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Okay, I'm going to tell you right now, please, please forgive me for how I pronounce these names. We're in South Africa. We actually are going to give them nicknames because I don't want to just continue to butcher it through the show. First, we have Untampusini Masanini. He is one of the hitmen. We're going to call him Bud. Then we have Arnold Sello, another hitman.

He'll still be Arnold. Then we have Avatakali Netshi Salute. He is the husband slash victim. We're going to call him Takali. Next, we have Matata Seru, the husband's daddy. Takali's daddy.

And lastly, we have Malalo Cevizo, our murderess. Malalo is the daughter of a Lutheran pastor in a village that is inside the providence of Limpopo, which is like

east of South Africa like closer to Zimbabwe in this village in South Africa her father was married to Takalani and the couple were known as like a power couple they were very well known in the neighborhood they were in the village they were well trusted of course he was a pastor and even though it was a struggling area they had one of the nicer houses in the area and

When everybody would describe the family, they said they were very normal. They were devout Christians. They were a pillar in the society. So they were like a pillar of strength for the community. And although they were looked at in high regard, they were still known to be quiet, you know, very keep kept to themselves a lot. But anyways, Malala grew up like any other girl in the village. And she was a lead in their father's church choir and

She was always concentrating on her studies. She was a very smart girl. She was extremely disciplined in everything that she did. And most people said that was because her father was a very strict disciplinarian. So that kind of transferred over to who she was. Him being so strict, like literally a local man that was like the head man and like a chief in the village. He described her father as a man who wanted order in the village, like everything.

that was just the type of person that he was as a pastor in that area. And that was kind of how he ran his house as well. So other people in the village said, you know, that Mulalo, she kind of, you know, was difficult to associate with. She just kept to herself and she would attend church and she'd do her thing. She'd go to church, she'd sing in the choir, she'd help out, but never, nobody ever knew what type of person she was. They said that

Even still, even though they didn't know what type of person she was, she still was well known in the community. And her in particular, somebody said in the village, quote, Mulalo played a big role in the introduction of different sporting codes in the area, urging the youth to stay out of crime. So she was very hands on in her community as well. So soon she fell in love with Takali.

And Takali was a chartered accountant, okay? He was born June 3rd, 1975, and he was extremely smart. He passed his high school exams at flying colors. He's got like degrees on top of degrees on top of degrees. So let me tell you all the degrees that he has. He completed his bachelor's in communications at the University of West Cape in 1995. He got a master's degree from the University of Northwest. He's got an honors degree

It's called a BComp slash CTA. It's from the University of South Africa. He's got an MBA from the University of Durham in the United Kingdom. And the way that he got that degree is because he was doing really good at his job as an accountant. He actually got an award from the Nelson Mandela Foundation that covered his expenses so that he could go to school. And he was just, you know, working hard.

as a credit analyst just working as an accountant, and he's just that good. The couple was married in April of 2006, and they have no children. And due to the fact that he had a very serious job commitment and she was working as well, the couple moved, and they went to Hauteng, which is a providence in South Africa, because it was closer to work. Yeah, so the couple moved to their new place in April of 2006.

Around September, Malalo's husband, Takali, introduced her to an old childhood friend who was Ntambotsini, or Bud as we're going to call him. So he was like, oh yeah, me and Bud grew up together back in the day. I haven't seen him in years, but you know, this is my old friend or whatever, or this guy I used to know. So Bud kept in touch with Takali because they decided they were going to go in on a business deal and Bud was going to help him find a place to open up this new business.

But Bud was also keeping in touch with Mulalo. He says that Mulalo has been texting him ever since trying to get him to kill her husband. He said that she was going to give him 4,000 Rand after he, you know, did the deed and she collected on his life insurance.

On December 7, 2006, Bud and Malalo arranged to meet in a garage close to Zen Spirit, with each of them bringing their own hitman. So they were each supposed to bring somebody to help commit this murder. When Malalo arrived, she was driving her husband's car, and she had two men with her. Later on that day, Bud had an appointment to meet her husband at the same garage.

Takali have requested that Bud take him to look for a place in the squatter camp where he lived in order to open a public phone business. So this is these conversations they started a couple of months ago. So briefly, she meets with them, goes back home to give her husband his car, and she goes shopping with her mother-in-law and her sister-in-law, who's 10 years old. The two had came into town to visit the couple's new home, which they had just moved into. So the ladies, Mulalo, the sister, and the mom-in-law, are

all go out for a day of shopping. They hit the grocery store and then they hit a clothing store. Some time had passed where Malala kind of disappeared, but the mom and the sister kind of just continued going on about their day. Later that day, she gets a phone call from her husband saying that two cars are following him and that he's concerned. They chat for a quick minute and then they get off the phone with one another.

Soon after, Malala starts to get worried about her husband and decides to try and go look for him herself. She also calls the police to tell them her concerns. She's searching for her husband's car in the location that he said he was at when he mentioned that the cars were following him. And then suddenly, in the middle of the street, she sees a car completely engulfed in flames.

She sees the car and she immediately knows it's her husband and yells for firefighters saying that they have to help him. He's stuck in the boot of the car. His car was a VW City Golf. Whoever did it poured petrol or gasoline all over the car and set it alight. His charred body was found after a

plot owner alerted the police that the car was on fire near his home. Malala was obviously upset, but she's talking to the press, blaming the police officers, saying that their inefficiency was the cause of her husband's death. She said, quote, had the police done something, my loving husband would have been alive today. It's like she immediately meant to start blaming somebody else. And that's usually like a

Why are you so quick to point the finger? Right, especially when you had just called the police. You called the police, you went and go searching, and boom, you found it. Yeah. But anyways, I digress. So his funeral happened, of course. And during his funeral, there was a farewell message that was read on behalf of Mulalo. It was read by a family member during his funeral. And in the message, it said, quote,

Takali, they have taken you from me.

but they will never take your love away. I will always miss being in your warm arms because no one will ever replace you in my life. My love for you is so strong. I will never forget the weekend you took me away to different hotels and restaurants, not forgetting the time you took me overseas. God knows why you were taken away from me at such a young age. First of all, she didn't read it herself.

I'm sure God does know why. And then at the funeral, the pastor of the Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa said that Takali's blood will never stop screaming to his killers and the smoke of his flesh will make them not to know peace for the rest of their lives.

It will not take a long time before they are busted because what they have done is barbaric, inhumane, and unacceptable. That's what the pastor said at the funeral. That's very... Powerful words. Schick. Powerful. Right. Right. But a weird thing happened that the police found that happened after the funeral. So Mulalo sent a text message saying,

To her father-in-law. And it's a. No one can really figure out what this message is saying. But part of it reads like. Quote. Part one has passed now. We have to go to part two. The material part. Materials put us Christians into temptations. And do evil things to get materials. Of this world. End quote. That's the text message. That she sent to her father-in-law.

after at you know i don't know they at the burrow site sending text messages the burrow site i wonder i wonder if this is how she really talks or is this is how if this is how it translates i mean they're probably speaking english though yeah they speak english but i think they also speak like africans yeah i don't know it just seems very everybody just seems very dramatic and oh that's why i hated reading this

But yeah, three weeks after the funeral, surprise, surprise, Mulala was arrested. Now, while she was in police custody, she gives a confession. And in it, she writes that Bud had approached her with the idea of killing her husband after. OK, OK, so this is what happened. They met. They met each other through her husband. Right. They started messaging each other, you know, regular, regular shit.

Nothing fancy, nothing crazy. She tells him one day, I don't know what happened, but she tells him that her husband's been cheating on her. And she says that his idea was, well, why don't we kill him and take his money? And she's like, well, he has a lot of money. And he says, well, let's make it happen. And she said that when he said that to her, that she was, quote, shocked and asked him how that would happen.

And he was like, it's all right, honey. Nobody's going to know. So around November of 2006, because that's when this happened, he messaged her and was like, all right, everything's all set up. And then when Mulalo saw her husband leave in his vehicle on December of 2006, on that day that her husband was supposed to leave to go meet them, she says that she got a phone call from her husband saying that two men were following her, following him.

and she was like oh oh no I told him to come back I told him to come home like her confession was just trying to be like they did it and then she said she said when she got the text message from bud she knew that they got him and that's when she called the police went out looking for him found the car obviously they weren't having that and she's arrested and they get ready and

And they start getting ready for trial. So Arnold was one of the men when Malalo and Bud said we need to bring each bring somebody to help pull this off. Arnold was who Malalo brought.

And I don't think Bud brought anybody. He just brought himself. And so Malalo, Arnold, and Bud all pleaded not guilty to murder, kidnapping, and to damage the property. But Bud was singing like the temptations. He said that Malalo promised to pay him 4,000 rand for the job. He never received the money. And when he called her, phone was off.

Hold on. I'll pause you right there, Fred. So, you know, I went to Google because I had to know how much money this was in USD. Because that's all I know. That's all I understand. And do you know how much 4,000 Rand is in USD? No, tell me. My nigga, it is a whopping $261.15. Not even a thousand.

How much is a life worth? Not even half of a thousand. Not even half of a thousand. Not even. How much was it? He hit just over. $261. And really not 15 cents. .149. But you know, we do math and round up. And 15, not even 15 cents. Didn't seem like it was worth to sign up for the job in the first place. Right.

But he said it didn't matter. It was his money. And he wanted it now. I don't care if you owe me $20. He added on that she wanted her husband dead because he had a lot of money. A lot, but she was willing to take 4,000 rand. He said that she said that she would organize three men on her own. But there was never three men. It was always two. Yeah, I don't think she got enough people to sign up for the job. Okay, Malala said that she would organize three men on her own. So...

Did he know that he was included in this count of three? And she fell one short? She fell one short because it was just him and Arnold. So other evidence presented at the trial, the medical examiner confirmed that he died from the burns and suffocation caused by the fire. The autopsy report showed that there was 71% carbon monoxide in his bloodstream.

And so that the carbon monoxide was the cause of his suffocation. Because, you know, your blood gets oxygenated before it goes. That's why we have carbon monoxide detectors in our homes. So also to testify was a social worker who told the Johannesburg High Court that Takali's mother said that Mulala planned to kill him after he had bought her a car and a house.

I mean, they just moved in that house. I mean, then I guess everything was moving according to schedule. Another thing that they questioned her about on the stand was when she arrived to the scene. Now, remember, when she arrives to the scene, she's like, oh, no, that's my husband in the car. That's my husband. How did you know? How did you know that your husband was in the car? How do you know he didn't make it out? You know, how do you know is that? And they were also saying that, like, how do you know it's that car? Because it was like engulfed in flames. Right.

And it was like, you pulled up and was like, it's him. Like, why would you, why are you so sure it's him? If I, even if I think that that's my husband's car, I'm a deny. Right. Where is he? Where is he? Right. It can't. Right. Oh, come on now. So,

There were five witnesses that took the stand to say that there was no way you could even tell what kind of car it was. And you definitely couldn't tell that there was a body inside of it. But Malala was like, listen. But Malala was like, no, I know. I knew immediately when I pulled up, that was my husband's car. I recognized the toe of it. Each of the witnesses also described her as weirdly calm for somebody who had just realized her husband was dead in the boot of the car.

Like, yeah, she screamed for the first responders when she first got there. But they noticed that she was on the phone the whole time afterwards and was trying to take every interview that came her way. Like, oh, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you how these police just let my husband die. And they said, like, not one tear was dropped ever. So after she got arrested, remember, she had that little confession that she gave to the police. Well, she said...

that she was talking to Colonel Primrose. And, but she was like, listen, that confession was coerced. The officer, of course, said, like, this is not true. She willingly waived her right to a lawyer. And she said, no, she was not only coerced, but she was tortured. They beat her. And on top of that, she was like, I don't even know them like that. Talking about Bud and Arnold. Right. She said that she don't even know Bud and Arnold like that. And she ain't never even

met arnold which we ain't either because it's like where is me in this story barely but listen and then she said she didn't even know bud like that either she was like look samia but we're not friends we're not confidants or anything like that i was just spilling my heart out to him and then i told him who was like his friend is really he's supposed to be friend from growing up with um

And he just mentions that he'll just murder him. She was like, it shook me. I didn't know. And then they were on the stand and they were like, listen, your confession was pretty spot on to everything that everybody else has been saying. And your confession was pretty spot on to what we know the facts of the story to be as of right now. Because we've seen confessions. If they confess, you can kind of tell when they're telling the truth. And if you ain't got no proof,

evidence to back up a lie. And she's like, well, you know, I had to make the confession believable because I was being beaten into an answer. I was being coerced. I was being told that I had to give a statement and I was being told exactly what to say. So of course, I just made up a story that was as close to the facts that I knew, the little that I did know.

And that's how the story came to be. That was the confession. But it needs to be thrown out because I didn't even mean it. Like, I recant all of it. And so then the court is like, OK, how? How did the police officers torture you? And then the defense shows pictures of her wrist where there was some bruising on her wrist. And they show it to the court. The prosecutor and the court and they have a doctor come in and they're like, no, no.

That's not really bruising. Right. They're like, that's just from handcuffs, which like also should handcuffs be bruising you though? I feel like hand. I mean, I know that they hurt, but. Oh, well, anyways, they said they brought a doctor in and the doctor was like,

No, that's from handcuffs. That's not from abuse. So the judge, Judge Pandaya, he wasn't having it. And he was like, OK, listen, Colonel Primrose here telling the truth. And Mulalo, listen here, you're a smart girl. So it is very reasonable for me to assume that you, a well-educated and talented young lady, would understand the consequences that come with not remaining silent.

And that you waive those by speaking. Sometimes, though, sometimes you really do feel pressured and you know what you're supposed to do or you know what you want to do, but you feel like you don't have another choice. Like niggas know how to flex their authority and make you feel uncomfortable.

yeah but here's the thing she didn't ask for a lawyer till afterwards and immediately afterwards she calls her father-in-law to organize her lawyer team for trial but it doesn't mean she still couldn't have felt intimidated in the moment i mean yes she could have but like i just always think you should just shut the fuck up for sure for sure for sure and i

And granted, I haven't been in that situation, but just shut the fuck up. Shut down. Shut it down. You know, they're like trained and they'll read your ass and they'll be like, you know, I might can help you out, but you're going to have to work with me. Just so you know, you confessing to some shit and they ain't doing shit for you. It's all a part of the game. Oh, man.

Exactly. So next to come on the stand, they have a forensic crimeologist, Dr. Eon, and he takes a scan and he kind of has Mulalo's back. All right. So he describes Mulalo as a gentle soul. And at this point, the prosecution has been tearing her to shreds. OK, they've been calling her everything but a child of God. And they've been like, she's a violent, vindictive assassin. So, you know, Dr. Eon kind of goes up and tries to I guess he's brought up by the defense.

But the state prosecutor disputed all of this. And she was like, listen, she lays out photos of Takali's charred body from the boot of that car to the court. And it's like, does this seem like a gentle soul? Does this does this seem like a nurturing and kind spirit?

she stands in front of him and was like does this seem like a a kind thing to do he was like nah it's just like okay and then he also says mulalo might have had some mental illnesses that would have caused her to do this or or know about it and basically trying to bring in the fact that mental illness might be at play right and then literally in the middle of him speaking the judge like

cuts him off it was like so are you suggesting me suggesting to me that she did not know what she was doing and dr ian is like yeah i'm suggesting that maybe she didn't know what she was doing but here's the thing

Dr. Eon is not a qualified mental health specialist so the court was like who are you to make this assumption or speak on it in the court or to speak on it in court because you know those like the medical examiners and people that have like experience even the cell phone uh specialists they have to sit there and not only testify but they also have to list their credentials

before they start testifying she said you might have took a psychology course but that does not make you a psychiatrist a psychologist you can't speak on this and you can be you can be a doctor or you won't but if you ain't a doctor what we talking about it don't matter it

The prosecution continues to build their case against her. They put Takali's little sister on the stand. And Takali's little sister is like, yeah, me and my mom went to go visit and see my brother's new house and, you know, spend the day with his wife. And first we went and got groceries. And then we went to Edgar's and went to the clothing store. And she left with the bags. And she was gone for about two hours.

She came back with no bags. I found it very suspicious. It definitely stood out in my head that day. This. And just to like disappear for two hours. And so that, according to the prosecution, those two hours she disappeared is when she went to go meet Bud before the murder went down. Mm hmm.

So then the prosecution decides we're going to really nail this nail in the coffin with her phone records. It's always on the phone, you guys. First, there were text messages between Mulalo and Bud on the day of her husband's murder. The state's like, boom. They know each other enough to be having a conversation and having each other's phone number. And you just so happen to be texting him the day of the murder? I think not. Then they're like,

Now you texting your father-in-law all suspicious the evening of the funeral, talking about materials and temptation. What materials? What are you tempted by? I'd like to know too, honestly, because money is a material thing that like is a very flesh thing. If we're trying to, if you're being churchy about it, you know,

So is that, is it because you killed for money? And she was talking about evil things. That's what it sounds like to me. Money is the root of all evil. Money is the root, I mean, that's what it sounds like to me. The prosecution is basically saying, listen, Malala may not have been there when her husband was murdered, but she was definitely very aware of what was going on. And it's clear through these messages that she's been sending out to all these men.

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And here's another thing. So Mulalo also said, okay, she said that the last time that she spoke to her husband was when she called and he said that he, well, when he called and said that he was being followed by two cars, but that was from her cell phone. But the home phone record shows that there was like a 38 second phone conversation from Mulalo's house phone to her husband's cell phone.

Okay. And then, but that was like 10 minutes after the, somebody's following me phone call. But Mulalo, of course, is on the stand and she's like, of course I called him, but I didn't speak to him. His phone rang and it went to voicemail.

Simple solution, right? Well, the state was like, actually, no. They had a cell phone record expert get up on the stand and testify and say that there had to be a conversation because if it had gone to voicemail, there would not have been a call duration reflected, which is very good to fucking know.

That's not something I would think about right off the bat. Now, here's the part that gets me. Doesn't the phone also pick up when it hits voicemail? Like, think about it. Your phone will ring and it'll say calling. And when they pick up, it starts to count. But it also starts to count when you go to voicemail. So I wonder if they're able to tell you. But I think voicemail will just. But I think the counting is the counting of the voicemail, not of the. And there would have to have been a voicemail left.

I don't know. We'd have to ask another, get a second opinion. Oh, also they go to the fact that on the day of the murder, Mulalo texts daddy-in-law. Like she keeps texting daddy-in-law, but on the day of the murder, she texts daddy-in-law, quote, I trust you. But the question is, do you trust me? Sometimes I feel like you are my real father. You are everything to me. Hmm.

Girl, then of course the text at the funeral, but the worldly things that one text. So listen, the judge was like, listen, I and the state, they said, this is basically a confession of guilt. Like read the text messages, read between the lines. We think this is a confession of guilt. And she's like, no, I was expecting my father-in-law to read between the lines. We know there's, there's no evil, evil things that I'm doing. There's nothing bad that I'm doing. And,

Yeah. I think it's weird that a judge can just be like, actually, this is what you meant. But I guess it's his job to judge. It seems like this judge was just giving his opinions throughout the entire proceedings because he cut off Dr. So-and-so. You know, not our country, not our rules. Yeah.

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free money free money is out there just go get it by starting your podcast today maro papa christopher said that malalo hired and conspired to kill her husband she confessed in many ways because she was overwhelmed with guilt and needed to unload she said

Why did she send Matata a cryptic message in a religious statement? Who are these questions who are so willingly tempted to do evil things? She went on to... Money. She had the same questions I did. The prosecutor went on to say that everything that was shown in court was confirmed by Malala's co-accused. And she went back to Bud's statement, which said that...

She wanted her husband dead so that she could inherit all his belongings and she wanted to own it all alone. During this two and a half year trial, which crazy, what are we doing for two and a half years? The prosecutor also described Malala as a bitter person who tried by all means to frustrate the court proceedings and discredit anyone who tried to incriminate her.

But really, oh, but yeah, isn't that how you defend yourself by discrediting the people saying the bad things about you? Mm-hmm. She tugged at the courtroom's heartstrings by saying that Malala's greatest victim was her mother-in-law because she had to spend two full weeks on the witness stand being cross-examined about her son's finances.

I'm not going to lie. This prosecutor, the state prosecutor, she was vicious. I mean, don't you have to be? I'm not... Yeah, they are, and they nasty, but, like, she was vicious. She came for everybody. The Mulalo team could not stand. She said...

She said, referring to the mother-in-law, there's not a day that goes by that she does not think of the brutal manner in which her son was killed. The three accused were all convicted on December 7, 2010, the fifth anniversary of the murder. That trial took forever. It was a two-and-a-half-year trial. Isn't that crazy? But I guess if it'd taken one person two weeks, two-and-a-half weeks to do their testimony, and they had a whole lot of witnesses involved.

They had a whole lot of people speaking. And you killed that nigga and was going to pay somebody $200 and... What did I say? $260 something? I wonder if that's normal for the child to take that long there. I don't know. Somebody let us know. So now we have to get, of course, into sentencing. Now, the pre-sentencing arguments for...

that was found guilty, which was everybody. They were postponed to January 24th, so 2011, by the High Court of Johannesburg. February 28th, 2011, Malala was sentenced to a life sentence plus eight years for hiring the hitmen to kill her husband. She was 33 at the time and her

The crowd, like, they were really happy that she was found guilty. They were, they didn't show any remorse. They didn't show any sympathy. They were, like, shouting to her, Mulalo, go well, go well. You deserve to be in jail. I thought she was going to say go to hell. Nope. Go well, go well. You deserve to be in jail. That's what they was shouting at her.

In the courtroom. After her guilty verdict. Yeah, that's crazy that everybody against you like that. Yeah, that's a hard place to be. But like when her family gave her hugs before she was carted away, she was kind of still just still. She didn't really cry. She just kind of stood there almost like unfazed. Of course, she maintains that she's absolutely innocent, but she kind of really didn't show any remorse. She didn't seem like she was sad.

Now, they interviewed the father-in-law. Of course, he said that he welcomes the sentence. So I guess that means that he accepts the sentence. He likes that it has the father-in-law, even though I guess nobody has questions for him. Mother-in-law, she says that she accepts the sentence. But of course, it's going to be very hard for her because she's

It's her son, you know. The judge described the murder as absolutely brutal. He said, quote, the murder was committed in a brutal manner. He was burnt alive. Petroleum was poured over his car and he was cremated alive. Mulala was the mastermind of this crime. Because, end quote. It's also interesting because there wasn't any other, he was burned alive. He wasn't any other, like it wasn't blunt force trauma.

And then tried to get rid of the body. Interesting, like, fucking choice. Like, why would you do that? I would never want to be burned alive. Like, please shoot me. Oh, my gosh. Please. And don't miss. You better just execution me. One shot, be done. Don't make me suffer, please. Okay. We're at the appeal? Or you got more to say? The other two, Bud and Arnold, they were given life sentences for their role in the murder.

And Arnold was also given like another 15 years because of a robbery. So he got extra time. He got more time than everybody else. Everybody had life. Well, she had life plus eight. He had life plus 15. Damn. Nigga can't catch a break. And Bud had life plus five. But initially it was hard for the people in the community to believe that she had a part in her husband's murder because she

she grew up, she's the pastor's daughter. You know, there was one girl that was interviewed. She was 17 years old at the time. And she said, quote, we are ashamed because she represents our church negatively. Now people will no longer be interested in our activities. Like some people were shocked. There was a teacher that was like, if 20 years ago when that child was in my class and somebody asked me to choose one of the little girls that would commit a crime like that,

she would have never even been my choice. Like she just, you know, it's never the ones you're suspecting. I mean, it's, it's sometimes the ones you're expecting, but sometimes it's the ones who you didn't ever imagine. But some people, you know, they weren't having it for her and they were like, listen, she liked to look down on everybody. She's kind of an uncaring person, kind of just stays to herself. Don't nobody really know her. So what's the point? And then she,

One time a neighbor said, it was like, oh, you know, sometimes she seems lonely. I don't know. I see her walking by herself. But one of my favorite quotes was this lady. She's 40 years old. She said, listen, that is the daughter of the pastor killing her husband. It is embarrassing. I guess that just gives you a sense of like the community there and like that's tight knit. And that's not, that's a hard, you did the big M. Yeah.

Like dishonor, dishonor on your whole family. It's bad. Dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow.

It's all on your whole family. Following the sentence, of course, Malala filed for an appeal. She was like, listen, I told you they tortured me. My confession should have never been admitted. And then without the confession, everything falls apart. So y'all need to figure something out. And it was like, no, girl, you confessed. Nobody tortured you. You did it. And you deserve everything that you got. So...

Her appeal was denied and she's still in jail doing life in prison and in some. I have no updates about where she's at now in life. Her name was circling in some articles early 2021 and it was still talking about this appeal. So I don't know if she refiled for an appeal and got denied again, but they're not letting her out. And that's on that. All right, y'all. It is time for...

Well, I'm not black. I'm OG. I ain't do it. But if I did, this is how I would have got away with it. I ain't do it. But if I did, I would have paid the person who I owed for the crime. I would have paid my debt. I ain't do it. But if I did, were they even married long enough for this to even happen? Did she come in with these intentions? Like,

They hadn't even married a whole year. And the ink ain't even dry on the marriage certificate. Like give it some time. If he was wealthy, then what could he have been? You just talk about, you took him so young. Why Lord? Why did you take him so young? You don't even have a retirement plan in place. It's just, there's no, there's no forethought to this. It's just like, ah, get him out of here. And then they say it was because he was cheating and,

It's giving low budget murder for hire. And it worked out like low budget things tend to. Shitty. I don't know if I didn't do it, but if I did, I don't know. I ain't do it. But if I did, I just I feel like I don't know how again, I don't know these laws in South Africa, but can't you divorce and get some money? Are women left with nothing in the fin for themselves? They probably can't even get divorced because they were super devout Christians. Huh? Yeah, that's hard. I don't know.

It was all wrong. It was all wrong. How are you with his family the day that you said this? I get trying to have a nice alibi. This is not the first time, though. This is not the first time that we have had a story where somebody was with a family of the person that they murdered the day that they murdered them. I guess they try to have a strong alibi, but it's just like, how low can you go? The smile on your face.

All the time, want to take your place, the backstabbers. Backstabbers. Yes. I ain't do it, but if I did, I wouldn't be texting my exes anything. Everybody in their mama. I don't understand what's going on with the father-in-law, but I'm going to leave that though. Maybe. Okay, so the father-in-law is...

this very well-respected journalist um he and and uh civil rights activists out in south africa right um so he's got a lot of respect on his name out there and so maybe she was just kissing his ass because he'd be a nice person to have on her side yeah and maybe she's just you know who she kind of reminds me of you ever seen chewing gum tracy's sister

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I feel like she tried it. I feel like she tried it too much. But like, I always feel like the ones that made the plan, like there's, there could be a chance, but I don't know. It's always the, how you did, how you went about it that makes it so wrong, you know? So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

the hanging out with his family the the whole letter at the funeral all the text messages you just palette you add an insult to injury at this point and i really well i don't really like her and i'm gonna say you have to stay in jail and it was just sloppy it was yeah sorry girl and away you go okay so um thank you everybody that has been doing us little star reviews on spotify

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