Bonus Episode – Concert Tragedies, Concussions, and Brian Wilson
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Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject, our part two episode on The Who. We are previewing the coming Nipsey Hussle Rewind episode.

as well as the Bruce Springsteen murder myth madness that's coming your way in the Disgraceland feed next week. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it.

All right, my friends, I am here in the microphone. It's June 18th. It's Paul McCartney's birthday. Paul has gone from at times being my favorite Beatle to my least favorite Beatle, back again to my favorite Beatle.

His album Ram, huge part of mine and my wife's relationship. It was one of those seminal albums during our first few years together. I'm not sure why. That kind of thing just happens when you're falling in love. You know what I mean? You both get sucked into certain records and then they become symbolic of your time together.

When my wife turned 30, actually, I've mentioned this before, but it's worth mentioning again. I hired my friend Corin to put a band together and perform Ram, the whole album, start to finish for my wife and our friends and our family at her birthday party. It was amazing. Corin and those guys killed it.

Anyways, I love Paul. Who doesn't love Paul? I'll always love Paul, despite his ranking on my favorite Beatles at that moment. But if you want to hear more about the time that Paul McCartney spent in jail in Japan in 1980 inside a Japanese prison...

and how we survived the violent Yakuza gangs. We have an episode for that. All right, Matt will pull the show notes together for you. It's worth listening to. Just a crazy story. No one thinks about that when they think about Paul McCartney. They don't think that he actually spent time in a Japanese prison. Just wild. So by now, you know that after Sly Stone died last week, Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys died.

Right around the same age. I think Brian was 82 as well. I think they were both 82 years old. I love Brian Wilson. Clearly a lot of you guys love Brian Wilson as well. Love him. I poked fun at Brian on Instagram saying that quote, Charles Manson's friend's brother died. And a lot of you did not like that. So I'm sorry. I didn't mean to piss anybody off.

Too soon. I get it. I think it's one of those things that if I said it here in the after party, you guys totally would have got it. But on Instagram, it pissed a lot of people off. And I took it down. I took it down because...

I don't want to rain on anyone's sadness. I get it. I totally get it. And Brian's music means a lot to people. And that particular joke was ill-timed. However, I am Irish. I am Catholic. I am from New England and I am Gen X. And I think all those things add up to me having a pretty dark sense of humor when it comes to death, which is...

Why, after deleting that Manson post, I later posted that my second favorite Beach Boy died. And that, of course, prompted the question, who is my favorite Beach Boy? And I will take that secret to my grave. Thank you very much. I'm just kidding. I'll tell you who it is. It's John Stamos. No, it's not. Anyways, I will tell you this. Right around that time when these posts were going up,

This isn't an excuse because it actually happened after, but I did suffer a concussion last week. I was away with my family when the Brian Wilson news broke. And I was the victim of a savage Lazy River water park wave that totally upended me, smashed the back of my head into the cement ground. I'm okay, aside from my overappreciation of John Stamos. However, all this bullshitting aside, I clearly love Brian Wilson's music.

And I said a version of this on various social platforms in the past few days, but like Sly Stone, Brian Wilson was obviously a giant. And I don't throw that word around. He was a giant guy.

in rock and roll history and also a genius. And I don't throw that word around either. They were both giants. They were both geniuses. I'm supposed to begin research next week, actually on Monday on Buddy Holly. Finally going to dig into the day the music died story here. That's been requested from the beginning. And I finally found a way to tell it. I think that's different from how it's been told in the past.

But I'm actually thinking of punting on that and telling a Brian Wilson story instead, a tight 30 minute Brian Wilson episode. We here at Double Elvis produced a full season of Brian Wilson for our Blood on the Track series, but I didn't write that. I didn't voice it.

So I'm asking you, I mean, right now I'm kind of, I'm leaning towards punting on Buddy and digging into a Brian Wilson episode, but I want to hear from you guys. 617-906-6638. Which would you rather hear? Would you rather hear, and this is coming up to quick too. This'll be, it's a quick production turnaround. So this will be out in the next like four or five weeks, something like that. Buddy Holly or Brian Wilson. I'm going to do both eventually, but who would you want to hear first?

All right, so we dropped our episode, our part two episode on The Who this week, the Riverfront Coliseum tragedy where 11 fans were crushed to death just trying to get into a rock show. Brutal and preventable, all right? It was rock and roll in 1980, you know, pretty indifferent, pretty deadly. And in the research, in the production of this episode, somehow...

I completely missed another live music tragedy that happened just a few months ago that makes the Riverfront Coliseum Who debacle look like a twisted warm-up act. I'm talking about what went down at the Jet Set nightclub in Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic just a couple months ago, April 8th, 2025. A full-blown building collapsed during a merengue concert, killed over 200 people,

236 people to be exact. The second story of this building just gave out. Okay. This wasn't a huge crowd surge like in the who episode. It's just, I don't, I don't know. Just the roof just came down on the crowd. It's crazy.

And yeah, there was a live band playing when it happened as well. And the venue was packed for a party that night. Live merengue, huge crowd, lots of families. According to the early reports, there were cracks in the structure. There were complaints that had been filed. This wasn't like an act of God. This was just neglect.

Jet Set apparently was a legendary club in this city, but obviously the owners weren't taking care of this, or at least that's the word. Okay, when it collapsed, dozens were trapped under steel and concrete. It's bad. The details are gory. The details are horrible. Survivors are described having to crawl over bodies to get out, dead bodies, of course. It's just awful. And I didn't hear about this. I don't know how I didn't hear about it. I'm pretty tuned in.

I get notifications from Pitchfork, from Billboard, from Rolling Stone. And I don't know how I missed this. Something to be said about, you know, which stories get to us, which stories get remembered, which get buried, literally. Sad stuff.

All right. What else is going on in the world of music and true crime? Lots going on in the Diddy trial this week, but I'm going to get to that a little bit later in this episode. This week, our rewind episode is on Nipsey Hussle, an artist whose story is, as you know, as inspiring as it is heartbreaking. That episode's coming up next right after this bonus episode. Speaking of dark stories, have you seen the trailer for the new Bruce Springsteen biopic? It just dropped and it's got people talking. I

I don't love it. I'm getting my thoughts together on it. I'll talk more about it in the future. But this is perfect timing for us to bring back one of our classic Disgraceland episodes on Bruce Springsteen. Back by popular demand, and that's dropping on Tuesday, okay?

And no, the Springsteen episode is not the Springsteen story that you think you're going to get if you haven't heard this. It's not about the E Street Band and their drama. It's not about blue collar anthems. It is about murder and true crime, specifically the Charlie Stark where they're killings, the inspiration behind Springsteen's haunting record, Nebraska. And this is the exact period that the film Deliver Me From Nowhere deals with. I guarantee you our story is vastly different from the story that you're going to see on the big screen.

Those murders, by the way, those Starkweather murders, they happened in June. It's in part why we're bringing this episode back right now. True crime, music mythology, and a young couple on a killing spree. This episode of Disgraceland has got all the ingredients you need, all right? So when you're listening to this Springsteen episode, be thinking about songs about murder, okay? There are a lot of them, from Johnny Cash to Eminem to

Bob Dylan, the ghetto boys. There's so many. Okay. I want to know which songwriter do you think told a true crime story best in song? All right. Call me or text me 6 1 7 9 0 6 6 6 3 8 with your answer. This is going to be the question of the week next week, or DM me at disgrace land pod on the socials. I might play your message or read your reply in next week's after party. All right. I got Atlantic city stuck in my head now.

And I can hear my son in the background. I'm going to go tell him to be quiet. I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, your texts, and your answers to last week's question of the week.

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Hey, Discos, if you want more Disgraceland, be sure to listen every Thursday to our weekly after-party bonus episode, where we dig deeper into the stories we tell in our full weekly episodes. In these after-party bonus episodes, we dive into your voicemails and texts, emails, and DMs,

and discuss your thoughts on the wild lives and behavior of the artists and entertainers that we're all obsessed with. So leave me a message at 617-906-6638, disgracelandpod at gmail.com or at disgracelandpod on the socials and join the conversation every Thursday in our after party bonus episode. For decades, he was untouchable. A mogul, a visionary, a king of hip hop. Sean Diddy Combs built an empire from the ground up.

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All right, we are back. Apple Podcast listeners, make sure you get those auto downloads turned on so you do not miss any episodes of Disgraceland, all right? Psyched to be here. Psyched to be here in the phone booth. I'm in the phone booth. You know, it's the one over across the hall. That one there. Yes. Okay. 617-906-6638. That's how you get in touch with me. Call me, leave me a voicemail, send me a text, answer the question of the week from the last episode on The Who, part two.

Question was, was the Riverfront Coliseum the greatest tragedy in rock and roll history? If not, what was? Let's check out what the 270 has to say. Jake, 270 Todd, actually calling from the Nashville area. Worst tragedy in music history? I will go with the Eagles of Death Metal on stage in Paris.

And unbelievably, that was – excuse me, that was 2015. I just listened to a podcast with Josh Homme talking about that very thing. Crazy. That was a decade ago. I guess I'll go with that.

But yeah, a lot of terrible things, including the who at riverfront back in the day, I actually lived at that time. I was a kid, uh, just a little bit South of Cincinnati. Terrible thing. Todd, great call. And yes, uh, what an answer. What a horrible, horrible event. Something I I'd like to, I've, I've long wanted to cover in disgrace land, but it's, uh,

I don't know, man. It feels like it's too soon. It just feels too raw. It feels too real. It feels too fucking scary, to be perfectly honest. Of course, too soon. This is coming from the guy who had that Brian Wilson comment last week. I don't know. Maybe I can get to it now. We'll see. Horrific, horrific event. Absolutely tragic. And I feel like your answer is...

is weighted even more heavily because you're from the Cincinnati area. So thank you for the call, Todd. Appreciate that. Let's go to Ben in the 803. What's Ben talk? Ben's talking about obsession. And this is in reference to our recent episode on Bjork. Hey, Jake. This is Ben from the 803 once again. Got to do a little cross-reference here since we're talking about obsession. In the Hollywoodland Rat Party, you mentioned that your son was now beginning to chase that bass tone.

And like yourself as a guy who used to make my living with six strings, you know it's an ever-ending obsession. Every time you think you just about have that tone, something's not quite there. It's like a dragon you're chasing and you're just about to grab it by the tail and it moves slightly and you're off on an entirely different tone obsession. Having said that, we're talking about obsessive songs. How about a trio of obsessive songs?

The first of which was kind of creepy because it was about his best friend's wife. Three of my favorite Eric Clapton songs are all about the same woman. One is Patty Boyd Harrison Clapton.

He, of course, famously wrote Layla about his best friend's wife and his longing for her. Later down the line, he finally gets the girl, and with the desire to just write a ballad in mind, he writes Wonderful Tonight about an evening with said woman. Then later on down the line on the Journeyman album after their

Time has come to an end. They've gone their separate ways. He wrote the lovely Old Love, which is a great blues that he performs with Robert Cray on the album.

Wrote that about longing for missing his love. Why miss Patty Boyd, Harrison Clapton? Very good, Jake. I don't know if that's qualified as creepy obsession or not, but there you go. Rock and roll. Clapton's obsession, Ben, with George Harrison's wife, with Patty Boyd, well documented in music history, yes.

There's been creepier recommendations, but you're onto something here because this thing never sat right with me. And part of it is like coveting your best friend's wife. It's just, it's, it's very sleazy. I don't like it. No one likes it. And, and Clapton has this, I don't know what it is. It's those seventies years during when this obsession was at its height and

And he was using heroin. He has this bleakness to him, this darkness that I find incredibly off-putting, not just musically, but personally. I know I'm in the minority here. The Clapton stuff I like, but

is later. It's later than Layla. It's kind of like 80s. I know that sounds awful, right? Like the color of money clapped in. Like the shit that was on MTV when I was a kid that I didn't like then, I kind of like that now. Because you can feel him coming out of that cloud he was in. And you hit it, like Wonderful Tonight is probably the beginning of that. Yeah, just totally, totally obsessed. Completely obsessed. Yeah.

I talked about that in the Derek and the Dominoes episode a little bit. I don't nearly get into it as much as you did here. So I appreciate that and giving the opportunity to unpack it a little bit here, Ben. Thank you for the call. You know, there's this ongoing conversation we're having about should I or should I not do a couple of episodes on some hair metal bands. Here's a 646. Hey Jake, this is Karen in the 646.

Again, I'm really late responding to the hair band call for votes, and I don't like hair metal myself, but I think I'd have to go with Poison. They fucking suck, but they're also just so bad that I really kind of want to hear that episode. I'd probably hate listen and laugh my ass off. So, yeah, Poison. Thanks, man.

Robin Waller.

I feel like Poison, A, highly comical. B, C.C. DeVille, like I talked about before, he was along for the ride, but he has this sense of humor that I think is fun and we can play with. And I do think Poison's songs...

I do think as weird take, but if they were recorded by another band with a different production, they could actually be great songs. Some of them, of course, I don't, I don't know much beyond the singles, but I like this idea. We'll see. I'm coming around to it. Thank you, Karen. Okay. I got to clean something up. I heard, I got a text from a DM actually from my friend, Gavin van Vlack from the great New York hardcore band burn. Um,

Um, he's been in a ton of bands, but that's the one he's most, most known for. Great guy, known him for years. And he pointed out that I made a mistake in a recent after party episode where I believe, I believe it was in the context of talking about Sick of It All. I incorrectly stated that Sick of It All was on the hardcore compilation Where the Wild Things Are.

Which is wrong. They're not on that compilation. And I think I even took it a step further and I said that that comp came out on Revelation Records. It did not. It came out on Blackout Records. And the Revelation one came out prior and that one was called The Way It Is. And I know all this and I can't believe I fucked it up.

It happens. I apologize. Thanks for the DM, Gavin. Appreciate you. At DisgracelandPod, any of you guys want to hit me up on DMs, STP on Instagram, hit me up, said, hey man, where'd you get those threads? In reference to, you know, a little patio where I was rocking in one of my stories. And the answer, STP, is Dandy Del Mar. That's the name of the brand. Great brand. Go to dandydelmar.com. Not a sponsorship.

This is unpaid. Just answering the questions, man. dandydelmar.com. You'll look like you're hanging out at Frank Sinatra's Palm Springs home out there in the desert where all the bad things happened. Okay. 617-906-6638. A lot of people writing in about the Astroworld tragedy and how that is worse than the Riverfront Coliseum tragedy. Tough to compare them, but they're both awful.

A lot of people like Jesse in the 619. Hey, You Gotta Be by Desiree is the song you were humming, Jake. That's it. Thank you for all your stories you put together. Last week, I had an earworm. I couldn't figure it out on the old after party here. And I just, I don't know, something came over me. Again, back to my friend Gavin. He said, you started scatting that song. He's right. I was scatting Desiree.

651 writes in, hey, love the rap party. I appreciate what you're putting out there. As far as John the Legend Belushi and my exposure to his awesomeness, it was definitely Animal House. I'm not going to finish this, okay? Because this is a great text. I'm just going to use it to point out the fact that there's another whole bonus episode we got going on called the Rap Party in the Hollywoodland feed. It's not just me. It's me and my guy, Zeth. Head on over there. Check that out. Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland.

808 writes in, hey, for the question of the week, which would also make an interesting episode is that of Dave Navarro and what happened to his mom. Won't go into the details as I figured you'd deliver it better than I to those who don't know the story. Well, 808, listen, I did go into the details. We have a whole episode on Jane's Addiction. It's basically a Dave Navarro episode that is in our archive. Get on it, 808. It's there. It's waiting for you.

Listen to it. Get back to me. Let me know what you think. 617-906-6638. You guys want to send me a voicemail, want to send me a text about anything at all. I am here. I am waiting. I got you. I'm also available at DisgracelandPod on Instagram, Facebook, and X. You want to chat with me over there. Listen, okay, Matt, cue up the buzzer beater. Sports rant time. This is the Disgraceland Sports Minute in under 30 seconds, okay? I know that doesn't make sense, but just give me a little buzzer. Listen,

I believe it was last week, just last week. I said, trade Rafi Devers. Didn't I say that? I said that. And look what happened. They fucking traded him. It's amazing. I love this. I'm like the only guy I'm on an Island. I love that they traded him. Even the people that didn't like his attitude and wanted him gone. They're kind of couching that, that, that attitude. They're, they're couching their take.

And they're saying, well, the Red Sox, you know, they should have got more. They should have got more back in. Yeah, okay, maybe. Maybe they should have got more. They got like a bag of balls, basically. But this guy was, as a player, as a teammate, not a person, was rotten, okay? Of course, now that he's gone, there's more coming out because the team wants to justify their decision. But you could tell. I lived through Carl Everett, okay? I know bad ball players who fuck up team chemistry on the Red Sox when I see it. And this guy was no damn good for 10 years. For 10 years.

Now, if we had the guy for two years, three years, four years, five, I could even six, ten. No freaking way. See ya. Now, they're one and one since we let him go. We'll see what happens. But I got a feeling the Sox are going to be in a much better shape. You hear that? My dog just barked in agreement. All right, Matt. We're back after this. Shit.

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Nick Nightingale. Great, great grab. You just had that? You just had that in your head? It's Todd Fields, the director. Yeah, that's my point. Todd Fields, the guy who made Tar, the incredible, incredible movie from the last couple of years. Forget about it. Yeah. Just amazing. So yeah. He also made In the Bedroom, which as a Mainer is probably one of, if not the most credible main movie as far as people.

people and the way they talk and whatever. So anyway, just for what it's worth. Yeah. Oh man. I want to be a Mainer. I want to be a Mainer so bad. You don't even know. I'm going to go watch it. All right. That is the wrap party from Hollywood land. That is in the

Hollywoodland feed. You got to subscribe over there. All right. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. You want to hit me up on an email. Frank Berry writes in, show request. Jake, do you think there's enough information out there to do a show about Sunset Strip in Hollywood from the 1980s? Yeah, I do, Frank. And specifically just on the Sunset Strip, I don't know. Maybe we'll get into a bunch of it in the Poison episode. We've got a Nikki Sixx episode coming up in a couple weeks here as well.

gets heavily into the Sunset Strip vibes. But I'd like to do it through the point of view of an artist. And we've already done that and we'll continue to do it in the future. But if you have another take more specific to Sunset Strip, hit me up, get back at me and let me know. Over on Apple Podcasts, Chris R01880 writes, I will preface this review on why I dislike podcasts in general.

Most podcasts lack focus, tend to be long and self-indulgent, and there is a need to be self-edited. The production quality is generally poor and not researched well. So why do I give Disgraceland five stars? From Jake's painstaking research, his ability to focus on the story of the week in a conscientious manner that leaves you wanting more.

He cares more about creating content for his audience than his own ears. Speaking of ears, the production quality is without peer in the podcasting universe. If you think you knew the story, time has a way of revealing the rest of it. And Jake is the one to deliver it. Truly entertaining and informative. Chris, thank you so much. Get in touch, Chris. I'd like to get you something special in the mail. And if any of you guys want to leave a review over on Apple podcasts or on Spotify, get hooked up with something special. Be my guest.

Some clown whose name I shall not repeat writes over on Spotify, he's just re-uploading old episodes. And I take offense to that, whoever you are, whose name I won't mention. I've already forgot about you, by the way. But I bring this up because...

It's bullshit. We do at least one, sometimes two, sometimes three new episodes a week. And we resurface our archive episodes because people need to know what's in the archive. We have over 230 plus episodes. Is it so wrong to repurpose them? Do you get mad at your favorite television show when they show a rerun? Does that happen anymore? I don't know. Probably not. But you know what I'm saying.

More is better than not at all. That's my thinking. It's there for you. And as I just demonstrated from this message, someone recommending a Dave Navarro episode when we have one already. You know what I'm saying? There's a reason for it, okay? Don't be a hater. I mean, be a hater if you want. I don't care. I don't think about you.

LNGP over on Spotify writes, very beautifully done. Amy means so much to me. Thank you very much. And that was in reference to the Amy Winehouse episode that we rewound last week, last Friday. Check that out if you have not heard it or you just want to rerun it. Rewind it. Rewind it with us. Go for it. Nothing wrong with that. Speaking of winding, we are winding down here. Going to get out of here. Unless you're an All Access member, you're an All Access member, five bucks a month, you get a little bit more of this bonus episode. I'm about to get into something heavy, something big.

to our all-access peeps in just a moment. If you want to be an all-access member, disgracelandpod.com slash membership, five bucks a month. You get a little bit extra of the bonus episode. You get one new fully scripted sound design exclusive episode per month, and you get it all ad-free. All right, we are back. We name-checked, oh God, a lot of artists. A lot of artists. Paul McCartney, Dave Navarro,

Couple others I can't remember, but Matt will have the archive artist that we've mentioned. He'll have that information for you in the show notes. If you're interested in listening to those episodes, you can do so quite easily. I got to get out of here. Thank you guys for hanging out. Appreciate you. Let's recap real quick. All right. Right now in your disgrace and feed, we've got a part two episode on the who and the tragedy at Riverfront Coliseum. Number two coming next, our rewind episode on Nipsey Hussle.

Next Tuesday, we're bringing back our Bruce Springsteen episode, diving into the blood-soaked ballads of Nebraska, just as this trailer on Deliver Me From Nowhere launches. Four over in the Hollywoodland feed. Right now, we got our full episode on Bruce Lee. And every Wednesday, we're releasing our Rap Party episode, so don't sleep on those. Number five, in the exclusive members section of this week's bonus episode, we talked about an amazing music documentary and an incredible project

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a disgrace. All right. On December 3rd, 1979, you guys know this, 11 fans were killed at a Who concert in Cincinnati. A tragedy shaped the band, unfortunately, changed live music forever. Here's what the country was listening to that week according to the Billboard Hot 100. Number one, Babe, Stix. Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, ten.

Number two. No more tears. Enough is enough. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, eight. Number three. Still by the Commodores. Last week, three. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 11. Number four.

Please Don't Go, KC and the Sunshine Band. Last week, 4. Peak Position, 4. Weeks on Chart, 16. Number 5, Escape, the Pina Colada song. Rupert Holmes. Last week, 6. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it!