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Sometimes dead is better. Pet Cemetery. Bloodlines. Rated R. Streaming only on Paramount+. Our players this week are Derek Flemings, a friend. Lakeisha Collings, a friend and Derek's girlfriend. Catherine Calhoun, Laquita's sister. Terrence Jones, a friend. Jeanette Daniels, the neighbor slash babysitter. Navon Foster, baby daddy number one.

Darrell Short, baby daddy number two, Alonzo Jones, the victim, and Laquita Calhoun, our murderess. All right, this week we are back in Chicago because y'all can't stop murdering up there.

So we're in Chicago, Illinois, where we meet Laquita Calhoun. Now, we don't have much about her background. A lot of the sources that we pulled for this episode is from court documents, appeal documents, all of that. So our story takes place on February 28th, 2004. Laquita is 23 years old at the time, and she currently has five children, ages 7, 6, 4, 2, and 1.

On February 28, 2004, she gets off of work and she picks her children up from her neighbor Jeanette's house. So Jeanette, she had, you know, watching her kids or whatever. And so from time to time, Jeanette will help her because Jeanette had kids of her own. She picks up the children and then she starts getting dinner prepared. She starts getting her family together for their nightly routine, you know, shower, brush your teeth, eat dinner, all that good stuff.

So while she is running, she runs the bath water for her youngest child. And then she starts giving her youngest daughter, who's a toddler, a bath. And she starts giving her infant a bath. And she starts noticing that something is off. And I'm sure most of y'all can relate. Like mamas be knowing they can see a bruise on you from a mile away. So she noticed that her baby, that her private parts were swollen. And she's like, what?

hold on baby come here and she realizes not only are the baby's private parts swollen but they're completely stretched out so this like immediately infuriates Laquita she's like absolutely what the hell just happened to my child she goes to the neighbor's house to Jeanette's house and she's like what the fuck happened here and when she's at Jeanette's house Laquita's sister Catherine is there as well as their friend Lakeisha and this nigga Alonzo that stays with them that's been staying at Jeanette's house

Laquita asks Alonzo whether he had done something to her baby and Alonzo responds that he didn't want to say it in front of the others. So they go into the back room where Alonzo admits to Laquita that he did it to the baby. While they're in the back room, Derek Flemons, who is Laquisha's boyfriend, he shows up because he's

He's looking for his girlfriend, Lakeisha, and they're about to play cards in this upstairs apartment. They're about to have a card night in a different apartment. When he arrives, she's like, you know, something's going on, so stick around. Laquita walks from the back room, and she is pissed. She tells everybody at that moment exactly that Alonzo raped her child and that he admitted it to her. Jeanette says, yeah, I believe it because he did that same thing to my baby. So Laquita looks at Jeanette and is like, so why is this nigga living here?

And Jeanette doesn't really say anything. She just starts breaking down and crying. They come from the back room. At this point...

Laquita has already thrown a couple of blows at Alonzo, already been hitting him. Her sister Catherine is already in, yelling, questioning, asking, what's happening? What did you do? How dare you do this? And yelling at him. Hearing all the commotion, Terrence Jones comes to the apartment door like, what's wrong? What's wrong? What's going on around here? They tell Terrence what happened. He's like, oh, word? So Terrence goes to Alonzo and he's like, yo, you doing shit to kids? You know, you touching little kids and shit? He's asking Alonzo if it's true.

Now, even though Alonzo denied having molested the baby to Terrence, Terrence starts beating his ass anyways. He's hitting Alonzo's legs and arms with a broom, and Laquita comes in and kicks Alonzo in the face. Terrence then tries to sodomize Alonzo with the broomstick handle, asking him why he's messing with kids, and he gonna show him how it feels, right? So with the metal broomstick, he's hitting him. He kicks him in the testicles.

Some real like eye for eye type of shit. Like you're going to do it. I'm going to do it to you. He gets the middle room and he hits him. He kicks him in the nuts. And then he's like, Laquita's in the back now. She's like, he deserved this. He molested my child. I want him dead. I want him dead. After this, Laquita hits Alonzo two more times with her fist. And then she goes to the back room. She's back there trying to call her youngest daughter's father, Daryl, and tell him what happened. Catherine, I remember that's Laquita's sister, says,

said that she tried to phone her baby daddy so that he could jump on Alonzo. So while this is happening, Lakeisha starts to feeling bad, and she opens the door and tells Alonzo to run. Terrence is like, hell no, Laquita. Alonzo trying to make a run for it. Let's get him. So they run outside after him. They catch him. He makes it down to, like, the first floor landing.

And they drag his ass back in the house. Yeah, so they made it and he was like woozy because he was already getting his ass beat. So he's like kind of out of it. He's, you know, not all the way there. And Laquita, she hits him with the broomstick outside and then kind of like chokes him from the back and drags him back up into the apartment. After that point, Derek stated that at that point he...

He was like, all right, Lakeisha, I'm about to take our kid and I'm about to leave the house and I'm about to go take our kid to the apartment. And Lakeisha drives Derek and her son home. Once Lakeisha's at the apartment, Lakeisha's like, all right, Derek, you stay here with our baby or whatever. And I'm going to return to the house and I'm just going to make sure that everything just calms down. Like I'm going to make sure everything's straight.

Before Lakeisha returns back to the house, she's riding around. She's trying to find Laquita's baby daddy. She's trying to find Darrell. She finally finds him and she's like, Darrell, somebody been fumbling with your baby. You need to come with me or whatever. But he kind of refuses to go.

He don't... Because she saw him. She talked to him, but he doesn't get in the car and comes with. So gets back to the apartment. She's driving Derek's green Pontiac Trans Am. So anyway, she's driving a green Pontiac Trans Am. And they're like, fuck it. We're about to take care of it ourselves. We're going to take him down here. And we're going to put him in the trunk. We're going to take him to the police station. And the whole time, Laquita's like, I want him dead. Like, oh, nigga, you finna feel it. Like, you finna understand these feelings. I want him dead. She's pissed, right? So...

LaKeisha returns to the apartment and everybody grabs a piece of Alonzo and starts putting him into the car. They're like carrying him out. So as they're carrying him out, LaKeisha and Jeanette are holding his arms and Catherine and Terrence are holding his legs. Terrence ends up helping them get in the car and then he leaves or he stays at the apartment.

Lakeisha tells Laquita, like, you know, I dropped Daryl off at home. He's not coming. Let's go ahead and take him somewhere. Everyone gets in the car and they're, like, trying to make a plan. Like, are we going to take him to the police station? Are we going to take him to the hospital? Or are we just going to throw his ass in the lake? Once all the women got inside the car, Laquita said that she didn't want to take Alonzo to the police station because she wanted him dead. They drove to the liquor store at 59th and State Street instead, where Catherine bought herself a drink.

while at the liquor store lakeisha opens the trunk in front of two or three men that she knew from the neighborhood she told them that she needed help and that this man molested a baby when lakeisha opens the trunk alonzo's still alive and talking

Catherine heard what sounded like bottles hitting something. You know, the men outside of the neighborhood, they threw a couple licks on them too. They leave the liquor store and Jeanette reiterates that, you know, Alonzo had molested her child also. Then Jeanette suggests that they go to Lake Michigan. But Laquita was like, nah, I want him dead. So then Jeanette suggests that they can go to Lake Michigan. But Laquita's like, nah, I want him dead.

Which, like, Lake Michigan also means that he'll die, right? Like, you plan on drowning him? Wasn't, how is that, I mean, we can keep going, but, like, if I'm throwing him in the lake, does that also mean that he's going to be dead? No, not if he can swim. I mean, we already beat his ass. I think he's going to be tired.

It's a will to live. According to Catherine, they were driving around in the car and they could hear Alonzo pleading from the trunk. Please take me to the hospital. Take me to the police station. I'm sorry, Cuida. I'm sorry, Jeanette. Laquita responded to his pleas like, I ain't trying to hear that. You gonna die tonight.

Jeanette chimes in, you shouldn't have did what you did. And I feel like Jeanette needs to shut the fuck up because you let her. I was about to be like, she gonna irritate us this entire time, but yeah. LaKeisha then turns up the volume on the radio because like she said, she ain't trying to hear that shit. Soon after this, they get a flat tire and they can't proceed to Lake Michigan anyways, right? So they stop at a gas station to fix it. LaKeisha stated at this point, she starts to imagine her baby crying and what her baby was going through. She was like,

Alonzo was hurting her and he just didn't care. And she gets angry all over again. Laquita gets out the car. She sees a broken bottle on the ground and she picks it up. She opens the trunk and she,

cuts Alonzo a couple times with it twice on his arm and once on his face she sets the trunk and gets back in the car now they're all headed to Laquita's aunt's house to get some money to fix the tire that always saw it while we were writing this it sounded really extreme but like like I feel like I have a strong daydream and when I'm in high emotion like I will daydream and it's

It'll make sometimes it'll make the situation worse because you're just like, oh, I'm so angry and it could have been this. And now I'm imagining this. And the more you think about it, the angrier you get. Right. Especially when you're already pissed off. So they go to the aunt's house and once there, Lakeisha ends up falling asleep. So she don't get back in the vehicle because I guess it took a while for her.

The money exchanged the tires. Laquita then drove Jeanette and Catherine to a gas station on 55th Street in King Drive where they got the flat tire fix before proceeding to pick up Navon. Now, Navon, Laquita went ahead and called Navon, and Navon is Laquita's first baby daddy, so is the father of her oldest children. Catherine tells the police that at this point, they kind of got into an argument with Laquita because, you know, Catherine and Jeanette were like...

I don't want to do this anymore. Like, it's gotten too far. Time to go. So, um, Navon and Jeanette are like, bet let's just drop everybody off at their house and finish what the hell we have to do. Um, while the tire was being replaced, which I think is crazy while the tire was being placed, Alonzo was still in the trunk of the car. And not only that, he was in the trunk of the car and, um,

And Laquita says that she could hear Alonzo asking for help. Not once, but twice. And even then she said that the mechanics didn't hear him. So maybe like, I don't know, she was standing around the car. It's just a flat, you know, they can fix those while you're standing out right in the car. So maybe she kept hitting the top. I don't know. You know, they got them machines and you hear them drills whizzing. Right, so if she was standing by the trunk and maybe it was like a front tire, they wouldn't hear it. At this point, everybody's dropped off.

Alonzo's body is still in the trunk of the car.

Navon is in the driver's seat. Laquita is in the passenger seat. And they make their way to an alley at the corner of like 56th Street and Michigan Avenue. Laquita then opens up the trunk and told Alonzo to get out. Once Alonzo gets out, she gets a stick from the alley and she starts just hitting him. She hits him about 10 times over the head and, you know, is really beating up on him. After a few minutes, she stops and she gets back in the car. Now, at this point, Navon, who's in the driver's seat,

He accidentally put the car in the wrong gear and backed up over Alonzo's body.

and then you know put the car in the right gear and started driving away but then Laquita looks in the rear view mirror and she sees that Alonzo is like alive and crawling like crawling towards the center of this alleyway and so she tells so she and Navon circle around back and they drive over him again. Laquita told the police that she and Navon then drove back to Jeanette's apartment where she let them know what happened and she also called her aunt and told her what happened. A

Alonzo's body was found the following morning near that Michigan Avenue. Now, remember, all of this was happening in Derek's car, who was at Lakeisha's apartment with her kid. Derek says he didn't see Lakeisha again until 4 p.m. the next day. And when he does, Lakeisha's crying, talking about the boy is dead. So he gets to looking in his car, and he immediately sees there's blood all in the door and in the trunk.

On an antifreeze bottle. There's just broken glass in the car with blood on it. His spare tire is gone. There's a can of lytic fluid where the tire should be. It's just, it's all bad. So Derek then panics and he's like, fuck, I'm in a real ass crime scene and it's my fucking car. So he goes to the car wash and he cleans the car out. He cleans out as much blood as he can and he throws away anything else that could possibly be evidence in a nearby dumpster.

I guess this nigga got a guilty conscience or something because they say not long after. We don't know exactly how long after. Derek goes to the police and tells them everything that he saw. He tells the police where he cleaned out his car and where he dumped the contents that were in the car. So on April 13th, 2004, after hearing that there was a warrant out for her involvement in the crime, so Laquita finds out that there's a warrant for her arrest. So she immediately goes and she turns herself into police custody immediately.

Also, her aunt was like, yeah, girl, go ahead and talk to the police. Like, you're going to have to go ahead and do that. So she turns herself into police custody. She gives herself a full confession. And then she also has a videotaped statement that she gives to the police. So after this...

they start handing out indictments left and right. I mean, multiple counts of all of these charges. One of the main charges, of course, was first degree murder through aggravated kidnapping, kidnapping, aggravated battery, and Lakeisha, Navon, Jeanette, Catherine, Laquita, and Terrence got that.

Terrence also got aggravated criminal sexual misconduct and Navon also got possession of a stolen motor vehicle. With statements and indictments coming down, Laquita gets ready for trial. Take that shit to trial, bitch. Take that shit to trial, bitch. Take that shit to trial, bitch. Take that shit to trial.

Okay, so jump to fall 2006 and Laquita is finally on trial. She didn't go up here and of course try and deny it. She did what she did and she stood up in it.

Derek is cross-examined first. He's the first witness. And they questioned him about his testimony in which he admitted that he left the apartment with LaKeisha but did not call the police or anyone else for help because he thought they were just going to take him to the police station. They were talking to him, and they were talking about having him locked up. Now, he said all this before a grand jury, but while on trial, he said he couldn't recall. Right. LaKeisha has...

was next to testify. She had already pled, she did a bench trial, and she was serving her 20-year sentence when she was in court. When questioned about the specifics of the crime, Lakeisha said that she couldn't really recall what happened that night, although she did admit and gave a police videotaped statement shortly after the crime, you know, once they were doing their investigation, and

and acknowledged that the answers that she gave to the police were coarse because she was like the police said that they were gonna lock me up they said they were gonna put Derek up they said that they were gonna put my kids in foster care like they said that they were gonna make sure that my kids suffered and bounced from home to home if I didn't tell them what they wanted to hear and that they were gonna put Derek in prison for murder for a long time when he didn't do anything and I didn't do anything I don't recall so

Because of this, they were just replaying everybody's videotape statements and they replayed hers for the trial. So next they get Laquita's sister up on the stand to testify. Now, Catherine initially refused to answer any of the prosecutor's question on a direct examination. In spite of the court repeatedly telling her she needs to participate and she needs to answer the question, Catherine continued to be uncooperative and was found and was found in contempt of court. I hear that.

I don't know nothing. I don't know shit. I don't know shit. Catherine was recalled later in the trial proceedings and questioned again regarding her prior videotaped statement with the police. Catherine then admitted that she was in Jeanette's apartment at the time of the issue, but refused to give details about Laquita's involvement in the crime.

Because that's her sister. That's her sister. Catherine admits that she did give a videotape statement to the police on March 2nd, 2004, but stated that she only did so because the police told her that if she made a statement, she'd be allowed to leave. And I'm sure they had her there for hours and she was ready to go. Right. Catherine said that many of the statements she made in the videotape were not true and that she made them because she was scared and the police made her say those things by yelling at her.

For example, on a cross-examination, Catherine said that she never planned to kill Alonzo or throw him in Lake Michigan and that she made the statement in her videotape because the police made her do it. She further denied having told the police, one, that Alonzo was being dragged down the stairs to the trunk,

And that she heard Laquita saying, you're going to die. And two, that the following morning, Laquita told her that she cut the victim and that Navon rolled over him four times. So she said it in the video statement, but she's saying in trial that...

She didn't say it. Well, she did say it. But it was coerced. Or they were bullying her into saying it. Right. So once again, they played her tape for the courts. Now, they also called up Azelle Jones. And I know this isn't one of our players. But Azelle Jones is Jeanette's boyfriend. And he was in the back room. Because I guess it was like a three-bedroom apartment. He was in the back room when all the commotion was happening. But he was asleep. Maybe. I don't know. He worked nights or something. I don't know. So...

Um, he was asleep and while the commotion was happening, Jeanette comes to the back room, wakes up her man and was like, Hey, can you tell all these people to leave? Like we haven't, it's commotion out here. Um, so he gets up and when he gets up, he says that in his living room, he sees, um, Lakeisha, Laquita, of course, Jeanette's there, Catherine. And he's like, all right, y'all leave my house. And so they ended up leaving and he goes back, back to sleep. Now, Jeanette, um,

She had a whole different story. Now, Jeanette was initially, when she was arrested, she was initially taken to the psych ward and she was tested because she said that she could not, she could not remember anything from that night. She absolutely has, she blacked out. She has no idea. So they tested her. They said that, you know, that she's severely depressed. And because of that, that she possibly doesn't remember that trauma of that night.

They had a psychiatrist coming to her and talking to her and testing her almost every week. And then after a while, they were like, is she set to stand trial? Because she didn't know the difference between a bench trial and a jury trial, which, okay, also ignorance is no defense. But they also said that she just willingly kept talking and would not use her right to remain silent. So they actually ended up

putting her in a psych ward. She may be a little touched, but that don't mean, you never know. Locked, it's not locked up. Well, I mean, I don't know, girl, because you would literally let your child's rapist stay in your house. So maybe you are a little touched.

But you know what? So Derek testifies that, you know, looking at Alonzo, you could tell he was a little touched, right? Like he slurred his words and stuff. And I think people tend to give that a pass, like they don't know no better. Like I have a cousin who used to kind of touch us inappropriately, and we always kind of like... I kind of talked to my cousins about it, and they was like, oh, he do that to you too? And we told his brother...

And everybody knows he's touched. And he was like, he's not supposed to be doing that to you. And it's like nobody came down on him. It was like, you know, he's a little special, but don't let him do that to you, okay? And it wasn't nothing crazy. Like, he might rub on our butts or some shit. But y'all were also, I mean, that's completely inappropriate, but it's also y'all were old enough to, and had siblings around old enough to be like, hey, is this wrong? Is this right? Let's talk to adults. Is this wrong? Is this right? Well, it took some years for us to realize. Like, at first, it just made us uncomfortable. You know what I'm saying? And I think maybe a few years later, we're like,

It doesn't feel right. And that's when we said something. He was like, no. His brother was like, don't let him do that to you. Yeah. That's wild. But I think people kind of give.

oh, he don't know no better type of past sometimes. And maybe that's what Jeanette, not saying that it's right, but maybe that's what Jeanette was doing. But then to go and say you're going to watch another child and then knowing how that goes, knowing that, one, you haven't called him out on it or done anything about it or put him out your house, the least that you could do is make sure that the child was not left alone with him so that it could happen. Right. I personally feel Jeanette should be charged with neglect.

an endangerment of a child. Yeah, I think she needs her ass beat too. Honestly. Next they call up the expert forensic pathologist and Cook County Assistant Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Mitra Kaliker. I hope I said that right, Dr. Mitra.

Dr. Callagher testifies on March 1st, 2004, that she performed an autopsy on the victim, Alonzo Jones, as they do. And according to the doctor, the from the X X, according to the doctor, the external examination revealed that he had no surprise, numerous blunt force and sharp force traumas on his body, as well as gravel marks all over his body that were consistent with him being run over or and slash or being dragged by a vehicle.

The internal examination showed that Alonzo had extensive rib fractures, lacerations to the right lung, blood inside of his right chest cavity, and hemorrhages underneath his scalp. The doctor also concluded within a reasonable degree of scientific and medical certainty that the victim died as a result of multiple blunt and sharp force traumas to the body, including...

The crushing of his chest. And, of course, the doctor concluded that the manner of death was homicide. So, in the closing arguments, the states are arguing that they have enough evidence to find Laquita guilty of first-degree murder under each of the following theories. Like, she intentionally did it, she knowingly did it, and it's felony murder, right? So...

Although they argued all three theories, they focused on felony murder by saying this is, they said, and I quote, this is the perfect example of felony murder. The felony is kidnapping, and I've seen how Laquita...

And we've seen how LaCleta is guilty of kidnapping. She helps commit that crime. She forces Alonzo down those stairs and puts him in the trunk of her car. And because she's guilty of kidnapping... And it resulted in a murder. Then it's obviously felony murder, right? Right.

So it doesn't matter if she intended for Alonzo to die. You still get that max murder charge. I don't know if you have to get a max, but you still get felony murder. I don't know that felony gives you max, but. Well, the sentencing will tell you what you get. Right. As far as charges, it's. Yeah, but she can still get she can still get that first degree murder as an own felony. So the defense argues that they get a new trial. They're denied on December 16th, 2006.

So upon sentencing, Alonzo's aunt gave a victim impact statement. Usually the victims do to talk about the victim's life, how much they loved him, and hopefully either saying that they forgive and want a lighter sentence or asking the judge to go give a hard sentence. The state argued during the sentencing that the extent of Alonzo's injuries and the fact that Laquita was the ringleader who incited the revenge over

against Alonzo warranted her getting the max sentence. So the state is saying, listen, she, all of this happened because of her. Yes, other people were involved, but she started it. She's the ringleader. Now the defense argued that, listen,

Laquita had absolutely no prior history of violence. She had two charges. One was for drinking as a minor and the other one was because she had a little bit of weed, which who doesn't have a weed charge? And both of those, she didn't do jail time. She just received like supervision. More importantly, the defense urged the court to consider that like Laquita was working under very high emotions and Alonzo did admit to

To having sexually assaulted Laquita's one-year-old daughter. And, like, they're trying to tell the jury, like, that is the reason why she acted the way that she did. That doesn't mean that she is violent in nature. That means that...

she kind of mama bear it out, you know? Counsel also asked the court to consider the impact of Laquita's long, prolonged incarceration would have on the development of her five children. They're like, look, she has five children under the age of 10 and you're going to put her away for, I don't know, 60 years life. How is that going to impact those children? After hearing the arguments and the mitigation and all of that, the trial judge sentences Laquita

to the maximum sentence of 60 years imprisonment for first-degree murder and a consecutive seven-year sentence for kidnapping. In doing so, the judge rejected defense counsel's argument that Laquita had been acting under deep, intense, emotional, and said that she was planned and she was calculated and carried out the murder in a, quote, dispassionate manner. I don't, I didn't.

I guess there can't be passionate murder. The judge stated that Laquita decided that she wanted Alonzo dead and that she took her accomplices on a drive to make sure that that happened. So he's basically like, you're wrong. These are all the ways in which you're wrong. And so because of that, you're going to get the maximum sentence of 60 years.

He told Laquita that she forfeited her right to live among the free society and stated that it was his intention that Laquita would never see the streets again. Laquita, of course, filed an appeal. And basically her argument is sure the defense presented three theories for the murder, the intent, the knowing, and the felony murder. But the jury never clarified which theory they found her guilty on.

Because they spent so much time focusing on the felony murder, she's arguing that if she was charged with felony murder, then the felony is included in the charge. So why, when she got sentenced, did she also get sentenced for an additional kidnapping? That's her argument, right? That's her argument. Okay, y'all, Tazzy and I went out to dinner last night, and we went back and forth over this. Felony murder is committing a crime, and a murder happens during the crime.

So meeting a felony, committing a felony, the felony being kidnapping. So if the felony was kidnapping that made her catch the murder charge and she's already been charged for that in the felony murder.

It's the kidnapping murder, right? So then why is she then getting charged with the kidnapping? Is she trying to argue that it's like double jeopardy? Because I see what she's saying, but in my mind, Mara's mind, I'm like, okay, you have to be found guilty and sentenced with kidnapping in order to be sentenced and found guilty and sentenced for felony murder. But she's arguing that basically they're

It's an included charge. Yeah. Like the felony is in the, it's felony murder.

Now, had they charged her for murder and then charged her for kidnapping, that would be one thing. And that's why she's saying it's important to figure out how the jury found her guilty. Because if they said, oh, you intended to kill him, then that's a, you went out to murder him, and then you committed a felony by kidnapping. But if they charged her on felony murder, then she was kidnapping and he happened to die in the process, then that's just what it is. That's all a combined sentence, right? Shout out to Ms. Gloria, our attorney from a couple ad spaces ago, because...

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Of course, we don't see pictures, but the way that they described it was... For you to look down and see your baby's vagina stretched open like... A one-year-old? A one-year-old. You never know what you're going to do in those high-time moments, but I know I wouldn't be giddy and happy. I'm not chilling. I'm not chilling. I know I'm going to be in somebody's face. They said, sure, yeah.

She should have took it into her own hands, but to give her the maximum sentence. Right. And not consider getting, you know, getting her daughter's revenge or whatever. Like, not saying that you're supposed to get revenge, but, like, come on now. She wasn't going to let her baby go out like that. So they reduced her sentence to 30 years, so they cut her time in half. On March 29, 2013, she appeals her resentencing. She said that she would like to get sentenced again.

And preferably by a new judge. He also was the one that sentenced everybody. And that's what... I don't know. Obviously, it's legal because we've seen it in a lot of cases. But this kind of reminded me a lot of the Paula Cooper case because everybody was sentenced or put on trial before her. And they got 20 years-ish. And so because she was seen as the ringleader, they're like, gotta make an example out of her. Give her 60 years. And it's always by the same judge. So you don't get that...

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rocketmoney.com slash sisters what is she at 27 years total now because of the reduce because of the reduction 30 years 30 years total because of the reduction so yeah she's like she wants another judge to look at it she got denied for that appeal they said that she went from having a maximum sentence the the sentencing for felony murder is 20 to 60 years so they're like you went from

the max to the lower mid. So we're going to let you sit there for a second. Like you can't have it all right. It was like you're closer to the other defendants who got 20 years, you know, but you got a little extra because you know, you did the most started but she did get denied for that one. And now she's sitting in Illinois County, whatever Springfield, whatever she in prison.

She probably about to see Heather Mack in a minute. Well, located at the Illinois Department of Corrections in Springfield, Illinois. I don't care. They were like, wow, you guys really can't pronounce the French words. It's like, yeah, because they all got a whole different country. That's country mixed with French, mixed with a whole bunch of other, mixed with Creole. Like, we don't, we from Georgia. So, yeah, she's sitting in Illinois Department of Corrections.

Illinois. Illinois. Please, they're going to come for us. Please. So if you're wondering what happened to Laquita's children, as well as

Catherine's children. She had three. Because they're sisters. So Laquita had five. Yes, Catherine had three. So eight children total are now living with, all eight children are now living with Laquita and Catherine's mother in Mississippi. When they were interviewed by the Chicago Tribune on if, you know, the kids have any relationship with their parents or do they get to go visit? The grandmother said, you know, it's getting a little bit harder because the kids are older now. They're understanding why their parents aren't here. They're understanding what happened.

They can just literally Google their mom's name and find the entire court record of what happened. Also, they were like the children, since they've been arrested, they have not seen their parents because grandma got eight kids. She said it's hard. How is she going to travel eight kids from Mississippi to Chicago to see their mother? She said she owed y'all. She was supposed to be done. And now she got eight of them, eight of them, eight of them.

And when they came in, the youngest was one. They was ranging from seven to one, and that's just on the Queeda side. Right, I don't even know how old Catherine's children were. All right, y'all, that is the end of the story. Now it is time for... I'm not black. I'm OG. I ain't do it, but if I did, this is how I would have got away with it. I ain't do it, but if I did, I would not have returned Derek's car bloodied. That was rude. Very rude.

I ain't do it, but if I did, I don't know that I would have drove around with him. Like, if we going to let it be a crime of passion, let it be a crime of crash. You can't think too much. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, beat his ass at the house. I definitely wouldn't let Terrence sodomize him. I don't like that type of get back. I don't think I would have let, I don't think I would have got that many people involved. It's so many people in this damn story.

And then the fact that y'all stopping at the liquor store like, hey, y'all want to get some licks in too? Popping a trunk open, let niggas beat on their ass and then keep driving. That's crazy. But you were talking about this. You talked about this in another case, and we were talking about this last night when we were talking about this case. When you're around and you're hyped around a group of people, people puff up their chest like they trying to be bigger and badder. You get more emboldened. Yeah. Like, yeah.

it's that pack mentality I mean shit you would do in a group you might not do by yourself but you feel like you got that support of your group on your back and you just you just feel a little chest chest more out with the shit you know what I'm saying yeah and I think maybe if she was alone and had addressed this just her it wouldn't have gotten this far like her baby daddy already went picking phones she was like hey bro come be his ass and he was like nah y'all should just go to the cops which is weird

The fact that he never showed up was weird, and she had to get the other baby daddy to come do it. That's a little weird. And the other baby daddy was willing to do it, but you weren't. Is it judgment? Is it good judgment, or is it... I mean, she was 23, and her oldest child was seven, so she's been with that nigga forever. So they probably... I don't know. But I didn't do it, but if I did, I would have...

beat his ass. I definitely, I'm sorry. I think that he definitely deserved to get beat. His ass can still get beat, but I definitely think that they, next step should have been, now we're going to take your ass to the police station. Yes, Alonzo would have been like, yeah, they beat my ass. Yes, your ass would have probably got a couple of battery charges in,

You may have done a little bit of time. Or they might have been more lenient because he didn't end up dead. Because you beat his ass and you brought his ass whooping to the police station. Like, here he is. I've already whooped his ass. And when he goes in there and the other guys ask why he's all bruised up, make sure y'all let him know why. There is how you make sure that you get a small charge, no charge, and you get to see your kids again. Like, it's kind of sad that you did all this because of your childhood.

And then you never get to see that child again. Yeah. It doesn't... Yeah, Alonzo's hurt, and yeah, he's gone, and you enacted revenge on him, but, like, you hurt your child even more now. Yeah. Like, I'm sure they rather, like... I think they would have rather had you home in the end, but at least they know Mama got their back. And Auntie... And I wonder, like, is Grandma, like...

y'all see how y'all siblings, you see how your mama and your auntie are siblings, like, and they, you ride for each other, which is like, you know, friend, I'm not, I'm an only child. And y'all, your sisters, y'all all ride for each other, but y'all also know when to, but y'all also know when to check the other person and be like, we are going to go to jail. Like,

That there is just plain old common sense. We were raised as a pack, but that judgment, that's because everybody don't have that judgment. And sometimes you got to check one system and be like, Hey, too much. Okay. That's, that's kind of the beauty of having siblings and y'all. Yeah. Y'all were raised the same, but y'all all have different personalities. So it, it's kind of like, if you're my, if even like you and I are close friends, obviously, but if you guys didn't know, if you did know, but like,

sometimes when I'm feeling, I'm like, fuck this shit. We're going to do this. And then like, and I'm like, no more, we're not like, think about the high, think about the high school fight. Like,

Tazzy was like, we are not doing this because these are the consequences that will happen because of this. Yes, we are upset. Yes, we want to beat this bitch ass. Yes, everything. But is that the best decision right now? And like at that point, a hype crowd came and people wanted to see a fight. Tazzy was like, no. We have things to think about. You have to look out for future self. I think just like a week before this happened, I had just gotten my full scholarship to college. And Tazzy was like, you just got a full ride to college. You see how like...

We still, you know, made sure that people knew the story. That bitch felt real dumb. Everybody went to the principal's office and got in trouble and all that good stuff. But I didn't... You didn't fuck yourself up in the process. I didn't fuck myself up in the process. And anger can get you there. Because anger would have gotten me there. But you have to be... I don't know. Especially with siblings and people that you're close to. Somebody's got to be a level-headed one. Um...

Parole or no parole? Parole. I think I'm going to have to go ahead and give her some parole for this one. I hope that – I feel like she's actively working towards parole. There's a petition out to – there's a petition out that people can sign that people have signed. I think I looked at it yesterday, and the most latest signature was like two days ago. So people are still signing on her behalf. Yeah.

But, you know, while you're doing that, and even though you feel like you shouldn't be in there, I hope that she's at least taking care, taking advantage of programming, even though like, I don't know if the program is bullshit or not, you know?

It always looks good. They take it into account when you're doing your parole and stuff. And they also asked for the court to take into account that she confessed to the crime. And they were like, she confessed soon thereafter. I mean, it was a little bit later. They keep saying soon thereafter. It wasn't really soon. She had a warrant out and then confessed to the crime, but they didn't have to go find her. And I think that that was the thing. They were like, look, as soon as I came in, I went and told you what happened. All righty. That's our show.

I don't know. Okay, let's not commit to it. All right, here it is, y'all. Your special treat that you get whenever we decide to give it to you. Your own, I didn't do it, but if I did, this is how I would have got away with it. Take it away, folks. I didn't do it, but if I was Laysha Landrum, I would have already had some gloves on and did a one and done with Emily when she came to the door. Rocky answered the door. They knew that she was on her way. They had time to plan. So Laysha should have had some gloves on.

uh did a one and done maybe surprise her from behind go ahead and strangle her and then had rocky go get the car to the back they they were able to get her body down to the dumpster without anyone seeing so they could have got her in a car without anyone seeing and then dumped her off in somewhere random

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