the apartment manager. And they come. They knock on the door. No response. So they're like, okay, no one's answering. They jump over like the back patio fence area and they enter the home.

And Jennifer said when she got into the house, she followed all of them, and they saw Miss Palomino's body in the doorway. So her feet were facing the living room, and her head was facing that doorway. There was broken pottery around her. Jennifer said that she didn't see blood, bloodstains.

And she didn't check and see if she was alive. You know, there were adults there. So there was no need for her to check and see if there were signs of life. And the apartment manager told Eva and Jennifer to leave and go back upstairs. Like they were going to handle this. So they left. They went back upstairs. And that's when, according to Jennifer, Eva's like, all right, this is what you're going to say to the police. She told her, you are going to tell them that we were together this entire time.

and do not give the police any more information, even if they ask for it. She says, listen, you need to do this exactly how I say, because our lives are in danger. Which, at 15, what do you mean my life is in danger?

Okay, whatever you say. You know what I mean? Like, how's my life in danger if I didn't do nothing? I've got a lot of questions, but I guess this is also somebody she trusted and called a friend and was older and an influence in her life. Right. Because, I mean, like, Eva's 24. And to a 15-year-old, a 24-year-old has, like, grown-up life experience. Now, somebody that is past me, who is past the age of 24, knows that I don't know shit. Shit. Don't know shit on a stick.

Like, nothing. But to a 15-year-old, it seems that way. And so everything was happening so fast. You know, the police are obviously on the way. And Jennifer was like, okay, you know, when the police come and talk to all of us, me, you, and the two niggas that was in the house, we're all going to have the same statement. We're all together, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, Houston PD, of course, is on their way. They're headed to this Green Arbor apartment to investigate the death. Now, when they arrive, of course, they find the police.

body. They find a messy scene. Did you see the crime scene video I sent you? It's, I put it in our chat. It's silent, but it's a good indicator. It just shows people standing outside. The body is blurred. But what I didn't see was a shit ton of blood. Anyways, when the police arrive, they go to the apartment. Of course, it's a bloody messy scene. There's broken ceramic

pottery pieces everywhere. Miss Palomina's glasses and blood splatters are next to her body. I mean, in the kitchen, there is an open drawer and it contained knives. And in that area was also some blood spatter. So you can tell that there was a bit of a struggle. It's not just contained to one specific area. They observed blood on the walls. There were two different purses on the table and they took fingerprints. They took blood. They took fiber samples. They took everything they needed so that they could go and take it to the lab for testing.

Now, when Ms. Palomina had her autopsy, they found out the cause of death was multiple sharp force injuries associated with blunt force trauma to the head. She had also been stabbed multiple times. So it's the day after the murder, which is October 30th, 1996. The police asked the witnesses in the neighborhood for information.

And Eva Mondragon, she had her story and she was ready to tell it. Now, this is what Eva told the police. She told the police that Jennifer and Kenneth, who is, you know, Jennifer's boyfriend, and two other guys spent the night at her apartment. And on Monday, which was the day of the murder, Eva and the two boys were awakened by the screams from Miss Palomino's apartment. They ran outside. They stood in the stair railing. They looked down and they're like, you know, Miss Palomino, is everything okay?

And she was like, and then I heard this faint voice saying, I'm okay. I just fell and hit my head. She was like, you know, it didn't really sound like her, but it was some type of unfamiliar voice. But she was like, oh, I hit my head. And

And Eva was like, after I heard that, I ran down, you know, old lady failed. So I ran down and got the apartment manager to get help. She's like, and when I got back, the two brothers, the two guys that were standing outside, they were waiting on Miss Palomina and they were with Jennifer. So it was the guys, Jennifer, waiting on me to come back with the maintenance man. So they're like, all right, okay, let's get these people down here. Let's actually get Jennifer. Jennifer, come on down here.

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So the police come back and they're like, okay, we need Jennifer's statement to see what happened this day. So Jennifer lies and she says exactly what Eva instructed her to say. She says she was woken up by some screams. She jumps over the balcony of Miss Palomina's and she saw her body laying there. And that's when she went through the drawers and two purses looking for pen and paper to write down what she saw. This is all completely false, but she's just saying it because Eva told her to. And

And because their lives were in danger, right? So she was like, yeah, I'm just, I'm doing this so y'all can have a clear picture of what happened. Still, same day of the murder and Detective Roy Swanson goes back and he's like, Jennifer, we actually have some more questions for you. And they're like, we're taking you and Pharrelli, Jennifer's boyfriend's brother, to the station for more questioning. And Jennifer's grandmother was at the house and was like,

Her mom was at work. And so Jennifer's grandmother was at the house and she was like, oh, who are you taking her? Can I follow? I mean, she was like, can I go with her? And they was like, we actually don't have any room in the squad car for you. And Jennifer, she remembers this clear as day. She said it was a brand new Ford Taurus, the cop car. And it still had the new car smell. And they said there was not enough room for her grandmother. And her grandmother says...

With Jennifer. With Jennifer. Which, that shit right there would have sent me in a tizzy. Because where the fuck y'all going? With this child. With the... With this child.

You ain't tell me where she was going. And see, the thing is. We're not from here, so I'm clearly asking because I don't know. Right. The thing is, they're not from Houston, so they don't know where this police station is. They don't know where to go. It's 1996, so it's not like they can just pull it up on their phone and figure it out. Like, she doesn't know where to go. All she has is this business card saying where the office is. And she's just like, I know what to do. I know where to find her.

And then the mama ain't got no cell phone. So the mama doesn't even find out what happens until she comes home from work. Imagine coming home from work and your mama sitting there telling you, so Jennifer came home today because remember she hadn't been home in a couple days. Jennifer came home today and cops came and took her out of here. Like what the fuck happened while I was at work? Like what?

So back at the police station, Detective Swainson and Sergeant Wayman Allen, they're going back and forth with her, drilling her with questions, drilling her with questions. Jennifer has no lawyer. Jennifer has no adult. It is just her and these two cops in this room, right? So according to the court documents, they interviewed her for three hours and 45 minutes, and she was never alone in interrogation. This is not videotaped.

It is not audio recorded. There's no proof of how long she's been in there. But if you ask her sister, Kim, she says they came and took her at 10 that morning, right? To start the questioning. She said the reason why they said that they came and got her at three is because they did not stop questioning her until six. And it's actually illegal. And it's considered coercion if you question somebody for more than six hours. And so they...

Especially a minor. They shortened it to make it seem like they were on track. But she was like, mm-mm, she got picked up at 10. She'd been there. They asking her what happened, what happened, what happened. And she's lying over and over again, keeps telling the same story that Eva has shoved down her throat. And she's like, she's like,

She just woke by the screams, went over there, rifled through her shit. That's it. That's all happened. They're like, girl, you are lying. Now, another thing that her sister Kim mentioned was that it's also illegal if you're questioning a minor. If they say something incriminating or that makes them sound guilty, you have to inform the parents. Yep. Which also did not happen. Nope.

So Jackie, Jennifer's mom, is calling up there during the day and the police are telling her that they're questioning her. They're like, oh, yeah, we're questioning Jennifer, but it's no need to come down. We'll be done with her in about 30 minutes. She was like, 30 minutes will go by. And I'd call again and they were like, oh, she's fine. They're like, oh, you know, she's in good hands. We're taking care of her. And she's like, OK. She's like, we'll bring her back in about 30 minutes. We're finishing up here about 30 minutes. OK. 30 minutes will go by. She would call up again.

Oh, she's in good hands. We'll bring her by in 30 minutes. The way that my mother... My mama did not play about me, okay? That would have never went down like that. And I'm not going to sit here and blame her on because you just don't know, but, like, can see in that shock not knowing your rights, especially because ignorance is no defense, and they will use the fact that you are ignorant about something to their advantage. Mm-hmm. So I'm not here to point fingers, but I know that...

Her ass would have been so quickly hunting down everybody. Where the fuck is my child? Who the fuck told you to take her? Why the fuck ain't I there?

Like, it just would not have. Ain't no way. Ain't no way. The way that they say they called up there and it was like, oh, we coming. Oh, we coming. Oh, we coming. First of all, when I asked you the first time, you should have let me know where she was at. Ain't no don't worry about it. She in good hands. She ain't in good hands until she in my hands, nigga. How about that? She is innocent right now. You are questioning a innocent until proven guilty child.

Like, she's not even 16. Like, she don't even... Yeah, the age of consent in Texas is 17, so she ain't even at the age of consent. Like, you can't do nothing with her. Not without an adult present. Not without an adult with her best interest present. She still need her field trip slip signed. Right. Y'all are questioning this girl. They ask her why she went through the purse and why were her fingerprints on the drawer where the murder weapon was.

And she's like, I don't have an explanation for that because I don't know. I didn't touch the victim. And they were like, we think that you're lying. And she was like, I kept telling them I maintained that statement that I didn't know anything, that I didn't touch the victim. But they told me that they had fingerprints on me and I panicked. So I came up with

these new statements. So she changed her story to story number two. Yeah, her story number one from Taz. Now story number two, she says that her and Ava came back from the manager's office and Ava told her to go over the fence and into the apartment and check on Miss Palomina before the maintenance guy arrived on the scene. And Jennifer said, I moved a piece of broken pottery that was on Miss Palomina's neck and

And she said she picked up the purse and put it in the chair because that's what Ava told her to do. And then when the managers arrived, they were like, all right, y'all need to go ahead and leave the apartment.

And so the sergeant, Sergeant Allen, asked Jennifer if she had ever been inside of Miss Palomita's kitchen. And she said that she had forgotten to tell. She was like, oh, I forgot to tell y'all that, you know, I went into the kitchen and I went into the kitchen because I went to go get a pen, like a writing pen. And she was like, and Ava, she told me to write down everything that I saw when I was inside of the apartment. So that's what happened.

And Ava told me that the police were going to ask for her statements. She was like, go in there, get a pen, write down everything that you see while you're in there. And so the police was like, let me hound you a little bit more. So they hound her a little bit more. Good cop, bad cop, bad cop, bad cop, bad cop, worse cop, I don't fucking know. And they're tag teaming her. You know, the officers, you know how that shit go. And Jennifer was like, she just did not get a break. It was just nonstop pushing. Right. And so finally she has to go to the restroom. She goes to the restroom. She's like, fuck.

fucking stressed out. She goes in there, splashes some water on her face, tries to calm down. And then she's like, okay, I'm ready for, here's a different story. This is what really happened. And she tells him the third story. Now, all during this time, she does not know

that she is allowed to have a lawyer because they keep telling her, well, you're not in trouble. Why would you need a lawyer if you're in trouble? If you're not, you don't, you didn't do anything wrong. We just need you to help us. We're just trying to figure out the facts and we just need your help to figure out the facts. So there's no reason. There's no need for any of that. And there's this book, y'all, called Ignorance is No Defense. And I think it's just like Georgia laws. Do you know that book? Yeah, because Mr. Bowtie had us all talking about it. Who's Mr. Bowtie? Yeah.

Oh, I know Bowtie. Exactly. They sit there, did a whole little pep rally on it. Even before we went to Tucker, when I was in middle school and we were taking Georgia History, our Georgia History teacher, she would read a different law from the book because you have the right to know. If you don't know, that don't change shit. It doesn't change anything. It's like saying, oh, I didn't know that murder was bad.

oh, I didn't know that running this red light was bad. Ignorance is no defense. Just like, oh, I didn't know that. And so she didn't know that she could have a lawyer. So she tells them the third statement. So the third statement is...

That Eva talked about roughing up Miss Palomina because she know how I like to tussle. No, she talked about roughing up Miss Palomina because she complained about the noise in Eva's apartment. Jennifer said after returning to Eva's apartment and making a phone call to Craig Peters, she saw Eva and Frank coming over the patio fence.

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No. And she was like, I just didn't know what to do. She's like, I didn't know how to get there to go up there and be with her. Right. So all the while, they're still questioning Jennifer. And they're like, listen, girl, we got your fingerprints and your blood saying that you was there, saying that you was there and that you was involved. So we know you're lying. And Jennifer's like,

But I'm not. Like, this is what happened. I wasn't there. I didn't hurt this lady. I don't know what else you want me to tell you. It was like, you're going to have to tell us the truth or something, girl. Because this ain't it. And so she's like, okay. She finally is like, I'll tell you what you want to hear. I'm ready to tell y'all what happened. And the police are like, oh.

Alrighty, we are listening. She's exhausted. Remember, the police are like, all we need is for you to tell us what's going on. Tell us what actually happened. You can go home. Aren't you ready to go home? Absolutely. And so she's like, all right, if I tell you this, I can go home. They're like, tell us this and you can go home. She's like, okay, this is what happened. Remember, y'all, we're on statement number four. She said, okay, Ernest and Tim and Jennifer, these three together,

They had planned to steal Miss Palomina's car and they didn't want to break in the car. So they were like, OK, let's go ahead and rob Miss Palomina. Let's tie her up, get her and get her car keys. And they were like, Jennifer, we need you to be the lookout. Make sure, you know, nobody comes. And Jennifer agreed to be the lookout. And she was like, you know, I'll be at the lookout. You know, give me a little money when y'all sell the car. And they're like, all right, bet.

So Jennifer thought that the robbery was going to happen on Monday night, but on Monday night when she was spending the night, the guys didn't show up. So on Tuesday, she ran into the two guys on the way back from Eva's apartment and those three together, so Jennifer, Ernest, and Tim together went into the apartment and decided to rob Miss Palomina. Jennifer and the two guys, they went over her little back patio fence and they entered the apartment.

She screamed and Ernest hit her with that clay pot. Jennifer and Tim, they're looking for the keys. They're trying to find the car keys. And they go and get a knife from the kitchen drawer. Tim grabbed the knife, gave the knife to Ernest, and Ernest stabbed Miss Palomino. Jennifer then went inside Miss Palomino's apartment when Eva came down the stairs and asked if Miss Palomino was okay. And...

For all those statements, they were like, oh, you know, Jennifer made, Ava was like, is everything all right down there? And Ernest was the one, it was his voice. It was like, oh, I'm fine. I just broke my head. So it was Ernest trying to be like a woman's voice. So we're on statement number four. Clearly y'all heard him. The story has changed each and every time.

She's tired. I'm tired. And remember, she's a 15-year-old sitting alone, no parent, no lawyer, exhausted. And they're like, great. We got what we wanted from her. Now, this statement was also put into her court documents because, so the police were like, hmm, this is a statement that we want to hear. This is a story that, you know, helps solve a crime. So instead of

Her writing that statement, that statement ends up being typed up by police. And they're like, all right, here's your statement. Everything that you said to us, sign this and you can go home. She's 15.

She don't even read what they wrote. She's just like, great, I signed this, I get to go home. Signs it, gives it back to them. I just feel like by the time I was in third grade, my mom was telling me, don't sign shit without reading it first. Even teachers was like, I had a teacher and I tried to sign something and she was like, do you know what it says? No, why are you signing it? And I have kept that with me from here on out. Like,

What does it say? People, you know, people would be like sign here, here, here. You have to slow down because what does it say? Don't tell me to sign here. I was just reading a book where the girl was like getting some big music deals, like her first big like music break or whatever. And the producer was like, all right, you sign this. If you want to read it over with your lawyer, let me know. She's like, oh, I think it's fine. And then start signing. He was like, so you just signed a contract to clean my house. Like, I hope this is a good lesson for you.

Read everything, anything before you sign it. Like, teach your kids young. And if you can't read it, call me. Right. If you can't understand it, find somebody who you trust who can explain it to you. So the detectives type up this statement. Jennifer signs it and...

her mom calls again and the police are like, yeah, she just confessed to this murder. Jennifer's not coming home. And they call and tell Jennifer's mom this somewhere in between like 1 o'clock and 3 o'clock in the morning. Imagine it spent all damn day and at 1 o'clock in the morning police call like, oh yeah, she ain't coming home.

And that very night, they took her to the magistrate and slapped down the paper, the confession. She was charged as an adult for capital murder. Even though she was 15, in the state of Texas, it's below the age to be considered to be charged as an adult. Right.

So she was 15. She should have been charged as a minor. But they were all straight like, we got an easy confession. Let's charge her as an adult. Get this capital murder rolling. And that's crazy because they didn't even, the testimony doesn't even say that she did it, just that she participated in it. And for y'all to jump it up like that, it's like really wild. So she's got this huge charge hanging over her head. She now knows that she's going to be tried as an adult. And now she gets ready to go to trial. Bitch, take it easy.

I'm ready to yell about this public defender. You ready? It's like they play let's catch a nigga with her. Like, she really just got caught in a trap. Jennifer is assigned a public defender that never contacted Jennifer or her mom until the trial. I think the sister said that the public defender visited her one day in jail, all while leading up to her trial trying to prepare the defense.

One time she met with her public defender. She tried to get in touch with him. The inmates who she was in there with, they was like, listen, call your lawyer, collect. They have to pick up. Answered not a single call. Mr. Janet is calling the lawyer saying, hey, can you tell me anything about this case? My baby girl got to get out. What are we doing? He says, you are not Jennifer. I cannot speak to you about her case. Because she's being charged as an adult.

So he's not even talking to the parent. I don't even understand. So Janet couldn't talk to the lawyer. Jennifer couldn't talk to the lawyer or public defender. It's now the day of the trial, right? Of her capital murder trial. Her public defender doesn't call any witnesses. Didn't even reach out to any of the witnesses. Her uncle Craig said, then I was the last person that talked. According to this story and to everybody's understanding, I'm the last person that spoke to her.

that allegedly spoke to her during the time that the crime was happening, nobody has reached out to me. Not a detective, not a lawyer, nobody. They didn't get telephone records to see if a call with him actually happened. I'm sure there are records for pagers. And he didn't challenge any of the police's... And he didn't challenge any of the police's physical evidence. And so... Because the prosecutor...

Had Sergeant Allen on the stand, and he testifies to the three different oral statements that Jennifer said, and says she kept lying, and the reason that she kept lying is because she was guilty. He also said that Jennifer told him that two days prior to the homicide, that some friends had came over to the apartment, and there was a conversation between her and these two other young men concerning Ms. Palomino, her vehicle, and that one of the men, named Ernest,

who she referred to as E, commented about how clean her car was and that he wanted to take it. There was a discussion about, well, why you don't just steal the car? And then that led to the fact that if they smashed out the windows and broke the ignition to steal it, they'd get less money because who wants a damaged car, right? Right.

The state of Texas argued in their closing statement that the statement from Jennifer about the car means that she was not a misinformed child, right? When she signed that second written statement, they said,

This poor little child is someone who, by virtue of her own statement, tells you she had no qualms thinking about acting as a lookout, going into somebody's apartment while she was there, tying a lady up and just stealing her keys. No problem at all. That's what her statement says. He said, that doesn't sound like a child to me. That absolutely sounds like a child to me.

Because, you know, as a child, you'd be like, well, I ain't going to do it, but I'm going to just stand out here. You think you don't got no business in it, not realizing what an accessory to a crime is? Ignorance is no defense. You think I'm not doing it. I'm just standing here and doing a little hootie.

Yeah, and you're going hooty-hoo your ass in prison. Mm-hmm. So on December 5th, 1997, a year after the death of Miss Palomina, Jennifer Jeffely was convicted of capital murder and sentenced to life imprisonment with the eligibility of parole after serving 40 years. So she'll be eligible for parole when she's 55 years old.

In 2004, of course, she's trying to appeal because this is bullshit. And in 2004, seven years after Jennifer was convicted, the Houston Crime Lab sent her a letter that indicated that the DNA in her case was

was that of unknown parties and not her. So the DNA evidence that they convicted her on, that was part of the evidence that they presented that the lawyer did not look into, did not look into and did not question, read. It didn't even belong to her. Had nothing to do with her. So that whole time when they were saying, we have your fingerprints, that was a lie. We have your blood. That was a lie. There was absolutely no evidence

physical evidence connecting her to that crime. There wasn't, you remember, um, Angel Bumpus, there was no tape with a piece of her fingerprint on it. There was nothing, which you would think that would be enough to drop the charge or at least give her an appeal. But I think she's a foul for what, two appeals? Well, in the first appeal, they, they set her up

with the same public defender. The judge gave her the same public defender again. And I was like, listen, this nigga's useless. He didn't do anything for me last time. And the judge said, don't care. So the next time they filed an appeal, they was like, Mrs. Jackie, she was like, I saved my little coins up and I got her a real lawyer. And this lawyer is really ready to go to bat. And he was like, listen, so case needs to be thrown out. First of all, you got ineffective counsel. You have no evidence.

She was a minor. Her whole confession should have been thrown out because her whole confession is illegal. It should have never been admissible. He was like, of course I'm going to get you this appeal. Goes in there, they deny it. He's like, what the fuck, Texas? Like, I don't even understand this shit. Oh, that country, the country of Texas is honestly just...

They're going to be like, Texas is in a country? She has yet to have a successful appeal. Yeah, so she's still got 15 years left. And she spent the last 24 years of her life in jail. At the age of 15, she has grown up and has been raised by the prison system. She's never been on a date. She's never driven a car. She...

She didn't get to experience life. She didn't qualify to go to college and prison because of the length of her time. So her mom had to pay out of pocket. But she was very determined while in jail. She got her GED at a

17. She started college at 18. She got... Two associates. Two associates. Dual degrees. She got in business management and general studies. She started a facilitated class called STAND, which stands for Assistive Taking a New Direction. And it helps teach and learn about dysfunctional relationships and help women not latch onto...

abusive relationships. I wonder if that stems from her relationship with Eva. Well, she was talking about, I remember her interview, she was talking about how

Well, she was talking about how a lot of the people, when you go through such a tragic loss, like she lost her brothers and you're just looking to fill that void. And sometimes you feel that void with a toxic situation, with a dysfunctional situation versus learning how to properly heal from trauma. And I think that that's kind of her basis for that program that she created. Yeah.

She, uh, she, uh, when she originally got there, she was like, I was encouraged to fight, to get in trouble, to participate in homosexual activities. And she was like, but I didn't do any of that. She, she really just wanted to participate in homosexual activities. Listen, Big Bertha, Big Bertha, come out, boo. Come out.

She said she's had just about every job you can have in prison. She done did laundry. She done been a cook. She was a peer educator, graphic designer, lead cook, been out in the field. She done did it all. Anything she can teach you how to do it. Chemical worker, yard worker. She said she's done everything except for a trustee position. She says right now she's looking to mentor people with long sentences to be better when they get out.

She became a board member of BCMA, which stands for Breaking Chains and Making Amends. And they find scholarships for the children of incarcerated people, which I thought that was really nice. That's really nice. That's really great. As of May 2021, she has been working in the laundry department. She's been in hobby prison for the last 16 years and will be there until successful appeal, clemency or exoneration.

You can learn more and help aid Jennifer in her case at www.justiceforjenniferjeffley.com. Jeffley is spelled J-E-F-F-L-E-Y. She feels confident that one day her conviction will be overturned and she'll be able to go home.

I would sure as hell hope so, because I haven't really heard any evidence of why she should be there in the first place. Even if she was involved, y'all did it all fucking wrong. Y'all got her wrong. You did it all completely wrong. And the fact that Texas won't even revisit that and look into that? If you went through the court of law how you were supposed to, if you did everything, if there was a lawyer or an adult there present with her, if she had a proper counsel throughout the entire process, if she was charged the way that she should have been charged...

and she was found guilty, that's one thing. We can do that. But I can't even see that because all I'm blurred out by is the fact that you had a minor child in a question room for over nine hours without a parent, misleading that child without a parent, without a lawyer, misleading the parent, typing up a document for this child to sign, and then putting her in federal prison. The fact that there is so much evidence and physical evidence that there are no matches to this,

This stuff like this happens all the time where people are

And that's why the prison system is so broken. Like, you want them—you want to get those prison walls filled up so badly that you're not worried about the justice. Ms. Palomino's family, they don't get any type of closure because we did the research. There is, like, nothing on this woman that we could even give you a story of who she was because it's so saturated with the fact that you fucked up in her case, that no one was able to honor her life like you should have. Her death is now associated with a mishandle of justice.

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I didn't do it, but if I did, this is how I would have got away with it. I mean, I'm so sorry, y'all. Can y'all call my mama? Didn't my grandma say that she was on the way? I'm just letting the fuck up till my mama can come. My grandma said that she was on her way, right? Is she close? Right. I really don't think I should speak until they get here. God, and you just don't know when you don't have any type of interaction with the police and you don't have any type of...

They start teaching police, like, real police safety in eighth grade. We started learning... But Black police safety is different than the police safety that they teach you in school. But when you're from a sheltered environment...

When you're from a sheltered environment like Jehovah's Witness, I'm assuming, you don't get exposed to that as often. You're sheltered. You don't think that there is an issue. You think if you're just playing your life right, why do you need to prepare for that shit? Exactly. But tragedy... I mean, this family obviously knows that tragedy can strike at any time in any way, shape, or form. And it's just...

I feel so horrible for this family as a whole. I ain't do it. But if I did, like, I don't think I wouldn't be covering for no bitch that I've only known for three months. I don't care if you're a friend of mine or not. Like, we don't know each other that well. But also, you 15 and impressionable. Trying to fit in. Trying to fit in. That's going to, that is going to be, that is literally the demise of a lot of teenagers. Trying to fit in with people that don't know shit. And they're not going to admit that they don't know shit. I'm,

You still... I didn't know shit at 15, but when I was 15, you couldn't tell me nothing. I knew it all. Mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm. You know what? I didn't do it. But if I did, I'm gonna run. I ain't saying shit till my mama get there. Um, I... I think when she saw shit was fucked up, she should have headed right back over to that house and then, like, or went home. I don't think I would have even waited around for the police. I would have been like...

Looks like a whole bunch of shit that I don't want to be caught up on. I'm going to head out. Y'all do you. Keep it cute. I want to hear the story tomorrow. I don't want nothing to do with it. I'm going home. So, I don't know. I'm not moving unless my mama tell me to. I mean, or her grandmother or somebody, like...

I just feel like she was just, when you're alone like that, just because your parents are working and you have to just make these split decisions on your own, you rarely make the right decision. And with kids, especially teenagers, rarely is your first instinct, let me call my mama. Like my mama always was like, and it was a rule, like if some shit goes down,

you need to be the first person to call me. You need to be the first person in contact with me to let me know before I hear from anybody else. Like, when something goes down at school, I need to hear from you. You need to go and figure out how to get in contact with me before the school calls me. You need to go and get in contact with me before the police call me. And then that's the scariest call to make, but please don't be mad at me. Yeah!

Like, I am just trying to do what you told me to do, but you're about to get a really bad phone call. And I'm supposed to call you to get yelled at. I think I think I think that's part of what a lot of kids go wrong is that fear of either disappointing or getting trouble. I just wish and I don't know if it's because her mom trusted the police at that time or whatever, but I just and again, I don't want to blame the mom. She's

I think she was really just trying to get by. Like, she's had a rough couple of years. She's struggling. She's trying to dig herself out of a hole and build her credit up. And she's working all the time. And just, she's not thinking anything's wrong. The police are ensuring her that everything's okay. But I just, I remember being at a soccer game one time. And I got laid the fuck out. And in soccer...

You keep playing until the whistle blows and they won't, they won't blow the whistle unless they see that you're super hurt, but you're like out of sportsmanship. If you see that somebody's down and they're not getting up, you kick the ball out so that the game stops. Okay. And, and,

I was laid out and nobody kicked the ball out. And my mom comes running on that field and the ref was like, ma'am, you can't come over here. She said, shut the fuck up talking to me because my kid on the ground. Like, she don't play about me. And there's no way I would have been in some jail at 15 and she didn't know where I was at and she was not raising hell.

You know, let me talk to your supervisor because I done called you one too many times to figure out where my child is at and I still don't know where she's at. That part. You cannot take a child and not inform the parent of where that child is. And now because, oh, bitch, we ain't even say it. This new lawyer, the one that is really going hard for her, was trying to find the court documents, the court records, right? Why are they sealed?

Right, talking about because she was a minor. But she was a minor when you charged her ass? You charged her as an adult, so these are adult records. So they should not be sealed. So you see this huge mishandle of justice that has this... She has now spent, what, 20-something years behind prison? She has been in prison more than she has been out of prison. Isn't that crazy? Like, that is...

Wild. And I really, you know, in my heart of hearts, bro, I feel like Ava and them other niggas did it.

Eva. I feel like Eva, whatever her fucking name is, Eva and them other niggas did it. And they were thinking like niggas. And they were like, if this child goes... It's street thinking. If this child goes down for it, she's charged as a minor, her life isn't taken away from her forever. She'll get a couple years, she'll get a little bit of a bid, and she'll be back out. But if we do it, you know, we get in life. They weren't expecting that to happen. Now...

crime watch did couldn't reach was trying to reach out to her trying to get a statement she wouldn't reach out back to them I mean she wouldn't speak to them but she was like but she spoke to them over the phone she didn't want to be recorded because she was worried about safety concerns but if you ain't do nothing why you scared mm-hmm

If you didn't do nothing, then why are you scared? And if... You scared they're going to get a DNA sample? And she said that she was just so sure that Jennifer was involved. And of course it was Jennifer. Eva actually said that, I ain't tell Jennifer to lie. Jennifer asked me to lie. And I said, girl, I ain't lying for you and going to jail. Like, complete flip the script. If you are so sure that Jennifer did it, what safety are you worried about on the outside? Exactly. If you have no... Listen...

If I don't know a bitch like that and you want me to lie for you, I'm not. If I don't know you like that and you ask me to lie for you, I'm not. And if I know that I have the truth, nobody can fight me on the truth. What they say, the truth will set you free. But first, it'll piss you off. Bad bitches want to be my bae. Naughty bitches in prison all day.

No, but she said, I know what I saw. She said that Jennifer had blood on her hands. She ran home, changed clothes, came back before the police arrived and told her to lie for her. Now, this would be wonderful if she was put on as a witness in court and we could actually have her under oath instead of her just talking to some random ass reporter. So we don't know if this is truth or not. Like I said, I don't know.

There is no way for us to say if she's actually, actually innocent or guilty. But what we can say is this was a grave mishandle of justice. And for that, this case should be, if not thrown out, completely wiped and looked at again through the lens of justice, the way that it's supposed to be served. However, we're talking about Texas and America and Black women.

And it's like, why are you so pressed after a child? Like, they really be thinking that Black children are the menaces of society. And they're just like, Black child, get her out of there. It's just, this whole case, it just didn't make sense. What's our next part? Parole, no parole. Parole her, set her free, exonerate her, clear all the charges, send that shit to reach out and cancel all of the shit that you tried the first time because it was all illegal.

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75 of them are like a month old. And I'm like, oh, it's not that I hate you all. It's just that I'm lazy. Not to say lazy. It's just I'm exhausted. And Lordy B. But anyways, we love you all. And they're in there. Some people are like, finally made it in. And then literally like 24 hours later, it was back up to 25 people. Like, the people. And it's starting to get life back in the group. It is. It is. It's starting to come back around. Yeah. After I had to put it in.

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